The JJprise is larger than a Galaxy class because at the time the last minute they realized the shuttle was out of scale. Rather than fixing this they went "Eh" and just scaled the JJprise up. This results in the bridge windows being 12 feet tall on the outside compared to 6 feet tall on the inside but quality and consistency was not a target goal.

the refit Enterprise is so elegant next to that JJ ship thing. I'm just old, grumpy & set in my ways..i might well have outlived my usefulness, but I still adore the Motion Picture Enterprise.

@draco-amercon

2 жыл бұрын

You're none of those things, I think you might be mistaken good taste with being incalcitrant. JJ hack -brums counterfeit-apprise has one feature that's lots lens flare.

@Idazmi7

2 жыл бұрын

Dude, I'm a _millennial_ and I'll take the Motion Picture Enterprise over this Abrams/Kurtzman atrocity any day of the week. Not just the ship, but the movie, too.

@TheWhaller

2 жыл бұрын

If you want a proper “update” the Discovery/Strange New Worlds looks gorgeous. So much better than the gaudy JJ one.

@jamesdaltrey2340

Жыл бұрын

@@TheWhaller Agreed - I can't stand the nacelles on the JJ one. Makes it look a little ridiculous.

@commandosolo1266

Жыл бұрын

Right there with 'ya. Because motion pictures have a wider aspect ratio than the old NTSC TVs, the art department widened the angle between the nacelle struts so Emterprise would properly fill the frame. The modern SNW version has shifted even more, with a shorter "neck." Abrams, despite working in a feature, narrowed the strut angle. He just doesn't understand how Enterprise is supposed to work, visually. ( kzread.info/dash/bejne/l2qGo8R7aMTMnpM.html )

It was never about the ships, it was always about the charecters. JJ lost so hard.

@M60gunner1971

Жыл бұрын

JJ Gabrams

The refit enterprise is the best one out of all of them. The JJ enterprise looks like a Frankenstein or elephant man enterprise.

I always enjoy seeing anything JJ Abrams has done get destroyed.

Strictly speaking the JJ Abrams had no Shields

JJPrise also has a different time line design Process. The original is designed a multi purpose cruiser star ship. The original had exploration as a top priority. JJprise is a warship. It's built to defend against a mining ship from the future. Exploration is a side hustle for it.

Abrams Enterprise was a lot bigger than the proper one, but the proper one also had phaser cannons, not beams after the refit, so she should have taken down JJ-prise a lot faster :)

@1stprinceoflite

2 жыл бұрын

Try using prime or cannon universe over proper. It took me a few to figure out what you were saying at first. Just being helpful is all.

@Idazmi7

2 жыл бұрын

@@1stprinceoflite He meant what he said. The Abrams 'Enterprise' is not a proper starship.

@dasfraan

2 жыл бұрын

Nah, the JJ Verse one is stronger

@Idazmi7

2 жыл бұрын

@@dasfraan The JJPrise doesn't even have shields that actually work.

@darthkenobi8572

2 жыл бұрын

In jjverse if starship come from the same era with prime timeline , surely jj ship it's stronger

I guess it's a good thing the Abrams Enterprise didn't have her Into Darkness modification with the broadside torpedo launchers, port and starboard, or the fight might have been very different.

The lens flares alone will hurt the Abrahm's ship 🤣 Hey Sulu, is the parking brake on? Once again...they were missing so much when you were in Kirk's Enterprise, I think the gunner was an a**hole 😄. Sorry sir, I'm doing my best. I knew it, I'm surrounded by a**holes...keep firing A**holes! 🤣

@JeanLucCaptain

2 жыл бұрын

Mr Scott Damge report: I CAN'NYE UNDERSTAND IT CAPTIN, THERE IS A BREWERY INSTEAD OF A WARPCORE!!!

Abbrams Kirk never really earned his way to the Captain's seat like Rodenberrys.

@JeanLucCaptain

2 жыл бұрын

ya he was literally an stowaway cadet.

