People rip the Jedi, but believe me if you had mofos living in your universe with these powers you’d want them to be as close to what a Jedi is supposed to be as possible.

@valzicplayz3845

7 ай бұрын

Yes, but the Jedi system is heavily flawed and aren't doing anything to try and fix said flaws. The Jedi order is literally just the USA getting worse.

@emanuelrodriguez9044

7 ай бұрын

I can agree with most points in this video but the defense of Palpatine because of Mace’s attack on him for being a Sith Lord is little silly to criticize the Jedi for.

@valzicplayz3845

7 ай бұрын

@emanuelrodriguez9044 not really. In the Star Wars universe the majority public don't know what Sith Lord's are, don't know what they've done, nor do they understand why the Sith and the Jedi are at war with each other because the Jedi destoryed anything related to Sith. The Jedi attacking Palpatine to the general public is nothing more but a coup attempt, especially when Palpatine was elected to be in the senate, is the highest political figure within the Republic, and because the Jedi doesn't have solid evidence to prove Palpatine orchestrated the Clone Wars and played both sides. To the eyes of the people, Palpatine did nothing wrong and that multiple Jedi masters went in and attacked Palpatine for no reason. If the Jedi had file a lawsuit against Palpatine, worked with the senate, and gathered evidence. Palpatine order 66 would have failed, and Anakin fall wouldn't have happened.

@eds1942

7 ай бұрын

@@emanuelrodriguez9044. But then again, Palpatine was the Chancellor of the Republic. What Mace would’ve done, had Anakin not interfered would’ve been spun politically as treason, and perhaps it was. But Mace was prepared to acpect the charge personally. Still, it would not look good.

@seanhewitt603

7 ай бұрын

​​@@eds1942 SPUN!??, are you kidding me? Windu and ALL THE JEDI were guilty of treason, and betraying the living force.😮, that's why the sith were able to CLOBBER them, But Good

Honestly, I think that a better way to phrase the issue is, "The Republic delegated too many of its own law enforcement and peace-keeping responsibilities to the Jedi." Effectively, they made the Jedi an independent, unelected branch of government that had no oversight.

@GAJake

7 ай бұрын

Yep. Instead of staying secluded in their temple and preventing the Jedi from forming families, the Jedi should have been like christianity or sikhism where Jedi learn about trusting the force but then go out into the galaxy to live their own lives. Instead of peace keepers they are more like missionaries that aren't afraid to defend themselves. Going around the galaxy using force powers to lift rubble and do search and rescue on planet that had disasters. Jedi could be peacekeepers as individuals and join militaries or police forces but this would be entirely separate from the Jedi council as an organization. You could have Jedi in all industries and on all planets and they be known as "peacekeepers" because of how they act, not because they are a paramilitary wing of the republic.

@AlsoBurgerNation

4 ай бұрын

@@GAJake I like this idea a lot, but according to the lore with very few exceptions anyone with strong force abilities that they learn to control outside of strict adherence to the Jedi ways become evil. The Jedi order by the time of the prequels may just be a necessity counter weight in the force to the tendency of force users to 'go dark side' if left to their own devices, and the Sith/Jedi forever war is what keeps balance the most. After 50,000 years of galactic civilization, this may just be the most optimized cycle the force has. Even the force wouldn't be immune to evolution in this way. It begs one of the larger questions, does the force control all fate, or does fate only happen in rare occurrences? Because we know at least some events are destiny. Anakin seeing Padme dying is a direct predestination paradox, for example. How deterministic is this universe in the lore?

Yoda realized to late that Sith have changed since the last Jedi Sith war, they walked right into the Sith trap , The Sith realized they needed to make the Jedi enemies to the Republic

In Legends Luke's New Jedi Order was pretty much a stark contrast to the old one. There he had the order function as an FBI or CIA-esque organization that was called upon the Republic. I believe it lasted way longer even after his death. Too bad we'll never get to see Luke's order come to fruition in any form in canon.

To be as lenient to the Jedi as we can, Palpatine *technically* initiated the fight, and Mace Windu could make the argument that he killed the Chancellor in self-defense. He entered his office, drew his weapon, and told Palpatine that he was under arrest, but Palpatine is the one who leaped over his desk and actually started murdering people. So when you say he should have put the Chancellor on trial, that was his plan until Palpatine started killing Jedi Masters and suddenly, it became a fight to the death.

@Smoothalcoholic

7 ай бұрын

Mace,Obiwan and Yoda would have been executed on grounds of conspiracy, treason as well as attempted assassination of the senator.

@msalinastb5093

6 ай бұрын

@@Smoothalcoholicyes ur right becuz Palpatine would have manipulated the records. As it is in one of the canon comics he edited the recordings of the incident of when the Jedi entered his office and tried to arrest him to make it look like they were the one that initiated the fight and he was the one that was trying to surrender but mace and his fellow Jedi drew their lightsabers and threatened to kill him and made it seem like they were the baddies in all this and well they had perished by sidious’ hands so they weren’t able to stand up and defend themselves. 😢

@Smoothalcoholic

6 ай бұрын

@@msalinastb5093 Sidious tried to kill Padme as well yet Anakin sides with him when he enters the office, those dead Jedi masters weren't enough to convince Anakin so guess it was a lost cause. The rest of the council members would be trialed too. If the trial would require more evidence, Sidious testimony would probably say that Anakin protected him.

