There's a good interview/documentary with Lou Thesz on youtube from the 80's. In it he gives his opinion on each NWA champion/world champion since it's inception with Hackenshimidt.

@shortyeee21

2 жыл бұрын

That sounds very interesting, thank you!

@MrNWA4Life

2 жыл бұрын

Huh? The NWA's inception was 1948 and Orville Brown was the first champion.

@GETole

Жыл бұрын

@@MrNWA4Life He typed "NWA champion/world champion", not merely NWA Champion. Hackenschmidt is widely recognized as the first wrestling world champion and this predates the NWA World Championship.

@dor5392

4 ай бұрын

What is it called?

Fun wrestling fact: AJ Styles has wrestled more matches in WWE (6 year tenure) than in TNA (12 year tenure)

@nina2x

2 жыл бұрын

Fun Fact: AJ Made more money in WWE his first year, than his first 4 in TNA combined. I have no proof, it's an assumption, but dammit I know it's true!

@AlexanderMacAoidh

2 жыл бұрын

@@nina2x he left because TNA took 60% off his paycheck I think

@Filmation77

2 жыл бұрын

@@AlexanderMacAoidh yep dixie carter screwed the pooch big time on that .especially cause A.J. was mad loyal to TNA.it's one of the reasons why Dixie only has 5% of impact wrestling and there's no more "TNA"

@Cruising_On_Lake_Havasoma

2 жыл бұрын

@@AlexanderMacAoidh Because they couldn't afford his full salary. They probably wouldn't have even been able to afford to pay what they did offer him.

@Cruising_On_Lake_Havasoma

2 жыл бұрын

Curious to see who paid him more per match. Wouldn't be surprised if it was TNA.

Cornette is so awesome. Great knowledge. This video is great education on history of the NWA.

Lou Thesz vs Bruno Sammartino happened in 1963 in Toronto. It supposedly drew about 9,000. Thesz did the match as heel. The match ended in a new double-count out where Thesz at the end of the count moved an arm to barely touch Bruno and was declared the winner. Negotiating the booking for the match and the finish must of been a nightmare.

@TheSportsfan35

2 жыл бұрын

@Jim Turner, & sadly there's no footage here on YT of Bruno working with Lou.

@Travlr013

4 ай бұрын

Bruno was a God in Toronto in the 1960s (T.O. had the largest Italian community in North America at that time), but Toronto was in a down-turn at that point, and even Bruno couldn't pop the house more than ~9000 between '63 and '68 (at that point, Maple Leaf Gardens was SRO at about 12,000 for wrestling; after the renovations in 1971-ish, 14,500 was SRP). But it was Bruno's work in T.O. prior to 63 that made Vince Sr., decide to go with him over Rogers. Bruno also had a good run in Montreal during his "NYC blackball days". I don't know who was booking for Tunney then, it could have been Billy Watson, but he didn't do a lot of booking during those years. Ed Farhat and others would take over post-1968, but 1963? You may wanna talk to Jim Melby or Greg Oliver about that....

I love it when cornie talks about NWA. You should do a NWA segment everyday . I love the history of wrestling before I got to watch it my wrestling viewership started in 83 as a five-year-old.. so this stuff is always fun to listen to

Frank Tunney in Toronto backed both Funks as well as Harley . Dusty laid a huge egg in Toronto in 81. Frank Tunney was also pushing Dewey Robertson in the early 80's.

The NWA schedule in the days of Thez was 200 dates spread out over 40 weeks Thez got 10% of the gate plus travel and another 3% that was split up between Sam Munchnick and Strangler Lewis

Jack Brisco and Harley Race couldn't have been defeated by anyone. Except Danny Hodge.

Actually, when Dusty won his second title in 1981 he was working in Georgia. When he won the first time he was in Florida.

I know how important the NWA was to Jim, but damn, it was easier to book an international war than the world champion.

6 ай бұрын

To be a fly on the wall in those meetings.

NWA meetings sound like mobster negotiations in the movies.

@johngallagher72

2 жыл бұрын

It was a monopoly for the most part so you're probably pretty close on that.