@falkenvir

2 жыл бұрын

@@JeanLucCaptain true that... hard to justify a Cadet (failed the test) -> Captain so quickly

The JJ Abrams Vessel is hideous and disproportionate

Victory to the Prime Constitution Class, yeah

The Enterprise-A is a work of art and the JJ Enterprise is an abomination. It was nice to see the A blow the JJ Enterprise our of the stars!

Don't want to be that guy, but this is not the the Enterprise A. The refit 1701 was in Startrek 1, 2 and 3. The A was in 4, 5 and 6. ;) Being that guy even further, despite the registry number, it does have the A bridge, from Star Trek 6. Sheesh. Off the top of my head, I can't remember if there are actually any visible external differences, between the original and the Alpha, bar the registry number.

Gene Roddenberry didn't design the original Enterprise, Matt Jefferies did. Roddenberry just gave him some very basic guidelines (don't make it look like a rocket ship, I don't want to see flames coming out of the back).

@andrewm3210

2 жыл бұрын

We did get those flames in ST3...

The JJ Enterprise is like the size of the Enterprise-D... and I hate those pew pew pew phasers on it

@RetroBadgerGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, they sound really bad. The nacelles look like ray guns.

"Can't beat the original?" Yes, indeed!

Really not a question, Roddenberry without a question. No-one from JJ's ship could see anything over the Apple Store with Lens flare effects popping off everywhere... -.-

@RetroBadgerGaming

2 жыл бұрын

You know...the Bridge does have an apple store feel to it,lol.

Excellent battle! You took their Quickening!! 😆

The jjprise was inspired by the kelvin's encounter with the narada, which was modified with Borg tech. It's to be expected that the combat capabilities tech wise of the ship built to fight post next generation era Borg tech would be more powerful than a ship designed without that experience in mind.

@RetroBadgerGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for that information. I just looked it up and one of the writers said the Kelvin scanned the narada, so they were able to incorporate some of the technology. Fascinating!

If you watch star trek 2 wrath of Khan...the Enterprise A actually has rapid firing alternating phaser pulses. As seen in that film..so.in this battle the Enterprise A is not using the correct phasers..

@JeanLucCaptain

2 жыл бұрын

and it has rear PT launchers which are physically not present onf the ship. using the Lame TNG phasers and not the badass CUTTING TORCH TMP phasers.

@randymiller1330

2 жыл бұрын

@@JeanLucCaptain yeah..very badass phasers..indeed...wonder why they switched to the tng phasers anyway?...I really like the ones the Defiant class has...so Kool...

@TheWhaller

2 жыл бұрын

Except in the Wrath of Khan it’s not the Enterprise A. It’s the refit original Enterprise. The A wasn’t around until the Voyage Home.

@randymiller1330

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheWhaller Ah..right, thanks...I forgot about that...

@Scott__G

Жыл бұрын

@@TheWhaller so glad you brought this up. I’ve had people say I’m just being pedantic when I tell them “it’s not the bloody A!” But the fact is they are two different ships and the refit should be properly recognized as such, not just lumped together with the A.

Very glad you beat that reboot enterprise also the human factor is a very powerful equaliser. Especially with someone that has lots of game time experience

As the 80's group" Big Country " this battle = " 🎶 She's a beauty" why would I lie ?

Prime Universe phasers are slower firing, but much more powerful, whereas the JJ ones do damage by what amounts to pulse spamming

In my opinion, the refit enterprise first seen in TMP is far superior to the version in Trek 09, both in weaponry and asthetics

I like the JJ Abrams version of the U.S.S. ENTERPRISE over the original version of the USS ENTERPRISE. Because the JJ Abrams version ENTERPRISE, has (to me at least)a cooler animated look to her.

@splat-trainproductions

3 ай бұрын

But did they have to make the JJprise both as big as the Enterprise-D as well as....alien in design? The saucer, for the most part is fine, but I HATE the neck, the pylons, & the nacelles on the JJprise. The nacelles look more like a streamlined version of the Doomsday Machine than nacelles, and the pylons look like they're gonna snap at any moment.

