The amount of talent on that stage, omg.

Guys, Jaco was very ill. Leave him alone. Jeff played fantastic in this video, I'm blown away

Even when Jaco was off, he was still good. It's a shame what happened to him. He was amazing.

@71ELP

6 жыл бұрын

LMAO, Berlin is eating his lunch here

@morbidmanmusic

2 жыл бұрын

Lunch, really. ..? I wouldn't go that far? You still have a lunch box?

Aside from hearing two bass playing legends do their thing, I came here to read the 'Jeff vs Jaco' arguments...LOL!

@gray-6835

5 жыл бұрын

Hahahahah same! How can you even compare two great bass players?

@shalevd3227

3 жыл бұрын

There is no argument Jaco is the better one

@joanstone6740

2 жыл бұрын

@@shalevd3227 Jeff so corny

@Rabbitat68

2 жыл бұрын

@@shalevd3227 okay robot.

TWO OF THE BEST BASS PLAYERS EVER!

Oh I haven't seen this. 2 of my favourite bassists on stage together. I saw Jeff Berlin in 79 with Bill Bruford and Allan Holdsworth. He was phenomenal. Tbh there is no point in comparing Jeff and Jaco. They are different in their approach to the instrument. Two exceptional bass players, and I'm saying that as a huge fan of Jaco as well. So I'm not being biased😊. Thank you for uploading this

@joanstone6740

Жыл бұрын

The roxy

Really really cool seeing these 2 play together, really unfortunate and sad to see Jaco like this. He never got the help he needed, very tragic.

Just brought out my original Vinyl, first solo albums from both Jaco and Jeff, both mint, twice played and I think I'll just sit back in my studio and enjoy both. Yes, I bought them when they came out. Must admit I love Joni's Live album from I think it was 1980 in California, Shadows in Light... just one of the best Live swinging more modern albums I can recall. Wow can she pick a band ,that women see's thing's in players most people just can't ,enough said.

I got a chance to study with Jaco in nyc in 85. The lessons still stay with me til this day.

best lead guitar playing ive ever heard

Both of these guys were musical giants but this particular recording appears to have been made when Jaco was not at his best... To give Jeff Berlin credit, to this day he stays away from playing anything that's anywhere near a Jaco trademark. It's not because he can't play the stuff but that he's got so much respect for Jaco, same thing with Stanley Clarke, another friend of Jaco's. RIP Jaco!

@artysanmobile

4 жыл бұрын

Paul Simmons This ‘recording’ was just a cheap promo stunt by and for the BIT business conglomerate. Both Jeff and Jaco look like they would prefer a root canal to this nonsense. Please completely disregard this as having anything to do with the music of either.

@Coach49217

4 жыл бұрын

Jeff always speaks highly of Jaco and I respect him for that.

@morbidmanmusic

2 жыл бұрын

Are you kidding.. he plays all jaco riffs. That is what he does....

@Woohaaaaaa

11 ай бұрын

Jaco not at his best? Jeff is soloing and Jaco is laying back, just as good as ever. This was his expert area.

It didn't seem like a battle..... Jaco was trying to create a melodic line to amplify what Jeff was playing and also to create a bit of structure. Sounded more like a jam but a very technical one at that 🙂.

@walt686868

3 жыл бұрын

why is everyone saying Jaco is not his best here ?? He’s accompanying NOT soloing and he sounds great!!! Does he have to be playing super fast solos all the time ??!! He’s backing Jeff and the real challenge for a musician is to make OTHER musicians sound good and Jaco succeeds beautifully.

@fekkyb

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. Music is AN ART FORM. NOT A SPORT. 😂

@vbassone

3 жыл бұрын

This is not a jam, and yes of course there is structure because the tune they're playing is called "Invitation."

@jacocharzukanamericanautho2422

Жыл бұрын

Jaco was way better than Jeff was here. They both were great but you can’t compare anyone to Jaco.

Jeff Berlim is amazing, Jaco was a legend!!!

