Japan Doesn't Like Tien [DBG #1]

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Boy am I not making one like this again. But I DO like complaining. Hm.

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  • @godshollownutsack9272
    @godshollownutsack92724 жыл бұрын

    The reason team four star keeps getting copyright strikes is because they treat tien right. Change my mind

  • @codafett

    @codafett

    4 жыл бұрын

    There's also all the copyright infringement.

  • @papaofthejohns5882

    @papaofthejohns5882

    4 жыл бұрын

    codafett Which don’t apply as DBZA is a parody. It doesn’t take full DBZ episodes, in fact it splices like 5 eps in one, missing large chunks. And even then, the characters, their motivations, their relationships, & the story itself are completely different as it is a comedic parody of DBZ.

  • @maxthebrave228

    @maxthebrave228

    4 жыл бұрын

    Damn you right

  • @Soni38900

    @Soni38900

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@codafett Do some research, it falls under fair use.

  • @excellingdeicide2967

    @excellingdeicide2967

    4 жыл бұрын

    EXACTLY✅💯

  • @AndrewP0
    @AndrewP04 жыл бұрын

    Tien who has been training nonstop since the original Dragon Ball gets absolutely nothing, no new moves, no power ups, no good fights, and no respect. All because he isn't a Saiyan, Android, or Gokus best friend.

  • @bishopofeternity48

    @bishopofeternity48

    4 жыл бұрын

    He actively loses moves, actually.

  • @Findme1reason

    @Findme1reason

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@charger9912 shit he could at least learn the kaioken

  • @PhantoRoyce

    @PhantoRoyce

    3 жыл бұрын

    He’s canon the best martial artist

  • @carloreneeventura8714

    @carloreneeventura8714

    3 жыл бұрын

    And he's a china character,,

  • @Zwei-II

    @Zwei-II

    3 жыл бұрын

    By the fucking way i have to add, Fucking Krillin buffed Taiyo Ken, a Tien technique, first than Tien himself. Honestly Tien can make something stupid like omnidirectional Kikoho

  • @Batman-em2he
    @Batman-em2he Жыл бұрын

    He’s literally the only character in the whole show that doesn’t get any stronger even tho he doesn’t stop training 🙄🙄

  • @megamaggotman7025

    @megamaggotman7025

    Жыл бұрын

    He was so cool in the og series bruh

  • @InfernosReaper

    @InfernosReaper

    Жыл бұрын

    Yeah, and it's not like he's some mediocre fighter like Yamcha. The dude was a prodigy and invented moves would go on to steal

  • @jakefromstatefarm8964

    @jakefromstatefarm8964

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@InfernosReaper Hey, put some respect on Yamcha's name. He was the first guy to combine ki into his body for an attack and was a prodigal fighter that learned Roshi's techniques real quick. Yeah, after he got Yamcha'd he got shafted by the series forever, but he used to be him for like 10 episodes.

  • @HobDog

    @HobDog

    10 ай бұрын

    @@InfernosReaper wtf Yamcha is cool

  • @InfernosReaper

    @InfernosReaper

    10 ай бұрын

    @@HobDogAs a person, sure, but as a fighter, he was the *first* one thrown under the bus and left to rot. Ever since his leg was broken by Tien, it was all downhill from there.

  • @kendrajade6688
    @kendrajade6688 Жыл бұрын

    You either die a villain, or live long enough to see yourself become a forgettable ally.

  • @TTVMaldrix

    @TTVMaldrix

    9 ай бұрын

    crazy how accurate that is. krillin, yamcha, tien, androids, and buu have met this fate

  • @thegreatyami

    @thegreatyami

    8 ай бұрын

    @@TTVMaldrix krillin was never a villain, he was a rival, and the androids are not forgettable in the slightest, especially 17

  • @TTVMaldrix

    @TTVMaldrix

    7 ай бұрын

    @@thegreatyami mb counted krillin as one since rival is under the antagonist type stuff android 17 i guess did save the W in the tourney, but they tossed aside 18 like they do with most chicks in the show

  • @melonnationxp

    @melonnationxp

    6 ай бұрын

    @@thegreatyami saying Krillin was Goku’s rival is like saying Killua is Gon’s rival

  • @TTVMaldrix

    @TTVMaldrix

    4 ай бұрын

    @@melonnationxp there is such thing as a friendly rivalry

  • @kingninja8957
    @kingninja89573 жыл бұрын

    Tien: The only person that can lose muscle, skill, power level and attacks from training

  • @springtrap3506

    @springtrap3506

    3 жыл бұрын

    You made my day

  • @logandunlap9156

    @logandunlap9156

    3 жыл бұрын

    fitness plateaus be hitting different for tien

  • @Danphiroud

    @Danphiroud

    2 жыл бұрын

    So Gohan is the saiyan version of Tien

  • @indexwell6546

    @indexwell6546

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yeah tien in dragonball z is ripped

  • @jairocolombo4410

    @jairocolombo4410

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Danphiroud Gohan is training inside videl

  • @dtczyk8976
    @dtczyk89764 жыл бұрын

    "I don't know why japan hates tien." "Tien is China the character." You puzzled it out mate.

