I hope Kevin gets a kick out of the thumb and title on this one 😂

@onleynin

24 күн бұрын

it's funny because kevin is the nicest dude ever haha.

@KyleWhittington

24 күн бұрын

I just shared it with him in my Discord

@NontraditionalCatholic

24 күн бұрын

I can confirm, an inside source as told told me that Kevin got a huge kick of the title and thumbnail haha!!

@NontraditionalCatholic

24 күн бұрын

@@KyleWhittington Thanks for sending me this Kyle !!

@SupremeSkeptic

18 күн бұрын

Kevin might be fine with it but others might not. Be careful with putting people's images in thumbnails, where they look awkward or degrading, especially if they are not catholic. They might think twice about being on your show.

Jimmy Akin is a champion of apologetics

@realwoodyhughes

24 күн бұрын

Amen. He and Keating were the two that convinced me to convert.

@Jo0zek20

23 күн бұрын

Yes, he’s character is great

Jimmy Akin…the most patient man on Earth. He’s awesome!

Jimmy does such a great job listening to people. He is so respectful.

Thanks!

Thank you Jimmy Akin

I just subscribed on Patreon because I love the work you are doing and I love everything I have seen so far from Jimmy as well. God bless you.

Thank you for the anti-click bait.

@CapturingChristianity

24 күн бұрын

It’s actually not click-bait given that Jimmy does give a patient response (which means the content delivers on its promise) and Kevin is in fact skeptical of the afterlife.

@MeanBeanComedy

24 күн бұрын

​@@CapturingChristianityThat's what anti-clickbait means!

Very interesting topic. Thank you for sharing. 🙏🏽

Thank you, Jimmy & Cameron!

Thanks much for this video.

Great show

There's a recent book on this subject and one interesting case was of a person born blind who described what he saw. He should have no concept of what things look like yet was able to describe his death experience. If true, that's fascinating.

@IAmDawnPatrol

22 күн бұрын

Do you remember the name of that book?

Jimmy is a good man. So are you Cameron.

Nice one

Do clicking any links take cuts from the donation/subscription ?

It is very straight forward. There are two source of information; one is people talking about themselves, and the second one is research that collects information from a population of people. I came across a lady who worked in a hospital and was asked by the hospital to interview people who had this experience. There was no religious connection to it; just the hospital wanting to know what was going on. one famous story coming out of this was a person who was blind from birth, who was able to see when they died. They actually floated outside of the building, several stories above the ground, and saw a pair of red shoes on a roof, in a position that could not be see from inside or outside of the building. One doctor stepped through the window and crawled along a path until they reached a point where they could see the red shoes. On a follow up research project, also coming from a hospital; a doctor was saying that the drugs given at end of life to resuscitate or control the patient; also have the effect of wiping out people's memory. He personally believed in the possibility of every patient having a NDE but not being able to remember because of the usual drugs administered.

@captivedesk3168

24 күн бұрын

That's a fib, the shoes were on a windowsill across from her window she wasnt blind. Repeating lies without fact checking makes you not much better than

@trojanhman8136

23 күн бұрын

@@captivedesk3168 I don't lie.

The caller was perfectly courteous. Why denigrate someone like this just for being skeptical? Shouldn't we encourage incisive and rational conversation with people who come at these issues from different angles? It really just weakens the credibility of the speaker to personalize in this fashion. Jimmy didn't seem remotely offended or inconvenienced by these questions and engaged them in good faith. Which I appreciate from anyone of any perspective.

@shlamallama6433

24 күн бұрын

The thumbnail is an inside joke. The caller is a friend to Jimmy and Cameron and from what I know about him he would find this thumbnail funny. I understand why it looks bad though.

@KyleWhittington

24 күн бұрын

Yeah, this is right up Kevin's alley. Kevin is legit the nicest guy on the internet.

@NontraditionalCatholic

24 күн бұрын

I'm the caller here and I can confirm that this was all in good fun! I'm frankly honored to have my section of the call in show clipped into a video like this haha!

@beksinski

24 күн бұрын

@@NontraditionalCatholic Good to know. The context isn't clear for people unfamiliar witht the backstory. And so much productive conversation is sabotaged by disrespect. I appreciate the clarification.

I’ve had an out of body experience but not a near death experience. A very sobering experience.