This is without a doubt my favorite video ever

Neils Pederson could do all that ,and more on an upright bass.Jaco was my inspiration on bass guitar, and Ray Brown on upright. Jaco also played nice piano. Music genius. All in all Pederson was the world's greatest bassist.Listen to him playing with Oscar Peterson.

@pierreandrewt1347

4 жыл бұрын

I hole-heartedly agree -- Niels-Henning Ørsted Pedersen is my favorite upright player. Jaco on bass guitar.

@qiitxxsmitj3491

3 жыл бұрын

Niels Hennings

@skineyemin4276

3 жыл бұрын

Many great jazz bassists, horn players and drummmer played great piano, it's not unique only to Jaco.

@OlePistolCooperation

2 жыл бұрын

It's Niels-Henning Ørsted Pedersen, he was Danish not swedish.

Jeff Berlin all day long !

As a Bass player myself, I humbly admit that I would not mind at all playing and sounding like either one of these two guys ...even on a bad day. They are (were in Jaco's case) both fantastic players in their own right. They are both in my Top 5 Greatest Bass Players of All Time list. Jack Bruce, Stanley Clarke and Percy Jones are the other three. Lots of great players came after them, but these 5 are THE ONES!

I met Jaco and his dad in Dallas backstage during the Mr Gone tour. He was showing signs of his future challenges. The band clearly could not wait to fulfill contracted obligations with him. Difficult to tour with him hence his dad was touring with him. They seemed like 2 peas in pod. Very much a like.

Playing fast isn't what made Jaco who he was,it was his ear and his ability to write and to play the perfect accompaniment as well as technique during a time when nobody was doing it. Anyone can learn to play fast.

@zonasound

6 жыл бұрын

excellent point. In fact, my I can play most of my favorite jaco bass lines, but i did not write them. And some of my most favorite bass lines he did were more thematic and unique like when he collabed with Joni mitchell. He did some amazing stuff that was really going against her voicings. Like you said, everyone seems to be hung up on virtuosity. I think of just as much of a composer as a bassist. His piano compositions are amazing I learned "unforgotten love on the piano" its chilling. Jaco himself loved many bassists that were didn't play anything fast. He loved reggae bassists, jamerson, and even paul mccartney bill wyman of the stones. Jaco said he appreciated some of the bassists in country music to latin funk . I like your post.

@zal8424

5 жыл бұрын

jaco is admired by many bass player like miller,wooten,gedy lee even berlin himself. i never heard someone idolize berlin before.

@paulmorrison4338

5 жыл бұрын

@marc smith Jaco died after being beaten in a bar fight

@paulmorrison4338

5 жыл бұрын

@@zal8424 lots of bass players idolize Jeff Berlin including Victor Wooten, Geddy Lee, Stu Hamm, Billy Sheehan, etc. Check out the JB album 'Champion' amazing stuff one of my top 5 faves (Enigmatic Ocean is still #1haha)saw JB recently joked around during the gig and signed stuff and chatted with fans after, couldn't have been nicer.

@zal8424

5 жыл бұрын

@@paulmorrison4338 to be honest, i idolize berlin than jaco. But this guy saying that jaco commit suicide after jam with berlin make me cringe so hard

Like Jeff, like Jaco! what a conundrum.. This is awesome...

There is innovation enough in this world for everyone. Love it? Do what they do to become one.

Jeff's mustache for the win!!!

Great stuff. Thanks!

People talk, as If even the "drunk" Jaco wasn't awesome...🙄 As a "Jam" was going on, saw no error by him; Flawless playing.

Gotta Love this shimingee . Smile , Chris CANADA... Geddy Loves You. I Think. Yes he dooo's

holy moly this is gold

We can all rhyme off a list of 50 100 200 players that... were... and... are... great in their own way , but we all steal from one another . I would never have developed my style of playing after 45 years, if not for all of them, and not just (bass player) lines . When I was in high-school in 1978 I read that Jaco studied trombone charts... guess what I did...When I went to Musicians Institute in 1982 I heard Jeff say play in the pocket , well I hope you all keep your ears listening too all the great players and make it work for you. It's one thing to be fan but we are all students, even the greats... Keep playin the blues in F.