@msalinastb5093

6 ай бұрын

@@Smoothalcoholic ur so totally 👍🏼 right

I wonder what would had happened if Yoda and Mace confronted Pally in front of the Senate... would they have been able to make him lose his cool if they need he was a Sith...

Yoda was NOT the wisest of the jedi , he was the oldest and therefore the most knowledgeable. Knowledgeable doesn't equate to wisdom .

So glad you did a video about this. How the Republic chose to regulate it's own infrastructure was what led to alot of its issues. Running a galaxy wide government, any mistake could affect billions of lives.

@lerneanlion

7 ай бұрын

Do you think the Republic is too big? If so, then we think alike. Personally, I think the Republic should not expand outside of the Colonies and also should let the rest of the galaxy to develop on their own.

According to da internet, it's not illegal to be a Sith. While there was an anti-Sith bill thousands of years prior during the Jedi Civil War and New Sith Wars, that bill, though in place for nearly 2,000 years, was rendered null during the thousands years of peace, when the Republic Consititution made a broad and all encompassing guarantee of religious freedom. Nobody has said if this has an exception or not for the Sith, bit given the belief the Sith were extinct, it's doubtful such a clause was ever suggested, as nobody probably thought it was needed, especially as more time went on with no new Sith emerging publicly.

@Arbidarb

7 ай бұрын

I'm guessing under the old law sith could essentially be killed on sight. Since it's not clear whether the old law still applies or not there would have to be a challenge against its enforcement. Which would only come after a sith was killed for being a sith. So Mace could have killed Sidious, then he'd just have to face a court after the fact. But before that could go to court he'd have to be expelled from the Order. But the Order would have no reasonable expectation placed on it to expel a member for carrying out the Order's stated purpose. So in practice, Jedi pretty much have a free license to kill sith until a new law is passed clarifying that the old "kill sith law" is now null.

@davidpahlman8166

7 ай бұрын

Not only that, but as the accused Sith Lord, Palpatine was being accused of being Dooku’s master, effectively accusing him of High Treason

@iliadnetfear2586

7 ай бұрын

@@davidpahlman8166 all they would have are accusations. Dooku was dead, so you couldn't get his testimony, and Dooku was never publicly declared a Sith. Even then, there is no direct link to him and Palpatine.

Well it's not difficult to see the jedi as heroes when the other side was going genocidal all the time :P

@seanhewitt603

7 ай бұрын

The jedi were genocidal maniacs!, only two sith, and the jedi hunt them to extinction, every chance they get.

@krzosu

7 ай бұрын

@@seanhewitt603 well jedi rarely eradicated entire planets - for siths that was the more "standard" choice :D Plus lets face it the sith Genocied themselves via thought bomb and tried to take jedi along with them as an ultimate act of spite so there is that :D Jedi were more interested in removing dangerous individuals rather than entire populations (mostly :D). and then there was Valkorion a sith who wanted to purge the entire galaxy from life to make him immortal via ritual xD And on top of that don't get me even started about Darth Nihilus :D because that bugger was a walking genocide :D

@philippeamon7271

7 ай бұрын

@@krzosu Who was it that invited all the other Sith over for tea, but then surprise kool-aid party, to make himself more powerful?

@occam7382

7 ай бұрын

@@philippeamon7271, that would be Darth Bane.

@samueldimmock694

6 ай бұрын

@@philippeamon7271 Vitiate

But didnt they kept peace in the universe for eons? And they've never abused that power. And they only thing they did wrong was to lose to Sidious, but that implies some other organization could have stopped it. In fact, if Windu had executed Palpatine, because he did rightfully concluded that Palpatine was above the law, he would have prevented this whole thing.

@Generic-usernam3

7 ай бұрын

They grew arrogant and complacent. They did abuse their power, kidnapping force sensitive children so they never develop attachments to their families, and by withholding force teachings to the average person, only allowing who they deem worthy to become a Jedi, only reason they trained Anakin( the CHOSEN ONE) is because it was qui gons dying wish. They became dogmatic and too republic-centered. Just because it was labeled as a “time of peace” doesn’t mean they were good. The first few decades of the empire was also a “time of peace”.

@benclark4823

7 ай бұрын

@@Generic-usernam3 they did NOT kidnap children. 🙄

@Followerofchrist221

7 ай бұрын

@@benclark4823really a order that for all intents purposes is apart of the republics acts as diplomatic party’s ambassadors and a police force totally isn’t kidnapping at all and works for the government totally isn’t kidnapping

@pharaoultra9995

7 ай бұрын

Well said. The Sith would have destroyed the Republic if the Jedi hadn't defended it and held it together. I wonder if the Jedi didn't take action against Pius Dea for so long because they respected the citizens' choice? In any case, they did not abuse their power for thousands of years and that is remarkable.