It seems quite logical to me that a person whos heart stops would experience dreams and such. They are unconscious, but their brain is still alive. If your brain is alive and feels something with your eyes closed, then your brain could very well fill in the gaps and add images or tie them to images that you captured during moments of consciousness. I dont think that they are NOT afterlife experiences, but it just seems like a very reasonable natural explanation. That story people are sharing about a blind person and red shoes on a roof however is veeery interesting.

Hey cam. I’m wondering how I get the 50 dollar patron option and the guarantee for the sculpture. Thank you

@CapturingChristianity

24 күн бұрын

Just gotta sign up at the $50 tier on patreon! We’ll reach out and organize shipping, etc.

Awesome video Cameron! Can you please do an update video on your journey to Catholicism?? How’s it going??

@jamesmonroe6291

17 күн бұрын

Oh wow so he is converting from Christianity to Catholicism? I guess he is rather ignorant.

@follower8815

17 күн бұрын

@@jamesmonroe6291 yeah he is! Definitely not ignorant. He came up with an exhaustive list of objections to Catholicism and deeply research each one. At the end there were no objections. He had systematically found the truth with much consideration and research.

I've noticed quite a few Christian's looking into NDE's but very few looking into Past-Lives and Reincarnation both share similarities and are just as tenuous.

@benjaminwatt2436

24 күн бұрын

Past-lives and reincarnation or both mysticism and related to New-Age. please look into it. It has lead a lot of people into dark spiritual places, I would suggest looking for interviews from Mellissa Daughtery, she used to be New-Age and interviews people hwo used to be, but came back to Christ

@CapturingChristianity

24 күн бұрын

Check out this interview: kzread.info/dash/bejne/nqmk3NyygZWrZsY.htmlsi=RiT0u68nAjbF7oQu

@RYPA190

24 күн бұрын

​@@benjaminwatt2436Just because practice of mysticism and new age has led people to dark places, doesn't in any way invalidate the evidence for past lives and reincarnation. Which is substantial just like evidence for afterlife, and not necessarily Christian afterlife.

@benjaminwatt2436

23 күн бұрын

@@RYPA190 What evidence is there for past lives/ reincarnation.

@RYPA190

23 күн бұрын

@@benjaminwatt2436There's many, for example children are more likely to have memories of past lives, there are many cases where young children spontaneously report detailed memories and knowledge of a previous life. Many cases are documented and studied. There a ton of research out there, here's one quick paper, type in Google "Cases of reincarnation type with memories from the intermission between lives". It's from University of Virginia

Man... this rancher knows a lot about NDEs...

You did the guy dirty with that thumbnail XD

Click baiting is condemned in all 7 ecumenical councils

From the research I've done, there does seem to be something to NDEs, OBEs, etc. But what exactly, I'm not as sure as I'd prefer to be. I do find such experiences to be somewhat intriguing, fascinating. It does seem they can be evidence for the soul and afterlife, but for me there are some things about them that trouble me and make me somewhat hesitant to accept them as evidence of the soul and afterlife. "Veridical perception" does seem to suggest that those that experience such a phenomena are actually outside of their physical bodies, etc. during a so called OBE. I'm planning on learning more about NDEs and the like. I have some books about them already and have some books I'm considering getting about the subject matter in the future, including the one Jimmy mentioned: "The Self Does Not Die".

@benjaminwatt2436

24 күн бұрын

Definately an interesting area of research and Akins stance seems very reasonable, but I'm a Christian because of the resurrection, historocity of Christianity and my personal experience with the living God, first and foremost

Is this @kevinnontradicath? The caller radiates a joy and charity in his skepticism that I have seen only in him :)

@NontraditionalCatholic

24 күн бұрын

You are too kind!

Comment for traction

How does anyone refute this

Jimmy Akin's aesthetic is giving "Cowboy-Patristic"

When the title had "patiently" in all caps, I was nervous the skeptic was going to be really rude. I'm glad I was wrong

@MeanBeanComedy

24 күн бұрын

It's an inside joke. 😉😜

@NontraditionalCatholic

24 күн бұрын

I normally am super rude, but I took my nice-pills that morning.

Not that this is totally relevant, but there is something interesting where in the field of fitness and even nutrition the paradigm of 'i only follow peer reviewed studies' doesn't really work. Like it's so impossibly hard to do these studies in an adequate way to control for the countless variables and the study sizes are also so small as to not be useful basically at all. The best most robust source of information in these fields comes from a mixture of scientific studies but also from practitioners in the field who can use experience with themselves and many clients to get a pretty solid broad picture idea of things that work and don't work. If we had to stick to this strict standard of scientific research we would have to pretend we knew very little when in reality we know alot from experiential data. An antidote isn't data but a wide collection of antidotes are.

