At the end of the day the Tanners ended up being the most influential couple on Mormonism during the past 50 years.

I did my CE & Youth internship at the Salt Lake Alliannce church. Sandra was the CE director when I was there. Adore this precious lady. She is amazing and has the best sense of humor.

I owe a debt of gratitude to the Tanners for having a hand in saving my life. My only life would have been wasted on a lie, and they directly and indirectly by influence brought forth so much of the truth about the church that I found my way out. Thank you Sandra and Jerald.

Sandra Tanner is beloved by me, as Jerald was. She is NOT full of hate. When I spoke to her in SLC, I began to feel that if either of us was a "hater"... it was I. I will not entertain any negative suggestion that her motives are anything but the purest. Her ministry has never benefitted her in any material way. They were in danger, and if given the time, they would likely been in the cross-hairs of Mark Hofmann.

@richardholmes5676

Жыл бұрын

She IS full of hate.

@ChristyAnneStrike

8 ай бұрын

No she is full of Love to be able to bring Historical Truth of Joseph Smirh CEO

The scholarship of Jerald and Sandra Tanner, and their masterpiece “Mormonism: Shadow or Reality” was, and will continue to be the original force challenging the claims of Mormonism. Thank you John, for this interview!

I'm a never been Mormon, but I'm fascinated by the Church and Sandra is my must listen to interviews. Thank you Dr. John for making this interview possible!

@richardholmes5676

Жыл бұрын

Check out the book from Robert and Rosemary Brown. The Browns expose the dishonest tactics of the Tanners.

I love Sandra so much. I'm forever grateful for her path with Jerald to find truth and share all their findings. She's an amazing beautiful woman. Please have her on as a monthly podcast discussing more of her amazing stories and/or history of various topics

Sandra Tanner! Such an amazing woman and wellspring of information...and INSPIRATION! Thank you MS for another can't miss interview.

I remember many many (50 +) years ago buying their Xeroxed and spiral bound publications in the bookstore in their home. I still have them. These materials were instrumental in my journey to freedom and thankful they were there.

Thank you for this so much. I'm glad in 1993 I left and resigned my membership and priesthood as an Elder. I got news letters from Utah Lighthouse Ministries. All of you including the Tanners are good people. Sandra and Jerald's research is amazing. I have Mormonism shadow or Realty. God bless you all! Sincerely, Matthew

Wow! I need to buy this book! I love Sandra, and Jerald Tanner! Grateful that you have her in the house! So awesome! Thank-You, John Dehlin and Family! You people are amAzing! ♥️😎♥️

Love Sandra Tanner! God bless her and Gerald!!! Thank you! She and the underground group’s motivation reminds me of the kid in the mob crowd saying”The emperor has no clothes! The emperor has no clothes!!”

Wow! Every time I hear about Gerald and his commitment, drive and research I am impressed. And Sandra is such a good communicator, organizer and storyteller. These stories blow my mind. When I hear stories like these I think to myself that it's no wonder so many conservative Mormons buy into so many conspiracy theories!!!

John Larsen and SANDRA TANNER in the same week?!?! We've been spoiled!

Love Sandra. More Sandra Tanner episodes please!!

Never-Mormon and I look forward to each time Sandra is on. Just ordered the book!

Just excellent! Thank you for having Sandra on again.

Such important historians, the Tanner's work is invaluable. They have saved many faithful believers mental health. Leaving 'the only truth you know' is emotionally destructive. And the only source of help, has been reading material from truth seekers. And then realizing 'I am not crazy, I was lied to!' Betrayal from a spouse, or friend is hard enough. Being betrayed by your religion is heartbreaking.

Another fabulous episode & so well produced & executed by all. Louise Tanner & her husband were clear trailblazers who persisted in shining a big bright light on the layers of untruths in the Mormon church; thereby changing many lives for the better.

Im a Franco-mauritian. Living on a tiny island far away from America. I just stumbled across this channel and I'm finding it incredibly educational. If you can imagine someone who knows nothing about being a Mormon, how crazy the religion comes across if you try to explain it to someone who has never heard of it before. It's wild. I know this sounds incredibly ignorant but some people in the world do not have knowledge about Mormonism. It really sounds crazy that educated Adults believe all the chosen people landed up in Utah, America. I don't mean to offend anyone. Can you imagine listening from an outsiders perspective?? Anyway, I will continue to educate myself.

@parrotlover9035

Жыл бұрын

It is truly nonsensical. My family has a lot of mormon stories, beginning at the church's inception. My ancestors 7 generations ago bought into it early on; they were some of the first baptisms and formed the first congregation in New York, 1930. They have a street named after them in the most famous town the mormons built in Illinois. My maternal grandparents were born and raised in the polygamist mormon colonies of Mexico (1880s) because polygamy was illegal in the US. One of my grandfathers 5 generations back had 50 kids with 3 wives. He helped build several mormon towns in the mid 1800s...

