Joan was blessed that her own career outlasted Carson’s and so her legacy was secured. She died with several generations of fans who, like me, will miss her for the rest of their lives.

@albertlyons1042

3 жыл бұрын

I get what you're saying, but with all due respect: Carson retired. Unlike Rivers, who worked until her death, or Letterman, who eventually returned with Netflix specials, Carson walked away from it all and never looked back. It's not like I would know the answer, but he either wanted to enjoy a full retirement away from the race to stay relevant (without the Tonight Show), or he recognized as a performer that the Tonight Show provided him with a "call and response" that he was never likely to have in any subsequent endeavors. Whatever his reasons, and I don't mean this as criticism, he never offered the public the chance to reject him or to embrace him once again. So Joan's career didn't outlast Johnny's, so much as she continued working long after he decided he could never do anything to top 30 years on the Tonight Show.

@VBN59Z

3 жыл бұрын

Carson today is effectively forever forgotten. Millennials and zoomer‘s have no idea who he is and when they do they find him and unfunny and uninteresting and quickly forget after being told who he is. Joan Rivers is Timeless and everyone knew she was

@albertlyons1042

3 жыл бұрын

@@VBN59Z I loved Joan Rivers until she supported Steve Forbes and realized how repugnant her politics were; I was never really able to enjoy her comedy after that. Still, your point that Carson is long forgotten is correct, as are many other pop culture icons of our youth. That's not a slam on his staying power, that's just the way things are. My point was that Rivers career did not outlast Johnny's. Johnny Carson quit the business after 30 years on the top. Rivers never quit working until her dying day, with all of the ups and downs one experiences when they've worked all of their adult life. I think she worked twice as hard as any man in the business and was driven by the fear that it could all be taken away from her, as it almost was following the death of her husband. In a fair, equitable world, she'd have earned as much as Carson and would have had the same retirement options.

@judyroks

3 жыл бұрын

@@VBN59Z I’m 25 and I know and love Carson , but I also love Rivers and love her . It’s a shame they fell out .

@mki441

2 жыл бұрын

Carson who?

I miss her so much it hurts....she went thru so much needless pain and sadness in her life and I can remember her going thru it as it happened...RIP Joan and Edgar!!

@mattbernabe

5 жыл бұрын

Michael Simon I know what you mean. I didn't know her personally, but I loved her and miss her so damn much. I was born in 88, too young to know what was going in between her and Carson. I don't like seeing her hurt and in pain. The treatment Carson gave her after he stopped talking to was despicable. She clearly adored him and was forever grateful. This got me teary eyed. I almost stopped watching it cause I didn't want to see her cry. The other time that almost made me cry as at the beginning of her documentary 'A Piece of Work.' When she was discussing how difficult the previous year was for her, and that her biggest fear was to have an empty calendar. It made me tear up cause I hated that she was going through a rough time in her career and you can tell she was worried if her career would ever come back. But so glad her career finally came back and became bigger than ever. Love this woman.

@valkinsora

5 жыл бұрын

@@mattbernabe k

@honestwithmywordshughes3783

4 жыл бұрын

She certainly was a Remarkable Person. The oh so temperament obstacles of her life and difference in ( society ) public opinion has caused a lot of people ( stars ) to fade away. The birth of a new decade is always accompanied with a new generation of youth and trends. Throughout her career she was able to remain successful by opening the door to anything or anyone considered too be Taboo. She was a leader to all of the women employed in what was considered to be a male profession, and a role Model to Every Little Girl Pushed Aside or Held Back from pursuing Her Dreams !!!!!!!!!!! Thank You Joan, We Love And Miss You.💪 💋💖💕💝💟💜💛!!!!!

@rucsric

Жыл бұрын

Miss Joan so much!! Love her!!

Joan Rivers was really loved here in the UK, and when she had bad times in America, she knew all she had to do was fly over to Britain and she would be loved. We loved her wicked sense of humour. The talk shows here adored her, from the great Graham Norton, to the family friendly Des O'Connor to the satirical wit of Clive Anderson, she was a regular on our talk shows. Johnny Carson did us a favour when he rejected and cold shouldered her in 1986, we gained, and that cold fish Carson lost.

@DeepScreenAnalysis

3 жыл бұрын

Why didn’t British audiences support Joan’s later talk show when it launched in the Uk?