@philippeamon7271

7 ай бұрын

@@benclark4823 Usually, it was in the form of "Wow, cool lazor sword, bye mom!". But if a kid had a really high m-count, and parents didn't release them willingly...

Yoda was the voice of those who objected to Qui-Gon.

i've been binging your videos lately.

Boom!

I will never blame Mace for trying to kill Darth Sidious. Sidious isn't just some regular politician that can be placed under arrest. There's often a difference between what is legal and what is just.

Great analysis as always

Mace literally could not arrest palpatine. His corruption influence over senate, over courts, his personal control over both armies - he could not be imprisoned at all.

@occam7382

7 ай бұрын

But he made a pretty big mistake by assuming that he could just launch a coup d'etat with only a few Jedi Masters on side. At a minimum, he would've needed the majority of the Jedi Council, several influential Senators, and a sizeable portion of the GAR command behind him to even have a chance of a successful coup.

@Arbidarb

7 ай бұрын

But he did attempt to arrest him before Sidious went on the attack.

Checks and balances were needed, too much trust in the system left it rotted by just a loooooong time

Thank you!

The success of the Republic for 25 thousand years was down to the Jedi, the lesson of the prequels was that the Jedi were wrong to accept being subordinate pawns of the Republic when they should be guiding it, not that the Jedi should be policed like everybody else.

@pharaoultra9995

7 ай бұрын

Indeed. The Republic often survived precisely because the Jedi took over in the darkest hour. I would add that the Sith adapted and fought (and destroyed) the Jedi in a way they couldn't properly react to.

@charlesjenkins2090

7 ай бұрын

Right, after defeating the Sith last time, the Jedi in their humility accepted official legal subordination to the Republic in a more complete way than ever before to help restore trust since by having to lead the Republic for as long they did during the Sith Wars for the previous millennium as generals they had been compromised. The Sith realized for the first time the best way to fight the Jedi was to take over the Republic from within by political and economic means so that the Sith would be commanding the Jedi Order into a war to lead them right back to all their old problems. It was an unprecedented strategy for the Sith, who had always felt the need to prove they could build up an alternative civilization to the Republic better than the Jedi built up the Republic. This is why the Jedi were so convinced the victory of the Confederacy over the Republic was the Sith goal, because this was how the Sith pride worked. They always needed their own empire. The rule of Darth Bane tho led to more self knowledge on the part of the Sith, they recognized they were a parasitic force, they couldn't create and preserve as well as the Jedi. So instead parasitize the Jedi's achievement and turn THAT into their empire. @@pharaoultra9995

Yoda's Press Conference is a way funnier concept, than it has any right to be. I don't know the Council would consider Windu the ideal Master - they were proud of his commitment to fight the Sith, given how they hadn't been around for a long time. But while his Dark Side incorporating approach, mixing with his own creations, was fascinating, it was also a bit of a Sith-ghost in itself, slightly concerning... Does Yoda even know, how the Sith got their Dark Side magic system largely handed to them after their seperation, or think they made it all up in a number of weeks? And why wouldn't it still be illegal just to be Sith, when it's illegal to translate, to stop people from learning it?

@occam7382

7 ай бұрын

"And why wouldn't it still be illegal just to be Sith, when it's illegal to translate, to stop people from learning it?" We don't talk about that fanfic nonsense.

You are a silly bastard and I love you for it.

By the fact that the council members couldn't reach out in the force and see that Ashoka was innocent proves how far from the light they actually were.

🤔 Always knew that overgrown avocado was trouble.

The Jedi Code was their core beliefs. So, to be a Jedi is to follow The Code, their religion. It is when reality and dogma conflicted, that led to the questioning of The Code and The Order, as well as their place and role in the galaxy. The increasing arrogance of each generation, was indeed from that elite standing the Jedi held in the galaxy, but so too, the increasing righteousness also created issues. For individual Jedi to flip and take such an oppositional stance, such examples as Dooku, Jinn, and Skywalker, was a clear sign that something was wrong and needed to be worked out. Were these not adherents to the Code? What experiences did they have that changed their stance - their point of view? Suppressing communication by "being mindful" and "adhering to the Code", and suppressing negative emotion instead of confronting it and working through it were huge failures - and led to great fear among the Jedi, which ultimately corrupted them just enough to be manipulated and subsequently eliminated. The Jedi were as if on a pedestal, outside of the "adapt or die" framework, which led to their stagnation and demise.

@ascensionindustries9631

7 ай бұрын

Yes. 👍

Anyone else wonder if the Jedi have qualified immunity, or could you sue them for damages?

@Arbidarb

7 ай бұрын

Pretty sure the Republic is expected to foot the bill (since I think they are responsible for providing the finances for the Jedi), and Jedi philosophy would probably demand recompense for any harm they cause.

The Legends Jedi Heretics always seem to be a better form of Jedi then what we saw in the movies.

Did you argue recently that Yoda had too much faith in the Senate and bound the Jedi Order too closely to the structures of the Republic, or am I getting you confused with a different KZreadr? It would be ironic for someone to try to have it both ways and argue that Yoda's hesitancy reflects the Jedi's decline while also arguing that Mace Windu's solution reflects the same thing in the character of that time's Jedi generally.

