if cogovernance is nothing to be feared, then why cant we have an open debate on it and why is anyone who criticises it attacked as a racist?

@tomhoro6468

Жыл бұрын

They got to be voted in l can just see that happening bunch of toossers

@tomhoro6468

Жыл бұрын

Heard of democracy look at those in parliament l seen better tats on thuggs opps they are thuggs sorry

@priehowell8825

Жыл бұрын

​@Robin Tamihere stopping you right there. Maoris are not indigenous. Whys that so hard for you to understand. Co governance can't work regardless. Either a voted system runs the country or a Maori dictatorship does. It can't be both

@alistairmcdonald2382

Жыл бұрын

Good bloody point mate 👍👍

@alistairmcdonald2382

Жыл бұрын

@robintamihere4550 but they’re NOT Indigenous ! They got off a boat just LIKE the REST OF US ! !

John you are talking about bringing in arpartied to nz. We are all one people, there is no right to treat people differently because of their skin colour. Or how long your ansister lived here..

@user-xb8tc3tc8t

11 ай бұрын

Don't do it John.

@user-xb8tc3tc8t

10 ай бұрын

JT's recent ravings on race based beliefs is odd. He claims he HATES pakeha yet the majority of his bloodline is of European decent. Does he HATE his mother who is of European decent. Does he HATE over 50% of himself. That all contributes to one very confused, unstable puppy. It can't be said any other way.

New Zealanders don't want CO governance wake up Tamahere

@avid6186

Жыл бұрын

NZ already has co-governance. My maori neighbour gets a vote just the same as me. Isn't that co-governance? We both get a say?

@Eohippus100

Жыл бұрын

@@avid6186 No it is not, what you are describing is Democracy

@tomhoro6468

Жыл бұрын

@Robin Tamihere they lining there pockets mate just like bloody horse face did

@blokeVB

10 ай бұрын

Australia is doing the same here ???? The voice

@JamesFaction

2 ай бұрын

​@@avid6186that's co-government, not co-governance. JT explained this quite well in this interview, i guess you weren't listening.

A racially selected ruling group is not the way forward for NZ

@overover..

Жыл бұрын

@Robin Tamihere *you're... Get it right please, you're disrespecting my language

@overover..

Жыл бұрын

@Robin Tamihere It's the one you're butchering Rob I think you're in for a surprise, the bulk of New Zealanders don't want a ruling race like they have in Saudi Arabia, and are waking up to what's going on in our government and media. The next election will be a referendum on whether we choose our leadership based on genetics, or merit

NO SUCH THING in the treaty, this is a blatant lie, this is creating a two tier country, maori and the rest, Individual maoris in positions is one thing, BUT NOT a separate group.Labour will be gone if the persist with this.

@andrewbrownlie2764

Жыл бұрын

Spot on.

@Eohippus100

Жыл бұрын

Individual Maori in "positions" or elected is of course absolutely fine, but Maori (like Nanaia Mahutas sister) in position because she is a member of a Maori "elite" family is emphatically not fine, and is 3rd world nepotism

@berniefynn6623

Жыл бұрын

@Robin Tamihere THis racist system will not happen, labour out this elections.Individual maoris on a board is one thing, as a sepearte people NO.

@user-xb8tc3tc8t

10 ай бұрын

A few weeks till the election. Agree, Labour will be gone because they have backed the wrong horse. Ardern started this rubbish. Never forget that.

there is no such thing a co -governance, there is only governance, and governance is usually done by a group, often with different views and ideas in that group

@blokeVB

10 ай бұрын

Strange a similar "the voice " is happening at the same time?????

We don't need co governance ONE COUTRY ONE VOTE TO ALL EQUAL CITIZENS, MAORI HAVE THE SAME in New Zealand ad any one else

@utubermax

Жыл бұрын

I like the sentiment but, actually, they don't have the same - they have automatic parliamentary seats and now seats at council tables. That surely isn't right?

I was born on the soil that is called New Zealand/Aotearoa, why should I have any less rights than someone of Māori ethnicity? My ancestors long long ago were from the UK, I have no rights, no claim, no anything to British soil even though I have English ethnicity! Something to think about eh John……

@greatwhite9428

Жыл бұрын

Does your birth certificate say New Zealand/Aotearoa?