@DM-dk7js

24 күн бұрын

Yeah there’s absolutely zero reason to accept an afterlife as fact.

@MeanBeanComedy

24 күн бұрын

Anecdote?

@MeanBeanComedy

24 күн бұрын

​@@DM-dk7jsThat's actually the opposite of what he said.

@NontraditionalCatholic

24 күн бұрын

I actually want to push back on the fitness point. There are some really good channels going into the science of health and fitness, specifically related to strength training, hypertrophy, etc. Check out Jeff Nippard and Mike Isratel (of Renaissance Periodization) to start. The science is pretty clear. 1 lb of body fat = 3500 cal. 500 cal deficit per day = 1 lb body fat lost per week. Doing sets to failure twice per week per muscle group will result in muscle growth. Stuff like that.

@DM-dk7js

24 күн бұрын

@@MeanBeanComedyand it just happens to be false.

Patience is an interesting word choice as both were such. You also not only clipped together Jimmy's portion, naking it shorter, Jimmy double to triples the length of time the live caller speaks.

@NontraditionalCatholic

22 күн бұрын

The title is all in good fun! We all know each other.

@WannaBeliever

21 күн бұрын

Great to hear. Good to have good hearted conversation and banter. As you know each other seems even more click baity though. Wishing him the best in these trying financial times.

Some might say Kevin Malarkey was.... full of malarkey 😃 I'll show myself out...

I frequently see birds flapping their wings, and I’m almost always below them. But to catch a surgeon doing it I need to levitate? I mean it’s interesting if a nearly dead, presumably unconscious patient could somehow be aware of the Dr’s strange motions, and this begs investigation. To claim this information was gathered while floating out of body on the ceiling doesn’t add credibility to the story, but rather, makes the whole thing less believable.

@koppite9600

24 күн бұрын

Less believable for the materialist

@RYPA190

24 күн бұрын

It's not that you need to levitate to catch a surgeon doing it, it's that the person saw it from that perspective. I don't get how can it be less believable when so many people report seing themselves from that perspective, why would that be the case? It seems to me the only reason you think they didn't actually leave their body is because on your materialist worldview you think it's impossible. But evidence actually shows the opposite of what you believe to be possible.

@benjaminwatt2436

24 күн бұрын

The patient was Verifiably dead, not unconscious. how would a materialist account for that?

@jamesjohnson-en3cu

24 күн бұрын

@@RYPA190I don’t say it’s impossible, rather there is no testable evidence for that portion of the claim. I don’t doubt people experience the sensation of viewing from above, but when I’m dreaming I experience all kinds of very realistic sensations. Do you think people ‘leave their body’ when they dream? And how does one ‘see’ the room without eyes?

@RYPA190

24 күн бұрын

@@jamesjohnson-en3cu I get your objections, we have fundamentally different worldviews, I can't prove anything to you. But maybe I can explain my perspective. Can you feel your physical body while you're dreaming? In most cases you can't, you feel your dream body, which means your consciousness shifted from your physical body to your dream body, which has eyes (obviously different than the eyes as we know it). So yes I think you actually leave your body when you're dreaming, and access different dream worlds. And by "you" I mean you are not your body but a consciousness (soul) that inhabits it. Your physical eyes only detect electromagnetic waves and turn them into electrical signals, which are then interpreted by the brain and create a picture, but for who? The brain only interprets the data, atoms in the brain can't experience anything, the one who experiences the picture is "you", the soul. I get that you probably think that consciousness is an emergent property of the brain and you base everything on that, we don't agree and this can become a really long discussion that I'm not sure I have time for.

He worries about the wrong things.

That caller is a former Traditional Catholic who runs his own KZread channel, though his name evades me. Smart cordial guy and conducted himself well here. I think he’s agnostic now? Maybe? Anyway he has his own channel.

@NontraditionalCatholic

22 күн бұрын

Thanks bud! Yep, that's me, Kevin Nontradicath.

@kiwicoproductions2828

21 күн бұрын

@@NontraditionalCatholic totally blanked on your name. Didn’t realize it was in the comments. XD.

I don't wanna be a chicken. I don't wanna be a duck. Do not resuscitate.

NDE’s/OBE’s destroy materialism

@DM-dk7js

24 күн бұрын

Hardly. Not even remotely close. They’re really worthless aren’t they?

@MyEnemiesLoveDeath

24 күн бұрын

​@@DM-dk7js why?