Behold the insidious power off Darth Stagnate. The system that does not change will die.

Yeah, the Jedia and Republic genocide the Sith.

I wonder what if, the Jedi counsel had consisted of something like this: 4 permanent members, 4 members democratically voted by other Jedis, 2 chosen by the permanent members and 2 choosing by the elected members. Would it have been any better and who would have been chosen?

If the Republic does not exist and the galaxy is divided into something similar to China back during the 11th century with the Song dynasty, the Liao dynasty and Western Xia coexisted at the same time, how will this affect the Jedi as an organization?

This now makes me wonder: "What if Lord Havelock Vetinari was transported to the starwars galaxy just before the phantom menace and tasked to fix the Republic and Jedi. What would he do?"

@the_person_with_NoName

7 ай бұрын

I'm sorry who is lord Havelock ventinari

@BasicallyBaconSandvichIV

7 ай бұрын

​@@the_person_with_NoName Don't feel sorry! You now have a great new book series to read! Lord Havelock Vetinari is the Patrician of the twin city state of Ankh-Morpork on the circle sea of the Discworld. Describing him is tough, but if I had to: Imagine for a moment Sheev Palpatine, but he's much better at politics, especially at remaining in power. To call him "good" would be inaccurate, but his effect on the city (And the world for that matter) has been fairly positive I'd say. But I'd honestly just suggest reading the Discworld books to know more about him. Guards! Guards! is a good starting point if you're into the more urban/political/police/detective side of stories. The Discworld is more varied in story types than even pre-disney starwars (At very least on a per writer basis). I'm certain you'll find something there you'll enjoy. I would very much recommend it. I like it so much I've put a reference to the Discworld series in my profile pic. TLDR., Lord Havelock Vetinari is a very good politician.

Given the comments to this video, I think Alan needs to start making videos pointing out the positives of the Jedi Order and the Galactic Republic. With the way he connects Star Wars to the real world, he seems to inadvertently only point out the negatives of factions and people to the point that they can seem like heroes in name only to viewers because they have good intentions. Its like with how some fans view the Decepticons as the good guys and the Autobots as the bad guys after some continuities showed the Autobots initially being on the side of a system that was oppressive and corrupt to the Transformers that would become Decepticons. Never mind the fact that Orion Pax and the Autobots just before the war side against the system to reform it peacefully, the Decepticons want to replace the corrupt system with a dictatorship where only the strongest and most deceptive of Transformers can rule, and that when Cybertron runs low on energy or dies, the Decepticons want to solve the problem by draining planets of energy instead of negotiating with Organic Aliens. Heck, IDW 2005 Decepticons actually create a policy of genocide against all Organics. Honestly, guys like Alan and the writers of franchises like Star Wars and Transformers might need to work on balancing out making stories realistic and remembering who the good guys and bad guys are. I mean, take Mace Windu. Yes, he absolutely is one of the more abrasive Jedi, but you have to remember he did try to arrest Palpatine and after a fight which killed three other Jedi Masters, he recognized that Palpatine had an extreme level control of the system. And the Jedi didn’t just go after Palpatine because he was a Sith Lord, he was also the guy who manipulated the Clone Wars, the master to the former leader of the Separatist Alliance, and let’s not forget the Naboo Crisis. He literally admitted to being that Sith Lord. Honestly if you want to critique Mace’s approach, it should have been for thinking four Jedi Masters would be enough to bring in a Sith Lord. I mean, Dooku was apprentice to Palpatineand he escaped capture from powerful Jedi and overwhelming odds multiple times. It’s honestly hard to criticize executing Palpatine because of all the political power he had at the time. He may not have been Emperor, but it just seems way too risky to let the guy go on trial. He has a high chance of getting off, he can manipulate things to make the Jedi look bad, Order 66.

@Arbidarb

7 ай бұрын

I agree. Alan and a good amount of commenters start to sound like sith themselves with their critique of the Jedi Order. It's like turning out on its head so the Jedi are somehow the bad guys.

@Oera-B

6 ай бұрын

Heroes are, by definition, subjective. You can't be a hero to me if you don't embody my beliefs and ideals. The problem is that writers and their token audience are often too self-absorved and think that their ideals or beliefs must be shared by everyone else and that no one could possibly disagree with them while being entirely unjustified in doing so. They state their foundational beliefs as fact not expecting anyone to reject them. Those that do are the "bad guys."

@Oera-B

6 ай бұрын

​@@Arbidarb So what if they sound like Sith? Can't be worse than mooks sounding like Jedi.

@Arbidarb

6 ай бұрын

@@Oera-B Bro, you're unhinged. Why are you replying to everything I've said on multiple videos???

15:00 *NOT THE COOKIES!!!! 😢😢😢*

Palpatins playing both side of the war sounds like treason and rightfully arrested

“Speak softly, I might. But carry a big stick, I do!” Yoda

Alan: too much of anything, whether it's power or cookies.... Me: **slowly puts my 12th cookie back in the box instead of my mouth**

Lovely topic

I'm not sure every jedi abused their authority, plo koon being one example.