  • @parappathegamer2118

    @parappathegamer2118

    4 жыл бұрын

    d tczyk but DragonBall has a lot of roots in Chinese mythology so that can’t really be it

  • @zegakai

    @zegakai

    4 жыл бұрын

    Krillin is a shaolin monk.

  • @Abdega

    @Abdega

    4 жыл бұрын

    So’s Goku’s wife and… Now that I think about it, considering how she’s portrayed many times you may be onto something…

  • @iliveinsideyourhouse3943

    @iliveinsideyourhouse3943

    4 жыл бұрын

    Goku is literally based on china mythology......

  • @cuteintrovert6728

    @cuteintrovert6728

    4 жыл бұрын

    What yall on the main character goku is literally a Chinese mythological creature so stop your shitty assumptions

  • @matthewbreytenbach4483
    @matthewbreytenbach4483 Жыл бұрын

    Roshi's characterization in the Tien episode bothers me. Roshi is a master who has dedicated three hundred years to the martial arts, so being invited to Tien's dojo as an honorary master _should_ matter to him. And on top of that, the closer you look at the history and connections between them and their stories, the more heartbreaking it becomes when Roshi acts like a tired hanger on at a party.

  • @whoistobby296

    @whoistobby296

    10 ай бұрын

    Fr It was Roshi who made Tien rethink about his evil deeds

  • @matthewbreytenbach4483

    @matthewbreytenbach4483

    10 ай бұрын

    @@whoistobby296 Exactly!

  • @jezzaboi2168

    @jezzaboi2168

    10 ай бұрын

    It's a shame how much wasted potential there was with tien and the dojo. He's been reduced to the guy that kikohos before losing

  • @karlanthonymargate7362

    @karlanthonymargate7362

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@jezzaboi2168im sad that he doesn't even use dodon pa

  • @joe-joevalentine1313

    @joe-joevalentine1313

    5 ай бұрын

    Roshi is awesome and Plague knows that. Given the context of everything by putting Roshi on a pedestal we should be equally if not more so be aggravated Tien is being downplayed and completely dismissed. It isnt to discredit Roshi it is to highlight that fact. Yes Roshis contribution to martial arts is huge and we all love that, but the poorly written story is only doing dumb shit like Roshi being a bored perv not teaching martial arts. Power scale wise Roshi has not been useful since pre-Goku loses to Tien. We can talk about Yajirobes merits as well he literally ate Piccollos brother. But Yajirobe is still comparatively a harmless fly compared to Tien, tien is Ginyu level fighting capacity minimum (so is yamcha by the way >,>). Anyways yea if were bitch slapping Tien into nothingness, then to fluff Krillin and Roshi is painfully and obviously nonsensical...

  • @SpeedHomeAttack
    @SpeedHomeAttack Жыл бұрын

    Tien is just like Rock Lee from Naruto. Introduced early in the original series to be a rival to main cast, to then over time be phased out and forgotten about. Becoming a side character that does nothing.

  • @Alexander-the-Mediocre

    @Alexander-the-Mediocre

    Жыл бұрын

    That's every side character in DB. Kirllian was his rival, then tien was his rival, then yajirobi was goku equal (stronger then tien but never a rival cause piccolo was the rival right after), then piccolo is his rival. Then finally they stopped when Vegita showed up.

  • @jcnot9712

    @jcnot9712

    Жыл бұрын

    That’s funny ‘cause Rock Lee is based on Bruce Lee who’s Chinese. Just adds to plague’s point 😂

  • @InfernosReaper

    @InfernosReaper

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Alexander-the-Mediocre Yajirobe was *stronger* than Goku when introduced. Then Goku quickly surpassed him

  • @Alexander-the-Mediocre

    @Alexander-the-Mediocre

    Жыл бұрын

    @@InfernosReaperno they are equal in their fight neither is ahead before they are interrupted. But my point is that every new person is stronger then the last and tien being left behind isnt special or racist just bad writting.

  • @InfernosReaper

    @InfernosReaper

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Alexander-the-Mediocre Yajirobe easily beat an opponent Goku struggled with. *That* was his introduction...

  • @benjaminrosiek5007
    @benjaminrosiek50076 жыл бұрын

    Is it wrong of me that DBZ: abridged is slowly replacing my head canon simply because they treat the characters better.

  • @diegodavid1955

    @diegodavid1955

    6 жыл бұрын

    Benjamin Rosiek no, it's not...

  • @nohat1375

    @nohat1375

    6 жыл бұрын

    Benjamin Rosiek i know what u mean

  • @userasdf

    @userasdf

    6 жыл бұрын

    DBZ: abridged is far superior in my mind. I never had an emotional investment in any of the characters in the original. It was fun to watch but it was largely just fights. I legit teared up when chiaotzu and Tien died and Kami merged with Piccolo.