@nicolesuzanne9578

Жыл бұрын

@@parrotlover9035 That is very interesting. It is crazy how different parts of the world have different opinions and religions. My family, I can trace back around seven generations as well. Heavily influenced by the roman catholic religion here. My Great-grandfather even met the pope. People have this clear belief that what their family believes is the correct religion and the clear path but it's really just a matter of where you ended up being born and raised. I would love to visit America one day and learn about all the history.

Brilliant interview! I bought the Kindle for iPad version; I hope that counts. 😉 All of the contributors - Sandra, John, Rebecca, and Ron - made this episode soar.

Amazing. May God continue to bless and guide you on your journey Tanner family and all others on this podcast :)

I love this podcast/program.

I paused and just purchased the book. Thank you.

Just ordered thr book. Thank you Sandra for opening eyes with the truth.

I just got my book in the mail and I can’t wait to read it. I love Sandra! Thanks for this video .

@zelphx

Жыл бұрын

You must live on the Wasatch front!😫

I would like to see Sandra make a brand new request for her FBI file now. I wonder if she would get basically the entire thing in 2022. But if it is still massively redacted, Sandra could write a letter to her congressperson saying, (1) No, we were never Communists and (2) I do want our file. I bet she could get it.

Sandra is my spirit animal

The Tanners are the gold standard

I’m so excited to hear that my grandmas brother in law Lamar was friends with the Tanners 😮

In the year of 1990 something, I read a report by utah county health department that there are more people per Capita on Zoloft and psycho therapy in Utah than any other state in the great country of America.

The Tanners' scholarship has given so many of us the truth that "the church" tries so hard to hide .

An interesting podcast. I met Sandra Tanner once in 1992 when I showed up at the Utah Lighthouse Ministry unannounced to buy some of their material that they published. I was just barely off an LDS mission and she looked at me skeptically from behind her door. I probably looked like a Mormon spy to her, so I can understand her reaction. But she did sell me a few tracts and answered my questions, and she was polite. I initially became interested in her and Jerald after running into their positions about the church in my youth and saw their Mormonism: Shadow and Reality in my local library. I do remember in my childhood about the effects of Ed Decker and the Godmakers, Walter Martin and CRI, etc. When I was a kid in Orem these evangelicals would come around the neighborhood and throw their anti-Mo books on the driveway of the homes. Some of these books quoted the Tanners at length. I personally felt they were little more than thinly-veiled hate. When I was in New Zealand on a mission I had heard stories that in the 1980's whole congregations left the church in some places as a result. I would agree that their research was based on documents. I seem to remember that they had a microfilm company or something. The thing I didn't like about their books and pamphlets the most however was not their content or conclusions, but the annoying CAPTILIZATION in their format that appears throughout them in order to overemphasize a point. That got wearying. The other thing I recall about their work is the whole negative vibe it had to it. I realize that coming out and doing what they did that pointing out what they felt they needed to about the Church, it was probably unavoidable.

I love Sandra she is just amazing

Love your work Thank You

I often put myself in a believing Mormons shoes and pretend I'm hearing this info for the first time. I marvel at their ability to wrest the veracity of "truth" they think they have. Emotional alchemy at best; delusion at worst. Though we'll likely have access to the Tanners work for years to come, many people won't read, so to have the information on a platform such as MS, it's a great thing.

The editing of this interview makes it a smooth listen.

@mormonstories

Жыл бұрын

Editing?

@miriam-moore

Жыл бұрын

@@mormonstories this is replayed as is? It seemed to have a fast pace, and I assumed some editing was to thank. No?

Love the MSBC! I really appreciate the Tanners for being so committed to finding the truth. But still not seeing the link to buy the book.

This was amazing and so eye opening! I remember in 1974 my great grandfather was a temple worker at the Salt Lake temple. He related how a patron had come to go to the temple and some of the workers had a weird feeling about this man. Long story short is apparently the man had negro blood (as he called it) and they wouldn't let him in.

I think it would be interesting to know what Sandra would most like to see that is held or believed to be held by the LDS church? Their are various documents and records alluded to in indexes and other works that are in the 1st Presidency's vault which almost no one has access.

'Crisis of Conscience' by Raymond Franz, a former Jehovah's Witnesses Governing Body member, wrote this account 3 years after his expulsion. It's an apostate classic. I haven't read it but have heard it's highly regarded. 'American Sermons: The Pilgrims to Martin Luther King Jr.' (Library of America) is great. 'Elusive Grace' by Rev. Dr. Scott Black Johnston is a splendid study of loving one's enemies while pursuing social justice. It's deep. I recommend these as well as 'A Short History of Atheism' by Gavin Hyman. ' L. Ron Hubbard, Messiah or Madman?' by Bent Corydon is another apostate book that's fine. Dr. Steven Hassan's (cult expert) books are good.

@zelphx

Жыл бұрын

He was a PILLAR in the world of JW "whistle-blowers", and a wonderful person.