@occam7382

7 ай бұрын

Not every Jedi abused their authority. Hell, a majority of Jedi didn't abuse their authority. But the ones who did... well, those tended to be pretty important Jedi, and their abuses were well known.

@CloneScavengerVulpin8389

7 ай бұрын

@@occam7382 sad but true.

don't forget rumors of yoda's ketamine addiction

Remember, there's a prophesy about a cookie that would bring balance to The Snack.

A thing that kinda complicates this is that usually the actions and decisions of the council weren’t really theirs, and this was what they actively tried to make happen. The sith grand plan gradually resulted in the Jedis connection to the force and ability to perceive the future/feel the will of the force weakening, but without that interference the actions of the council would almost always be their attempt to follow the will of the force. Regardless of who’s on the council their objectives would almost always be the same, with the only difference being that those with a deeper connection to the force would be able to feel its will and perceive the future more clearly. Although those who are too aggressive or otherwise on the extreme end of any spectrum could cause problems without those outliers the best council = the council with the most powerful connections to the force. Additionally, if a member of the council falls to the dark side it could result in galaxy wide catastrophes and wars, so making sure that the only people you bring into the council are those you truly know well and have known your whole life could be considered smart as your not risking bringing someone in who’s secretly studying sith magic and planning to become emperor of the universe. Unfortunately, the Sith Grand Plan Was a thing, so all this stuff that, to an extent, protects the council from the dangers of isolation and nepotism slowly became less and less effective and by the time of the clone wars were nearly useless in the grand scheme of things.

I think that if we lived in there galaxy we would be all trying to know a few Jedi and have one or two in the circle because they would protect you it’s like having a few tough guys who are not nasty or intimate they would be humble yet bad ass the perfect friend

Hey Generation Tech, Love your channel. Quick question. How did first responders operate on Coruscant? Thanks

My new Jedi order: The Reformed Jedi. Code: I believe in the universal Force and trust it's plan for the universe, I pledge to learn more about the mysteries of the force and devote myself to peace, justice, humility, and love according to the will of the force. I will not use my power for selfish gain and will not let attachments control me but will use my love of others to fuel my desire for peace. 1. Jedi train those of all ages regardless of force sensitivity and not every Jedi has to go to Jedi academy. 2. Jedi have lives outside of the Jedi and can use their force abilities in whichever way they choose, however the Jedi does expect a standard of behavior. Jedi can start families, be cargo pilots, police officers, military, or full time Jedi if they choose. 3. Full time Jedi are like clergy and devote themselves to the order, and mentoring other Jedi. 4. The order itself is completely independent form the Republic; The order itself focuses on helping the people of the galaxy with mission trips and community outreach. (Force powers would be great for search and rescue)

This video reminded me of something. I do commonly hear people describe the Jedi as wise. I think the Jedi were about as wise as anyone else. Their force powers gave them extra knowledge and insight but not exactly wisdom. I don't think that wise is a term that applies to most Jedi at all. I would prefer them to have checks and balances on powerful beings that are not perfect, like the Jedi. Or any non-perfect being for that matter.

@seanhewitt603

7 ай бұрын

The sith were the balance against the jedi, and they needed only two!, now that's POWER...

@lyleseward8638

7 ай бұрын

@@seanhewitt603 Tru dat, they needed checks and balances too

I think the idea was that the jedi were intune with the light side of The Force and through that they were always working for the betterment of all. If they did ever become corrupted they would fall to The Dark Side and then the other jedi would take that one out. It's a simplified view but seems like one the galaxy at large would accept and enable them to trust the jedi.

@seanhewitt603

7 ай бұрын

The sith were the balance in the force to the jedi, that's why they only needed two...

@seanhewitt603

7 ай бұрын

They're baby stealing gypsies...

@Arbidarb

7 ай бұрын

Exactly. They can't be talked about like they're normal people. They embody the Force.

Checks and balances

Having too much power is certainly harmful, but only a Sith would say that having too much cookies would be a detriment. Simply suggesting that too many cookies could exist is pure heresy. I sense the dark side in you, Allan.

Well now that we know ANYBODY can have the force and use it, im waiting on Tales of the Jedi episode where Hando zeets some stolen jank 50feet into the back of his ship... 2mins after having a hard time pullin a watch off a grandma

Fun fact…in the past the Jedi order has had multiple grandmasters at once-going off, of what is said in this video…I think that if the Jedi kept to the practice of having multiple grandmasters at any given time they would have been less corrupt than they are depicted in the clone wars area.

Sith, Jedi, Republic, Empire....from the average persons pov, they are all just interfering, annoying and potentially lethal inconveniences that suck resources and energy from the galaxy.

There’s just nothing the boys can’t solve

Despite the many flaws and Imperfections the jedi Order my have I would rather they rule than an evil organization like vought atleast the Jedi care about the well-being of their citizens and will fight tooth and nail to protect them.

I've been laughing for an hour at that thumbnail.