@johnking5174

3 жыл бұрын

@@DeepScreenAnalysis Joan did a BBC talk show in early 1986 and it was a ratings success. However due to her upcoming Fox deal in the US, the BBC could not afford her or get her available to continue working in England. She would however always appear on British shows such as Des O'Connor Tonight, The Bob Monkhouse Show, The Royal Variety Performance, So Graham Norton, The Graham Norton Show etc.

@johnking5174

2 жыл бұрын

@Matthew Miller Sorry, what do you mean?

@markm.5756

2 жыл бұрын

What a nice thing to say John. thank you for sharing this. I am an American living and retired here in the UK. So happy to be here- I can see why Joan loved Britain - people here are so kind.

@johnking5174

2 жыл бұрын

@@markm.5756 I remember the interview she did with Kenneth Williams from the Carry On comedy films, and she adored talking to him. She said he was the perfect talk show guest, as he spoke and spoke, and she had to do very little work. Kenny was king of the talk show guests here in the UK through the seventies and eighties, sadly until his death in 1988.

And then Fallon let her on when he hosted the show… then she passed shortly after. The timing. 🙏🏻

@TheXzaclee16

2 жыл бұрын

I really feel she was just living long enough to get back on that show. Once she did she had come full circle and had no more unfinished business

This woman was truly sincere and Carson screwed her. I remember when it all happened and as much as I love Carson but he wasn’t a nice man and Joan always gave him credit for her career! Show business is a cut throat business but in the end, People will always remember Joan over Carson. She was multifaceted and remained relevant until her untimely death in 2014. RIP Joan, you’ll always be a class act! Xox

@chonaV

4 жыл бұрын

I hear that about Carson. But I don’t know. What was not nice about him? I thought he was very supportive and loved Joan.

@JimmySell

4 жыл бұрын

@@chonaV Carson's TV demeanor was not his true personality. He could be a real pri** and was the singular driving force behind shunning Joan as she described in the tearful video. HE was the reason she wasn't invited on the show in the final weeks and HE was the reason she wasn't permitted to use clips from Joan's performances from the Carson show. He was pissed because her show was up against his in the same time slot . She was a unique individual and her comedy material was all her own. Carson had comedy writers create his monologues. Joan was true to herself. What you saw was her . Carson was a phony and would never have been funny if he had to come up with his own material.

@theresabollman8061

4 жыл бұрын

Joanie was a lot more upset than that when she got the word that Carson had passed. My heart broke for her.

@snagglepussdacat5463

4 жыл бұрын

AMEN to that! Joan was a work horse, a creative genius, and an inspiration to so many... comparing a Hope Diamond to a pebble of sand in the cosmos of talent, warmth, and impact on the American pop-culture. Carson was ungrateful, entitled, and just plain cruel. But I guess we should thank him for that; who knows where your legacy would have ended up if it played out differently. His cultural and professional legacy died with him, while Joan's has lived on. Her intelligence, warmth, work-ethic, determination - and that joy and laughter- continue to impact generations, across the globe. You did it, Joan. You ARE the winner. Your parents are proud, your work touched our hearts, and your legacy will not ever be forgotten. Rest in Paradise.

@godzooke

4 жыл бұрын

Carson was clearly threatened. How sad. Joan was a bigger person, a better comic and had a greater soul x

If Rivers were still with us she would have so much material to work with.

This woman had a work ethic like no other. She suffered yet she never stopped. Bless you Joan.

I miss Joanie so much...nobody like her! Rest in Peace, dear lady.

She was great & we in UK loved her, sadly missed. Queen of Comedy

@johnking5174

5 жыл бұрын

Joan Rivers was really loved here in the UK, and when she had bad times in America, she knew all she had to do was fly over to Britain and she would be loved. We loved her wicked sense of humour. The talk shows here adored her, from the great Graham Norton, to the family friendly Des O'Connor to the satirical wit of Clive Anderson, she was a regular on our talk shows. Johnny Carson did us a favour when he rejected and cold shouldered her in 1986, we gained, and that cold fish Carson lost.

I always thought this lady was ultra funny. Here she is, the epitome of pure class.

What a class act Joan was. Even after how Carson cuts her out of his show and his life, she still thanked him for all he'd done and wishes him well. RIP Joan

When you help someone you wish them success, Miss Rivers success should have been Mr Carson’s as well. It is sad that his ego was more important than their friendship. Joan Rivers was a class act!

