I really appreciate that video because so many of now a days martial artists forget or blow off traditional martial artist. Because the television, you only see MMA and Boxing. And if you do MMA you're Thai boxer and Bjj person and that's it. All of us should respect all martial arts.

@canadianarcticradio4030

6 жыл бұрын

Well said. Blowing off tradition is never a good thing.

@cyberserk5614

6 жыл бұрын

Thai boxing and Jujutsu are traditional martial arts no matter what some Brazilians say.

@DonceBeats

6 жыл бұрын

Kata is not interchangeable with kumite (sparring, live practise). None of the old karate senseis said this. Through sparring practice the practical meaning of kata becomes apparent. Kumite and kata are linked. Kata are the basics of that particular rank. You don't just start doing Pinan Sono Yon when someone starts attacking you, but you use the basics of that kata, and change the move to fit in that situation. It's kind of like having a word and changing the ending of the word so it fits the text. The idea that kata is predominately a record of principles, as opposed to techniques, is expressed in the writings of a number of the past masters.

@DonceBeats

6 жыл бұрын

I read this on an article, have a read for yourself. "History tells us that there was a Chinese official who went by the title of Kushanku, and that one of his students was a gentleman called Tode Sakugawa. Kushanku is said to have came to Okinawa in the 1750s and whilst there he gave demonstrations of his fighting methods. According to one eye witness - the captain of a ship that ran ashore on Okinawa and was hence interviewed by the authorities - Kushanku was a small man and his methods included placing one hand on the opponent whilst striking with the other hand. We are also told that Kushanku also made use of effective ‘piercing’ leg movements. Tode Sakugawa became a student of Kushanku and it is he who is credited with creating the kata of the same name. Kushanku kata therefore exists to record the fighting system of Kushanku the man. Having created the kata, it was no doubt used by Sakugawa to rehearse and reinforce Kushaku’s teachings when training on his own. The fact that Sakugawa taught the kata to others shows that the kata was also used as a method to communicate these teachings to subsequent generations."

@archilzhvania5991

6 жыл бұрын

Lately Traditional Martial Artists started succeeding in MMA, like Stephen 'Wonderboy' Thompson, Yair Rodriguez, Zabit Magomedsharipov... And btw, Muay Thai is a traditional martial art.

Lyoto The Dragon Machida by far one of my favorite UFC fighters of all time. When I was a upcoming karateka, he reinforced my attitude that taking a traditional martial art still proved deadly in the cage against the most elite fighters in the world. OSS 🙏🏽🙏🏽🔥🔥

@BL0HARD

6 жыл бұрын

And he looks good doing it..😄

@SENSEIJASON

6 жыл бұрын

BL0HARD definitely, he doesn’t lose his foundation of Shotokan Karate

@jara4753

6 жыл бұрын

Just last week he did it again. Snap front kick ko! 💪

@rivertrash9862

6 жыл бұрын

They're a good foundation for fighting, but there's so much more to it. obviously Lyoto incorporates other techniques into his fighting and Kata specifically is pretty much useless.

@RevSteveHermann

6 жыл бұрын

No kata is not useless.

Neuro plasticity is the key. I often sit and just go through kata bunkai in my head repeatedly . I recall real violent confrontations I was in as a cop over 28 years policing rough northern English towns. I analyse my mindset , fear , approach to the combatants, my first move through to the end and what happened. I relive to learn . I had a unique experience to me . Excellent levels of instructions , hard work and then a field test opportunity numerous times on the street . I now know the Essence of one hit and finish . Is it realistic ?? Definitely!!! You’re as good as the level of training you’ve done and the experiences you’ve had and endured . Karate is 70% mentality 30% physical . If you don’t have the mindset right you’ll loose and you’ll get hurt . I often used my abilities for real with zero hatred or anger for the person on the other end . I just executed the move and eliminated the threat . It was that ruthlessly indifferent to their aggression !! If you take budo seriously you eventually realise that it should only ever be used for good. Humans - as Sensei Kase said to me - are very very dangerous animals and to start a fight is a very very dangerous thing to do . I utterly agree with the old mans teaching . Osu Sensei Kase !!!

@samward9294

3 жыл бұрын

That’s so interesting. So you used karate and bunkai a lot in your policing career?

@markwalker4142

3 жыл бұрын

@@samward9294 28 years is a long time Sam . I certainly was not using it every week . I used it specifically in controlling space and dominating the narrative . I found that extremely aggressive and threatening people are animated and expand themselves to lion bog and aggressive . Pure natural animal signalling for violence . We naturally do this . The biggest issue is to control fear and use it to your advantage . I meant to take it and convert that awful feeling of doom and dread into focussed action . Stop them and you stop the feeling .!!! Bunkai is not just the move but he state of mind . Awareness and decision making is crucial . If you are going to act , do it and don’t hesitate. You cannot pre empt half heartedly . You have to go in hard and fast and determined . Whether using a baton - closed or open -, incapacitant spray , or strikes . If you can control and de-escalate without those methods it’s still effective and better . I was never hurt in 28 years and I was never complained about or subjected to investigation for bad conduct . I was fair and I was direct and took initiative when I had to and yes I hit people . I never liked doing it but certain circumstances made it impossible for an alternative . Most people cannot fight , but they can knock you out just as easily if they got you in the head . I’m retired now and a lot of my time is reflecting , researching others viewed and experiences - aka Geoff Thompson is a good example and shy Rory millers journals on violence are excellent - even down to Fairburn and his Manuals on gutter fighting . I don’t practice bunkai as a set of moves for the real . The biggest things is controlling fear and speed . Fast one hit take downs without the flowering. Hit something solid and work on speed , power and accuracy . I rarely kick and what actually works for real are leg sweeps, and knee strikes to the thigh about the knee on big muscle groups . Striking through the leg .! I use a century Bob and work purely on slipping the line and fast one hit strikes . Get on as many seminars and workshops as you can and work on Enviromental awareness . I like Geoff Thompson’s 4 D’s and colour coding system of threat awareness . Great to be aware of an opponent , but more importantly knowing yourself . I’m no hard man , I’m just a survivor . 🤷‍♂️

