just astounding the amount of legendary coaching connections mentioned in this vid

@skippythealien9627

2 жыл бұрын

that's just how insane Big East basketball was back then...before the conferences all just splintered, which really isn't even basketball's fault. I blame that more on the greedy bastards who run football programs

@withalittlehelpfrom3

2 жыл бұрын

I was surprised there weren't even more of Larry Brown's mentees in this video, like Gregg Popovich!

@hrzn8395

2 жыл бұрын

@@skippythealien9627 lkk

@dustinashley8150

2 жыл бұрын

Omg right

@inkysanimations3709

2 жыл бұрын

Hell I didn’t know pitino coached Donovan

The Kentucky vs. Louisville rivalry is pure beef. Hell once the police had to be called to a dialysis center because two patients got in a fight over it.

@teen_laqueefa

2 жыл бұрын

Dialysis, you mean they got in a fight over college hoops, while dying of kidney failure? Kentucky in a nutshell

@Los150

2 жыл бұрын

That’s the most Kentucky thing I’ve ever heard 😂

@lukepheneger5878

2 жыл бұрын

@@teen_laqueefa lmaooo

@Cobra85291

2 жыл бұрын

Kentucky is luckly Florida exists otherwise it would be "Kentucky man ..."

@Maxbps88

2 жыл бұрын

Two septuagenarians got into a fight!

Everytime I hear the name Rick Pitino I just think of one thing...”Larry Bird is not walking through that door! Kevin McHale is not walking through that door! And Robert Parrish is not walking through that door!”

@thepassingstatic6268

2 жыл бұрын

And if they do, they're gonna be grey and old!

@withalittlehelpfrom3

2 жыл бұрын

@@thepassingstatic6268 “I wish we could buy the world-we can’t!!”

@teen_laqueefa

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, and he shouldn't have been GM or whatever, he was the Worst NBA hire

@andyhsong

2 жыл бұрын

The negativity in this town sucks!!!

@kenm7179

2 жыл бұрын

I just think "sleazy pos"

If there’s a Beef History Hall of Fame, this is first-ballot

Larry Browns success in the NCAA and NBA is underrated

@Michael-mw4yz

Жыл бұрын

One of best basketball minds of all time

Lifelong Louisville fan born and raised in the city and the 2012-2013 UK Uofl title runs were so incredible. The buzz in the city and the state for basketball those years was just awesome to be a part of and something I’ll never forget.

@BlakeBeamsBroadcasts

2 жыл бұрын

yeah and even the few years post Rick were still uber competitive. the Spida, Mahmoud, Adel team vs Fox, Adebayo, and Monk game was a classic

@airrboii20

2 жыл бұрын

They'll never take those memories from me. Even if they don't even put the banner back up. #L1C4

@jwalk7134

2 жыл бұрын

Screw Rick. He owned cal when he was at Memphis and then all of a sudden couldn’t beat him when he became the mild cats coach. Rick is, and always has been a closet uk fan.

@baloothepibble8421

2 жыл бұрын

Go CATS

@jwalk7134

2 жыл бұрын

@@baloothepibble8421 did you know the term bleeding blue came from years of inbreeding? Kind of like your entire fan base.

You need to do a Beef History: The San Diego Chicken vs. Phillie Phanatic.

@johncummings5350

2 жыл бұрын

With an unbiased view... The SD Chicken simply dominates the Philly Phinatic

@DaileyShorts

2 жыл бұрын

Unbiased Sox fan, id take the SD Chicken any day over the Phillie Phanatic

Will you guys PLEASE do a full-length Beef video on the beef-to-end-ALL-beefs: Isiah Thomas and Michael Jordan. It's easily the greatest modern basketball beef. There's not even a close second. EVERYBODY would look forward to such a video. Please commence.

@desmondsamuels1338

2 жыл бұрын

This one might even need a Pt. 2

@khaitranngoc4176

2 жыл бұрын

@@desmondsamuels1338 Dude, if Cal-Rick was a 20 minutes feature, Zeke-Airness would tie that, double that even.