@DM-dk7js

24 күн бұрын

@@MyEnemiesLoveDeathI’m struggling to find why they’re so valuable lol. A near death experience is just an anecdote. Anecdotes are very weak evidence. Hardly worth much, anecdotes.

@MyEnemiesLoveDeath

24 күн бұрын

@DM-dk7js anecdotes are weak evidence when trying to prove a trend such as "men are generally taller than women", saying "I know a women taller than a man" is a weak anecdote. But testimony is considered real evidence. We put people in jail based on pure testimonial evidence every day. All that is, is a person sharing their experience and making a claim such as "I saw this person commit a burglary'

@TyrellWellickEcorp

24 күн бұрын

@@DM-dk7js Explain how a person, after having been pronounced clinically dead, can view their own body and others around them and describe seeing things that they otherwise could not have seen if consciousness is a mere product of the brain.

You got to lower the music it takes away from the experience and becomes a distraction.

tfw Jimmy doesn't know about High Value Kevinism (HVK) NGMI.... simple as

Weird title for the video where Jimmy speaks way more. Mr Live Caller was extremely pleasant and not worthy of your descriptor suggesting Jimmy had to be PATIENT.

@NontraditionalCatholic

22 күн бұрын

The title is in good fun! This was not the first time that I spoke with either Jimmy or Cameron!

Wonder how atheists would counter Jimmy Akin when it comes to NDE's, and the prospect of an afterlife

@DM-dk7js

24 күн бұрын

We’d just say it hasn’t met its burden of proof.

@fernandoformeloza4107

24 күн бұрын

@@DM-dk7js not to be combative, but you've heard the stories of the accounts of people of NDE's Jimmy Akin has told? It sounds somewhat compelling to hear that they were able to describe details that they couldn't have known while in NDE

@captivedesk3168

24 күн бұрын

Jimmy is lying

@fernandoformeloza4107

24 күн бұрын

@@captivedesk3168 Jimmy gives out source material to fact check his claims and stories of cases of NDE's

@captivedesk3168

24 күн бұрын

@@fernandoformeloza4107 he failed to fact check. AKA disinformation peddler and or a liar.

They should do some science and make a prediction like ask the “God” what the equation of Quantum Gravity is so that it would be way more believable instead of putting it up to humans who have internal motive’s. NDE’s vary way too much culturally for me to really put any weight on it.

I don’t think the title, capturing Christianity and the proper title.

If my name was Malarkey I would make up a hoax too. You basically have no choice at that point.

@charlespagano9636

24 күн бұрын

🤣

ipads?? why on earth would you put ipads there? what i have learned it was photos. jimmy states there are well documented cases. but none of these cases really show that anyone can experience anything while brain was not active, the "chicken" story is not conclusive since that dr behavior is very common.

I fear we’re doing a lot of damage to the overall witness of Christianity by further propping up the legitimacy of NDE’s. Incredibly poor quality of evidence across the board. Trying to carve out nuance regarding these instances may be the wrong project if we’re aiming for truth

@jimmyh7529

24 күн бұрын

How can you say it’s incredibly poor evidence. NDEs are evidence of afterlife, you need an afterlife for Christianity to exist.

@DM-dk7js

24 күн бұрын

@@jimmyh7529you don’t know the strengths and weaknesses of evidence then. You haven’t thought about this very hard.

@kevinkelly2162

24 күн бұрын

@@jimmyh7529 So why do Hindus have Hindu NDEs and Muslims have Muslim NDEs and Christians have Christian NDEs?

@MeanBeanComedy

24 күн бұрын

​@@kevinkelly2162Do they?

@mnmmnm925

24 күн бұрын

@@kevinkelly2162 That’s not what we said. He didn’t say an afterlife proves Christianity. Rather, an afterlife is one extra step toward a cumulative case for Christianity.

This is blasphemy. When you take your own word and spread it as biblical truth, you are putting yourself in God‘s place. You are essentially saying that you are on par or above God, which is the same thing that Lucifer did. I will show a few examples of What the Bible says about the state of the dead. In Ecclesiastes we read “The dead know not anything” (Ecclesiastes 9:5). Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God Who gave it (Ecclesiastes 12:7). And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt (Daniel 12:2). And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose (Matthew 27:52). Please notice how the Holy Spirit says that the “bodies” slept. Jesus said: Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep . . . Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead (John 11:11, 14)

But is petty and disingenuous when responding to Paulogia. Hmm..