  • @chuk5678

    @chuk5678

    6 жыл бұрын

    Benjamin Rosiek Yeah I see your point, matter fact abridged Tien and Vegeta relationship is my favorite relationship in all of anime.

  • @userasdf

    @userasdf

    6 жыл бұрын

    chuk5678 "you know he can kill you right?" "At this point, it's a game. If he gives in, I win. And he knows that"

  • @duckboy6052
    @duckboy60523 жыл бұрын

    Tien is like that one guy in DnD who spends all his freetime training, but is completely outclassed by the DMs girlfriend

  • @sammydray5919

    @sammydray5919

    3 жыл бұрын

    Tien is a F2P player in a P2W world

  • @DrifterMW

    @DrifterMW

    3 жыл бұрын

    Only the best will understand that

  • @wholesome_masochist4113

    @wholesome_masochist4113

    3 жыл бұрын

    Straight facts

  • @jgcapers3860

    @jgcapers3860

    3 жыл бұрын

    I think that his character is a really good example of 'sometimes just training alone doesn't do the job' which is very true. He doesn't train with anybody, ever, and has so much hubris that he opens a dojo. Meanwhile, Krillin trained with Roshi and Goku while working out on the side. Piccolo trained with Gohan when he wasn't training on his own. Vegeta and Goku have Beerus, etc. I think the only other really good example of a character getting too much fan service in this case is Roshi however, it was so well written that people don't want to bring up that unpopular of an opinion.

  • @wholesome_masochist4113

    @wholesome_masochist4113

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@jgcapers3860 so chaiotzu doesn't exist? And since you mentioned krillin, did you notice how Super is the first time in 9 years krillin has trained and he shoots through the roof? Meanwhile Tien does nothing but train all day everyday and gets nothing? Japan just doesn't like Tien since he's china the character.

  • @ArcticSounds
    @ArcticSounds2 жыл бұрын

    I watched DB in chronological order, so when Tien and Chiaotzu were introduced in Dragon Ball I thought they were so cool. They were the biggest threat Goku had faced at that point, and were actually intimidating. And now Tien is trashed and Chiaotzu is basically forgotten. The same goes for Yamcha. His Wolf Fang Fist was always so cool

  • @ArcticSounds

    @ArcticSounds

    Жыл бұрын

    @@torinlupo807 I never mentioned China

  • @torinlupo807

    @torinlupo807

    Жыл бұрын

    @@ArcticSounds fuck wrong comment

  • @AK-vj9uu

    @AK-vj9uu

    Жыл бұрын

    @@torinlupo807 why did you bring up China, he didn't even type anything related to it ?

  • @ashes2diamond

    @ashes2diamond

    Жыл бұрын

    @@torinlupo807 Did your momma drop you repeatedly on the head as a baby or something?

  • @waporvave5121

    @waporvave5121

    Жыл бұрын

    @@AK-vj9uu Tien Shinhan is very clearly supposed to be chinese? His last name is based off a chinese rice dish

  • @Hydrogue
    @Hydrogue Жыл бұрын

    I remember thinking, having seen the set-up with Harmira (the "green duck" in a speedo) being an unseen sniper, that the writers of Super were going to draw on Tenshinhan's past as an assassin and have him counter-snipe using his dodonpa. Then counteract using Prum to reflect/rebound shots by escalating things with the multi-form technique and essentially becoming his own team of snipers. I was ready for a different kind of thinking to combat this mystery sharpshooter idea. You cannot imagine my disappointment when all four Tiens just... ran out into open terrain. And the episode wasn't even about him.

  • @jcnot9712

    @jcnot9712

    Жыл бұрын

    Man, you must’ve thought Madhouse or Bone studio were the ones animating the fight. Even at top shape with the highest budget they’ve ever had, Toei has never done anything this multifaceted and complex 😂

  • @vibemasterkorosu2469

    @vibemasterkorosu2469

    10 ай бұрын

    @@jcnot9712 Oh nah, they are able to throw a lot of money in some specific scenes, these mfs are billionaires, and DB and One Piece are their highest source of income.

  • @kalo_vera

    @kalo_vera

    10 ай бұрын

    I mean you're asking Dragon Ball to do something actually new and interesting instead of just rehashing old ideas and characters

  • @wadespencer3623

    @wadespencer3623

    7 ай бұрын

    You want... thinking? In DBZ? That isn't allowed. We accept screaming and power ups here. Not thinking.

  • @misantrope6267

    @misantrope6267

    6 ай бұрын

    ​@@wadespencer3623DBS

  • @k2tme451
    @k2tme4514 жыл бұрын

    Is anybody else bothered by the fact that gohan taught Hercule's daughter ki control enough that she learned to fly, but Tien, a man who has lived longer, fought longer, and was arguably the best z fighter behind goku, could not train the nameless students 😐

  • @gauntlet8026

    @gauntlet8026

    4 жыл бұрын

    The writers were smoking crack when they wrote the script.