@johnking5174

2 жыл бұрын

That is not correct. Remember Dick Cavett was always opposite Johnny with a variety of talk shows, when every new show started and ended, Dick was always invited on to Johnny's show with no problem at all. Johnny used to joke with Dick that when a talk show of Dick's was cancelled he would joke "it will be forces radio next for Dick" - but he had no trouble with competition. It was down to the fact Joan never told him in advance. He barely got 2 days prior notice before the announcement.

@TheCheekymonkey212

2 жыл бұрын

It’s still no excuse for him to be a dick to Joan.

@powerbottomboi5255

Жыл бұрын

@@johnking5174 She barely had notice so what was she supposed to do

I hope you found Peace, Miss Rivers. RIP

What a powerhouse she was right up to the last... loved her.

Wow... she's not devastated.... she's destroyed over it. Bless her heart.

Joan had a stellar career...From everything that was reported Carson was mad because Joan cut her own deal and finally got her own show...she worked for it she earned it and she had every right to it. I liked Carson but he was a real shit as a human being...he was a control freak plain and simple. Joan was funnier on her bad days than Carson was on his good days and he didn't like the competition. Joan was a class act and Carson was a spoiled petulant child. Joan you are missed so much.

@Sawk_King

2 ай бұрын

Beautifully said 🫶🏻

I lost every ounce of respect for Carson. She really was given the raw end of the deal, she was grateful until the end. But Leno’s horrid behavior was equally despicable as Carsons.

Joan Rivers forever Love from Hong Kong

Joan really was a genuine person I never knew all for this had happened to her

@marsnr1

4 жыл бұрын

You should see her Emmy speech on KZread. She almost cries there, it's very touching.

This is the Joan Rivers I grew up with and remember most fondly. Hilarious and yet vulnerable.

She persevered and showed them all in the end. Bravo Joan

Carson & Rivers were both "bigger than life" personalities & talents! So sad that Johnny took the path of bitterness against Joan. It got him nowhere!

Joan was so smart and talented. No won could match her. She went out on top.

I will always LOVE Joan Rivers!

Joan is beyond humble and thankful for johnny. No matter what, she gives him credit. She is class! Even when he wouldn’t talk to her, she still thanks him. Based.

They were so wrong for not at least having her return on Carson's final week. Until Fallon, NBC completely erased her for their history when she was the FIRST woman to ever host a late night show.

Love Joan! Miss her so much, thanks to KZread for the wonderful clips.

Much loved. We miss you Joan!

Joan rivers there will never be another like her!

I miss a lot of the greats, but Joan is one of kind.....she is one of the best ever

This acc made me tear up tbh

Truly heart-wrenching 💔

I’ve always loved Joan, dearly

She was and will always be the greatest comic ever!

My goodness, this is heartbreaking.

Hardest working woman that ever existed on TV. She literally clawed her way back after her husband died, and was being completely dragged around by NBC who wouldn't renew her contract or put her in the running for next host. She did what she had to do and they got bitter about it, despite it being their fault. Throughout her entire life, she commented all the time on how much she still adored Carson, how much she still appreciated him, and how much she missed their friendship. Yet he wouldn't even talk to her. I absolutely love Carson, but this was simply just awful of him.

Joan Rivers - The real thing.

Love Joan 😭💐💖

There are times when the student is better than the teacher. Only a selfish teacher would not open the door for the student to expand. Carson was funny with a guest. Joan could stand on her own and do her own material. I will occasionally watch an old Carson clip. but watching Joan is what I seek out. Thank you Mrs. Rivers for entertaining us.

Wanda Król dziękuję uroczej Pani za wywiad dziękuję pięknie smutny wywiad.dziekuje pozdrawiam z Poland. 😥😥😥😥🌹🕊

Wow! I've never seen this!

When Carson turned his back on her the way he did, it revealed the kind of person he really was. I stopped being a fan. I can’t be a fan of anyone who I don’t respect. She didn’t keep the fact that she was leaving from him, so that he might hear it from someone else or through the media. She called him, told him. What did he do? Hung up on her and never spoke to her again. Joan always always, till the day she died, gave him credit for her career. In this clip, you can see how much it still hurt her, years later.

@jamescarrollau

Жыл бұрын

When Joan's husband Edgar killed himself and Carson didn't say a word, didn't send flowers, didn't even send a note - that sealed my opinion of Johnny Carson. The fact Joan sent him flowers and a note when Carson's son died, and he didn't respond, also speaks volumes. He was a brilliant man on camera but a cold horrible person behind the scenes.