@samward9294

3 жыл бұрын

@@markwalker4142 wow mark, thanks for all the info and your experiences- interesting to hear about the one hit strike vs usual combinations. I was always one for flashy kicks until I realised that hand techniques always win in self defence. I completely agree about not being half hearted. If it is for a good cause the true karateka will rely on his honed natural instinct and judgement. In a confrontation the other day I found myself between the two lads about to scrap before I could even think. In that way it brings me back to your point about how karate is 70% mentality in a real situation.

I do world jui jitsu federation training at 2 Dan. And this videos a great way to see the conection between practice and as he said fighting without thinking instinctively. To me there is a subtle difference between kata and drilling your techniques. They both have the same aim however as this video brilliantly explains. Thanks

This is so true. Visualization is beneficial for a lot of things. As a musician, I can definitely say that visualizing what I play before I play it and even while I'm playing it, has made me better.

0:50 are all those grand masters doing kata together. Wowwww what a sight!!!

True talk. If you train kata, you already have the fundamentals of striking. Basically the equivalent of shadow boxing. And the visualization part is so true, once you train distance and timing, all you need is a real target!

Shadow boxing is a type of “kata”...

@yourfriendkhalish8709

Жыл бұрын

True

@westone_official

4 ай бұрын

Absolutely!

@TheMisterGuy

19 күн бұрын

Not exactly. You're making it up as you go. There's no set routine, there are no embedded concepts or principles, you don't pass it down as part of your system. There are surface similarities but most of what makes kata is missing. Even the word kata, meaning "pattern", isn't there in shadow boxing since you're doing whatever you feel like in the moment, not a preset pattern.

Even though I think we have our disagreements I think you guys are really on to something in the way that you're trying to bring back the practicality of karate. Keep on training

Another amazing video! Good job guys! I am also a big fan of Joe Rogan. I like his no bullshit attitude. You overlap on that one big time. Keep up the good work :)

This is from the podcast with Matthew Walker if you;re wondering. It;s an incredible listen, i recommend it to everyone.

Amazing. Keep up the good work guyz. ✌👍

Can you guys do a video about your views on karate combat?

I always felt like training kata was a complete and total waste of time because I was never taught the fight side of it. A kata is supposed to be your side of a fight without you opponent present. However, if you don't have yet have an understanding of fighting or what your opponent might be doing, you'll never grasp what the kata is. You'll just be making random motions with y our body. When you first learn a kata from your sensei, he needs to walk through the fight with you, like a choreographed dance. He dances his part, you dance your part. With both parts in play, you can actually see WHY you move your body the way you do, "oh, I throw my hand like that because he's trying to punch me like this and I need to block" ... "Oh, I kick low because I'm trying to trip him and his leg is vulnerable in that position." Unless you know what your opponent is doing and were his body is in space, you don't know what you are doing either. Once you know the fight ... THEN you can gain benefit from the Kata because it becomes a physical/mental exercise of performing the fight in your mind while you act it out. If you don't see the fight in your mind ... if you can't see EXACTLY what your opponent is doing ... you're just flapping around with no real benefit. So ... to all you senseis out there ... TEACH THE FIGHT FIRST! Make sure they know WHY they're throwing the block or the kick or the punch or whatever. Don't just say "it's because someone is trying to punch you." I promise you ... that is NOT good enough. Unless the student has already had a LOT of fighting/sparing practice, they most likely will NOT have the ability to sufficiently imagine why he's blocking. Your student NEEDS to physically walk through the fight with a physical opponent to really get any benefit from the mental exercise.

@k9aid514

6 жыл бұрын

ZombieTex so rely Kata like tai chi

@TheInfantry98

5 жыл бұрын

k9 aid Lmfao no that’s how you end up in a coma

@GhostGrind

4 жыл бұрын

Katas have hidden techniques and tell you what parts of the body to attack. As far as I know you can only learn them if you take a martial art called Ryukyu Kempo/Ryu Te of Seiyu Oyata lineage. Seiyu Oyata learned from 2 men of the the warrior class in Okinawa. These 2 ancient bodyguards of the Royal families did not teach what they know to the public. Oyata was only taught because he had Royal blood in his heritage.

@alan5496

3 жыл бұрын

What you're describing is problem-based learning. You present the student with a problem and let them wrestle with it. When they give up, they realise they are missing a tool for solving the problem, that's when the teacher steps in and gives them the tool.