@SECRETARIATguy224

2 жыл бұрын

@@desmondsamuels1338 Yes. It'd easily be the most epic episode of Beef in the history of this channel if they did it right.

@SECRETARIATguy224

2 жыл бұрын

@@khaitranngoc4176 I grew up in Chicago and lived through the Thomas/Jordan rivalry. I absolutely loved it. Those two guys are two total alpha dogs, and they SHOULD hate each other. Ain't gonna see no televised reconciliation between Thomas and Jordan like there was between Magic and Isiah.

@khaitranngoc4176

2 жыл бұрын

@@SECRETARIATguy224 basically Chi native vs Chi adopted kid. Except much much deeper than that.

What have we done to deserve so many basketball beef videos in a row.. I like it! Great job as always

Don't forget that Pitino also had the 6th pick in the 1997 draft and he whiffed on Tracy McGrady to pick Ron Mercer.

@Flow_Easy

2 жыл бұрын

Also also, don't forget where a great PG named Chauncey Billups fell into his lap and he royally screwed that up too.

@josearzaga619

2 жыл бұрын

Some coaches are better for college rather than nba

@bigbearkat2010

2 жыл бұрын

I think they remember. They did a whole video about how terrible Petinos reign in Boston was, including the fact they passed ok Larry Brown to hire him

@ramuelcruzada3207

2 жыл бұрын

@@josearzaga619 but not Pitino's star in Providence, Billy Donovan

Another incredible -- AND interesting -- Beef History video by my friends at Secret Base. The John Calipari-Rick Pitino rivalry deserves a bunch of attention, and I enjoyed every minute of this video. Keep up the great work, Secret Base!

@daquariussmith9772

2 жыл бұрын

theyre not your friends

@VandalSavage72

2 жыл бұрын

Bot

@zackhicks5320

2 жыл бұрын

@@daquariussmith9772 no one is your friend Daquarius

@daquariussmith9772

2 жыл бұрын

@@zackhicks5320 Wrong lmfao. Literally hanging out with them right now, you nobody white hick!

@dannyhightower911

2 жыл бұрын

@@zackhicks5320 I love my friend Daquarius!

I know this is really late but you missed a key point in the beef. While Cal was on Brown's staff in Philly, the first time they played Pitino and the Celtics, Brown knew they were much better so he got two really quick techs to get kicked out of the game making Cal the coach for the night and the win over the Celtics.

@stever1791

8 ай бұрын

that's true . Wow good memory

Starring Al Pacino and Robert De Niro

@ShannBo

Ай бұрын

Underrated comment

I really hope Louisville can get back on track so we can bring back the classic Louisville Kentucky rivalry

@brett444

2 жыл бұрын

As a die hard wildcat nothing would make me happier. I miss those Saturday showdowns

@jasonmilly3320

2 жыл бұрын

Still been pretty good as of late but not a classic feel because of all the LVille coaches in the time frame. LVille was one made shot away from having won 3 of the last 5.

@brett444

2 жыл бұрын

@@jasonmilly3320 don't get it twisted coach Cal owns yall lol

@larrywilson3904

2 жыл бұрын

I’d like a Big 4 similar to that of the Big 5 in Philly. WKU, Muarry State, Kentucky, Louisville

@MickeyMouse-lm6zj

Жыл бұрын

cheating doesn't help

This was one of the best episodes I've seen in a long time. And I really enjoy the obscure sports history stuff you guys do. I'm not a big basketball fan. Same with baseball. But it such an old sport that the history behind a lot of what happened is genuinely fascinating. Good choice on this one guys. 10/10

After what happened in KG's jersey retirement, we need a beef history of the Celtics Big 4 with Rondo, Pierce, KG and Ray with the storybook ending after a decade of feuding

@krishnawidardjo5777

9 ай бұрын

And Doc - he shouldn't be off the hook

I would like to see a Harden beef rewind with every star teammate he ever had.

Well done! Can’t wait for part 2 of the Dave Stieb series this week!