JJ’s Enterpise was built after the data gathered from scanning the Narada, a Borg augmented Romulan Mining ship, improved by the Tal’Shiar.

Saffi: You've fired on a ship that surrendered, I'm removing you from command! (Decapitates her head and launches it out of a torpedo tube) (I miss the Saffi torpedo mod from old BC Files)

I've never minded the Abrams version of the Enterprise... Not only is it a modern version of a ship from like 30 or 40 years ago but I heard that the lore reasoning for it being that way was due to when the.. Nervada(was that the name?) went back in time it's tech was scanned by the Kelvin... and the Enterprise we see is them building a ship with tech they still don't fully understand which is why it ended up so big.

Idk why everyone hates Kelvin timeline enterprise so much its very nice and unique design and everyone hates it just because its big and doesnt look like the original, also its obvious Kelvin timeline enterprise should win considering its way more advanced because the USS Kelvin battle with Nerada, thats also why JJ prise is so big

I feel like the arguments between original trek and JJ Abrams trek is like Jeremy Clarkson and Richard Hammond arguing about cars.

@Kanthannic

2 жыл бұрын

More like the original top gear vs new top gear

@Sam1056

2 жыл бұрын

@@Kanthannic Yes!

The Motion Picture era Constitution refit is perfection. Every detail is gorgeous, from end to end. ILM took the best bits of Matt Jefferies' original Connie and made it better. The JJ Enterprise is a corruption of the beauty and elegance into a bulbous, fat and disfigured bastardisation of the ship we knew. I will admit that the Bridge Commander lighting makes the JJ Enterprise look better than the film version, somehow, but it is still an ugly and disfigured Connie that should've been put out of its misery. And apparently the scale was messed up so it should be bigger than a Galaxy class as well? Just, no! Agh, so many things with that ship I don't like.

Your Enterprise-A is very, very wrong: not just the phasers. We know the A can fire more torpedoes than that at once, and it should have a cluster of phasers on the secondary hull.

@Idazmi7

2 жыл бұрын

@Plxsma Edits And more of them. The Enterprise-A had 18 phasers, and could fire multiple torpedoes from each of the forward tubes.

Do you have an argonaut model under the federation ships?

Can you get nero's narada? I want to see her go against ships from tos, TNG, DS9 and Voyager. Even borg

Well done again Captain.. yup it's all up to the one commanding... I like the JJ Abrams one nice lines but the warp core.. eeeh looked like a giant truck engine just slapped together.. I do like Enterprise A... so... nice battle and 2 of each characters... I thing that was the reason long battle.. 2 Spocks blimey... so how to out smart 2 Vulcuns eeeh!!! just saying!!!🤟

Geez, those ships look awesome.

When the Enterprise was destroyed by auto destruct in the search for Spock and the crew looked on as it burnt up in the atmosphere. It was like the death of a character. The history of the ship and all the missions they had been on with it, and the places it took them. It really was sad and the viewer could feel somewhat, how Kirk and the crew felt at that moment with Kirk saying " my god Bones, what have i done?" The JJ Abrams Enterprise, i feel nothing for it at all. When its destroyed (i can't remember which movie it was) I didn't care one bit. I can't buy into the ship at all, it has a cartoon feel to it. Like its a Enterprise for the under 5s. But its not supposed to be that, its supposed to be taken seriously. Look at the tone and plot of the motion picture and the look of the Enterprise compared to the latest version. While not a perfect film, they didn't dumb trek down. Star trek has fallen along way!!!

Actually This is a refit of NCC-1701 the Enterprise A didn't appear till the voyage home

it only goes to prove, it's not the ship it's the captain and the crew that wins the battle

Should have set JJ Abrams Kirk against the original Kirk.

counterfeit-apprise might be able to blind the NCC 1701(A) with all that lens flare it has.

It's always...a great...morning...when...Retro Badger...fights with...Captain Kirk.

Any vessel. With the name Enterprise... Is the Proper Enterprise.