@stanclark3992

2 жыл бұрын

Hi The Galvin. Wrong.

You too are listening to Joe! I was actually listening to one of his podcast episodes with the debunker Mick West when I saw this video uploaded.

I've saved myself from bad fall more from kata training breakfalls and dive rolls, more than needing it in self defense against antagonisist . Recollected walking down steep icy steps out in front of my cabin one winter , slipped backwards, I slapped both iron handrails with a break fall method " even a Kia " so hard I got shot off forward, slid so fast I got spun around when my feet hit the ground , ended up in cat stance , no one but the yotes and local Ravens saw it .. another time , while working as a groundsman , dropping a chunk a trunk " elm " from over 20 feet up , I was on the ground , holding the line , climber cut way to large a section , way bigger than me with a big elbow .. when it dropped , I sat into the weight " horse stance , it swung towards me , I dodged, swung back , dodged again , then flew off the line " loved so much it landed ontop the neighbors car he refused to move ! Haa Ass hat !" .. when the log flew off , I flew back well over 8 feet in the air , ended up somehow just arching my body like a rocking chair , never even slapped the ground " I had just walked away from training in Akido, due the fact it didn't feel like training , more like give me your hand and I'll do this to you " well .. kinda lernt sumthin more than I realized there . I agree , kata , training , visualization . Very important! I'm a visual thinker . Focused more on wood carving now than Matt time ,but it's still relevant...like to joke that Kung Fu falling , has saved me more times than Kung Fu fighting , yadayada , potato , pomdeterre ..

could someone please link or at least tell me who he is talking to on this podcast. not sure i've heard this but would certainly like to get more of the conversation. thank you in advance.

Dear Karate Culture guys... Have you read through the comments? The belittering and hostility against kata from the modern martial artists and the confusion from the tma-guys is the outcome of Nakayama and his JKA. And though a lot of the mma-comments are disrespectful and aggressive, I sympathise with them more than with the Karatekas, because the former do care about effectiveness and the latter care more about mystery, tradition and looks. You guys keep up the good work, but you have to fight the ignorance of Karatekas more than anything. And btw, Joe Rogan didn‘t talk about kata specifically; he doesn‘t like kata very much.

Great video, should have added some of GSPs karate clips too

that's the beauty of muscle memory

The best martial art is the one you practice the most.

Love this.

I myself consider Kata to be just an active form of meditation, not everyone can sit for long periods of time in a yoga position with their eyes closed and meditate that's when active form of meditation can be very beneficial that's where Kata comes in now of course it's up to the individual practitioner to include in his forms only the most effective techniques, deemed worthy for practical Street application.👊

this is what I want to focus my next 20 years on is kata.

I remember having to do Kata to get my yellow belt for the Ishinnryu Karate school I went to.

My instructors just used Katas as a lazy way to steal money from me, and that really pissed me off

There's a term for that. It's called Muscle Memory. How it works? I have no idea, has something to do with Motor Function obviously, but I wouldn't be able to go into detail about that.

Great video 👍 But I don't need chord in the back ground bro the rugged voice of sir Rogan is good enough.

That’s awesome

Karate Culture, I love your videos, but I wish you would list the sources of the clips you use. Any chance you remember the video where the clip at 1:00 comes from?

mis respetos.

He does not mention Kata. He talks of visualising techniques as they would be used. Not the robotic, stop start, leave your arm sticking out silliness that even Karate-ka don't do in a fight.

@typhoonic

6 жыл бұрын

I agree the practice of leaving your punching arm out there definitely needs to end. I used to do traditional martial arts that had me doing that before I got into MMA. It severely messed up my muscle memory for fighting. A lot of the stuff I did was honestly pretty useful, but the holding the arm out thing is absolute cancer that needs to go!

@jake3922

6 жыл бұрын

He mentions drilling and practicing, what do you think kata are?

@boliussa

6 жыл бұрын

+Jacob Kata involve moving around punching the air. Not a useful drill

@7991612

6 жыл бұрын

+boliussa I dont think Joe talks about kata either, still shadowboxing is an important part of every stand up martial art. Moving around, visualizing an opponent in front of you and punching is essential, as it improves footwork allows you to imbed combinations into your game more easily. Im not a fan of karate though

@jake3922

6 жыл бұрын

+boliussa then shadowboxing is also a useless drill.

Boom, mindset and neurological mastery.

i hope that karate can became again efective as a self defense technique, i sincerely hope so.

Joe Rogan is my spirit animal

damn i need to go to sleep but i want to do some martial arts

Enjoy your channel I am wondering What channel \s where the two American Wrestling drills From, I have a Nephew who will be a freshman in HS and I would like to get better acquainted with some foundations. Thank you!

@Leonidas3888

6 жыл бұрын

Seamus G from gary colats channel

@hkchris1

6 жыл бұрын

It’s Cary Kolat an amazing wrestler and coach

@whateveratdotcom

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Found it. Train Safe Train well!

Kata by many is very misunderstood, but holds very valuable lessons within each techniques, but most of all, strategy!!!