This may or may not be interesting, but I thought of a few more coaching connections in this story. At 2:15, we see a shot of Larry Brown circa 1985 coaching at Kansas with Cal and Bob Hill on the bench as assistants. After the 85 season, Call left Kansas to become an assistant at Pitt. Pitino left his job as an assistant with the Knicks to become Providence HC. Hill then left Kansas and took Pitino's spot under Hubie Brown with the Knicks. In 1986, one of Brown's close friends (they'd met in the 70s when Brown was HC of the ABA Nuggets and the friend tried out for the team) was taking a one-year sabbatical from his job coaching a D3 team and Brown invited him to spend some time at Kansas as a volunteer assistant. It was a chance to pick up some coaching tools as the D3 school(s) he coached flat out sucked, primarily due to high academic standards. Then in 1988, Brown left Kansas to become HC of the Spurs and he asked that D3 coach, Gregg Popovich, to become his lead assistant. They lasted a few years but Brown and the entire staff were fired in 1992. Then late in the 1994 season, Spurs ownership tossed around the idea of bringing Pop back to work in basketball ops assisting longtime GM Bob Bass. But surprisingly, Bass retired at the end of the season and the Spurs ended up offering Pop to GM role. It was considered an odd move since Pop only had a few years of NBA experience (as an assistant) and no front-office experience. That same offseason, Spurs HC John Lucas also left and Pop needed to find a new HC. He decided to hire Brown's former Kansas assistant, Bob Hill, even though Brown himself advised against it. After a few years, Pop controversially fired Hill early in the 1996 season and named himself the new head coach. Pop did not commit to coaching the team beyond that initial (dreadful) season, but that changed when the Spurs landed the first pick in the 1997 draft, taking Tim Duncan. The same draft where Brown drafted Van Horn at #2, irking Pitino who had the 3rd pick and took Billups (as mentioned in the video).

@khaitranngoc4176

2 жыл бұрын

Imagine all 3 team with top picks at the 97' draft having coaching connections.

@erickennedy8534

2 жыл бұрын

That is great stuff man

I am complete, after asking for this beef history for 3 years you finally did it!!

As a lifelong Louisville fan, knowing each turn where they would continue beefing was awesome lol. I’m biased but this is my favorite beef video

This was great! I've been aware of both of these guys but had no idea how intertwined their careers were. Fantastic video

Shoutout from KY. Thanks for another awesome beef vid and especially thanks for having it feature two KY coaches. We Kentuckians have been enjoying this one a really long time already; I’m glad you guys are now sharing it with everyone else.

Another great episode Seth. Always a pleasure seeing some good ol beef in my feed

This beef was better then this year all star game second time watching

I think I was maybe 8 when Calipari was the Nets head coach, so I'd love to see some info on those teams and why he didn't pan out in the NBA.

@JWex-jy7sk

2 жыл бұрын

Well 1st year was bad at 26-56 trying to rebuild them back up Next year 43-39 improvement and they made the playoffs before getting swept by the Bulls Now 1998-99 nobody was gonna succeed with that team and the injuries they dealt with! Sam Cassel got hurt, Jayson Williams got hurt, and they had 23 different players suit up for them that year. 3-17 they started before Calipari got the boot, but that was just a terrible situation he had no control over when those injuries plagued that 1998-99 team

@thepassingstatic6268

2 жыл бұрын

@@JWex-jy7sk it's always either crippling injuries, or the Bulls.

@drby0788

2 жыл бұрын

@The Bobblehead Guy his coaching style also didn't translate in the NBA either. You can't treat grown adults like college kids. That's what he tried to do, and failed miserably at it.

@AjaxNixon

2 жыл бұрын

I always think that the really good college coaches are primarily really good recruiters, and that skill is somewhat irrelevant in the pros, so they just become average coaches

@bobbyyoung4243

Жыл бұрын

He didn't have one and Done's 🤣

Ok, I know you're not that deep into basketball history, but you cant just call Garf a camp administrator, he's like a God of the basketball world. Five Star basketball camp was the best basketball training grounds in history, that man is a legend. I went to this camp every year since I was a kid, I cried ugly tears when Garf passed

Battle Of The Legendary Italian Titans

Seth - this is your best script yet. Great work y'all, thanks as always for the fantastic content

Add even more to this beef, cal leaves and Rick is all in on KY. Offering to write the NIL check, was interested in the job, and it’s as soon as cal leaves. Hilarious

These mini docs are really well done.