With respect we accept

The A looks so beautiful...

I love the jjprise, grew up with it in fact, i dislike the hatred of it, yes its pew pew phasers are pointless, and its very lens flarey, but all its positives are overlooked, and yes, i do hate its size, and would of prefered the official size to be. 360m, as it was designed to be, you need to look at the possitives of it, its engineering section is open, and looks more like a engineering section then anything after tos. Yes im biased, and i do prefer the snw enterprise as what it would look like if tos was made today.

People say that the jj constitution was made a heavy cruiser cause of the kelvin's encounter and destruction. The existence of a ship as powerful as the narada made starfleet rethink their ships and made the constitution a exploring battle cruiser and gave her pulse phasers like the defiant would have. Only they gave the constitution 5 of them.

@cosmeticscameo8277

2 жыл бұрын

nreo caused starfleet to essentially jump almost 154 years of tech in just 25 years. jj verse can create ships that are 700 - 1500 meters big.... even in the prime timeline the excalibur class (enterprise_G) is only 1.2km and that's a ship from post 2400

Star Trek 6 bridge, NICE SIR!

People that have a hate boner for the JJ Enterprise and JJ verse overall neeed to get a grip, it's not nearly as bad as people say it is.

The TMP Refit is the Enterprise in peak swan-like elegance. The JJ-prise is just a poor, cartoonish immitation.

Roddenberry of course.

Is there some reason for the gap in Abrams?

I'd actually would love to see the Enterprise A go against the klingon D5 or D7

You did good distributing your shields

@RetroBadgerGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks 🙂

who would win: 30 years in the seat MAKING A DIFFERENCE veteran admiral kirk enterprise or Random Emo Kirk JJ enterprise?

2:01 Hey, this mod isn't making the Abrams-prise obscenely big! Kudos! Would that the actual films had followed suit...

@kevinramsey417

2 жыл бұрын

The JJ-prise has to be huge, how else would they fit the brewery?

@balrighty3523

2 жыл бұрын

It's just a shame they don't have the Discovery's extradimensional turboshaft network. Plenty of room in one of those...

@steeltimberwolf

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah the JJ Verse Enterprise is insanely large, it's taller than a Galaxy class and longer than a Soverign class. I can't imagine how large a JJ-verse Galaxy class or Soverign class is going to be.

I play star trek online and I'm playing in the USS Enterprise, NCC-1701-A

i like the phasers of the jj abrams better than any other phasor

From what I understand the JJ Enterprise never had aft photon torpedoes. Then again the interior of where and what things were changed a lot between the three films. As we know, there were suddenly side torpedo launchers in Star Trek Into Darkness which honestly made ZERO sense. For the design of the JJ Enterprise...honestly a lot of how the ship is shaped still bothers me. For example the secondary hull...the huge ass warp nacelles and how much they are spaced. The ORIGINAL size of the JJ Enterprise was supposed to be A LITTLE bigger than the 1701 Refit Enterprise. The official astronomical size of the ship is outrageous. I refuse to believe the JJ Enterprise is bigger than the Enterprise-D and Enterprise-E. I really do love the brief appearance of the Enterprise-A at the end of Star Trek Beyond. The shape how things look on the ship were almost perfect. Not quite perfect but ALMOST perfect. I have a 3D printed model of the Beyond Enterprise-A and I absolutely love it. The ORIGINAL Enterprise Refit will always be the best and MY favorite Enterprise.

I don’t understand the hate JJPrise gets. Could have been better I suppose. Have a couple of modified reboots, nothing extensive. One with her original marking which really make her pop. Wish I could post them here to show.

It's intresting that the computer is not really into fighting and it misses pretty often

@Idazmi7

2 жыл бұрын

The Abrams Enterprise misses tons of shots in the movie, too, so it's not like it's inaccurate to the source material.

@mammutMK2

2 жыл бұрын

@@Idazmi7 😆 that's a point for the actual accuracy. But stll doesn't explain (in overall with the ai ) the lack of participation in the battle

Where can I get these mods????