@Travlr013

4 ай бұрын

You're not far wrong. Even the promoters that everyone tended to like -- Frank Tunney, Sam, Vince Sr. -- were no strangers to playing nasty when they had to.

I wish Jim cornette would just write a book about all the wrestling territories and how ppl traveled from place to place. Also the pay for wrestling. I think alot of these new wrestler's would appreciate the business more if they knew the history of it.

LOVE this upload and going over the extremely interesting history and politics of the NWA World Title. I would've LOVED to have been in the room for those NWA National meetings in the 50s, 60s, and 70s

Bruno vs thez In MSG what a sight that'll be

Man I love the (G)old school wrestling talk.

Rogers was a controversial choice. He was one of the least trusted guys in the business in that era and had a whole gang of guys around him that he would get card positions for. The rogers era lasted a long time, but they were done with him as a true NWA champion in a few months. Rogers hurt alot of wrestlers. Crippling people he worked with is why he was so unpopular behind the scenes. Even the guys in the Northeast eventually figured him out and got rid of him.

@chrischar9428

2 жыл бұрын

List them all

@philipclarke9696

2 жыл бұрын

@Jim Tuner Rogers wasn’t reliable but him being on the card was like printing money.

@maxxdahl6062

2 жыл бұрын

He also used to say "Screw your friends, become friends with your enemies so you can screw them too."

@Jim-Tuner

2 жыл бұрын

@@philipclarke9696 Yeah. He drew money. But he was better used (in my opinion) as a specialty wrestler rather than as a champion. He needed to be kept on a short leash and put in against only guys who could take of themselves. He especially needed to be kept out of any position where he could get leverage over a promotion. Better as a special event challenger than as a champion.

@maxxdahl6062

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jim-Tuner He also liked to go to a territory with his "crew" of friends, burn them out, leave the territory when it's about to go down and crash.

I love hearing Corny talk about old school topics like this :)

It's crazy guys like HHH, Punk, Cena, Orton, etc have been of politicking.. and they all have to some level, but back then it was crazy. The top guys basically didn't do jobs at all. For decades

@madbrowniac7871

2 жыл бұрын

At least not "in front of 70,000 people at The Superdome!"😏😂🎤🐴💎💸🤼‍♂️B.W.

I'm no expert, but I've always read/heard that Thesz wasn't as big of a draw in the northeast as he was in most of the rest of the country.

@Jim-Tuner

2 жыл бұрын

Thesz drew in the northeast. But an ethnic champion like Bruno drew better. The other problem with Thesz (generally) is that if he came to a town, he would crush the local guy. That was good for Thesz, but bad for business in that town.

Bruno was not the in-ring worker that all the other prominent NWA champions were, I don't think it would of worked in places other than the northeast.

@quentinkaasa47

2 жыл бұрын

There's only about a handful of prominent NWA World champions and Bruno was just as good of a worker (whatever you're trying to imply with that term) as Dusty was.

@harrydaniels2788

2 жыл бұрын

@@quentinkaasa47- Harley Race and Jack Briscoe are Ric Flair were great workers better than Bruno was. Bruno mostly kicked and stomped his opponents. Harley, Jack and Ric actually wrestled. 🤔👍!!

@quentinkaasa47

2 жыл бұрын

@@harrydaniels2788 Backlund could do a variety of wrestling maneuvers too, doesn't mean he was overall a great worker.

@harrydaniels2788

2 жыл бұрын

@@quentinkaasa47 - I watched some Bob Backlund matches on KZread and he was boring. Even his promos were boring but the guy could wrestle.

@MrAitraining

2 жыл бұрын

Bruno could wrestle scientifically but he played to big crowds who just wanted him to kick and bloody the main heel of the moment. He was not a great seller though and a world champion has to be able to make others look great. That was def not Bruno's thing.

Cereal sounds good, I think I'll get those 4 boxes. :::Goes to website:: Chris Rock's Cheap Pete Voice: "FORTY DOLLAS?? GOOD LORD That's a lotta money".