  • @k2tme451

    @k2tme451

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@gauntlet8026 Makes sense, although it still hurts to watch my favorite z-fighter get done dirty.

  • @Blittsplitt5

    @Blittsplitt5

    4 жыл бұрын

    Super has terrible writing. That's the problem behind everything.

  • @silverdaniel724

    @silverdaniel724

    4 жыл бұрын

    They said Videl was a prodigy and probably stronger than Hercule, but, no one cares, no one gives a fuck about Videl after Gohan turned her into a fucken calm Chi-Chi. Tien is probably 2x older than Gohan, has more experience, developed a technique stronger than the Kamehame-ha (said by Master Roshi himself in the Classic Dragon Ball), was the second character to fly in the series (Chiaotzu being the first) and was a trained mercenary. But Toriyama doesn't give a fuck about that and just make him utterly useless and a "extreme and bad" teacher because he couldn't teach HIS OWN STUDENTS how to control their ki.

  • @futureanimator522

    @futureanimator522

    3 жыл бұрын

    They could be hopeless

  • @tankutsur9749
    @tankutsur97494 жыл бұрын

    He’s the only serious character in the show, that’s the joke.

  • @Phoenix-jd4yf

    @Phoenix-jd4yf

    4 жыл бұрын

    piccolo?

  • @davidhong1934

    @davidhong1934

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Phoenix-jd4yf (Piccolo dressed in Yoshi)

  • @JoNarDLoLz

    @JoNarDLoLz

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@Phoenix-jd4yf Piccolo is the pseudo serious character turned to babysitter as a joke

  • @shaunytheboi3834

    @shaunytheboi3834

    3 жыл бұрын

    Trunks?

  • @felipetabareguicheneyvicen68

    @felipetabareguicheneyvicen68

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@shaunytheboi3834 his timeline was so fucked up that he had to left to a new one and live with his doppelganger, isn't that funny? Xd

  • @optimisticwatermelon
    @optimisticwatermelon2 жыл бұрын

    I want Tien to just yell "SCREW IT" and then just manage to bull his way to godhood levels of power..

  • @wardenunknown

    @wardenunknown

    Жыл бұрын

    Well with orange piccolo being a thing, maybe another video game company is gonna grant a super form for humans

  • @optimisticwatermelon

    @optimisticwatermelon

    Жыл бұрын

    @@wardenunknown super human blue

  • @wardenunknown

    @wardenunknown

    Жыл бұрын

    @@optimisticwatermelon super human black

  • @optimisticwatermelon

    @optimisticwatermelon

    Жыл бұрын

    @@wardenunknown =O

  • @rikowolfin4984

    @rikowolfin4984

    Жыл бұрын

    @@wardenunknown God Orange Piccolo is the stupidest fucking thing, makes me wonder if the reason they named it that was to try and get people to not think fucking BEAST GOHAN wasn't a stupid idea for a powered up form of Ultimate, which also makes no fucking sense considering that Ultimate is supposed to be all of your power with no draw backs of needing to transform and waste your stamina/energy to do it so turning it into a transformation makes the entire point of it useless, let alone naming it fucking BEAST of all things. Honestly I could be into Orange Piccolo if they just called it Dragon Piccolo or something since that makes way more sense considering where he got the form from.

  • @RobertsonIsland
    @RobertsonIsland Жыл бұрын

    I think America doesn’t give a shit about Tien because most Americans who watch Dragon Ball haven’t seen the original series, they started on Z

  • @antoniojarego7717
    @antoniojarego77173 жыл бұрын

    "The Tournament of Power won't be just based on brute force" Ironic.

  • @papyrusgaming4820

    @papyrusgaming4820

    3 жыл бұрын

    Haha Jiren go brr

  • @MinscFromBaldursGate92

    @MinscFromBaldursGate92

    3 жыл бұрын

    Toriyama: Power levels are not the be all end all factor in a fight. Also Toriyama: Jiren is STRONG and Goku needs STRONGER.

  • @papyrusgaming4820

    @papyrusgaming4820

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@MinscFromBaldursGate92 Also Toriyama: Toppo Strong? Vegeta STRONGER 😈

  • @whatupsuckers357

    @whatupsuckers357

    3 жыл бұрын

    You do realise Vegeta suicide level even on a lower level, is so fucking Powerful?

  • @TailsTheFox32

    @TailsTheFox32

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@MinscFromBaldursGate92 honestly he almost went in the right direction, and that was ultra instinct -sign- Goku wasn't stronger than Jiren, but he was faster and was dodging his attacks. That was a step in the right direction and ultra instinct even came with a drawback. Mastered came along and ruined it but boy did it mess him up. But... Let's not forget Super's ending. It was the power of trust, and not brute strength, that won the tournament.

