For some reason, I still remember Stone Cold saying “Shut up, you little bastard” to a fan during his interview with Vince McMahon in the ring. I got a good laugh out of that 😆

@theoldbk5419

2 жыл бұрын

Hahah he said “I’ll let everybody out here know that I can whip everybody in that stands ass” 🤣🤣

@jest3167

2 жыл бұрын

And we still wanted to cheer for him

@DODGERBLUE55

10 ай бұрын

I literally just finished watching that in the network before watching this…and he most certainly did say that to a guy in the front row

@loregasmic

10 ай бұрын

He should've just called the audible and stunned Vince

WM 17 was a MASTERPIECE!!!

@adamdavis1737

3 жыл бұрын

The ending ruins it

@Lonewolf_665

3 жыл бұрын

@ShadowAngel 🧢

@TomAndrews91

Жыл бұрын

@@adamdavis1737 The only bad part about the whole show was the gimmick battle royal.

@adamdavis1737

Жыл бұрын

@@TomAndrews91 It was a fantastic show. The ending just left a really sour taste in my mouth after everything else being so great

@TomAndrews91

Жыл бұрын

@@adamdavis1737 I guess Steve was concerned his run as a babyface would go stale. I personally didn't mind the twist, but his heel run didn't really pay off in the long term. I don't see how being a tweener would have worked either from some other comments I've read because having McMahon help him win the match only for Steve to give him a stunner at the end would also feel stupid.

Heel stone cold wasn't a total failure It had some amazing moments

Stone Cold should have stunned McMahon this night and continued being a tweener. Ratings would have stayed solid

@stevenrobertgill7306

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah when he teased it you could see the crowd come back to life, then when he swerved the air came out the building lol.

@CoopiiemanInc

3 жыл бұрын

@@stevenrobertgill7306 I remember mate. Absolutely gutted as a kid 😂😂

@dntwasteit8547

3 жыл бұрын

Hypotheticals

Bottom line, Austin had nobody to work work with after Mania 17. Rock left and Triple H wasnt ready to turn babyface. Nobody wanted to see Austin work with Taker for the 100th time either. Wasnt until August when they started pushing Kurt Angle again did Steve have a worthy opponent. Say what you will about the Invasion stuff, Austin vs Angle was awesome.

@cmajor886

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed.

@ajk

3 жыл бұрын

@@cmajor886 Taker and Austin never had the best in-ring chemistry either to begin with, even as far back as SummerSlam 98. Though how much of that was Austin being concussed early in the match and how much was on them both is anyone's guess. I know Austin has gone on record about being disappointed with it though, and has spoke about their issues working together in general as well.

@jest3167

2 жыл бұрын

That's really a bs take IMO you can't say he had to turn heel because he had no one to work with because as a heel he had even less people to work with and if HHH wasn't ready to turn baby face then why couldn't Austin work as the face still with HHH as the heel And Nitro was no more so McMahon had WCW guys that Austin could've worked with instead of the pathetic Invasion angle

@youtubemember1115

Жыл бұрын

@@jest3167 Agreed, I hate the phony excuse that austin had to turn heel because there was nobody to feud with. He could've faced hhh at backlash 01 for the title. This time hhh wants to beat austin for the title & is confident about it because of his fluke win at no way out 2001

@fizzusedsplash1797

Жыл бұрын

@@jest3167 Because they'd literally just concluded a year long feud with an epic two out of 3 falls match at No Way Out. Storyline had gone as far back as 1999 when HHH had Austin ran over.

Kane and undertaker vs power trip was awesome

This Raw was the beginning of my loss of interest in wrestling.

@TVindustries5000

2 жыл бұрын

I think it was Corny that recently said "it wasnt that fans lost interest. they lost faith."

Fans never 'reject' a heel turn, the difference now is people enjoy the bad guy and cheer him. They know he's the bad guy, but it simply isn't the era where people hate someone for being a villain.

@mof4104

3 жыл бұрын

Im guilty of this...at least in wrestling. The hitman is my all time favorite but for some reason I love the heels of today. Bobby draws real heat in my household and I cheer him lol

@PtolemyJones

3 жыл бұрын

@@mof4104 I root for some of the heels too, but that doesn't mean I think they are good guys, I like them being evil, very different from rejecting a heel turn.

@tarrusthundermaddoxTHEHUNDRED

3 жыл бұрын

I agree with you both 💯 I gravitate towards the heels flair is my favorite all-time and now I'ma huge Roman fan but hated him as a face

@sidious187

3 жыл бұрын

‘Never’ is a strong word. Many heels do not appear cowardly or vulnerable, as they should. Rock or both Hogan made amazing heroes and villains

I'm glad J.R. mentions it was Stone Cold who wanted to turn heel.