Agreed, I think about fighting all day when I am bored. ​

Rogan describes one of the advantages of training in kata. But Karate katas and Chinese forms are really encyclopedias of technique. One major problem is that the instructors forget (or weren't taught) the real technique....so the moves become interpreted as blocks and punches. For example, I'm a Bagua stylist. And if you watched one of the forms, you would think it was about coordination, balance, and flow. But the form is really teaching a series of neck breaks. And that has been mostly lost through the generations. Whenever you start hearing that a kata is about developing Ki (or Chi), it means the instructor didn't learn the techniques involved, or isn't teaching them. Karate katas (and Chinese forms) were developed to pass on technique in an easy to remember form. And these techniques were used to kill enemies in combat. So when it looks like a block, look deeper. I'm only talking about the striking arts with kata. The grappling and throwing arts are different.

What is the name of the first kata on the beach

traditional martial arts is good for looking at the past and finding little things that can be implamented in modern fighting. problem with kata is you can't use it for anything but demonstration, you might pick up a little few moves here and there but at the end of the day proper bag work, fitness, and pressure testing will always be the superior method for improving your skills. kata dosen't like to work well with others outside of its element which is why a lot of fighters don't give it any attention there's just no point. there are better options to train your self defence

Yeah I don't think anyone would argue with the idea of moving through techniques or simulating them. Shadowboxing... solo drills etc... thats all good. The bullshit is "practicing" movements that have no basis or connection to fighting or combat, essentially a stylized dance, and calling it martial arts.

@adammills9715

6 жыл бұрын

hard2hurt Completely agree I'm amazed at how so many people still practice traditional kata exactly as you describe when there's an abundance of historical evidence showing it as a close range infighting system

@notmyname3681

6 жыл бұрын

No, the 'bullshit' is people practicing kata or forms without understanding the underlying function of the movements involved. Unless you're studying something totally daft (and some martial arts schools have become detached from reality), every movement in a form should have a fighting funtion, but if you don't understand that it may well seem abstract and to have no 'basis or connection to fighting or combat'.

@adammills9715

6 жыл бұрын

Daniel Sanchez Yes, there's absolutely nothing wrong with anyone practicing the art side of things. If someone wants to practice kata for astethic reasons or to compete with it or just because it feels good more power to them. And yes, it definitely can be a lot of fun! But we need to define context and that is almost never done. Problems arise when people do the arts side of the martial arts and then claim that it is useful in fighting or self protection. Nobody is walking around claiming that their ballet skils are particularly useful in violent encounters, or worse, teaching it as such. Likewise, I think the same should be applied in the martial arts. There needs to be clear cut lines between what is suitable for art, what is suitable for competitive fighting and what is suitable for self protection. So if you're teaching kata and claiming it's useful in combat, you should be spending most of the time drilling the bunkai and sparring with the kata.

@hard2hurt

6 жыл бұрын

runny warm actually I spent nearly 10 years of my life learning kata and believing all that shit you just said. I taught them to other people... then my first day in a gym that actually teaches how to fight I got my ass kicked by a guy who has been there 3 months. It's not too late man. If you're chambering punches at your hip and punching air only... you're not learning combat or martial arts. You're doing stylized dance.

@hard2hurt

6 жыл бұрын

runny warm that big list of things you said are developed in actual training... sparring, rolling, drilling, shadowboxing... rehearsed movements unrelated to actual fighting techniques is the least efficient method of learning. Getting popped in the nose teaches you timing, range and footwork much better than any kata.

At my age, I still do Heian Shodan and Nidan just to stay flexible. Rogan makes sense.

100% right

Pleasantly surprised by Rogan's understanding here, nice.

I did two types of traditional Karate back in the day and you know what pisses me off? Hitting and kicking air. Doing kata - we had a shotokan BB who did super hard kata. But we hung a heavy bag and I saw him go over and try to kick it and he couldn't. The bottom of his foot would brush the side of the bag. No actual penetration geometry into an object. So those people were delusional and that is not karate.

there is no need to bring back practical karate, just join a Kyokushin dojo.

My hand hit all by itself. Bruce Lee

Joe Rogan is the greatest and most unbiased voice in Martial Arts and should be treated as such. lol

Not bad Joe. Good going!

That means, to really get the benefits of practicing kata, you have to know the meaning of the movements

Joe Rogan would hate this video

I remember when I was a kid how katas fried my brain up. It was like trying to memorize a math equation. Eh am just dumb, but whew glad I made it to black belt.

I may be completely incorrect but Joe wasn't talking about Kata. Visualization and Kata are not the same thing. I don't do kata but I do visualize two things that don't necessarily connect.

Can someone explain to me please what is the reasoning behing Kata? I mean why do you do it?

@Spector06111

5 ай бұрын

Its to fill lesson time and make students appear work to get their belts in taekwondo and karate without any actual fighting skills. Thats pretty much it. It serves absolutely no practical purpose. Imagine a baseball team spending an hour everynight of training going out into the middle of field doing choreographed motions of swinging baseball bats in some weird style that have absolutely no use in actually making them a better player 🤷🏻‍♂️ Thats right they dont, they just train skills that are actually needed or do practice games.

He didn't even mention katas. He could've taken the piss out of katas, punching the air.

Just like wrestlers taking the ref down not knowing the fight was already stopped because they we're rocked.

Oss!