In my Opinion Jim Cornett is the Most influential Non wrestling Talent in the History of the Business.....

@kevindouglas5333

2 жыл бұрын

Not even in top 50

@tyrannicaltypomichaeltester

2 жыл бұрын

@@kevindouglas5333 then you don't know the business got it

@dibslin2.081

2 жыл бұрын

Vince McMahon by far and it isn't even close. 90% of fans wouldn't be fans without Vince and the WWE.

@tyrannicaltypomichaeltester

2 жыл бұрын

@@dibslin2.081 pfft Vince stole from people don't get me wrong he did do a lot but Hes ruined as many careers as founded But I can see that..Still say Jimmy>> Vince

@tafariali-alkebulan3325

2 жыл бұрын

NO, that's Heyman

McMahon Sr actually sat on the NWA board for periods. He was one of the men who gave Flair the nod in 81.

@maxxdahl6062

Жыл бұрын

Gagne too, I think Gagne was actually kept on the entire time for the most part.

@Travlr013

4 ай бұрын

@@maxxdahl6062 Unofficially, I think. Verne had points in St. Louis, and he and Sam were always friendly, but I don't recall him on any of the membership lists for the annual meetings then. But he was a voice that would have been listened to, even if he didn't have a vote.

@maxxdahl6062

4 ай бұрын

@@Travlr013 I think he was there, undocumented if I'm not mistaken. I seem to remember people saying he still got a vote for champion, etc. As did vince sr.

@Travlr013

4 ай бұрын

@@maxxdahl6062 Not all (promoter) members had a vote on who would be Champion; they had to be on the Championship Committee, which I THINK was limited to 7 people. Verne, not being an official member wouldn't have been there for that, Sam's friend or not.

@maxxdahl6062

4 ай бұрын

@@Travlr013 Not all, that is correct. Paul Boesch nor Joe Blanchard would be able to. But I've heard people such as Flair say both Verne and Vince Sr voted for his first championship run in what 1979? Long after they both broke away from the NWA. Granted it was an amicable split.

Never heard his Magic Spoon Commercial..... That was too much...LOL

I love how the NWA World's Heavyweight Championship has the old Canadian flag. Great art.

@Travlr013

4 ай бұрын

Weirdly , the Maple Leaf flag had been around for nearly 10 years by the time that belt was made....

@bashnagata3496

4 ай бұрын

@@Travlr013 I didn't know that. I wonder why they kept the old design on?

Is Charlie from Starkville Brandon Walker?

Sounds like Eddie Graham is the answer.

Fun Game for the Chat. Let’s say they did this today between the “promoters” today. So let’s say Vince, TK, NJPW, Billy Corgan, and whoever runs IMPACT.: who would they pick to be NWA Champ? It’s gotta be Roman ?

@ronniejdio9411

2 жыл бұрын

Is Roman the draw or is the brand the draw ?

@argusfartman8416

2 жыл бұрын

Brock Lesnar?

@mysonandme8424

2 жыл бұрын

if not brock, then cody or bryan danielson

@argusfartman8416

2 жыл бұрын

@@ronniejdio9411 When Roman takes vacation, the viewer ship dips. Sometimes as low as Raw. He might not be Prime Hulk Hogan, but he is money.

@RLSmith-uo9zs

2 жыл бұрын

@@ronniejdio9411 that’s a great point. I’m not sure. Last weeks ratings were up, but like you alluded too was that because Roman Returned or people wanted to see Vince

These are the segments I could listen to for an hour. I love the territory stuff.

Lou Thez v Bruno Sanmartino at Madison Square Garden in the mid 60s probably could have pulled in 7 figure gate easy

@TheSportsfan35

2 жыл бұрын

@, & I'm sure if Bruno would've worked with Verne, that they could've made alot of $ like 6 or 7 figures also

i love this Shit... Cornette has a memory like an elephant... nwa territory history is like a godfather movie....

You forgot about "Whipper" Billy Watson out of Toronto.

I get really high and listen to these , I always forget the ad at the end so I’m just confused about Jim ranting about something weirdly specific like magic spoon

I am surprised they didn't make Verne champion, he was about as legit as it got.