Day 310 PLEASE DO MORE TACTICS VIDEOS AND STRUCTURES LIKE THE CIS NAVY STRUCTURE AND RANKS

One thing soo many seems to be ignoring that unlike in any real life examples that many point toward when talking about Star Wars is that unlike any RL religious group or something similar, force is not just metaphysical thing but actual dangable thing in the reality so Jedi are't like an Catholic church were priest only do sermons every Sunday or something but can do stuff other people can't do no matter how much they train. Which is why using RL examples should not be used that often because in RL we don't have anything that would really come close to Jedi order in anything by superficial way.

in Mace Windu's defense, he did try to arrest Palpatine

The Jedi Order under Yoda's leadership maintained Galactic Peace for 600 years. The Empire existed for 23 years and The First/Last Order lasted for 10 years both defeated by students of Yoda's Lineage. The Jedi aren't perfect, that's what makes them interesting.

As with all things, time erodes

Reminds me of the Chappelle skit.

The jedi are important, they are essentially demi gods within the star wars universe, the force is an equivalent to a divine like entity, this goes beyond mortal notions of goverment systems, opinions, regulation, this is the will of the force, to create balance within the galaxy. Who's some elected senator to tell a jedi what they can or can not do? In my opinion its beyond their offices' capability and authority. It reminds me of a pannel in a marvel comic where Tony is questioning Odin a literal god, he asks Odin why did the gods let this happen, meaning the people of earth where encased in i think was rock and he then attacks odin with his asgardian made armor, odin blocks the attack like its nothing and then humbles Tony, he says that what is happening on earth is nothing and tiny compared to the whole cosmos, Odin shows Tony a glimpse of the universe, what odin sees and tony is speechless, Odin then cures everyone and turn the back to normal. The whole point is that we mortal dont actually understand what is actually happening in the universe, things like government systems and mortal structures. They mean absolutely nothing when compared to the balance of the cosmos. The jedi are a part of that system. Their authority comes from a higher power, a higher understanding, when a sith like palpatine is found out the jedi have every right to remove him from office, even though he was democratically elected, their power comes from the force itself, I suppose a mandate from heaven, that supercedes all nown mortal authority.

There’s never too many cookies

Maybe this actually could be the basis of some good Edward's type storytelling perspective

I never even thought about how Disney trying to connect every single character in some way inadvertently makes everything look like nepotism

@seanhewitt603

7 ай бұрын

Inbreeding is nepotism, ya?

@occam7382

7 ай бұрын

The Prequels (and The Clone Wars) weren't Disney's doing, though. That was George.

@saveritas731

7 ай бұрын

None of this is Disney content. This is all before Disney bought Star Wars from Lucas.

Too optimistic.

Come on Alan. Windu didnt just flip flop on his loyalty to the republic. When you find out the top spot is being held by a murderous psychopath from long line of murderous psychopaths.... They gots to go.

@charlesjenkins2090

7 ай бұрын

Yeah the level of bias Alan has about the Jedi is ludicrous, there is no way he would apply this stance to the various irl monsters at the top.

@occam7382

7 ай бұрын

Mace Windu was planning on launching a coup against Palpatine well before he found out Palpatine was a Sith Lord. In fact, his coup plan was already in motion when he got the news. Mace believed in the sanctity of the Republic above all else, but he thought that the Jedi were above the laws of the Republic and could do whatever they felt was necessary to defend it.

@charlesjenkins2090

7 ай бұрын

There very much wasn't a coup "plan". The Jedi were very slow to accept that things had gotten to the point they had, they were only at the last hour even brainstorming what they *might* have to do and they had no real plan for it. Mace Windu very much did not feel above the laws of the Republic this was his problem, this was why he was unprepared.@@occam7382

Oh God, the Jedi Council is The Kliq from 90s wrestling.

Next episode Jedi time limits on the counsel. wonder if a more old timey counsel would have worked better just a gathering of the wisest Jedi of the time gather and solve a problem more like in lord of the rings as apposed to an elected group running the show.

So Allen..regarding, power, cookies and how that might be “too much” leading to being a bad thing??? Does this apply to the power of the Dark Side Cookies??? Inquiring minds want to know.😘

But the Jedi should have trained their padawans in secret on planets Across the Universe, they took the dark side for granted!

So the jedi needed term limits you say

People are way to tough on the Jedi. Deep down the were still the food guys what organization doesn't have problems

"Give beneficial jobs to my own family, I did. Based this on their merit I did not."

Jedi Council, the US Supreme Court of the Galaxy

Palpatine wasn't Satan but he WAS close far as evil Force Users went

Responds Yoda: No sh!t, new you are?

So your saying you’d totally not oppose H man from Germany . Because Palpatine totally acted like that dude .

The doctrine of the Jedi is doomed to fail whenever they get involved in politics

AI generated yoda is freaky

I'm curious to see if Georges Lucas thought about these complicated and sketchy on the Jedi council or it's more in the books... But when I think about it it's totally there ❤

@Planag7

7 ай бұрын

He's quite literally said that an interview is that it's complicated even with the original Rebels

@occam7382

7 ай бұрын

@@Planag7, I mean, when you say that your good guys are based off of the Vietcong, it's almost inevitable that some complications are going to come into play.