I study taekwondo,I'm a first degree black belt,but I will help you bring back karate,real karate and real taekwondo

@Cyrx686

6 жыл бұрын

Angel Jupiter TKD could really benefit from that. I would love to see that

@Tyler-dd9cl

6 жыл бұрын

Cyrx686 I know right, Taekwondo is so lame right now it was never a sport, you don't even see any kicks all you see is tap dancing 😂😂😂

@aurelianspodarec2629

6 жыл бұрын

How long did you train for you black belt?

@Tyler-dd9cl

6 жыл бұрын

Aurelian Spodarec 4 years

@aurelianspodarec2629

6 жыл бұрын

Considering you have trained only kicks, 4years is reasonable. It'll take you another 4years for the hands xd

Joe "I know how to tie my shoe" Rogan

BJJ practicioners have started to use kata in their training. Many of them have always been quick to say how useless it is, but then you see videos of someone doing movements for a certain technique. Interesting 🤔.....

Never once described Kata.

@buzztrucker

6 жыл бұрын

Hilarious but true. This is what has tainted the basis of many martial arts. The deviation from the practice of the fundamentals and not understanding the basis of why martial arts practice/implement certain things is why you have a discombobulated arena of martial arts styles.

@ysammo214

6 жыл бұрын

what do you think Kata is? its basically what he was talking about. Creating those automatic sharpened neural connections in your brain to your muscles through repetitive training and form correction. Thats Kata.

@CodyCannon11

6 жыл бұрын

YSAmmo I don't disagree that is basically what a kata is, but that isn't what Joe said. When Joe talks about that, it is because you have practiced it with a partner several times. Context is important. Just because we can think of another time when it works in a different context does not mean the original speaker was saying this. He compares it to BJJ, which has Zero Kata. Words are important, the fact he avoids using the word Kata says something on its own. I am not against Kata, but I don't wish to put the words in his mouth, especially when he often dismisses a kata-like structure with training in his podcasts all the time.

training kata and training some shadow boxing are 2 complete different things. Joe Rogan probably didn1t mean that training kata is a good way to improve your fighting skills

Kata/Forms is what it all begins

@666Havers

3 жыл бұрын

No. They single person self defence drills comes first. Then Kata was just a template to the lessons you should already have deeply ingrained from the partner drills. Train Kata alone as a memory tool to not forget the partner drills.

@akrocuba

3 жыл бұрын

@@666Havers respectfully I have to disagree. I have seen students, both children and adults, that can't even through a punch or a kick let alone defend themselves. I like to get them moving at least to know how to through some techniques.

Bretty gud :DDD

Just last night I watched some of the IKA tournaments on TV. Lots of Kata with back flips, screaming, waving of the arms, and flashy uniforms. Man that ain't Tang So Do I learned many years go (and practiced for almost 40 years.) It is just way to commercialized. As for Kata, it should be based on realistic offensive and defensive techniques and tactics and breed, as Massad Ayoob once said, unconscious competence. For that is how you end up going 'on automatic' and say inside your opponents OODA loop.

Well, he was talking about something slightly different. JR was talking about visualisation, as in simply thinking about the movements, not actually doing them.

@karatecampus

6 жыл бұрын

Thinking about a movement goes into the subconscious and your body IS the subconscious. All your muscles, with their reflexes, muscle memory and nerve ending are also part of the brain. So it all connects and is still the same thing, whether you just visualize or actually do something.

1:26 who is this?

@ninthkaikan1544

3 жыл бұрын

Mike Tyson

@Bfr3shBrian

3 жыл бұрын

@@ninthkaikan1544 Now that you mention it, it should have been obvious to me. Thanks!

Do not think. Feel.

So many people in so many different traditional martial arts teach flawed kata. Because they have been taught flawed kata. Style over substance. Unless you know how to apply the kata what you teach will be flawed . If you know how to apply the kata then the kata will be real. This means it may not look exactly like the stylised form you were first taught . This is also OK. . To much emphasis especially in traditional gradings is placed on the style .not enough on the substance. In aikido and traditional jujitsu all kata are two man forms .. I remember one of my instructors telling me " your hand is held to low when you finish that throw" so I asked "what does it matter where my hand is ? Does it add power or set me up for the next throw if I hold it higher?" My instructor told me " no it makes no difference at all it is just what the grading panel want to see " I was a first Dan going for second by my 3rd Dan I understood it had to be my own . I took the grading displayed the kata some 200 locks and throws ... my peers loved had never seen it done like that . The panel not so much . I had moved into substance not style .. as I was leaving the grading I overheard another 5th Dan saying to the panel ."you only failed him because you do not understand what he just did nor could any of you do it ". He was right I was given my 3rd Dan some six months later because the association knew they had screwed up. That panel had 6th and 7th Dans on it . Who have very graceful kata. Can pull off a great Demo. . But have no substance. . One of my students now after a few months training would beat the crap out of them. After that fiasco I train only what I need . Any kata I used to do are now drills based in reality .. we are all substance and no style .. and I'm better for it . I am also not attached to any association nor do I grade or give out grades . We train what works by pressure testing it constantly. I firmly believe that if traditional martial arts want to stay relevant they need to lose the style and look at the substance. . 2 simple questions 1 does it work 2 can I do it under pressure Apply those questions to kata / drills . And you will discover what your traditional arts purpose is .