@bronwynsearle2117

Жыл бұрын

@Robin Tamihere bullshit 💩🤣

@jeff230394

Жыл бұрын

​@Robin Tamihere never in a million years. Meet me bruv

@priehowell8825

Жыл бұрын

@Robin Tamihere it's you who's in for a rude awakening. This apartheid system is coming to an end by force other possibilities.

@rotofotonz5150

Жыл бұрын

​@Robin Tamihere lol your dreaming

John Tamiihere is of what ethnicity. It's naive to think there's anything democratic about Co Governance or the current Labour Govt backing away from it. Campbell and most probably any number of our Maori brothers and sisters in public service would want anything other than Co Governance and Three Waters, such has been impetus given them by this duplicitous and divisive Labour regime in recent time. However NZers oppose these moves, it's just not the kiwi way.

@stevehughes1510

Жыл бұрын

@Robin Tamihere There simply will never be constitutional co governance in NZ.

@stevehughes1510

Жыл бұрын

@Robin Tamihere Robin, that's a convenient sentiment of yours however not one that is applicable or practical in our country. NZ is one nation and always will be, land or no land.

Let's just ;eave it as it is Tamihere or are you afraid you will lose dollars and power. Equality is nothing to be feared and that's how it should be. Stop lying.

Government backing away is one thing, corporations of all industries and sectors and even state-owned enterprises continuing to act under the co-governance agenda is another.

@blokeVB

10 ай бұрын

Why the voice is happening at the same time in Australia

Co-governance is nothing to be feared? Really? Let's have a debate and a referendum on it then, so all the people, who will no doubt be convinced by the extremely rational arguments of the Maori Party, can vote for it. What a load of crap this guy talks, and Jack Lame would never challenge him, of course.

@bronwynsearle2117

Жыл бұрын

@Robin Tamihere haha 😂😂😂😂 have another puff on the pipe dream, you lot couldn't govern to save your selves.. the white man did that 180 years ago..

@blokeVB

10 ай бұрын

Hand to hand with the voice here in Australia

@avpr1574

10 ай бұрын

The people will speak on Oct 14th. And speak they will because your average Kiwi doesn't like conflict,they will just represent their displeasure with co governance and dump the govt. Unceremoniously.

Pathetic interview Jack. You were siding with Tamahere in going along with all he said in comparison to the previous interview with the Act leader where you were determined to undermine his plan forward for a united New Zealand. So Māori own the water now!! Don't think so Tamahere. It is for all.

@Eohippus100

Жыл бұрын

He is paid to do that along with all the presstitutes who have tapped into the journalism fund (with its conditions)

@tomhoro6468

Жыл бұрын

@Robin Tamihere what a tosser

@GravityAddicts

10 ай бұрын

​@robintamihere4550 Keep dreaming mate.

Co government are you full blooded Maori. What about looking after your other half we are all brothers equal.

I have Maori in my heritage but I think the Labour party an Maori corcus need to be kicked out they are destroying NZ

@barrygeary9362

Жыл бұрын

@Robin Tamihere u are dreaming u don't have the numbers of Maori to support it

@priehowell8825

2 ай бұрын

Absolutely. You see the truth of it. Labour tried so hard for an apartheid system

Tamahere’s new name for NZ is Aoteapartheid

@tomhoro6468

Жыл бұрын

Got that right

@priehowell8825

Жыл бұрын

​@Robin Tamihere your delusional. NZers aren't going to put up with that shit. You underestimate our resolve

Ownership of a life force necessity like water is not essentially about money, its about power. Didn't this guy become notorious for buying silk underpants using the public purse a few years back?

@saxdearing3395

Жыл бұрын

@Robin Tamihere Yes, but there were two of them I think?

@tomhoro6468

Жыл бұрын

They even then thought tax money was theirs as well 🤪

Must have to do with money

No one owns water bloody toser

Is iwi funding alot of their people's needs in health and mental wellbeing? Big pay outs big profits from investments yet still wanting more and more from government.

Australia is going through the same ish

@user-xb8tc3tc8t

10 ай бұрын

Yeah,- theirs a referendum, ours, an election. Otherwise same - same.