Yoda's longevity is exactly one of the negative points It's the same with elves in fantasy, they live for centuries and they become stagnant because there's always that group of 600 year elders who don't want change

@krishkrish8213

4 ай бұрын

Change doesn't mean good change.

You also have to wonder about the types of people who want to become Jedi. p.s. There's no such thing as too many cookies.

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You are looking at this from your own democratic centric point of view. Try looking at them as the internal affairs branch of their evolved governing system. It's hard if not impossible to look at another culture with out using our own points of view from our own life experiences.

I want more cookies!

Honestly its amazing how much Disney keeps trying to fan the “everyone is $hit” flames and all villains are just “misunderstood”, no one is really a “good guy”. Its tiresome. The original trilogy is the story of the redemption of vader, the character arc of luke, and the struggles of Leia and the rebel alliance. No one is perfect, but there are definitive good and bad guys.

@Planag7

7 ай бұрын

And that's your very pathetic and limited view of black and white thinking but don't worry lil fasci... It's ok to be racist when you aren't at church! (It isn't. But I suspect you'll try and blame Disney for that!)

@emanuelrodriguez9044

7 ай бұрын

You do realize most of the concepts he talked about were introduced originally in Legends and Prequel content?

@mikewaterfield3599

7 ай бұрын

@@emanuelrodriguez9044 its called the EU, not “legends”. Furthermore, the flaws of the Jedi were partially highlighted in the prequels as the order was in no way perfect. That said Disney has taken the ball, and moved that goal post from the core to the outer reaches of the outer rim, and spiked the ball in that end zone. Conceptually it is similar, but degrees of severity matter. Kinda like how smacking someones A$$ is sexual assault and in many states (cali for one) forced violent rape is still “sexual assault”. I think we can all agree the degree of severity there matters.

@emanuelrodriguez9044

7 ай бұрын

@@mikewaterfield3599 Plenty of people call it Legends and you know it. Get off your high horse pal.

@mikewaterfield3599

7 ай бұрын

@@emanuelrodriguez9044 not a high horse, just someone who took creative writing as an alternate English credit and has a rudimentary understanding of story structure. The only ones calling it legends are the people who snorted Disney’s pixie dust and joined Darth Kennedy’s cult. Open your eyes, it’s the sorry excuse for writing these days.

Yee wow

Long live the EMPIRE! One love Darth!😂

sith need to understand there is only one path to power and this is it. you don't want to accuse your competition of taking that path to power in a way that demonizes said competition, particularly when your entire religion revolves around power.

Mace Windu has to kill Palpatine.. he was a Sith, they're too dangerous. they cannot live, that was a different situation

@eds1942

7 ай бұрын

No he didn’t. His decision to do so was not only not the Jedi way, but unjust and perhaps treasonous being that Palpatine was the Chancellor of the Republic. He doomed Anakin, the Jedi and the Republic because of it.

@bobbyschannel349

7 ай бұрын

@@eds1942 No. Jedi have to destroy the Sith they are too dangerous to stay alive didn't you hear him say that.

@eds1942

7 ай бұрын

@@bobbyschannel349 Yeah. Mace was wrong. This was THE reason why Anakin intervened and then turned against the Jedi, and why Anakin saw them as evil. In an earlier scene, Palpatine had told Anakin that the Jedi had been prolonging the war, hoping to weed away support from Palpatine so that they could removing him from office and seize power for themselves. Palpatine mentions this to some extent in other scenes. I’m going to paraphrase some key moments from chapters 27 & 28 of the Blu-ray. When Mace beat Palpatine, even with Anakin there, Mace: “You are under arrest, (Palpatine)” Anakin didn’t object to that. After Palpatine made a show with his Force Lightning, faigning to be too weakened to resist anymore, Mace changes his tune saying, Mace: “I’m going to end this (Palpatine).” Anakin: “He must stand trail” (Edit: Mace: “he controls the courts and Senate. He’s too dangerous to be left alive.” End Edit) Anakin: “It’s not the Jedi way”. …. After it’s done; Palpatine and Anakin discuss the Jedi plot and betrayal and how to stop them. Palpatine: “They will turn on the Senate next.” Anakin: “I concur.” Palpatine: “We must stop them before that happens. You should start with the Jedi Temple… They all must be destroyed or if there is even one that survives, it would be civil war without end.” Jedi don’t kill unless there is no other choice, that being to save others or themselves. (Edit: While the Jedi of the Old Republic era had once led campaigns to purge the Sith, it was only their philosophy and culture and artifacts and temples and such, but the let a few Sith escape back to the Unknown Regions as genocide was not the Jedi Way. They are after all, the counselors and champions of Justice that protect life. End Edit) If Mace had not decided to kill Palpatine without a trial, Anakin would problem never have turned to the Darkside and the Jedi and the Republic likely would’ve survived. So Yeah, Mace was wrong.