@mcos6

4 жыл бұрын

Amen

It´s silly to try to tell if Jaco or Jeff was better. They are both great, just enjoy their music, and it´ll be allright!

@ulrichrohde4071

4 жыл бұрын

And when you have followed the creativity of Allan Holdsworth, some also great bassists will have crossed your way. For example, do you remember Skuli Sverisson? Jimmy Johnson? They are all great!

Two titans of the bass guitar, where the only one missing is the third titan, Stanley Clarke. The holt trinity of the bass whose influence can still be felt today. Today, there are many great bass players, but those three were the first, and in many respects, still the best.

Even at his worst, Jaco's command of space and time were bar-none TOPS! Jaco held down the fort because he KNEW 'Holding the space' is a weakness of Berlins. Still is to this day...

I saw Jeff Berlin the first time more or less when Jaco was killed. The second time I saw Jeff Berlin in concert he played with John McLoughlin. Hot stuff !

Jeff said it the best himself: “I’m not as musically gifted as someone like Jaco Pastorius.” There you have it! Jaco created a language. He could also compose like the best of them. Basically, call it whatever and keep on analyzing. But at the end of the day, to get some perspective: Jaco is up there with the likes of Stevie Wonder. Enough said.

@skineyemin4276

3 жыл бұрын

But, he's not up there not with Charles Mingus.

@jprod1460

3 жыл бұрын

@@skineyemin4276 of course he is. Musically speaking.

@tylerjacobson8012

2 жыл бұрын

@@skineyemin4276 he’s definitely up there with mingus.

@skineyemin4276

2 жыл бұрын

@@tylerjacobson8012 Nah. You're trippin'.

@skineyemin4276

2 жыл бұрын

@@tylerjacobson8012 You don't listen to Mingus much, do you?

Technique< substance

Unless you can play a Jeff Berlin solo, like the one from Water on the Brain from the Holdsworth Road Games album, and a Jaco solo maybe his recorded takes of Donna Lee or Chromatic Fantasy, then stop comparing the two. I met Jaco and I studied with Berlin. I transcribed and played everything they had recorded up till about 1987 and can tell you exactly who I feel is the more advanced and why, but not in this silly competitive way some of you’re engaged in. Let’s just say that from 1976-1987 these two were the most advanced players of this genre by a fairly wide margin (of known bassists). But, yes, one did have a facility that the other did not quite have. It’s just nice that this rare moment was recorded. Be thankful for that. Back then I was unsure they had ever met but Jaco told me they had. Glad they did.

@TheSteveSteele

6 жыл бұрын

C Mainten I’m not in a position to say which player is “better.” I find that very disrespectful anyways. However, if one wants to compare their techniques and learn something from what they attempted as players that’s a discussion that doesn’t insult these two great players’ legacy’s. Everything I said is true and I can answer and back up any question or comment I made but only in the context of learning. Seems like you would get that.

@kilikdudley

6 жыл бұрын

Water on the Brain +1! What a great rhythm

@ambroulard

6 жыл бұрын

You talk about facility ------ what about breadth of vision shall we say---- ?? facility is a non starter-- technically there are musicians today that likely could play circles around musicians of yesteryear,,, technically,,, but technique isn't the whole bag of wax----- I'm not up on Berlins compositions---- I am familiar with Jaco's however--- to sum up my opinion--- I perceive a lot of bass players work as similar to gymnasts whereas Jaco"s to my mind more resembled a Ballet dancer.

@timpenfield5

5 жыл бұрын

Not a bass player but i can't stand the dozens of idiotic comments iv read about JP. For some unknown bass expert to just throw out comments, yet refuse to answer my challenge to post there own playing. If I want to hear someones opinions on Jaco, i listen to Berlin himself, Not utubers who appear to be such amazing bassists, that they have all day+night to comment on utube . As far as technique? Are there many players good enough to judge? They are different, but judging whos really better? well, i say again, post your playing, and it better be damn good.