“So he bailed and left the program…” except Memphis went 33-4 the next year with cal still coaching and tyreke evans balling out

@erickennedy8534

2 жыл бұрын

Memphis will win Nant next season

@ChiefBlue4298

Жыл бұрын

@@erickennedy8534😂😂😂😂

@erickennedy8534

Жыл бұрын

@@ChiefBlue4298 That was a bad take

Love everything about this story top quality love sports history docs keep it coming bro

Love the coverage!

Italian Beef for Breakfast. 😋

@djtrankilo231

2 жыл бұрын

Italian Beef in the land of fried chicken.

One of the best videos yet

Dude, really well done!! I’m a lifelong UK fan and Pitino will always have a special place in my heart…when Tubby left all I wanted was to have an easy transition and it was Calipari I wanted but would settle for Billy Donovan. Well after another Billy was hired who for better or worse made our AD hire Calipari and the rest is history. I’ve always loved this parallel stories rivalry. If Cal retires at Kentucky (he’d be bonkers to do otherwise) then he will go down in the annals of Kentucky lore equivalent to Rupp, Bill Keightley, and Caywood Ledford. Go Cats!! 2022 is our year!

Great video post, outstanding histrionics and timeline.

Been waiting on this one!!!

Just got done part 1 of captain ahab stieb doc. Perfect timing.

This was so good 👏🏻

This is my favorite beef, and it's amazing considering it involves the coaches and not players

Rewinder: laettner’s shot against Kentucky Collapse: how the Buffalo bills failure to win 4 straight Super Bowls led to nearly two decades of failure Rewinder: the miracle of Istanbul Collapse: how the Montreal canadiens failed to reach sniffing distance of Lord Stanley for 28 years Rewinder: Sidney Crosby’s golden goal Untitled: Gilbert Perrault Untitled: Ted Williams Untitled: Ronaldo not winning a champions league title Beef history: dodgers vs giants Collapse: how Arsenal went from the Invincibles to middle of the premier league pack Collapse: how the mutombo hawks went from playoff contenders to breaking apart Collapse: how the fo-fi-fo 76ers went from playoff domination to playoff drought Rewinder: hattenberg’s home run to bring the A’s win streak to 20 wins

@j.a.5711

2 жыл бұрын

The sixers one would be good for older nba fans

@ryanahr2267

2 жыл бұрын

Can we not, though, with the Bills? It's not hard to understand. A stacked team ran into three teams that were even more stacked, and got snakebitten by the Giants in the other SB. Then guys got old, the SB window closed like it does for all normal football teams (the Pats of this century will forever be an anomaly thanks to Tom Brady) and then it was just a circus of bad decisions and bad luck after that, culminating in Rex Ryan dismantling a really great defense before Sean McDermott took over.

Calipari had scandal at UMass, then bolted when there were sanctions. He then had scandal at Memphis and bolted when there were sanctions. Not to mention, Pitino had scandals of his own to deal with in college. NCAA coaches are shady. It's a billion-dollar industry with million-dollar coaches. They know how to cheat and make it sexy...that's their gift. They are more alike than they want to admit.

Ik the video is somewhat shorter to encourage watching, but there’s a lot more that went on during/before ‘96 that led this rivalry to a head. Great video overall

It's nice to see some context on that "Worst NBA Coachin Hire" video

Cool side note for y’all, Kenny Payne, former Cardinal national champion as a player and now head coach of the Cards, and he was also a former Uk assistant under Cal during their 2012 run. Has hired Milt Wagner on his staff to get DeJuans son (and Milts grandson) number 1 overall player DJ Wagner in a reverse of what happened with Cal at Memphis during the Dejuan recruitment.