Artwork is fire!!!!

"Bruno wasn't trained in shoot wrestling" Google- Bruno trained in wrestling in high school and by the university of Pittsburgh coach......🤷🏿‍♂️

@martyklestadt6766

2 жыл бұрын

But would that be enough to be a shoot wrestler in the pros? Not sure.

@kevindouglas5333

2 жыл бұрын

High school. Really. That's the hill you want to die on

@wwltd3036

2 жыл бұрын

That's not shoot wrestling. Thats amateur wrestling.

@johngallagher72

2 жыл бұрын

I think Corny means Bruno was not the shoot wrestler Thez. A comparison would be someone like prime Triple H or John Cena both incredibly strong but no match for Kurt Angle.

Awesome Shoot Today Jim!!😎🐐🐐

What is the Atlanta incident that Brian references around 8:45?

@MarkWilson-jb6nk

Жыл бұрын

Probably the Gunkel's

On June 21, 1981 in Atlanta GA Dusty Rhodes scored a controversial victory over Harley Race to steal the NWA World Heavyweight Title for the second time. This began an 88 day title reign of terror which saw Rhodes do anything and everything underhanded and unsportsman-like to illegally retain the title. All of a sudden top contenders like Tommy Rich and Mr. Wrestling 2 could no longer get Championship matches. At least in the CWF a top contender, the Assassin, came forward. Dusty Rhodes faced the Assassin on August 11, 1981 when the Assassin defeated Dusty Rhodes by DQ. On August 12, 1981 in Miami the Assassin again defeated Dusty Rhodes by DQ. On the next night in Jacksonville Dusty Rhodes and the Assassin fought to a Double DQ. Do you notice a pattern here? That's right Dusty Rhodes got himself disqualified over and over again to retain the title. And the corrupt CWF and NWA protected their so-called "champion." It should be noted that the NWA and GCW waived the DQ rule for the June 21, 1981 match in Atlanta where Rhodes stole the title from Harley Race. But as soon as Rhodes stole the title the DQ rule was put back in place. On August 16, 1981 Rhodes ran away from the Assassin and the match ended in a double count out. Rhodes kept on running all the way out of Florida. It wasn't until the end of August that Rhodes worked up the courage to return to Florida. The Rhodes championship reign of terror finally ended on September 17, 1981 in Kansas City, KS when Ric Flair, a better man, won the NWA World Heavyweight Championship fair and square, without controversy.

@johngallagher72

2 жыл бұрын

I wonder if this was because Harley didn't want to put Flair over.

@Uuusssaaas

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly as I remember it.

@MrNWA4Life

2 жыл бұрын

Nice cut and paste job.

@matthewrock4725

5 ай бұрын

​@@johngallagher72Harley didn't seem to have a problem with Flair at the first starrcade

Starkville Charlie is the man! MY FB BUDDY AND JIM YOUR THE BEST BROTHER

When was the "Deposit" idea-situation invented involving the NWA World Champion?

I fell in Chicago

We need a clip of Cornette talking about 80s wwf and WrestleMania 3

@Cruising_On_Lake_Havasoma

2 жыл бұрын

Email him a question about it.

@maxxdahl6062

2 жыл бұрын

He's commented on it before, if I remember right he liked it for the "attraction" but as an actual product he wouldn't put it above many of the starrcades.

@omarhosam8880

2 жыл бұрын

@@Cruising_On_Lake_Havasoma How do you send an email to the podcast?

@Cruising_On_Lake_Havasoma

2 жыл бұрын

@@omarhosam8880 He says it at the beginning of every episode. I forget what the email is off hand. They have a Twatter account too.

That's the longest money I've ever seen. 💸

I remember nwa did that invasion angle in 98 with Jim cornette. It was great until they came up with the new midnight express. Who were Bob Holly and Bart Gunn. Great wrestler's but the tag team was so silly and they deserved better.

Anyone on here remember a wrestler by name of Sonny King when in WWWF. Just don't hear to much about Sonny King.