  • @Dante...
    @Dante...3 жыл бұрын

    Unlike Yamcha whose failures are seen as funny/endearing. Tenshinhan's failures are just sad.

  • @Alexander-the-Mediocre

    @Alexander-the-Mediocre

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yamcha failures are seen as endearing/funny? Lol losing your gf so she can have a kid with the man that killed you might be funny but only in the look at how absolutely pathetic this man is kind of way. Yamcha is funny because of how pathetic and sad he is. He is the butt of the joke. Funny because he is easy to mock.

  • @Alexander-the-Mediocre

    @Alexander-the-Mediocre

    3 жыл бұрын

    @The Brick Layer that just makes it worst lol. Not sure how the orginal commenter thinks yamcha failure is endearing as he is the most pathetic character. Getting recked by the most trash villains. Treated like crap by Toriyama.

  • @Pandaman64

    @Pandaman64

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Alexander-the-Mediocre he went on to be a rich baseball player. I feel like he's winning out in life, it's fine. Long way for a poor desert bandit.

  • @Alexander-the-Mediocre

    @Alexander-the-Mediocre

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Pandaman64 First off that's headcannon. Nothing in the series shows he is rich and him playing baseball in DBZ was anime filler. So it being cannon is as questionable as him being as strong as the ginyu force on King Kai planet. And even after the sayian saga there is nothing that even shows he still playing baseball. Yamcha is treated like crap. The rich baseball player headcannon is just so people feel better about him or so they can say things like tien has it worst then yamcha.

  • @Pandaman64

    @Pandaman64

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Alexander-the-Mediocre at the beginning of z, he basically gets to pressure the team owner to pay him extra to win games, since even yamcha has a crazy level compared to regular guys. It was made clear he didn't like it, and preferred fighting. But it's not a bad life. I also wish toriyama would stop getting bored of his toys and maybe actually write something worth a damn for the human characters. But it's not an awful life for yamyams.

  • @JT_SOG_513
    @JT_SOG_513 Жыл бұрын

    “He has no family he has no backstory and he has no future” 😂

  • @dksannkat141
    @dksannkat141 Жыл бұрын

    The amount of times I rewatched this video lol Your points are spot on and Tien needs a lot of respect!

  • @fklondike

    @fklondike

    Жыл бұрын

    I thought I was the only one lmfao. I feel like I come back to this video every few months

  • @XboxFanatic14

    @XboxFanatic14

    Жыл бұрын

    @@fklondike me too it cracks me up and it’s so spot on 😂🤣

  • @bulb9970

    @bulb9970

    Жыл бұрын

    @@fklondikeOften I put his DB videos as background noise, it’s satisfying for some reason

  • @loneartist8310

    @loneartist8310

    Жыл бұрын

    True this one is a gem, i come back every once in a while

  • @phoenixsplash135
    @phoenixsplash1356 жыл бұрын

    "Tien's greatest accomplishment in life is nearly dying just holding the worst form of a villain in place so Krillen could later impregnate a supermodel he was chasing" Oh god.. Oh god he's right

  • @tiablue9106

    @tiablue9106

    6 жыл бұрын

    Honestly, Krillin and Vegeta's actions (destroying the remote and letting Cell absorb 18) pretty much made Tien's whole stand-off against Cell pointless. So fuck them

  • @MarqFJA87

    @MarqFJA87

    6 жыл бұрын

    "I DIDN'T KIKOUHOU MYSELF HALF TO DEATH SO HE COULD GET LAID!"

  • @Elponchomon

    @Elponchomon

    6 жыл бұрын

    but second form cell is toriyama's favorite lol

  • @NodDisciple1

    @NodDisciple1

    6 жыл бұрын

    +Marq FJA That should be a TFS line.

  • @hamzab4433

    @hamzab4433

    6 жыл бұрын

    "Kikouhou fuck yourself"

  • @isleschild
    @isleschild6 жыл бұрын

    team fourstar likes Tien...

  • @ivanadriazola1991

    @ivanadriazola1991

    5 жыл бұрын

    Khelekmir They love him Also he is the only serius character in the series.

  • @ivanadriazola1991

    @ivanadriazola1991

    5 жыл бұрын

    Ashly Medina And he knows that

  • @Alzeal07

    @Alzeal07

    5 жыл бұрын

    team fourstar's Vegeta hates Tien...

  • @lilfroztythecoldone2762

    @lilfroztythecoldone2762

    5 жыл бұрын

    Fuck super saiyans Fuck androids AND FUCK YOU!!! SHIEN KIKOHO

  • @yuuji_

    @yuuji_

    5 жыл бұрын

    Cell : So I'm a hair's breadth from perfection and then triclop shows up and decides : "I'm just gonna turn triangles into fucking squares" !