1 Person 1 Vote; that is what my father fought for in WW2. Co Governance needs to be stopped! Democracy is about people being equal! I will be voting on this Issue! I will be claiming that I'm Maori on future Cenci.

@user-xb8tc3tc8t

10 ай бұрын

I used to have a pleasant beer or two with JT. Would avoid that now. It would end up unpleasant.

@user-ot8ex7eo2p

10 ай бұрын

Sorry, your father fought for corporations in WW2.

@alistermacpherson7120

10 ай бұрын

Am I missing something,who gets two votes,in an election please let me know how this happens.

@robertmiller2173

10 ай бұрын

Its Mathematics Maori =17% of the Pop And therefore all others equals 83% so Co Governance means what? Lets make it easy Say Maori equal 20% of the Population and Everybodyelse equals 80% so what does it take mathematically to make Co Governance? The New Word for Pakeha is Everybodyelse @@alistermacpherson7120

He has zero clue what he's on about but he's pretty confident lmao

No one owned the water

Māori don’t contribute to census data just like they don’t contribute to the rest of society , ie a general disregard for structure and organisation.

@stephenlennon7369

Жыл бұрын

The Land that the majority of NZers live on were maori land that was taken by illegal means and you reckon Maori don't contribute to NZ society??????? Maori pay taxes & rates on land that they once owned get it right

@josephl9619

Жыл бұрын

maori do contribute. Thats not fair. But nz does have a huge group of people who are a handbreak on this country, many of them maori. Unfortunately maori elites seem to be mostly concerned with projects that will do nothing to solve these problems. Same with iwi.

@lizahenry3343

Жыл бұрын

Let's be honest it's all political and the only time Maori matters is every 4 f**kn years always been about votes nothing more nothing less wake the F**k up the nz government dividing the nation again!

@Ggrrllable

Жыл бұрын

That's a dumb comment.

@stephenlennon7369

Жыл бұрын

@@josephl9619 rubbish it the govt that holds all the clout Iwi are pawns

One option one escape: real Democracy / real equal opportunity / one person one vote / vote on solid economic policy, make economy work and be fair - no need to break NZ assets into "tribal possessions" and pretend it is equity or moral redemption when is just one type of racial discrimination replaced by another - both wrong - just now we also tear down Democracy in the process. How many died in history across the globe so now we can even talk about Democracy? Democracy grants equity, social injustice is ourselves failing at Democracy - just do it right don't change it. IT IS NOT about Maori vs. Pakeha ANY MORE, stop living in the 19 Century - or you are just a big fish in a bowl.

Referendum!!! Let’s go Hipkins

Pale brown pakeha trying to be a race that's gone 😂

@tonofh

Жыл бұрын

Yes that’s absolutely true

@bronwynsearle2117

Жыл бұрын

@Robin Tamihere in your wettest dreams.. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@bronwynsearle2117

Жыл бұрын

@Robin Tamihere haha 😂 wot a load of bullshit

@priehowell8825

Жыл бұрын

​@Robin Tamihere when national gets in this nonsense ends .

Why is it that the part Maori are always the most radical?

best chance they have is to stay quiet in the back and let labour/greens sneak through because the rapidly developing alternative is Naterers and ACTors coming in and removing all special treatment completely Maori party need an urgent wake up lesson in MMP

@user-xb8tc3tc8t

10 ай бұрын

A bit of a back fire huh? Lol.

John have you paid back the $300,000 u Stole from Waiparareira Trust & gave 2 Te Patea Maori

If u are talking about Rule of Law John 😮 u should be in prison 😊 Facts

What happened to the funds gov gave for you to help poor urban maori, John . Seems you took it for your own political means. Hang you head in shame John.

Co-Governace between TAINUI and GOVERNMENT been going on for a while now and been going good for the future so what's wrong with it...