They never give triple H the credit he deserves. The fact he was willing to take the IC title and play number 2 is a testament to him. He’s probably the best heel of all time. The power trip is the best and most controversial tag team ever and they pulled it off beautifully

Austin’s turn would have worked better had they gone the Undertaker 1998-1999 route, a slow heel turn for one of the top babyfaces in the company

The thing is, as soon as WWE got legit heels i.e. NWO, Brock Lesnar, by that time Austin didn't want to work with any of them. In a way they hitched too much onto Stone Cold and they couldn't build their own heels until Lesnar. But at that point, they should have just rode Austin til the fans got tired of him, if that could ever happen.

This was the end of wrestling for me. The huge build up for the epic showdown at WrestleMania17 was how Austin needed to beat Rock. He had to beat him. So he sold his soul to the devil to do it. It was the one thing that would not be possible for Austin to sell out. Coincidentally or not it was also when the ratings fell, Vince bought WCW so there was no competition. I still watched it for another year or so but with Rock lost to Hollywood and the other wrestlers not bringing it as much (other than Angle who was a standout) there wasn't much with the storyline or rivalries left. WWF still did good riding on the curtails of what happened before, but after WM17 it was the beginning of the end.

@christiansoldier77

Жыл бұрын

Tom Wells Actually that is something Austin would do because he is a rattlesnake. The problem came when he became Vince's friend . That was a mistake.

He's right when Austin was in his prime as face with the fans he was most over superstar in history

Besides Hulk Hogan there is nobody who can compare to how popular and over Steve Austin was. His popularity was in a different league to Rock, Cena, anyone else before during and since. I remember going to school here in England and seeing 3:16 graffiti on walls and written on the back of seats on the bus. Austin was absolutely adored on a level that's hard to describe.

They should have done a double turn had HHH attack Austin and team up with Vince and make Austin a baby-face again

@johnnykeane9633

3 жыл бұрын

@Ultra Instinct 94 yes probably the easiest way 👌

In my opinion, Triple H could’ve been a baby face based on how that Raw went. Heel Austin vs Tweener HHH would’ve been dope to me

@ATLCane

2 ай бұрын

They had just come off the 3 stages of hell match at No Way Out though. Don’t think that would’ve been worth revisiting

Stone Cold was probably scared his character would go dry. Because some people might get tired of seeing him win at WM all the time. Can't know until you do it.

@ShaunInce123

3 жыл бұрын

Stone Cold has said that he was afraid of his character going stale & that was one of the reasons he wanted to do the heel turn. The fans also weren't turning on Austin either especially when he returned after being out for almost a year.

Rock and Austin heel turn where basically impossible. Honestly I’m surprised hogan was able to flip to heel

@BigG257

3 жыл бұрын

Well, by the time Hogan turned heel he had been a face for about ten years or so maybe more and he had been getting booed pretty much since he debuted in WCW when Austin turned heel he had only been a solid face for about three years and Austin was much more badass than Hogan.

@_sabathia_5929

3 жыл бұрын

@@BigG257different time in wrestling. Gimmick era was fun times. The attitude era was for a different generation (target audience)

@matthewalkman3735

3 жыл бұрын

What? Rock and Hogan both are the best heels of all time. Austin isn’t as charismatic as them.

@vaishalikasturiwale4655

2 жыл бұрын

@@matthewalkman3735 Bruh go check 96-97 heel run of Austin..

@nasirjones9149

2 жыл бұрын

@@matthewalkman3735 No lies told

HHH definitely should have turned face here! The crowd was ready to go nuts for it! But instead he stayed heel and it just sucked. There was no one left to cheer for!

@evanviveiros

3 жыл бұрын

Austin has said teaming with Triple H was proof to the audience he was a bad guy. I completely agree with you and maybe with no quad tear we would have seen it by the end of the year.

@therebel4332

11 ай бұрын

He was defiantly going face before his injury. They were getting ready and were setting it up. But he tore his quad and that was that sadly,,, I think the whole alliance rubbish was never planned for,, They would have just bought in guys RVD anyway, and dumped them in the midcard.@@evanviveiros

In the words of Mr McMahon Yes, Rock you get your championship match tonight But you know what, you're going to get it, in a STEEL CAAGGEE

That raw was in my hometown!!!

I disagree it was a bad decision to make Triple H and Austin a team, I will say though they didn't have ligit opponents beside Taker and Kane and after them who would they feud with? Bottom line it was a good idea but bad planning

@therebel4332

11 ай бұрын

The company was hot around this time though. They could have just shoehorned anyone in and the fans would have watched it. They could have rode along all summer with Taker vs Austin, had the title change hands a couple of times. Rock would have returned and they could have gone with that with Rock getting revenge. The fact is they had fans on strings and could have just drove it all year.

What was Triple H’s role going to be in the invasion storyline if he wouldn’t have been injured?

Wrestlemania 17 was the greatest of all time hands down

I liked the power trip vs Bod. Kinda wished kane and taker won.

@rickyaguilera2301

2 ай бұрын

Me too I think the tag team match where hhh gets injured is one of the greatest matches ever but I sometimes think wish it was Kane and undertaker who should have won the tag team championship instead

loved heel austin

Would Vince have turned Austin if WCW hadn’t gone out of business?