  • @Cailan_Mors
    @Cailan_Mors9 ай бұрын

    Tien's humiliation started in DB when Goku had to save him from Drum. He was the second strongest fighter, but couldn't even defeat King Piccolo's henchson. Then he got replaced by Piccolo Jr as Goku's main rival.

  • @InfernosReaper

    @InfernosReaper

    12 күн бұрын

    Goku at least got a BS power up. Yajirobe is the one who brought the real shame to Tien. Yajirobe actually killed one of Piccolo's underlings and quite easily

  • @SaltyLobster
    @SaltyLobster9 ай бұрын

    Man, if they hate Tien so much, then it would be better if they just wrote him out of the story for good. There are people who like him and remember him being cool (myself included) and they don't enjoy watching him being disrespeced for no reason other than shitty writing. He was introduced as a martial arts prodigy with great set of skills and mental discipline. Since fighting is basicly all he does in his life, he should be amazing after all those years of training. Kinda reminds me of what they did with Luke and Han in sequel trilogy. Is it so hard to understand that nobody likes to see old heroes being old, weak and defeated? I'd rather don't see Tien at all, remember his greatest moments and wonder how he's doing now (hoping for the best) than get to see that he sucks.

  • @abryn6864

    @abryn6864

    8 ай бұрын

    Honestly it's kind of wild how Tenshinhan has such a great utility in ki negation. That would make him incredibly viable! Like, straight up, imagine if he trained in it enough that virtually any energy attack was useless if he could anticipate it. Tenshinhan would have been perfect to represent the value of not just power level or resourcefulness, but also an incredible skill pool.

  • @ChangedMyNameFinally69

    @ChangedMyNameFinally69

    7 ай бұрын

    Luke and Han got old though

  • @G.P.M_7

    @G.P.M_7

    2 ай бұрын

    One of the problems the franchise suffers is that, unless you can keep up with the other characters and have an awesome power up, chances are you are gonna get forgotten. But the thing is, why not just leave him alone? Why drag such big chunk of the cast everywhere when mostly Goku, Vegetta or Gohan at best are gonna do most of the important stuff?

  • @youngmallet
    @youngmallet6 жыл бұрын

    Fun Fact: Tien/Choutzu were the first characters to fly using Ki in Dragon Ball because they were that skilled. They called it Skywalking...then everybody else somehow magically learned how to fly.

  • @Basheerrko

    @Basheerrko

    6 жыл бұрын

    Moses i know right

  • @kyumazu1926

    @kyumazu1926

    6 жыл бұрын

    Moses tien need some love please !!!!

  • @pkj2148

    @pkj2148

    6 жыл бұрын

    Everyone but Roshi and I find that ridiculous. How come a master like him cannot fly.

  • @antoineclark3839

    @antoineclark3839

    6 жыл бұрын

    PKJ 214 master roshi probably could learn how to fly easily but he won't use it because the flying technique was invented by his rival.

  • @the1whoplayz

    @the1whoplayz

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@antoineclark3839 No it wasn't.

  • @brad3441
    @brad34413 жыл бұрын

    Tien in dragonball: when you fight the boss Tien in dragonball Z/Super: when you unlock him as a playable character

  • @polyman6859

    @polyman6859

    3 жыл бұрын

    You forgot to say when his stats are terrible so you never use him in the campaign, if only to grind everyone's level to 99 for an achievement.

  • @seg162

    @seg162

    3 жыл бұрын

    It really do be like that. You fuse the Minotaur but it never even gets the Labrys Strike it wrecked you with 30 times.

  • @ultralevixz5912

    @ultralevixz5912

    2 жыл бұрын

    whats wrong with z tien before the buu arc he was good but not great

  • @Alexander-the-Mediocre

    @Alexander-the-Mediocre

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ultralevixz5912 tien does one thing in Z. Hold down cell for a min. Humans in general do nothing in Z. Krillian who in namek gets a bs power up normally reserved for sayian making him by far the strongest human is just so he doesn't instantly die and can get beat up to show how strong the villains are. And so goku can turn super sayian. Z treats humans like crap and most moments when they do something in the anime its filler. Cool moment of tien fighting nappa. Filler. Humans fighting ginyu force on planet kai. Stupid filler. Humans training in the sayian saga. Filler. Yamcha not being a loser and having a baseball career. Filler.

  • @retexcrafted

    @retexcrafted

    2 жыл бұрын

    in z he uses his Kikoho on semi perfect cell and almost kills him so tien is still the boss till super

  • @AllTimeScary
    @AllTimeScary8 ай бұрын

    I watched this video when it first came out years ago but after just finishing the Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z manga, I had to watch it again. I get so much more out of it now knowing how cool and powerful Tien was. It's so sad what they did to him. And god that line about "I guess you'll never see me again" was so brutal in the manga. Like... okay then, goodbye I guess. Only for him to come back in one scene against Boo and get instantly defeated. So depressing. No one has a sadder life than him.