So many people love you Joan

Love you Joan...

Omg I am so sad!! I just wish I could hug poor Joan. She was so strong and treated so unfairly! Joan was such a presence. With a heavy heart still, I miss her terribly! I liked Johnny Carson but this wasn’t fair to Joan. She had a big heart for him and he broke it over ego! I loved you so much Joan! Not only for your humor but for your spirit!

The female version of Don Rickles . Carson was a jerk and got offended because Joan had a once in a life time opportunity to get her own show. But instead of Johnny being supportive and happy for her, he got angry and jealous .

Joan was a CLASS ACT for the ages! What a poignant and funny tribute to her time with Johnny, And even when she shares how ugly the end was (from Carson & NBC), she is STILL so respectful of the opportunity they gave her to succeed. And although she left us much too soon, God knows that she AND Johnny have patched things up on the other side and are making the angels laugh into eternity...

Her stories were always consistent. Judge Judy often tells the idiots on her show "don't lie, tell the truth, less to remember. No matter how far back you go, or how recent, here stories were straight. She was a class act with a mouth like a trash can. Her unique voice, I miss her.

The way she was treated by Johnny Carson and the network was disgusting

@brianreardon7700

3 жыл бұрын

If you crossed Carson back in the day.. he was done with you! End of story lol

I love you Joan

We miss you Joan!

As soon as Fallon got the show, she was on with a long lineup of people. Then she had her guest shot again and SLAYED. LEGEND.

If Joan had just waited, or had go on at a different day or time in the evening.....Johnny would not have considered her timing ("timing, of all things!) like a pie in the face.

Ms Rivers never fully got the flowers she deserved. Ms Rivers, along with the likes of Mr Carlin,should have been awarded the Mark Twain Prize, Kennedy Center Honors , and much more. Ms Rivers is a true LEGEND, she brought us so much joy and laughter for over 50 years and blessed us with her wit, charm and beauty.

This was actually her 500th Daytime Show. It was more successful than her nighttime show.

I am so thankful Jimmy Fallon had her on NBC before she passed. Big props to JF for respecting this legend! I jave always loved his comedy and when he showed her that love and respect my Moms and I cried our eyes out. Love Joan Rivers and Carson is a forgotten memory. I never thought he was funny. I saw him with the Rat Pack and he was out of place and acted like a show off.

@deserthound2605

Жыл бұрын

You never thought Carson was funny and he is a forgotten memory? I loved Joan Rivers too, but your comment is based off emotion, not reality.

@bill-fk7tl

6 ай бұрын

Agreed fallon is the least competent host ever

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Can I post it on my channel? I just want to raise the volume up a bit before I do.

@mormusicclips8959

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for asking first! I certainly don't own this material, so I can't stop you. However, I'm not sure about copying from one persons channel and uploading to your channel. Is that considered okay on KZread?

@Ran-33

5 жыл бұрын

@@mormusicclips8959 I have no idea. I did post parts of interviews before.

@Ran-33

5 жыл бұрын

@@mormusicclips8959 I just wanted to see if I could make the volume better and post it.

Just because she was a woman and Carson has pride . Wanted her for his own success but never thought about her goals .

She died with a broken heart knowing he never forgave her

@sydneyprescott3374

4 жыл бұрын

I'm sure she was fine lol, that was so many yrs ago

@christopherlarue2854

4 жыл бұрын

@@sydneyprescott3374 No, she would still get emotional when she talked about like up until her death.

@_Tovar_

3 жыл бұрын

@@sydneyprescott3374 I personally would never forget the person who gave me a chance in a wonderful life. Would you?

@christinenewhouse6920

3 жыл бұрын

GOD KNOWS JOAN RIVERS HEART..GOD FORGIVES..SHE IS WITH GOD KNOW AND STILL MAKING PEOPLE LAUGH IN HEAVEN.💕🙏🕊😇

The problem with what went down was Joan didn’t tell Carson or anyone about her talk show till literally the last minute. She could have handled it better I think. However I do think Carson and his people overreacted big time. The way they treated her and in essence tried to erase her from the history of the shoe was awful. Johnny really held a grudge. I often think Carson was the bigger star between the two of them but at the same time he retired and never looked back. He rarely made public appearances etc. However Joan kept working and was still as funny and sharp as ever and you could argue she had to work much harder then he did to get where she was.