@chriskostecki8972

4 жыл бұрын

so far the only sensible comment made period...hear,hear...

Berlin on a Fender.... The Gods must be pleased.

Thank you!

At 0:40 that guy was like "Bass solo. Good time to take a leak."

Still playin the blues in F, with a freakin mask, to your good health. Chris CANADA

JEFF THE BEST!

I encourage anyone who is curious to how the entire jam unfolded to check out the link to the complete (audio)recording that Jeff Lee so generously shared. Jaco gets just as much solo space as Jeff B and sounds great considering the circumstances. In fact they switch between being the accompanist/soloist throughout. At some moments in the jam the boundary that traditionally distinguishes those roles disappears entirely, which is not surprising knowing these two. The musical result is very interesting regardless, and I'm very happy that the recording exists. These two are two of my biggest musical heroes and having them share the stage to exchange their musical philosophies has historical value indeed. I think anyone would agree that Jaco was not at his best here and find themselves wondering what the result would have been like had we heard him in this setting with the skill level he possessed in his peak years about 7-10 years prior to this, and you could perhaps question Jeff's motivations for inviting a down and out Jaco that he met by coincidence on the streets of LA. Jeff was and still is known as being among the most dedicated "practicers" in the bass world, (almost to the degree of compulsion) and it wouldn't surprise me if he had spent considerable time on shedding "Invitation" specifically... And knowing the struggles Jaco faced at this time that led him to go for long periods almost without touching his instrument there hadn't been a more ideal time up til this point for Jeff to "upstage" him if that was his goal. You could argue that there is some evidence outside of what I just mentioned to confirm this in the way that Jeff occasionally apes Jaco's phrases as if to mock him. Or maybe I'm just imagining things..Anyway, that's my take on it and like I said DO check out the clip of Jeff Lee's audio recording that he linked to in the comment section. This video is only a snippet of the jam that actually lasts for over 13 minutes in its entirety.

Afterwards.. The building emploded and then exploded❤

Jacos like get me a gig

Wowza ❤

Two monsters of bass!!

I'm a bass player in a rock band and I wish I had 1/2 of Jacos skills at his washed-out past-prime embarrassing worst. I'd still be killing it in my band.

@artysanmobile

4 жыл бұрын

DREW JEERS Drew, your compliment quickly turned into a deeply insensitive, pointedly hurtful insult. What are you trying to say? Have you somehow gone through an entire life never knowing anyone who was ill? To describe a legendary musician in his darkest period of serious illness as “washed-out past-prime embarrassing worst“ leads me to believe you’ll never be ‘killing it’ in any endeavor of any kind.

@thebro3377

4 жыл бұрын

Jaco never lost it. Even at his worst, he still played like nobody has or ever will. Plus, he was mentally ill and needed help

just DAMN!!!!

This is the only segment of this jam that is circulated, and it’s mainly Jeff soloing, his amp is louder, makes Jaco seem more in the background. Both great players, would love to see the entire jam. Is there this entire meeting posted anywhere? Would like to hear Jaco’s solo after this segment

@jeffo-3

6 жыл бұрын

Here's the audio version of this jam on "Invitation". Jeff only put a 2 minute clip on his 1987 Instructional. tape.kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZHdlqKSvota6Z6Q.html Jeff is playing through a guitar amp and Jaco is playing someone else's bass that's not his.

This is two and a half minutes from a 13 min jam, where Jaco's technical prowess and melodic mastery were on full display. Jeff clearly took his best chunk of that jam to present here, which is taken from his 1988 instructional video.

Invitation

Jaco had just tried to get it together before this video no one would hire him. He actually walk out in the middle of someones gig and just pick up a bass and played stuff. But after that he did a great tutorial video. On that video he begged for a gig. Then he played this gig which was his last one before he was murdered

@shirneko

4 жыл бұрын

Omg so this video is the last gig he had in life??😨

@qiitxxsmitj3491

4 жыл бұрын

Bianca Montingelli yes

@SunderlandMorrow

3 жыл бұрын

@@qiitxxsmitj3491 Not true at all. He played plenty of gigs after this.