@tommylewis7558

2 жыл бұрын

Yes! He was a manager in Florida around 76 & 77. It was Sony Kings army.

@amirokareem3535

2 жыл бұрын

@@tommylewis7558 Thanks, I remember seeing I remember seeing Sonny King and Chief Jay Strongbow were tag team partners in the WWWF .

@madbrowniac7871

2 жыл бұрын

Managed The Moondogs in NWA Georgia. Was a Heel Manager for The Fullers in NWA Southeastern. There's a clip on here where the very menacing Sonny King and his heavies threaten Big Red Reese and the very young Rick Morton on TV in Memphis. S.K.'s trademark was a lollipop in the style of heroic Seventies TV Detective "Kojak" as played by the equally clean shaven Telly Savalas.🤔👮‍♂️🎤🤼‍♂️B.W.

@dirkdiggler6483

2 жыл бұрын

Remember him in Memphis he tagged for a time with Rick Morton

Could Lou have been mad at Buddy because Buddy walked into Lou's hometown and outdrew him? Can exactly say that? Have to come up with something.

So uhh, last night was something lol

Bruno was a class act.

That Belt is The most beautiful 🤩

Mentioning Rock in the same breath with Hogan and Flair is ridiculous.

Harley Race was the best NWA champion. I got to see Brisco, Dory, Nick Bockwinkle, Sammartino etc. during their numerous Australian tours in the mid 1960s thru to the mid 70s. Harley put over local champion, Ron Miller, in 1977, then wrestled 2 great (not boring) title matches with Miller. Brisco was boring. Funk wasn't much better. Sammartino was so predictable. In my opinion, the best wrestler I ever saw was Ray Stevens, who should have been WWWF or NWA champion.

Jim Cornette is the best goddamn pitchman. I'm ready to buy a car from him, and I don't even need one.

The best promoter besides Vince Mcmahon was Jack Tunney out of Toronto.

@whatever_it_takes6691

2 жыл бұрын

Graham

@lewissmith3896

2 жыл бұрын

And look what happened to him later.

@1978mackdaddy

2 жыл бұрын

@@lewissmith3896 FAX

@madbrowniac7871

2 жыл бұрын

Ric Flair always spoke very fondly of Frank and Jack Tunney as well as Eddie Graham.🤔🎤🐴💎🇨🇦🍊🌊☀️🌴🤼‍♂️B.W.

@MrNWA4Life

2 жыл бұрын

Try again

3:23

There is a name that has not been spoken of in a long time. I like the guy too and got to see him in action and I believe my mother and her friend got to eat breakfast with him and some of the other guys Like Bruno, Andrae the giant, Haystack, Cheif Jay strong bow, those are the guys I remember as a kid just being able to hang out with at these events in Worchester mass I believe it was during Vince's father days.

@nunyafuckinbizniz

2 жыл бұрын

Was she a ring rat????

Funk Sr was a Rascally ring villian Jr was the skilled ring technician but he could be villainous as needed Terry Funk acts just like his Dad

Fuck ima have to get some Magic spoon they must be doin something right half the YT channels watch plugged them 🥣

@travismcdonald6576

2 жыл бұрын

Peanut butter is excellent!

@maxxdahl6062

2 жыл бұрын

@@travismcdonald6576 Can never go wrong with peanut butter.

@maitreyas.4902

2 жыл бұрын

I looked it up. Too expensive for me.

@travismcdonald6576

2 жыл бұрын

@@maitreyas.4902 It is pricey.

@joshuaDstarks

2 жыл бұрын

Overpriced.

"I've hung and I've bung" - Hulk Hogan

When will Tony Khan try to bring in the NWA World Title to AEW to Crown yet another New Champion and Add to their Plethora of Belts?!….

@stevegyles3190

2 жыл бұрын

When he throws enough of his daddy's money at Billy Pumpkin to walk away?

@Filmation77

2 жыл бұрын

@@stevegyles3190 But Billy anit gonna go out like that. even though TK could buy the Alliance just like that.(he brought the very troublesome ROH,so come on)

@stevegyles3190

2 жыл бұрын

@@Filmation77 Billy is smart enough not to bleed money though. If his shows can't draw enough to pay the talent, he'll shut down. Everyone has a magic number.