  • @DAMNS70
    @DAMNS702 жыл бұрын

    It really does make me upset how poorly Toriyama decided to write Tien in DBZ and after. He deserves a lot more respect being the embodiment of discipline, perseverance, loyalty and honor. The man goes and faces enemies 100x stronger than him without any hesitation. He trains pretty much everyday of his life and tries his hardest to help out when needed. Despite getting his ass kicked over and over again because the writers decided to make every new enemy insanely strong by default, he never stops training or showing up to help. Hell, he is the only one from the DB humans who has never quit as a Martial Artist/Z-Fighter (Krillin, Yamcha, Chiaotzu and Roshi all did at one point because they knew they couldn’t keep up with the saiyans), and he still gets treated like the weakest of the weak. Tien was and is still one of my favorite characters in DBZ and I really hope that they do him justice at some point in the future.

  • @MinscFromBaldursGate92

    @MinscFromBaldursGate92

    Жыл бұрын

    ''Like that's ever going to happen.''

  • @TheNukaColaMan10
    @TheNukaColaMan106 жыл бұрын

    Don't forget Krillin stole his Solar Flare, to the point where Krillin Got Solar Flare 100x, while tien, THE GUY WHO CREATED THE MOVE, Gets the shaft.

  • @slayertakim1

    @slayertakim1

    6 жыл бұрын

    The Nuka-Cola Man The Roshi students excel at stealing other peoples techniques and then claiming they did it first.

  • @zaramaenigma8432

    @zaramaenigma8432

    6 жыл бұрын

    slayertakim1 They *NEVER* claimed they did it first, their fans only think that because people see the ones who do it the most as the original user when that's a fallacy.

  • @zeronova1484

    @zeronova1484

    6 жыл бұрын

    Zarama Gexcior, THANK YOU.

  • @silencekid3136

    @silencekid3136

    6 жыл бұрын

    Tenshinhan learned solarflare Its not his He introduced that move

  • @ancientworld9922

    @ancientworld9922

    6 жыл бұрын

    this video is wrong First tien was weaker than kid goku he is straight lying kikoho doesn't work that way Kiai technique can only be used to block much weaker attacks He learned the kamehameha only he can't copy all moves krillin and goku did the kamehameha on their first try Tien is 5-6 older than krillin when he was introduced he had way more intense training Krillin was constantly closing the gap with tien throughout original dragon ball and had only a 3% difference in power in saiyan saga Watch original dragon ball Dbz kai (not dbz) from saiyan to cell saga oh yeah what about all those fillers toei kept giving tien in db and dbz just to make him look good in EVERY fight ,krillin gets non .... Tien trained with only 1 goal to surpass or maybe prepare for a new threat all of which he dropped in cell saga he said that himself he now has a job Toriyama said only piccolo vegeta and goku train all the time he doesn't train all the time

  • @madcat789
    @madcat7893 жыл бұрын

    -Four Arms -Multiply -Solar Flare -Third Eye -Years of training and dedication -Psychic -Combo Moves -Energy Cancellation -Kikoho -Bald These are reasons why Tien is great.

  • @விஷ்ணு_கார்த்திக்

    @விஷ்ணு_கார்த்திக்

    3 жыл бұрын

    -Bald -Launch Wants to Bone Tien ^^^The real reason why plague loves Tien

  • @TheLikenessOfNormal

    @TheLikenessOfNormal

    3 жыл бұрын

    He's not psychic, Chaiotzu is. Cause remember, Tien was introduced as a dirty cheater.

  • @madcat789

    @madcat789

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@TheLikenessOfNormal I meant in a spiritual sense.

  • @JeiJohnson

    @JeiJohnson

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@TheLikenessOfNormal He's psychic. Remember him talking with Chaiotzu telepathically? I'm pretty sure it's his third eye that allowed that. I can't recall, but I'm pretty sure he had a psychic stun move... I know he had a push of psychic energy as a knock back attack with one hand, where he didn't fire a ki-blast. It was more like propulsion in cinematic view, but that was also a psychic move against the Saibaman he was fighting. And his Ki Akeshi literally uses psychic powers to cancel out ki-blasts. More than certain Tenshinhan is psychic as well, not just Chaiotzu.

  • @gracenote108

    @gracenote108

    3 жыл бұрын

    Tien isn't even a full human. His character is also descended from an alien race.

  • @cossackfalco
    @cossackfalco Жыл бұрын

    its a sad day when tien is one of the few characters you can PHYSICALLY see him grow in shape, and POOF all his muscle mass disappears, the fck. he never stopped training and now look at him...