@kelseykjarsgaard5774

2 жыл бұрын

Prb not no

@vaishalikasturiwale4655

2 жыл бұрын

He isn't mad..He doesn't want WCW to survive more..

4/2/ 2001 Monday Night Raw Is War ! Tarrant County Convention Center. I was there at the arena. Awesome show ! That RAW after Wrestlemania XVII was insane !!!!!! I had sime damn good seats to ! And a steel cage rematch Rock VS Stone Cold !!!! Kurt Angle, Kane, Dudle Boyz. Man u miss that whole Attitude run !!!!!! That was Rock's las appearance. He went on to film The Scirpion King after that RAW.

@yellabeezy96

Жыл бұрын

Kayfabe suspension

He was surpassed by The Rock in popularity, stop with these biases JR

@nasirjones9149

2 жыл бұрын

@Anon Anon Of course he did, anyone who wasn’t an Austin fan saw that.

@williamerazo3921

Жыл бұрын

No he wasn’t Rock was a face but a lil bit lower then Austin

@Mr.Suavehouse

Жыл бұрын

jr always been stonecold dick rider who damn near caught orgasms watchin austin wrestle

@MrJonnyl123

4 ай бұрын

@@williamerazo3921by 2000 rock had surpassed Austin in popularity. Austin got more cheers at Mania cus it was in texas

JR needs to get off Twitter. His raging at anonymous smart asses is sad.

@Rschr101

3 жыл бұрын

The world needs to get off twitter. Especially public figures. Embarrassing.

@matthewalkman3735

3 жыл бұрын

Twitter should no longer exist.

@cjones3710

3 жыл бұрын

Huh. Thats funny when Jim yells at child- men. Toughen up or go cry like a baby. Ljfe is hard. I seem to think he makes mostly good points, hes traditional, and logical in my view in general. But when JR calls out someone its often bc of childishness. If a baby is gonna cry bc JR made fyn of him hes a bump anyway.

@TL2354

Жыл бұрын

You caring that much about what others do is pathetic

You gotta know that The Rock was on his way out to shoot The Scorpion King. WWF at the time had to fill that missing piece for 3 months. In my honest opinion, Austin could’ve and should’ve stayed baby face and have that momentum he had 3 years prior after WrestleMania 14. But the heel lists were thin. I’m sure he could’ve feuded with Triple H again, but the I think the fans had that culmination at No Way Out. Angle could’ve been next, but that feud would’ve been boring. The next big heel would’ve been the Big Show, that would’ve been terrible as well. With the Invasion coming, Austin would’ve had more heel players in the form of WCW and ECW. It is what it is.

They did boo Austin

Vince clipped all the talent (the draws) and killed the territories. If they wanted a hill to die on it would have been making a better counter offer

@TL2354

Жыл бұрын

Vince didn’t kill the territories

I always thought it was funny that one of the alleged(i say alleged because i wasnt there and this is just internet rumors) reasons Austin didnt want to work with Hogan was because the fans would've turned on Austin. Well if Austin or WWF wanted Austin to go heel, a match with Hogan would've been the best way to go. But there's no way you could've done Hogan vs Austin at WrestleMania 17

They could have made it work for a while if Rock was chasing the title otherwise no.

I don't understand why Austin couldn't just stay face and feud with Benoit, Jericho, Guerrero or even start the feud with HHH again to get his win back from no way out ...they also could've made Kurt Angle a serious threatening heel and him be a serious threat to Austins title run ....he had plenty to work with until the end of the year. Horrible booking here

autins heel turn was a failure

15 seconds in and jr is mentioned aew! Please stop that s**t

@tarrusthundermaddoxTHEHUNDRED

3 жыл бұрын

Glad someone else noticed that

@mrassassinscreedfan1

3 жыл бұрын

He has to promote wwe dynamite 😆

@cborusty3316

3 жыл бұрын

That was pretty cringe. Comparing Raw in 2001 to AEW 🤣🤣

@vaishalikasturiwale4655

2 жыл бұрын

@@cborusty3316 lmao I compare it too pg WWE only..kinda around late 2014

Stone Cold is the GOAT

Hhh was supposed to be a baby face. But hhh is hhh so 😢

It was sad to learn steve Austin would beat Debra. I guess he was really stone cold. Can’t support him anymore 👎🏽

@zachhawkins5005

3 жыл бұрын

He didn't beat debra.

@dannysanchez9919

3 жыл бұрын

@@zachhawkins5005 uhm. Yeah he did. She just did an interview talking about it. Look it up. Smh 🤦🏽‍♂️

@zachhawkins5005

3 жыл бұрын

@@dannysanchez9919 You believe everything dont you.

@dannysanchez9919

3 жыл бұрын

@@zachhawkins5005 what has she gained from saying that. As a matter of fact he gained everything when she lost everything jackass. Im sure ur wife is sporting a black eye as well

@zachhawkins5005

3 жыл бұрын

@@dannysanchez9919 Wow that's quite the slanderous accusation to make on the internet, maybe KZread should give you a vacation from posting for a while.