@ameliastencil6058

2 жыл бұрын

Pretty simple.. if you don't like... don't watch.. stop being a keyboard warrior 🙄

@Filmation77

2 жыл бұрын

@@stevegyles3190 but remember he shut down before during the first wave of the pandemic,and a lot of his NWA talent were loyal to him to their credit,they even helped with Billy C's "Carnyland" concept (remember that) and I actually liked the IDEA of it. Even Eli Drake/L.A. Knight/whatever hes called on Smackdown now, stayed as long as he could,for NO Money, until NXT came calling.i think he'll only give up the NWA if it doesn't INSPIRE him anymore. And Billy's a real fan he was even president of Impact until Dixie Carter, pretty much swindled Him out of a few million

Do you like nature? Do you like boys?

About to listen to Jim's reaction to Roe vs Wade

@naughtiusmaximus1811

2 жыл бұрын

Roe had a foot on the ropes!

@josephcolella3107

2 жыл бұрын

I’m sure he will blame trump

@maxxdahl6062

2 жыл бұрын

@@josephcolella3107 And it would be well placed. He appointed the pieces of shit to the SCOTUS.

@cashmerethoughts8096

2 жыл бұрын

@@josephcolella3107 IT IS LOL YOU DIDNT SEE THE “WHITE LIFE” COMMENT? LOL IT ALL STEMS FROM HIM AND HIS RACIST BELIEFS

@anticharlie1

2 жыл бұрын

@@josephcolella3107 lol yeah, orange man bad.

What about the time hulk Hogan said he could pin anyone 1 2 3 in the locker room as long as it was in the 🛏️ bedroom. Yeah good times. 🍖 It was raining 🌧️ men . That was the forecast when they were together I guess 🤔. It was the WWF at the time in talking about

@maxxdahl6062

2 жыл бұрын

Hogan wasn't in the NWA for any length of time before going to the AWA and then to the WWF.

@danielburger1775

2 жыл бұрын

@@maxxdahl6062 Hogan was briefly NWA World Champion. If you count Fujinami, you gotta count Hogan too.

@maxxdahl6062

2 жыл бұрын

@@danielburger1775 No one counts that, not even the NWA.

@danielburger1775

2 жыл бұрын

@@maxxdahl6062 And the point is, using the exact same reasoning, nobody should count Fujinami either. What next, recognizing Sid from Havoc 90?

@maxxdahl6062

2 жыл бұрын

@@danielburger1775 If the NWA doesn't count it. Why should anyone else? That's like saying Carpentier was a legitimate NWA champion too. When no one but maybe 2 promoters recognized it.

First

@rockybalboa1847

2 жыл бұрын

CONGRATULATIONS... for being 1st you win.... SWEET FUCK ALL....had you been 2nd or 3rd you would have won.... NOT A DAMN THING

@Cruising_On_Lake_Havasoma

2 жыл бұрын

Nobody gives a fuck.

Of course Cornette is somewhat bias to Thesz as NWA champ. Although I am partial to NWA and that style of wrestling, as opposed to the garbage McMahon Sr. promoted, I wonder if Thesz, at 50, could have beaten a 30 years old Sammartino if it came to a shoot regardless of his extensive shoot background and training. FJB!

In 1966 Lou Thesz is 50 years old, Bruno Sammartino is 31. Thesz is a fantastic wrestler, that short arm scissors take down was a predictable but indefensible move. He was a talented mat man. However forcefully taking on a young super strong man would have been impossible as a shoot. Sammartino would have wiped the mat with him. Look at Sammartino vs Giant Baba in this time period, he could grapple. Don’t think that by watching Sammartino’s grudge matches in the 70s, that’s all there was to him. Some say Buddy Rogers was a better wrestler than Sammartino. That he was, but he couldn’t out power him. Take a look at a young Bruno Sammartino man handling Buddy before the historic title change. kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZqKft6iCaJnInrw.html