This video shows me the computer isnt as good as a human... also its all about the captain!

@XHunter442

2 жыл бұрын

also seems like the computer cant hit the board side of a barn lol

The prime ship also has a vertical worpcore. Basically she has more power per metric ton than the JJ prise

It Was Enterprise NCC-1701 refited up to the fourth movie

Aren't the A's phasers supposed to be firing the way the Abrams phasers fire? I'm thinking Wrath of Khan...

you didn't use 4 firing arc's on the Roddenberry's version they were at full power, the fight should have been over much quicker.

Naturally the shields on the old movie Enterprise Actually work . The JJ turd prise not so much

@Eradicator-jv9xr

2 жыл бұрын

To be honest I think it's more like a structural dampening field instead of a shield. It reduces the impact on the hull plating and reduces shield drain rate. Remember how the torpedo in the first jj trek hit its neck but didn't do a lot of damage?

@SiXiam

2 жыл бұрын

@@Eradicator-jv9xr Always thought that was the major difference between TOS and TNG shields. The later using structural integrity fields to enhance hull strength. We didn't even see forcefields until the Enterprise B.

@Eradicator-jv9xr

2 жыл бұрын

@@SiXiam Probabaly it's a budget and CGI issue tho :/

None of the mods for KM are compatible with BCR. And no one is willing to do anything about that. Or add more ships. I would love more STO boats, or ships from Klingon Academy and Starfleet Command. The Yamato-Class would be nice from SFC/KA and the Yamato II from STO would be _grand_ and more Klingon ships from SFC and SFC2? Glorious.

Who made Sergeant Asshole from Spaceballs the gunner of the JJPrise?

What game is this about 15 years ago I used to play starred fleet command on the computer which was an excellent game but can't play it anymore is this Star Trek online

@RetroBadgerGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Star Trek Bridge Commander.

idea 7 akula refits vs galaxy class

Who is aiming the enemy ship’s weapons @4:21? Stevie Wonder? 😆

@RetroBadgerGaming

2 жыл бұрын

LOL! I was laughing so hard at that comment my cat ran away 🤣

The JJprise never seemed to ever have shields. Too bad the Tmp mod is so wrong. Wrong phasers, and its supposed to be 4 torp from front, and if its a later connie it gets an aft launcher. But looking at the colors, reminds me of ST5, especially the white impulse engines. Probably why its all wrong. 😂

the A should be able to fire torpedoes faster not just 2 at a time

Can we have a JJ Enterprise A vs a Sovereign class enterprise or Voyager?

@cosmeticscameo8277

2 жыл бұрын

enterprise-E would wreck the jj enterprise.

@Mikeperry140

2 жыл бұрын

@Plxsma Edits so? Still would be cool to see

Left shield is draining? Who made this game :P Port shield damn you!

So what your proving is the M5 is no match for James T. Kirk?

I thought Ent Refit had 4 photons per volley.

KHAN!!!!!

we're comparing a ship from 2258-2263 in jj timeline vs a ship from 2271-2285 range in the prime timeline. 1.) jj trek ships are supposedly reverse engineered from 2380s prime tech. 2.) prime kirk timeline ships have no such advantages and were all organically developed 3.) the fact jj trek timeline can create behemoths like the jj enterprise and vengeanc which are 700 - 1500 meters long... conclusion jj trek tech is higher if they are 20 yeras behind the prime trek timeline (kirk era) but have ships that are biggre than even tng era ships 100+ years later

@keyboardt8276

2 жыл бұрын

Bigger doesn't mean better

@cosmeticscameo8277

2 жыл бұрын

@@keyboardt8276 it's a double edged sword. yes bigger doesnt automatically mean better but at the same time it does take engineering capability to produce such big ships. i was always under the impression that starfleet couldn't build bigger ships is because of their literal technology limitations even by the TNG era. they seemed to have a cap of 700 meters at least what we see on screen. bigger ship could mean more powerful reactor for more weapons harder hitting weapons etc.