Tamihere a Judas, he has schooled Waititi to think like him, white blood runs through Maori Veins so what's the problem? It's about free $$$

Quite a history about the Maori - put the Inca's or the Aztecs to shame in degeneration. Outcast during the 13th century as weaker primitive Neolithic people by the invading Hawaiians & Tongans (Maori were from the original wave of primitive Asian/Melanesians pushed right out across the Eastern Pacific by successive stronger more advanced races coming from the west). They were outcast on rafts and some floated up in NZ stranded for 500 years. The weaker were pushed down to the South Island or Chathams etc. So the South Island Maori (had their own language) were the weakest of the weak. They were captured and eaten as 'Slave flesh' by the northern Maori doing raids. (Well they all ate each other - 80% of Maori pre European were dark skinned easily fattened slaves farmed and eaten by a lighter skinned 'Ariki' thin wiry elite royal caste). So it was with some righteousness as well as British cunning that they armed the southern Maori who then with muskets launched a genocidal war on the north.. That plus measles & flu halved the Maori population and removed most of the elite. The British then liberated the slaves and outlawed cannibalism. The northern Maori fought with the British against the south bad west Maori 'rebels'. The Maori sued for peace and a treaty was signed that removed all sovereignty and made them subjects to the English crown where the English would protect them from each other. Land could only be sold to or via the Crown. Maori could live on their reservations with native custom but none did. The treaty of Waitangi is strikingly clear in that the Maori cede sovereignty completely and become citizens of Great Britain - all 3 clauses lock that in. Nothing in today's 'Maori' culture is authentic. The music - all European (Maoris did not have tonal music, the songs are missionary tunes or introduced - Poi dance is from Islands and Stick dance from old Malaya. The carvings and art - all European - Arabesques that was the fashion at the time. Original Maori had limited dash carving and no painting of objects. No written language - all the syntax & grammar plus vowel inflection is European. No technology - some lagoon canoes and wood or stone Neolithic tools. No food sources - like pigs or crops - they left that all behind, all they had was a weak inbred fox (now extinct), some rats and a weak dismal pacific yam. They ate out all the bird-life, didn't know how to farm the sea as were island people and so they turned to societal cannibalism. Today - no full blood or half blood left. No genuine tradition and almost all are offspring of Maori slave females sold to white settlers for muskets or food. -So more fake than the 'Sioux' or 'Cherokee' or 'Crow' who had at least retained some genuineness about who they were and their history. -Everything you 'saw or experienced' is Fake. A totally convected disneyfied tokenistic set of inventions fueled by a grievance culture of mixed-race imposters fetishing a false past bad history because it pays benefits. 'This Horrid Practice' - Professor Paul Moon, "A Savage Country" Professor Paul Moon 'Behind The Tattooed Face' - Heretaunga Pat Baker, 'Anthropology In The South Seas' - H D Skinner

@user-ot8ex7eo2p

10 ай бұрын

Four books and you know it all, well done.

Interesting comments below, so many depressed negative people. Blessings you can see happiness. U couldn't kill off the Maori and your still moaning. Pray u get more Maori in Healthcare, they will treat u better.

@MrBigTDubbs

Жыл бұрын

What a blind comment LOL you call the people apposed depressed and negative.. its because of all this bullshit, we are sick of paying for treaty claims just for more claims to be made year after year.... when does the cash cow end Elaine, when can we stop paying Maori elite and use that money to help South Aucklanders instead, I'm happy to pay money to help poor communities (not race based) but I can't stay silent while we pay the big faceless maori elite millions just so they can invest fuck sake wake up!

@Eohippus100

Жыл бұрын

Nobody wants to "kill off" maori, although that was what they were doing to each other in the musket wars prior to 1840 What nonsense

@stephencook8001

Жыл бұрын

I am maori i get the best treatment available in this country everytime i am in hospital ,,,please giv me one example of why as maori we are not treated the same, you sound like a useless non achiever to me

Co-Governance if successful could benefit everyone. Most Maori will be happy and not being ruled by Pakeha therefore could see crime come down for Maori. If other races have a choice to pick which Co Governance they want to be with that is another advantage. It's not all doom and gloom like some people want you to think. More choices for everyone.

From stone ae age to this, you are so lucky it was the british that got here first,and as for being indigenous my ass.

@neilstanley5565

Жыл бұрын

got news for you and it is all bad, do you really want a civil war?@Robin Tamihere

@mrspecialk1234

Жыл бұрын

@robintamihere4550 Seen a political poll lately?….co-governance is now looking like a pipe dream….