This message is for the guys who is disrespectful to the traditional martial arts. To my Bjj, Sambo and fellow wrestlers. I can't speak for every student or instructor but my Karate Instructor taught me there is Grappling in Karate. From the outside looking in you would never knew that. And that's is in our Katas too!

Wax on, wax off.

video talks about taekwondo... bring karate back?

Hey, all I was told was learn to do the punch so well you forget how to do the punch. Consciously, I mean. Learn it to where you don’t have to think about it. Honestly, I’m starting to forget how it initially felt to throw a punch, all awkward and clumsy and thinking through every move.

there is practicing moves without a partner. We all understand the value of that. Sometimes without a partner and without even a bag, you can see what's wrong with your move that much clearer. Absence of other objects allows the brain to concentrate on the only thing that's left - your own movement. But then there is doing highly stylized moves that in a fighting context simply do not make sense. I do believe there are dead things in the Karate curriculum. And that if we collectively don't shed them Karate will die. Look at Ku-do. They have kihon - but the passive hand is at defending position, not pulled all the way back. They have kihon, but they do it in a fighting stance. I'd say that's the way forward.

He wasn't talking about doing katas!

Muscular memory.

Dude kata is so stiff it doesn't work. Does fighters move in fighting like people perform kata? No dude, I've never seen a fighter used kata reflex technique in fighting.

@Spector06111

5 ай бұрын

Reminds me of the blocks you do in taekwondo forms/poomsae absolutely pointless and not even sure why they teach it. Glad I got out of taekwondo and just got into kick boxing instead.

wu wei

Effective kata IS shadowboxing. Practicing combinations is useful. Kata is shadowboxing against multiple attackers For kata to be effective, you are supposed to visualize being attacked and execute combos as if you were fighting a live opponent.

@aurelianspodarec2629

6 жыл бұрын

GSP is a traditional Karate Kyokushin 'master'. And he beat every single MMA figheer and is a champion. Tell that to GSP. But I agree wtih you, however Kata is not all bout that either. You have soemthing like dance moves which make your brain 'better', same as playing an instrument. Kata is bettter for discipline etc... But yeah, it's better to do kixkboxing/fighting than kata at first. Shoudn't force people to do kata in my opinion as for beginners it's a awaste of time. Karate is bullshit, apart from Kyokushing and maybe Shotkan.

@aurelianspodarec2629

6 жыл бұрын

Karate inefficient stances are bad indeed, they are for something else. But let's forget about the inefficient stuff. Yes, like you say "Kyokushin" karate is like kickboxing. Andy Hug, know him? Yeah, went to K1 from Kyokushin. I'm saying Karate Kyokushin because other karate is bullshit, maybe shotkan not. Yes, that's what I'm looking at now as well, at boxing more than anything else. I think having good boxing skills with the karate would make you special in the 'karate' tournament. I'm 100% sure about it. It made someone special in the UFC as well. So boxing is the way out apart from legs. Grapling is very important. Evne in boxing they graple. They stop the fight, but they graple. So grapling is important. Yeah, I agree with you on that one. At the end a style is nothing else than a phylosophy and training. Kyokushin is good because it's just like kickboxing, that's why it's 'special' in my opinion. And there are other traits as well to it of course.

@cjohnson123able

6 жыл бұрын

Kata alone will not make you a fighter. Bottom line is you have to spar. Kyokushin emphasizes sparring and learning how to give and take blows. Karate has been around far too long for it to not work. Problem is all of the McDojos giving people a false sense of security. The issue is where you learn more than what you learn.

@aurelianspodarec2629

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I agree with you. Good that I wasn't at a McDojo when I started to learn first. Sparing is bare hands full boom! I mean, full power. While even the 'traditional' non kyokushin karate might be legit, they are nothing near realistic because they training just suck. That's why I don't like other styles of karate because I don't want to be associated with McDojo where you are a karateka that can't tak a full blow to your body or defend your self against somewhat bigger oponent, like you see in TV where the Judo guy or whatever was taken down by some dude that was bigger, but then again, that guy didn't seem he knew what he was doing + he used unrealistic techniques that will not work against a resisting oponent, so that guy just took the advantage of it. Let's be honest, many MA or McDojos, but even some legit ones train stuff that will enver work in real life, such as knife block or whatever shit. I agree with you on that one tho.

@cjohnson123able

6 жыл бұрын

Again, it depends on the training. The Marines teach karate and other arts including defending against knife attacks. Some techniques do work. Nothing is foolproof however, but you do have a clue if you come against it.

He's not talking about kata. I'm pretty sure Joe Rogan actively mocks kata and shit like that.

Thank god he isn’t shitting on the martial art I practice

My only issue with kata when I see these ridiculous age discrepancies with these babies that are like secondary black belts. And they don’t compete in any tournaments so they know forms, but they can’t apply their skills to true combat competition. I came in as an orange belt and because I used to kick box I was laying out all kinds of upper rank belts. I thought it was because I was more skilled, but it wasn’t. It was just because I had actually had an immersive balance training. I think the beauty of the form is important for technique, but I think you have to have sparring or some kind of physical engagement beyond just the forms and transitions.

wrestling drills, shadow 🥊 boxing drills ARE NOT THE SAME AS karate katas, 🥋 Kung fu forms, wing Chung forms this video blurs the lines.