My first, and only anti-LDS book I ever owned or needed, was a copy of "Mormonism: Shadow or Reality" over 20 years ago. It was so very well-researched and revelatory. I found and sent a beautiful red pristine classic 1965 copy as an xmas gift. Unfortunately, the recipient found it interesting, but recipient's spouse freaked out and disposed of it.

I also have in my library, the Book Dallin Oaks wrote about Joseph Smith Jr. And Carthage Jail. That was an interesting book.

Falta habilitar el traductor Gracias 🙏

I've never been Mormon but I love watching these videos. My question is do most people who leave the Mormon church become Christian since the origins of Mormonism was based on the holy Bible?

@andrewsuryali8540

Жыл бұрын

Around half go on to become nonbelievers with roughly 40% becoming straight atheist. IIRC of the other half that remain believers only around 30% become Christians. This doesn't mean the rest become Hindus or something. They just go on to become theistic non-denominationalists or some sort of rational deist. If you stick around in Mormon Stories, you'll fimd out that the current crop of ex-Mormons have included problems with the Bible itself in the mix, including things like Adam and Eve, Noah's flood, Second Isaiah, changes made to the four canonical gospels, and pseudepigrapha in the NT. This is why the more recent ex-Mormons are far more likely to drop out of organized religion altogether rather than follow the Tanners into Christianity.

The Tanner's book was one of the first anti Mormon books I read, back 40 years ago. I was given a pamphlet in which they quoted Joseph's boasting speech. It sounded horrible so I went to the library to look it up for myself. I was truly amazed how these people who called themselves Christian could lie so much. I learned a lot about understanding propaganda by reading their book.

Could not get hold of it.But will go back later.

For those of you interested in Rebecca Bibliotheca's new podcast Mormon.ish that she mentioned during the show the link is below: kzread.info/dash/bejne/iHtsz8tqnNWnado.html

My daughter ordered this book for me for my Birthday. Should I read the book first?

@mormonstories

Жыл бұрын

Yes!

@zelphx

Жыл бұрын

My wife is going to have to order one for herself; this book is the TRUE "golden book" to me.

Beyond the Tanners, in 1952 Lowry Nelson published the policy argument for blacks and the priesthood.

James Wardle isn’t related to the head male actor Graham Wardle in Heartland ? Which has about the longest standing yearly TV drama!

Tremendous lady, there.

In about 1993 or so i read a report by utah county health department that there are more people per Capita in the great state of zion on Zoloft and psycho therapy than any other state in the great country of America. Is that true?

What are the links for the book club and the podcast?

Relatives of Eldon Tanner no doubt?

Im a Baptist From Texas new nothing about Mormons I moved to American fork Utah and lived there for 7 years man did I find out

Where are the show notes?

Growing up in the Catholic Church I have always had issues with the Mormons calling these young boys " Priest " and "Apostle " just the use of titles has always caused my stomach turns ... Did not know this until I was dating my Ex husband and around his Family... Those titles were given after years of study and learning and commitment to the Church... Oh don't get me started in the " Baptism of the Dead " ...so sacrelgionist ....

American Gods episode Utah

Is Dr John Dehlin an ex Mormon? I cant tell for sure!

@Ceecee819

3 ай бұрын

He was excommunicated from the Mormon church

Why don’t you do episodes on the Catholic religion? They could give you hours and hours of footage

Is this lady related to Susan W Tanner?

Does anyone understand the link between NAMBLA and this Mormon stories podcast KZread site?

@zelphx

Жыл бұрын

You're DISTURBED.

@jakeolthof

Жыл бұрын

@@zelphx oh yes, the Mormon church and it's pedophile priests did not leave me unscarred, that's for sure. This is why people that defend the Mormon church are pedophiles or worse. I am going to point out to the authorities that I can't post on Facebook without everybody seeing I'm a victim of Mormon pedophile priests. I hope you're doing more to stop the Mormons than simply point out how injured their victims are.

@jakeolthof

Жыл бұрын

Aren't the tanners a family of pedophiles that goes right back into the 19th century? It seems to me there was a degenerate general authority with that name back in the 80s.

@jakeolthof

Жыл бұрын

My children have all been raped by homosexuals because I wasn't homophobic. If you love your children be homophobic.

@jakeolthof

Жыл бұрын

@@randyjordan5521 I think it's more interesting what you think about him having sex with other women's husbands.

So I’m a real Christian and I didn’t come here for advertisements for books on Buddhism. What kind of ministry is this anyway?

@imkindofabigdeal4308

8 ай бұрын

Won't speak for John but in my mind this isn't a ministry but is a support group for folks recovering from experiences in high-demand religions and those suffering from religious OCD and other emotional trauma.

No doubt Joseph Fielding Smith is the king of cover-up.

Now, go forth and help people heal from the lie of Christianity......

How about a video on the Browns exposing the LIES of the Tanners?

Could you shorten these in any way? I mean they are long… there seems to be a lot of verbosity that could be edited out to make these interesting stories easier to listen to.. and the snorting and gagging should definitely be edited out

@melk6049

Жыл бұрын

I love that they are long and minimally edited.

You guys need to make up a new religion.