@balrighty3523

2 жыл бұрын

Happily, 2:01 is apparently showing that this mod went with the original 366 m length that the Abrams-prise was meant to have.

@cosmeticscameo8277

2 жыл бұрын

@@balrighty3523 if we take the uss vengance into account it's even larger than the excalibur class which is only 1.2km in length.

@haroldchase1881

2 жыл бұрын

The Ambassador class in the prime time had trouble because of its size . They solved that problem with a new computer system using Isalinear chip technology .

Inconclusive, but entertaining.

This is one of my favorite videos you’ve made lol. Suck it JJ

if you watched the movies. jj prise shields stopped nothing and the fhashers did little. how do these games justify these power level when it wasnt seen on screen.

Although gotta admit, the torpedo looks way cooler and realistic in Abrams trek. The blue glow is actually causes by thrusters! And it's not obscenely bright that acts like a flashbang

@metagen77

2 жыл бұрын

Way uncooler and who cares about realism????

@Eradicator-jv9xr

2 жыл бұрын

@@metagen77 the first time I saw og star trek torpedoes I was like holy mother of jesus I'm blind

The AI in this game is SO bad, whatever ship the player controls will usually trounce anything the AI handles as it turns stupidly and barely fights back.

The enterprise A is the best looking of them all. They all got short and fat. Lost their neck.

It’s so ironic because while everyone else is rooting for the Refit Enterprise… I’m like one of the few people who is rooting for the JJ Enterprise. The Refit is a good Enterpise don’t get me wrong… but honestly it’s my least favorite out of them all while the JJ Enterprise is one of my all time favorites. So it’s kinda satisfying to watch the battle where the JJ Enterprise smokes the refit. (I do love the refit though, and that’s the truth. Plus realistically since the JJ Enterprise is supposed to be an alternate version of the TOS enterprise, it would make sense that the refit would win the battle if they played their cards right.)

@RetroBadgerGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Respect! Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.. What did you think of the Enterprise in Discovery? I know that's technically the TOS version.

@Cyber_Horse_Studios87

2 жыл бұрын

@@RetroBadgerGaming that one is tied for second place as my all time favorite enterprises. It’s shares the second place spot with the TOS enterprise. I love the TOS a bit more as I actually like her smoother design, but the discovery version looks amazing! It’s a bit of a mix of the pilot versions of the TOS Enterprise with added panel lining. Overall the discovery version is amazing and tbh I would love to see it appear in one of your videos someday! Maybe the discovery Enterprise VS the TOS Enterprise. That could be interesting!

The KM mod has terrible phaser accuracy, especially for the AI

Best enterprise is original, A then E, D. Jjverse sucks they should have made it look like dj enterprise, or discovery enterprise but for jjverse as big as jjprise is. But Abrams wasn't smart

perhaps, if you have the kelvin enterprise a, put that in a fight with the main timeline enterprise a

@cosmeticscameo8277

2 жыл бұрын

JJ enterprise-A should win as it's evn more advanced than JJ enterprise 1701

@ascension9704

2 жыл бұрын

@@cosmeticscameo8277 yeah your right

well if theyre modelled correctly the Abrams version is absolutely enormous and vastly overpowered so should win hands down but it doesnt. The JJ ship is still a pile of arse though

@RetroBadgerGaming

Ай бұрын

I was shocked when I first found out about the size difference. Why the heck was it made so big..

ANYTHING AFTER 09 IS NOT TREK ITS COZ PLAY DONE BAD VERY BAD .

I can't watch anymore

I really wasn't going to watch this one because I really hate JJs version of the Enterprise, I think it's just freaking ugly

JJ's Enterprise is all wrong and it's pure junk looking. The only thing that looks good in that ship is when jt blows up

E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G about JJ Abrams' "trek" is garbage, from the moment he had the idea to his last flicker of involvement.

Nothing JJ Abrams has done or ever will do is better than anything else. Abrams is a horrible writer and an unimaginative director who only destroys any franchise he touches.