@Spector06111

5 ай бұрын

Imagine applying kata to other sports like baseball, football, tennis etc or recreations like fishing or mountain biking etc etc. It would just be a complete waste of time. Which is why no other sports or recreations implement this nonsense. They just focus on actually doing the techniques where they are meant to be applied.

Joe I was a head bouncer in Downtown Seattle. I was trained in Dux Ryu Ninjitsu and I created my own martial art. I was teaching Martial Tai Chi before anybody in the West knew about it. We met at Whole Foods when I worked for them in Woodland Hills and I asked you about the death of SNL character Phil Hartman. I was fired from Whole Foods after 12 year of employment with the company because my Ban Sharia advocacy went viral and they categorized it as hate speech. Do you remember me? you were there with your family. adstc.wordpress.com/

I don't know this video seemd like it was trying way too hard to have a reasont o make a vdieo and call everything kata. It's not even about kata and the other things like the wrestling guy are not doing kata. Only the Karate guys are doing Kata. This channel interprets kata sometimes in a good way but often is very weird ways and they don't seem to have anyone else but each other to train with. Honestly there are better things to use to talk about Kata than Joe friggin Rogan.

I agree with Rogan here, but he never actually mentioned kata. Have you ever see an up block, or low block, or a punch from the hip in a fight? In any fight? The reason kata are largely a waste of time is because they include too many impractical techniques. If a kata included primarily useful techniques, it would be worth practicing.

@aurelianspodarec2629

6 жыл бұрын

Whle I agree with you on some techniques that are unrealistic, which there are few of them... I don't think you understand what the up block or low block actually are for. They aren't meant to be used in an MMA fight. More likely if someone is to smash a bottle in your head, you move out of the way while blocking or either go in, but whatever you can do for the moment to save you. The hip punch, I'd assume you're talking about the snap punch from side hips on a horse stance? yeah, whatever. Like I said, not all is perfect. Or a double block with hands for a kick... again, that's unrealistic sure. Can it be used? Probably yes, if he guy is 2ft taller and is kicking you, but then, better to move out of the way. Kata does have techniques that are usefull, it depends what sort of kata it is as well. Kata is visualsation and pracitcing techniques that you aquired, it's a drill basically. Everyone does some sort of kata in every style, be it boxing or kixkboging, it's just not called kata. Know what I mean? Even tho Karate kta is more complicated and you're training something that'll never happen, that's not the point of it from my understanding and training. Some things are there. I'm talking from Kyokushin perspective anyway, as I do honestly think, aybe apart from Shotkan, every single other Karate is totally BULLSHIT. Kata is also harder to understand. It's better to do Kixkboxing and pure Kumite style instead of kata at first in my opinion. Then you can work on other stuff.

@MrUzzynator

6 жыл бұрын

chrokeii Exactly, couldn't agree more.

@adammills9715

6 жыл бұрын

chrokeii I think the issue isn't that kata are full of impractical techniques but that interpretation of the kata are generally awful. For example "knife hand block" in a deep stance doesn't make a lot of sense as it's usually applied, but it's very useful when applied as a frame from the clinch. With regard to the hand on the hip, the historical evidence suggests that the original reason behind this was to seize and pull the enemies limbs or clothing and draw them onto the shot

Theres a difference of visualising and just performing movements that were taught to you without application, its not freestyle, its not applicable.

Joe is NOT talking about kata...

Joe isn't talking about Kata here. He has said many times that Kata is a waste of time.

After 4 years of TKD, I'd rather would have had more sparring than forms/kata. Better to at least pretend fight real people than... the air.

Kata helps create muscle memory in which during a fight a block, a punch or kick may fly from you for no reason just because of your training. Katas also incorporate proper breathing techniques.

@briansheeran4185

6 жыл бұрын

Sam Hatcher - How can it assist muscle memory, when the way techniques are performed in Kata bears no resemblance to how they are performed in fighting?

@P5YKHOTIK

6 жыл бұрын

Brian Sheeran Katas give you a base in which to start from. cannot stress enough the importance of breathing. I agree with your comment to a point, when we watch people fight usually we can tell if their background is karate or Taekwondo or Muay Thai or Judo. most start with a particular style and branch from it in hopes that they find what works best for them. Goju is good. True Talent is just hard to beat no matter they started.

@briansheeran4185

6 жыл бұрын

Sam Hatcher - No. I'm not having that. Plenty of people fight well without Kata. It is an outdated training method that came from people who didn't know any better. And it's accepted by people who believe that the Emperor is wearing new clothes.

This speech isn't about kata.

Someone can visualize while doing Kata but Kata isn't visualization. It's also not really what he's talking about. Certain Kata builds extremely bad habits and the opposite of what someone like Rogan would support. Not all visualization and training are created equal.

@adammills9715

6 жыл бұрын

Vesuvius Yeah that's true. I'd say the way most people practice kata does foster bad habits. Visualisation training can obviously be benefitial but its very limited. Most perform kata without even visualising and focus on the asthethics etc. (Which is fine if your objective is just to be able to do a visually pleasing form.) I've often heard karateka say that this isnt good enough and to use kata to become a better combatant you must "vissualise" the enemy. I think thats nowhere near enough though. If you are going to train kata in a pragmatic context then you have to drill it realistically in a historically accurate way and generally at clinch range with a partner. But that still isn't optimal, I would say you also need to practice applying the kata in live sparring with a resisting opponent.