The NBC executives also had a hand in the Joan Rivers ban from the Tonight Show. After Carson retired, NBC should have insisted she be invited onto the Tonight Show when Leno took over.

In how I see it, this whole hosting thing isn't about fame for her, but survival. She mentioned in many interviews that it's very hard for her to get a job. What would you do if, after all the shortfalls, you finally found an opportunity? And as a friend, what would you do if your friend finally found an opportunity that could secure her future and the future of her child (even if it means competing with you)?

The subtlety I think everyone here is missing is that Joan didn't just leave to do her own show. She was competing directly with Johnny. If someone gives you everything as Joan admits he did, you don't then turn around and try to crush him. I'm a big Leno fan and think 95% of the accusations hurled his way are nonsense, but if people say "It wasn't right to deny Dave the Tonight Show when he made you a star", I don't really have a comeback for that.

@chrismiskell

2 жыл бұрын

They didn't even consider her for Carson's replacement. He basically pushed her out the door and then was mad she took another opportunity. It was petty and vindictive and showed how small of a man he really was.

@mikestevenson576

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrismiskell How did he push her out the door?

@jammzy2959

2 жыл бұрын

She knew he wasn't going to pick her to replace him and she was offered a job at 15x the salary... what would you do?

@mikestevenson576

2 жыл бұрын

@@jammzy2959 Turn it down. 100%. Even with the comparative measly amount of money I make, I do have a boss who completely put me on the map. If I was offered 15x to try to knock him off his perch, it would be a no from me. There are other ways to make money. And in Joan's case, holy cow. Back then she could fill any hall in North America and walk away with 75 grand any night of the week. Thanks, btw, to her exposure on Johnny's show.

@jammzy2959

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikestevenson576 turn it down? You mean turn if off because you obviously can't handle because ythat differ from yours. Then go on to write an essay to elaborate? Stop being a clown. Your boss put you on the map? Great. So what if he was leaving and instead of having you replace him he has someone else who wasn't as good? You would sit there like an idiot and turn down that offer? Smart . The fact that he chose Leno is the subtlety that YOU are missing. When you want to be condescending towardsb"everyone" address ALL the facts.

I am pretty sure when she passed, Carson was waiting for her and said I am so sorry Joan. They are up in Heaven making each other laugh.

@kamuzu

4 жыл бұрын

Childlike view

@PDC1987

4 жыл бұрын

This is the ridiculousness of religion in a nutshell. Johnny Carson was a violent alcoholic who beat the shit out of every woman he fooled around with. He’s in heaven? Really?

@speabody

10 ай бұрын

@@kamuzu No kidding. He acted like a bitch until death, why wouldn’t he continue in the afterlife?

I wonder who the up and comers featured on the show were

I will miss this remarkable lady forever. I think the way Johnny Carson and NBC treated her was absolutely appalling, but Joan managed to rise above it. A lot of people may not associate Joan Rivers with the term "class act," but they are quite wrong. Underneath her loud, brash and acerbic exterior, Joan was a kind and sensitive woman. RIP, Queen.

Johnny broke her heart. Never spoke to her again. I miss Joan Rivers.

Joan accepted her own show in direct opposition to Carsons - after everything he did for her its very understandable he reacted as he did. They both cared deeply about each other it seems to me and their wires got crossed, which is sad. I wish they could have talked.

@misterme9829

4 жыл бұрын

Carson was a liar and manipulator. He strung Joan along for years saying he was going to help her get her own show or name her to take over his. When the producers told her she was not being considered as his replacement that was the final straw. He was going to retire and leave her with nothing but broken promises. He just wanted to control Joan.

@PDC1987

4 жыл бұрын

Please educate yourself. Joan found out she was not in the running to replace him, and that he did nothing to change that. And once again, she was literally offered 15 times the salary.

@MacawOz

4 жыл бұрын

D Jackman, c’mon, please, read more. Joan’s ratings hosting the Tonight Show were higher than Johnny’s. When her contract ended, NBC didn’t want to renew it, that’s when Fox went to her and offered her own show.

Joan Rivers should have been involved in every event of The Tonight Show that disgusting un funnyJay Leno had no right to ban Joan Rivers

Watch JOAN RIVERS STILL TALKING. she explains a lot more hollywood dealings. And how she met husband, split between Johnny Carson and her more details, her husband Edgar handling her Starpower with other high rollers very interesting.