2 of the greatest coaches ever. What a wild ride. I'm glad I've been following them through most of it as a UK fan who lives in Louisville.

Nothing better than some well aged college basketball beef

Amazing SHOW....I live in Louisville n You were spot on.....Nothin Else to say this way.....keep doin u...

For every year Calipari ages, Pitino ages ten.

I live in Louisville, Ky. Ricky P won championships both schools .

@carpe_poon5761

2 жыл бұрын

Just at Ky. You don't get to keep championships when you buy players with sports agencies and promise them pro careers. The 2013 banner is not hanging in the KFC yum center

@jasonmilly3320

2 жыл бұрын

@@carpe_poon5761 - You're right. It hangs outside the Yum Center now, 24/7/365 for all to see. It's pretty dope. Who on that team on theirs was "bought" tho? Literally never heard of "sports agencies and promising them pro careers" before. Every player playing was either already at/committed/transferred in before stuff (strippers/Andre McGee) started in late 2011. So it's not like any of that even mattered or was a factor in their 2013 title...just how dumb and corrupt the NCAA is.

I know it maybe isn't as mainstream, but with his resigning a couple days ago, this video reminds me of the beef between Bruce Weber and Bill Self.

Can you guys possibly do an episode on Thor and Eddie Hall? I can't get the story straight and you guys crush it every time.

Secret Base, you're the best sports historian ever.

It's crazy how they both failed in the NBA.

@tomstreet2859

2 жыл бұрын

Basically shows their real talent is recruiting.

@drby0788

2 жыл бұрын

Calaparis ra ra coaching style didn't translate very well in the pros. He tried to coach the same way he did at UMass except you can't do that with a bunch of adults

@khaitranngoc4176

2 жыл бұрын

Rick Pitino got a "The Worst" episode dedicated to him, make of that what you will.

@trailblazer77

2 жыл бұрын

@@tomstreet2859 you mean boosting??🤑🤷🏼‍♂️

@ThePrufessa

2 жыл бұрын

@@guitarherofreek08 I don't think tenure wins national titles

Might be the best beef history yet, and I knew nothing about this story before watching.

I love your vids... jus smart ass comments thru the whole thing keeps me lmao...

I don’t know if it would be Rewinder, Beef, or a different series, but there needs to be an episode on Jose Bautista getting the dignity knocked out of him by Rougned Odor

Have followed this friendship turned rivalry turned hatred for a long time. From my understanding, it all changed when Cal found out the truth about Pitino's involvement around his hiring at UMass. If for years you've been lead to believe your buddy/friend/acquaintance was advocating for you to get a job, may have helped financially to meet your contract request (the $5k check), then watched your friend take credit for you being hired....only to find out years later that the friend was actually doing everything possible such that you wouldn't be hired behind closed doors (and blatantly lying/lied to your face for a decade)....well that would be a gut punch to anyone. I mean, how would you ever trust someone like that. Whenever that truth hit Cal from the Board member at Mass who told him how it all actually went down...that is when any possible friendship (or even respect) disappeared. Pitino's a scumbag, 100%

Two great coaches, very much alike, and they kept ending up in the same places. And those places weren't big enough for the two of them. A lot of old rivals find peace with one another when the battles are over.

@Michael-mw4yz

Жыл бұрын

Bottom line cal can't hold his jock strap when it comes to coach ing

Showing your age with the "Spy vs Spy" line, Seth lmao

Its 2024 and Calipari moved to Arkansas and Rick Pitino's name is on the list to replace him at Kentucky. As a Hogs fan I have no clue how to feel, but Rupp Arena might actually explode next year. Wild times.

Amazing work. Now, time to do the shaq kobe beef

It makes sense that they'd beef when it helped them individually and look out for each other when that made more sense as well; they're both Italian after all. This has Caesar and Pompey written all over it: the First Duumvirate of college basketball.