@matthewbaumann630

6 жыл бұрын

What bad habits does it create?

@adammills9715

6 жыл бұрын

Matthew Baumann Hi, I think practicing kata in the modern (post 1950s) way does create bad habits. That's not to say there aren't some great Karateka out there who practice kata practically, there definitely are. This applies to "3 K karate" 1. Weird positioning: the kata is portrayed as a choreographed battle where the hero stands defiantly in the centre while enemies assume their positions on the compass points. Rather than attempting to burst out of this circle the Karateka allows the enemies to attack them one at a time. Instead of interpreting the kata as being a collection of lessons and drills it's seen as a pre set mock fight which really screws with the learning process. 2. Angles. The karateka doesnt seek to get off at an angle on his enemy. The historical evidence from mabuni and miyagi is really clear on this one, the angle you take during a kata sequence does not represent the angle your enemy attacks from, it represents the angle you shift to relative to the enemy. 3. Distance: kata is usually applied from an incredibly long distance which is possibly a result of the influence of kenpo. Kata was originally applied at close range as this accurately reflects civilian violence. 4.karate vs. Karate. Kata is generally applies against karate techniques and almost always a step through lunge punch from ten feet away. The writings of Itosu was clear that kata was not designed for fighting other fighters but for protection against "villains and ruffians" I.e. criminals. 5. Encouragement of "weird techniques": due to its move away from infighting and grappling, modern karate kata are often interpreted in odd ways that encourage bad habits. For example, the hand on the hip or "chamber". Once again, the historical evidence suggests their was a practical reason for pulling one hand back to the hip. It was to pull the enemies clothing or limbs with one hand as you strike or grapple them with the other. This method was gradually phased out during the early 20th century leaving Karateka with the weird habit of brining an empty fist to the hip. 6. Little connection to sparring: There is a massive dissconect between kata and sparring in modern karate. They don't look anything alike. This is because kata is designed for close range combat and most karate sparring is done at points fighting range. When it is attempted to apply kata at this range rather than at clinch or wrestling range it generally doesn't work because it wasn't designed for that. 7. No logical progression: firstly individual kata are not taught as a complete fighting system with a structured lesson plan but as a collection of random techniques. Secondly, the sequences within them have no logical progression I.e. the enemy throws a front kick, then a back fist, then a punch etc. As opposed to: you are clinched with the enemy, you elbow them in the head, a natural response to this is to protect the head so you strip the limb that's protecting the head and follow up etc. The lack of logical progression and application of kata against random sequences means it is of extremely limited use to the person learning it. Anyway there's a few possible bad habits. This is just my understanding of things and I fully accept I may be mistaken :) To reiterate: There are plenty of good, practical Karateka out there practicing kata in a pragmatic way!

@matthewbaumann630

6 жыл бұрын

I agree. I heard that the original kata were a bit different but they were modified to teach kids. I'm not sure how true that is. I feel that a lot of Karate teachers don't really understand what the kata mean or the application of each move. Sensei Tsuruoka always told us kata is the beginning of fighting.

@adammills9715

6 жыл бұрын

Matthew Baumann I've heard that too and am also not sure how true it is. The oldest records of kata that I'm aware off don't show much of a difference but by the time a lot of these photos were taken in the early 1900s kata had already started to be taught in Okinawan schools. Maybe kata was altered, maybe it wasn't. Nevertheless, one thing we think we can be fairly certain of is the way kata was practiced changed dramatically. Many well known Karateka like funakoshi, motobu, mabuni and miyagi talk about how training was different when they were young and that it contained a lot more grappling an throws. I also agree and think it's fair to say many karate teachers don't have practical aplucations for the movement in kata

Traditional martial arts don't matter. Modern Martial Arts don't matters. Fighting that works in a context that is practicable and effective in competition matters. I could care less about tradition or not. In fact fuck tradition, it holds you back. There is no reason to keep it.

The only comparison with real combat is shadow boxing ...other than that it's a a choreographed dance and worth less in real combat !!

It seems Joe Rogan is having a problem reconciling his MMA interest with his traditional Martial arts experience. I believe he knows better then to advocate a thing that is out of control. Now he is beginning to see the truth of where he belongs.. I hope its real Joe, great choice of words.

@mrrhombus716

6 жыл бұрын

He wasn't talking about Kata, he was talking about visualization of actual effective techniques.

@TheYuzekai

6 жыл бұрын

Mr Rhombus Thanks for that analysis, because nor did I speak about kata, you did... Theres more then Kata in Traditional Martial arts my friend. Enjoy the video.

This doesn’t validate kata… what you rehearse in Kata don’t apply to fight

@seekersudarshan2078

Жыл бұрын

Yeah sparring is better

@Spector06111

5 ай бұрын

Kata/poomsae is a waste of time. It just makes you become rigid. You need to be flexible when fighting and adapt techniques that go with the way your own body moves.

if you truly think this why slag off at martial arts in general? a lot of hypocrisy I think