@bill-fk7tl

6 ай бұрын

I hope you hate howard stern After her husband was dead stern said “ I’d commit suicide too if I was married to you”

Damn shame the way Jonny treated Joan...she deserved better.

@johnking5174

3 жыл бұрын

In January 1986 Joan was offered her own talk show to launch in October 1986 on the new Fox network. Fox told her not to mention this to Johnny Carson at all otherwise the deal would be cancelled. It was a $15 million a year Fox deal, NBC were paying her around $2 million for guest hosting Tonight Show. So she kept quiet, said nothing to Johnny. When she appeared on his show in April 1986 he had no idea. One month later the big press conference happened. Johnny was shocked. She never told him at all. Never asked for advice. Not a word. She rung him the day before the press conference, as it had been leaked to the press and Johnny was told. Utter betrayal in his mind, and from May 7th 1986 until his death he never spoke with her again.

Also, to all the Jimmy Fallon haters and bashers out there, and you know who you are, but Jimmy Fallon was the first Tonight Show host who ended the stupid ban of Joan appearing on the show, and he brought her back on his first show on Monday February 17th 2014. Jay Leno and Conan O'Brien continued the ban - even O'Brien. Fallon brought her back, to the original studio at NBC New York where she first appeared on Carson's show on February 17th 1965.

@eltonjohn3236

5 жыл бұрын

Don't forget David Letterman had her back.

@martyinsd

5 жыл бұрын

Everytime Joan hosted The Tonight Show for Carson, she ended the show by saying "...and thank you Johnny for letting me sit here." She did every single time. I know because I saw every episode! She was clearly very grateful to him, and this is how he treats her? Dear Johnny: It Doesn't Cost Anything To Be Nice!

It's heart breaking. Joan took over from him. It's just business. It not personal. An somone will take over from Joan it how the entertainment industry is... I alway thought they make a great double act they bounced of each other extremely well..

I've managed successful, powerful sales people most of my working career. When someone makes a lot of money for your company, makes YOU look good, was loyal and great to work with, if they decide to leave, it's YOUR problem, NOT their fault. You thank them copiously for everything they've done for YOU, and wish them well, staying close friends with them. If you're lucky, they might come back. I had the good fortune of many great sellers who returned, after realizing what they had with us, was better. I made a point of hiring people smarter than I, giving them every measure of support. Carson was a LOUSY manager of people, Great in front of the camera, but a narcissist otherwise. Narcissists make terrible managers. Not surprisingly he died largely alienated from his industry.

Joan did a bad thing with Carson, all she had to do was pick up the phone and call him and say she has an offer from Fox and she feels conflicted and terrible about the whole thing and what should she do, and Carson would have predictably and graciously told her to go and do her own show, but Joan's complete lack of respect and social graces over that matter and doing everything behind his back is what caused that rift.

Interview w/csrson attorney + joan. Joan wsnted 2yrr contract snd 1 yr was offered w/Carson, then they did offer her 2yr contract but she already signef w/fox and then Fox broke the fantastic deal with her wouldn't let her do her thing it was a mess w/ fox. Joan & Carson's attorney after csrson desth talked so fast during interview sometimes. Wstch: "joan rivers still talking". Tells if her life, johnny carson split and husband riff w/hi rollers in the business.

He was so proud and uncompromising; he demanded loyalty and fealty and brooked no deviation. Joan Rivers had EVERY right to seek out her own way with her own show. Carson could not handle even a perceived slight. Rivers crying here is not out of sadness over what happened to her; its over the fact that somebody who had been so wonderful to her, turned his back on her so completely. I completely understand why Carson did it, but its a hell of a way to live.

Everything she said is true and everything she said was genuine. Carson as many people have said was not a nice person. He was jealous and he took it out on her which is not fair she was classy and he was not

It is so sad . Joan just wanted her chance and Carson was jealous . He was good to get her started but couldn't bear to have her outdo him . Love Joan .

I think that both of them were to blame, but I wish they would have resolved their differences. Neither was made better by the scandal.

@AntonioJLee

5 жыл бұрын

elton john well Joan tried and tried and tried and tried some more. It’s only so much a person can do to make peace but it doesn’t work if the other person is being mute and mean!