Jeff is fantastic, however, what Jaco has done for the instrument, his legacy, composition and breaking ground is unmatched, its not comparable. There is basically 2 benchmarks : before Jaco and after. He was the originator of modern bass.

@michaelbyrd7883

3 жыл бұрын

I would say so, also before Stevie Ray Vaughn then after him.

Jeez, the comments are ridiculous. They were/are great bassists - can't we just leave it at that?

How dare anybody compare anyone to the charismatic, talented, revolutionary musician and showman that was Jaco Pastorius. Jeff Berlin is a genius in his own right, but he's no JACO.

@knurd75

5 жыл бұрын

Well spotted! He's a Jeff. It is good that not all are Jaco clones.

@Jon-wm3wp

5 жыл бұрын

He's not JACO, here in this clip he's far more better

@stefanomorbidelli8878

4 жыл бұрын

@@Jon-wm3wp Yeah because Jaco was full of drugs.

corn flakes pickguard that's badass

Hmmm....Jeff is actually using some parts of Donna Lee in his solo. I'm currently learning it and recognized some of the sequences.

@silverdroid

6 жыл бұрын

Originally performed by Charlie Parker. Written by Miles Davis.

@BAZZMAN800

5 жыл бұрын

@@silverdroid correct.

Jeff bro take a breath and let the legend do his thing as well. I can see Jeff asking Charlie Parker or Coltrane to keep rhythm for him while he shreds.

Jaco was borrowing the Corn Flakes JBass and the JD Player from students. Evidently, Jaco didn't have his bass or basses with him.

@71ELP

6 жыл бұрын

excuse for getting his lunch eaten?

look how many notes i can play! and never mind that jaco is also playing.

@qiitxxsmitj3491

4 жыл бұрын

jamesha175 Berlin’s sounds like Mona Dey here

I'd say Berlin is a more fluid soloist, like a sax perhaps. Jaco is more angular. Berlin sounds lighter towards a thinner guitar sound, while Jaco's sound has more breadth. Berlin is lighting it up with his solo, and Jaco is doing an amazing job grooving and giving Berlin room to play. Anyway, just some random thoughts. They both are appealing to me for different reasons.

@dildoe7898

5 жыл бұрын

Jaco is over rated and Berlin proves it

@stefanomorbidelli8878

4 жыл бұрын

@@dildoe7898seriously? In this clip Jeff is soloing and Jaco is keeping the groove, so you can't say Jaco is overrated. And he also was on drugs.

@cubby6708

4 жыл бұрын

@@stefanomorbidelli8878 Preach

competition is best practice.

wow.

Jeff has his bass, and Jaco is using like a student's bass. Am I wrong here ?

@lorenzosalamone8933

3 жыл бұрын

yes it was a student bass

This is only 2:26 minutes of a 13 minute jam over the song "Invitation". The whole jam can be heard @ kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZHdlqKSvota6Z6Q.html

que remate de jaco tan aspero

Jaco's playing his own tune in the background meanwhile, Jeff plays jazzmetal. Bass.

Jeff Berlin? Tell me about his signature lick, solo, tune... Jeff is educated and choped bassist, he is a very good teacher too... But Jaco is Jaco!

@sammey1919

5 жыл бұрын

Jeff's signature line is "don't use a metronome".

@Jon-wm3wp

5 жыл бұрын

Water on the brain... ignorant

jaco's low end is getting drown out by berlin's "guitar" sound.

@greaterustreettheatregroup396

6 жыл бұрын

tomitstube yeah. I like Berlin’s technique and learned a lot from his lesson on Bach prelude inC- but, in the words of my old teacher “if you want to play guitar, get you a guitar!”

@lorenzosalamone

5 жыл бұрын

that day Berlin was plugged on a guitar amp...that's why...