I know this isn't related to basketball but I just wanted to request that eventually we get a Beef History video for Arsene Wenger and Jose Mourinho

Great video but can we please get the Michael Jordan (Bulls) vs Isiah Thomas (Pistons) beef history please!

Dope video, you left out the Darius Washington missed FT game! Major part of their "beef".

Do a Buddy Ryan vs Mike Ditka video

@Michael-mw4yz

Жыл бұрын

Both whops but cal political can't coach but can't trust either one,Pitino much better coach

EXCELLENT VIDEO 👍👌👏

You guys should do one on the rise and fall of the Great Alaska Shootout. A great tournament that was truly underrated.

@ripwatts373

2 жыл бұрын

Damn... That was a legendary tournament...

15:58 that "Spy vs. Spy" reference had me rolling 👍

This sounds like a love story❤️❤️❤️😂

That Cal quote at the end. Hell yeah

Question☝🏾. Does anybody know the name of the instrumental, that’s always playing in the background?

You guys should do a bill self vs Bruce weber video good stuff

Who’s here after the new broke that John Calipari is leaving Kentucky for Arkansas?

@harveyblevins74

2 ай бұрын

Glad he's gone.

@frankgambrel1683

Ай бұрын

He didn’t leave he was trying to use leverage and get more nil money and uk said no so cal sneaks and talks to Arkansas about the job which violated his contract so uk said kick rocks

@frankgambrel1683

Ай бұрын

Good Riddance

Thanks for jinxing UK’s 2022 NCAA tournament run

I've always loved Rick man and I'm glad he's at st John's he's gonna turn tha team into a tournament team in a year or two

As a born and bred Kentucky fan its honestly sad how little how I hate uofl compared to when Pitino was coaching there. I now legitimately hate Tennessee way more than Uofl. Also its a fact that the only times Pitino was with two of his best teams against UKs two worst teams

You should do one on John calipari vs John Chaney

I loved the Spy v Spy line lol what a great series

I salute you secret base

I do remember Kobe saying if he was drafted by the nets he would go play in Italy Kobe had his eyes set on a big market team not small market

Awesome story

plot twist: both were probably tied with the italian mob and made them alot of money in sportsbetting thats why they followed each other from college to nba and back

Nice video...but I keep looking and hoping for part two of Dave Stied..you monsters are making us wait over a week for part two! Lol ;)

Good vid

I love it. Thank you SB

I'm from Omaha Nebraska, I would love for the Nebraska Cornhuskers to hire John Calipari as the next head coach

And again I politely ask for the Calipari vs. The City of Memphis beef.

One of these guys is a great coach, the other is a great recruiter.

@Michael-mw4yz

Жыл бұрын

Yes but KY tradition certainly helps

I think some parts of this video need updated, especially after the IARP decision just recently

Please please please rewind the immaculate reception!!!

As a Wildcats fan from the 80s to... well, 2015... this was a constant, pervasive drama. Time has definitely passed both of them by, in many ways.

@smoothjb2384

2 жыл бұрын

Glad we got rid of you fake fans in 2015 geeo. When we balling in the tourney this year don’t try to jump back on the bandwagon son

@felteair

2 жыл бұрын

This is probably one of the last places I'd expect to find you Plague

@seansharpe8539

2 жыл бұрын

You're dumb. We don't want you back if they hang up another banner this year.

@dcsoda1

2 жыл бұрын

@@seansharpe8539 don’t worry they won’t.

@Michael-mw4yz

Жыл бұрын

Not trying to jump on after 1 win in 5yrs cal is a failure needs to be replaced

To mix it up a bit, maybe Phelps and Lochte's feud, if there is enough info

Then both of them had to live together in a small apartment in Brooklyn. Hijinks ensues.

Its like a i want what you got kind of relationship. Now rick starting all over, and cal is on top of the world after destroying everybody else to get what he wanted. What a movie in my head.

didnt think they had beef anymore since rick went on cals podcast a few years ago and they talked it up for 45 mins, book recs etc

Good video! Now that Kenny Payne is at the University of Louisville hopefully Louisville will start making Final Fours and winning National Championships again.