Joan has always been the bigger person on this issue; what Carson did to her made him look small and petty. And, in the end, Joan was indeed the bigger star by far.

Sometimes u gotta learn to live with regrets

I think her was in love with her.

You have to look it from Johnny's point of view. Carson only found out about her new Fox show ONE day before the press conference where it was to be announced. It came to him like a bolt out of nowhere. She never mentioned it at all (under instruction from Fox) - so Carson felt betrayed. I can understand that. Unlike Carson, I would have spoken to Joan after a year or so, I wouldn't have cut her off 100% like he did.

I did like Carson, but he was very selfish in this situation. She deserved all she got and more. I miss her very much! RIP 🙏🌟

@johnking5174

3 жыл бұрын

You have to look it from Johnny's point of view. Carson only found out about her new Fox show ONE day before the press conference where it was to be announced. It came to him like a bolt out of nowhere. She never mentioned it at all (under instruction from Fox) - so Carson felt betrayed. I can understand that. Unlike Carson, I would have spoken to Joan after a year or so, I wouldn't have cut her off 100% like he did.

@bill-fk7tl

6 ай бұрын

Not sure what the prayers are for??

WOW. who were the 5 comedians ? That is how you do it Joan passed the goodwill forward. she always did that. She took the high ground . She is right about how the executives treated her like the Stalin Purge. Like she did not even exist.

We never learned Carson’s side of this story.

@johnking5174

3 жыл бұрын

Peter Lassally told what happened. Joan never mentioned the Fox deal to Johnny, he only found out from a press leak on the day before her Fox press conference announcing the new show. Johnny was totally blind sighted by it and appalled that she never told him in advance. She was forced not to by Fox, but she could have secretly approached through Peter Lassally. She didn't and he took it as betrayal.

@ScrapNfight

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnking5174 As he should because it was and secretly Rivers, ever the opportunist, knew it and that's what haunted her all those years.

Shouldn't you be so proud when your friend does well as you do or even better? Only an envious, malicious person would do otherwise.

I loved her but she needed to let go, what else can you do when someone you loved or liked stop talking to you and move on as if you never existed, you let go, I know it's easier said than done but that's what life it's all about.

No one of course would come out and say anything while Carson was alive but he was Small in many ways. Mean drunk. And Nasty to people that he thought he could get away with it. Obviously beloved by the audience but many people that went on the show and did something he didn't like EVER was invited back. Obviously, Joan was one of them. Sad really

In January 1986 Joan was offered her own talk show to launch in October 1986 on the new Fox network. Fox told her not to mention this to Johnny Carson at all otherwise the deal would be cancelled. It was a $15 million a year Fox deal, NBC were paying her around $2 million for guest hosting Tonight Show. So she kept quiet, said nothing to Johnny. When she appeared on his show in April 1986 he had no idea. One month later the big press conference happened. Johnny was shocked. She never told him at all. Never asked for advice. Not a word. She rung him the day before the press conference, as it had been leaked to the press and Johnny was told. Utter betrayal in his mind, and from May 7th 1986 until his death he never spoke with her again.

We all miss Johnny

He did her dirty but she got the last laugh in the end.

Leno came right behind Carson and was just as much of a d.

Joan Rivers was more of a success internationally. I am Australian...and we LOVED Joan Rivers! If you asked any Australian on the street who was Johnny Carson...they would have no idea. I understand he was very popular in USA...almost revered like a God...but when i have watched clips of Johnny here on KZread: i found him to be bland and talentless. He just played "The Straight Man" to his guests. I'm not impressed. I guess you had to be there. In Australia, we don't really have the American concept of these old white men hosting Late Night shows in suits. They all act/look the same! So boring. We loved politically-incorrect humor like Joan!!!

It breaks my heart to see Joan Rivers heartbroken I like Carson he wiped her out for the wrong reasons which is jealousy such a shame they were good friends Carson couldn't handle the fact she was gonna become a bigger star and leaving his show to do her own no one deserves to be treated like that sometimes when your recognised and getting attention people can turn on You it's not nice

Yeah that was terrible she had every right to do the right thing by her and her daughter and Carson should have offered to be a guest on her show that's nasty at all costs well you were straight foward and funny and loved R.I.P

She also "talked" to him visiting a park near Melissa's house in his name. It is so sad. He was such a sad, miserable man. He should have been happy for her and instead he was jealous.

Successful men are often so threatened when a woman surpasses them.