@bobbyschannel349

7 ай бұрын

@@eds1942 but Mace Windu also said that he's too dangerous to live, Jedis don't crave power, that's number one, number two, Anakin was already far gone he was already weak and vulnerable he was already angry at the Jedi order. Technically, he had already succumbed to the dark side. Getting attached, he already killed the Tuscan raiders, which led to the dark side, he was attached to his mother he was attached to Padme, he wasn't supposed to fall in love, he wasn't supposed to get a wife. Those are the reasons why Jedis live a very asteer life. Because attachments can lead to the dark side, so he was already gone, the situation with Mace Windu and palpatine, just pushed him over the edge.

@eds1942

7 ай бұрын

@@bobbyschannel349 I updated my previous post before I noticed your next one, so I’ll just respond to your new one. The Council likely knew about the relation between Anakin and Padme. They had practice hooked them up. That and it’s extremely unlikely that on a planet that’s the center of galactic power and one of the galaxy’s most populated, with cameras all over the place, even around the Senate and Padme’s apartments, the no one knew of their relationship. Let alone with Anakin wearing his emotions on his sleeves. And Obi-Wan seemed to know that their spent a lot of time together. And Yoda practically brushed it off with a short rebuke, followed by some advise, after Anakin admitted as much. And then in the Clone Wars show, we learn that Obi-Wan had his own love interest, for whom he would left the Order for if she had asked. And then ki-Adi Mundi had 5 wives. What the Jedi mean by attachments is possessiveness, jealousy, when someone or something means so much to you that you would be willing to do anything to keep from loosing them or it. With the Jedi, thanks to their powers and influence, anything is far easier to achieve. Though the Jedi of Prequel era held to their principles a little too rigidly. However, if Anakin’s story in the the prequels through to the original trilogy shows us anything, it’s that relationships aren’t the problem. Relationships saved Anakin. The Jedi stance on it, at least as I Anakin understood it, was what opened the path to the Darkside for Anakin, since he would not ask the Jedi for help to save his mother, and he jealously hide his marriage to Padme a secret from them.

We r not the Jedi your looking for 😂

I'm not a big fan of Rey, but I hope her New Jedi Order would remain politically neutral.

❤🖤🤍💚

Came the Russians, stayed for the Jedi.

What amused me the most about the council was the clanish design. Mace put Depa on the council, Kenobi being of the Yoda lineage is another clan. Count Dooku was right about Yoda losing signt because he was the Grandmaster for so long, it's like Biden who has been in politics for over 50 years. POTUS lacks political will, failing us in both foreign & domestic policy without having the self awareness to realize he's failing. To me the ideal Jedi isn't Mace Windu, it's Plo Koon. But, even he made a huge mistake in the case of Ahsoka's trial despite saying he did not beleve she was capable of such crime, his final decision was to dismiss her.

Your arguments kind of fall to pieces given the fact that the organization lasted insanely longer than any organization can be expected to last, and it took an immensely powerful master manipulator sith lord to bring it down. Also, all the above-the-law, moral authority, and power corrupting problems can't be likened to normal people because the Jedi aren't normal people with superpowers. They're servants of the guiding force of all life. There isn't anyone to possibly put a check on them politically, ethically, or philosophically except the sith. But we already saw what happens when you bring the sith into the system. The Jedi failed. But they're failure was in their battle against the enemy. The sith are the ones responsible for the downfall of the Order and the Republic, not the Jedi. That seems to have been forgotten here. The Order didn't fall apart on its own. It just failed to be invincible. 10/10 organization in my book.

@Oera-B

6 ай бұрын

Yes, change happens. Is that so bad? What's so sacred about the Republic or this particular Jedi Order?

@Arbidarb

6 ай бұрын

@@Oera-B I didn't say anything about how it can't change. I defended what it was because it was incredibly successful, and he was making it out to be deeply flawed.

The Jedi steal babies.....

@seanhewitt603

7 ай бұрын

They're canadian?😮

@benclark4823

7 ай бұрын

Prove it. 🙄

The Jedi Order's "problem" was that they forgot the supreme truth: Separation of Church and State. They had no business being involved with the Republic to begin with.

@benclark4823

7 ай бұрын

So Luke shouldn’t have stopped the empire because he is a Jedi according to YOUR logic? 😒

@charlesjenkins2090

7 ай бұрын

They were involved in the politics of the Republic from its inception and were its heart and soul - for 25 thousand years.

@occam7382

7 ай бұрын

@@benclark4823, no. Luke was an officer in the Alliance to Restore the Republic, he absolutely had a responsibility to help destroy the Empire. However, after he gave up his comission and became a full-blown Jedi, Luke shouldn't have been able to intervene in the politics of the New Republic.

@anthonyhargis6855

7 ай бұрын

@@charlesjenkins2090 Soooo, you don't know what "to beginwith" means? It means FROM THE FUCKING BEGINNING.

@benclark4823

7 ай бұрын

@@occam7382 sounds like the Luk- sorry I meant JAKE Skywalker of the Disney sequel trilogy which did NOTHING to stop the rise of the first order and the fall of the New Republic don’t tell me THAT is what YOU consider what a Jedi should do? 🤦‍♂️