@catboyzee

5 жыл бұрын

LOL!

@qiitxxsmitj3491

4 жыл бұрын

Lol true

Where in the history of the world can we see and hear the rest of where Jaco begins to solo? For the 30 plus years I've seen this, no matter the source, it always ends there. WTH???!!!!!

Jaco was in bad shape then both physically and mentally, it's an unfortunate recording, respectfully.

Sounds like tuning time before orchestra. Just noise of two people playing on top of one another

this is why a lot of jazz music sucks (and I say that as a fan of both musicians)

Two Questions: 1. What song are they playing??? 2. What song is Jaco leading into @1:20 mark???

Nao consegui pensar em um comentario para este video...que isso

Had it been Jaco circa ‘75…well

I know someone who was there.

comparing Jeff and Jaco is like comparing Phil and Peter of Genesis, where it's been stated that Phil sounds more like Peter than Peter does, well Jeff sounds more like Jaco does.....

John Entwistle

I love Jeff but he looks terrified.

It’s unfortunate but Jeff definitely sounded more together while Jaco was just recycling his tried and true groove from Use to be a Cha Cha

I love Jaco, but I didn't ever learn much from him as he played with sparse or non-existent accompaniment.

Someone knocks on your door at your house it's Bill Bruford come play in my band what the f**k okay, as for Jaco nuff said.

Jaco in worse condition than Biden... but Berlin is a beast 💪

OOPS.! I'M A BASS PLAYER DID I TYPE THAT TOO LOUD!!!

No sabia que Jaco habia muerto en esta jam, siempre pense que fue afuera de un boliche

Don't care who is/was 'better'..I'd sit down and have beer with Jaco 10 out of 10 times..

Jeff Berlin is a phenomenal player, but unlike Stanley Clarke or Jaco he’s not known as a great composer of bass driven and inspired music. Clarke and Jaco wrote and composed music specifically for the bass that elevated and revolutionized the instrument to new heights. Even when Stanley went into more commercial directions the bass was still central melodically and harmonically. This is what tremendously separates Stanley and Jaco from Jeff Berlin. I’m familiar with Jeff’s Champion and Pump It solo albums of the mid 80’s and that’s my case and point. Clarke and Jaco played unique and good sounding music for the bass.

That's the draw back to me, is when player's have chops galore, but it's just a busy mess of notes that makes no sense, really. This fusion/progressive playing where it's punch, punch, punch. There's no pauses, breaks, structure, melody lines or whatever, no dynamics. After you've been wowed by the chops then left what are you left with, ok, nuff of that.

Whatthe fuck? Corn Flakes pick guard?

This makes me sad.

what instrument guy on left playing? it does not sound like a bass, it's a twig

I never met these magnificent masters, and I know there are some who "claim" they have but, I think if that were true then they would easily be able to discern between the "Innovator" and the "Immitator". I could tell you that I met JFK at a coffee shop before he was president....which is a lie but, you can't prove otherwise, and it makes a great story :-) .

@tung-x

3 жыл бұрын

Both were innovators. Neither is an imitator of the other. Both of their styles are quite different. The only similarities, in my book, are playing over the bridge pickup and using the bridge pickup exclusively, and incredible facility on the neck. Otherwise, their musical vocabulary is quite different.

corn flakes!

@johnkirk7934

6 жыл бұрын

with heaping slabs of sharp cheddar

Not a good combination of instruments. It might be better if one of them was willing to go into the low register and play simple backing stuff. But two busy lead bass players going at it? Nah.

I think Jeff paid Luc Havan off

Jeff pissing all over Jaco...... but I'm okay with it

@walt686868

2 жыл бұрын

What the hell are you talking about u moron.

Fom a groove perspective this doesn't work

Honestly, Jeff was overplaying a lot.

@fish3313

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. He got too long of a solo. Jaco didn’t get to play a lot.

2 great bass player is not twice as good as one. This sounds like a mess.

Amateurs

Berkley school of music vs self taught. Classic electric bass vs a bass with a bass with a corn flakes box