  • @GuiltlessGear

    @GuiltlessGear

    3 ай бұрын

    art style shift is a bitch Super 18 is about half as wide as she used to be. go back and watch the vegeta fight again, it's no wonder those tree trunks broke his arm

  • @warmcoffee69
    @warmcoffee69 Жыл бұрын

    This video just becomes more valid over time. Super has tried to bring back unique training and paths to power beyond just brute strength. Based on Super's logic, Tien should be stronger than beerus lol. He really did never stop training. Gohan trains for a day and becomes ssj blue level. Tien trains his whole life and you can't even tell how strong he is compared to Z characters.

  • @vibemasterkorosu2469

    @vibemasterkorosu2469

    10 ай бұрын

    It's called privilege, Toriyama only wanks off the Saiyans (Goku and Veggie, although SOMETIMES Gohan gets also a handjob). The humans have yet to actually do some progress.

  • @vahlen5281

    @vahlen5281

    10 ай бұрын

    An attempt was made in Super, but that ship had sailed long ago. Basically as soon as the concept of the Saiyan race with their Zenkai boosts and transformation capabilities were introduced, everyone else became obsolete fodder, whose sole purpose was to get dunked on by villains for "shock value".

  • @illseeyaonthedarksideofthemoon

    @illseeyaonthedarksideofthemoon

    6 ай бұрын

    wtf is unique about super?

  • @playahwon
    @playahwon4 жыл бұрын

    You remember when the Kikoho was basically invisible, and it hit pretty much the moment it was fired? I miss that.

  • @Noobie2k7

    @Noobie2k7

    3 жыл бұрын

    and that was a normal Kikoho, not even the 'Shin Kikoho'

  • @deandrenicholas2545

    @deandrenicholas2545

    3 жыл бұрын

    I don't remember that move ever actually destroyong anything. And I'm not trying to be funny. I remember him hitting Cell with it and it being effective bit it didn't destroy anything but the ground around him.

  • @playahwon

    @playahwon

    3 жыл бұрын

    That's sorta what I meant when I said "destroyed its target the moment it was fired." It never did much to Ten's opponents, but once it was fired, there was suddenly a square hole in the ground it _did_ hit. Maybe "it hit the moment it was fired" would be better wording.

  • @paulandreotti1639

    @paulandreotti1639

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@playahwon And how the image of his opponent would get magnified in between his hands before he fired. Man, Tien was such a cool character.

  • @jamjambo351

    @jamjambo351

    3 жыл бұрын

    That move allowed him to pin fucking cell, when tien was an ant compared to him, yeah i miss that..

  • @TeamRCXD
    @TeamRCXD5 жыл бұрын

    "This Tournament isn't about pure strength" *Enters Jiren*

  • @crowx5818

    @crowx5818

    5 жыл бұрын

    And thats the problem with the tournament, it tried to be more than just who had the biggest number, but it ultimately bowed down to the toriyama formula of having the villains have bigger numbers than the previous one and then focusing the arc around who has the biggest number by throwing in new forms.

  • @thehypershon4064

    @thehypershon4064

    5 жыл бұрын

    Lol except strength in DB isn’t really strength it’s just numbers

  • @thebossmana

    @thebossmana

    5 жыл бұрын

    And he lost to teamwork.....that's literally the point

  • @lolcall5295

    @lolcall5295

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@thebossmana except that only happens because the protagonist got infinite plot armor. Jiren literally gave no fuck till like 10 mins left in the tournament when he can blitz and end every single participant by himself. He just sit around doing no shit but then he suddenly get super motivated and must not lose at all. This guy had the worst writing of any character ever.

  • @user-op6kt8pg9y

    @user-op6kt8pg9y

    5 жыл бұрын

    Xx_savage fartz_xX I don’t think you know what power is, the lose definition of power is the combination of speed and strength so not just strenght

  • @JonnnyStorrrm
    @JonnnyStorrrm Жыл бұрын

    What absolute disrespect towards a character that was at one point a complete badass. I still believe he's the strongest human in the series, no fucking way Krillin is stronger than him. Ridiculous and absolute bullshit how Toriyama treats Tien like he's nothing. One of the hardest working characters in the entire series since the beginning, training every single day and doesn't have shit to show for it. This man would go against villains he damn well knew he was no match for, taking on King Piccolo by himself, fighting Nappa even after chopping off his hand and blasting Cell into oblivion. Even if his attacks weren't enough he gave it his all until the very end going out like a true warrior. And just what the fuck happened to his physique in Super? He was jacked in dbz and even in og db, one of the biggest dudes. It's like Toriyama tried his damn hardest to make him look weaker in every possible way imaginable smh. Tien will always be the man and have my respect - without a doubt the most focused, disciplined, and stoic character. A true role model

  • @Alexander-the-Mediocre

    @Alexander-the-Mediocre

    Жыл бұрын

    Lol execpt in the manga tien doesn't even fight nappa he gets basically one shotted. Once tien became good he had no good moment except for holding down cell. Thats one time.... He got his arm punched off then kicked then he did an attack that did nothing then died. Lol he died like a scrub to nappa. His cool nappa fight is anime filler in the manga he didn't even throw a punch at nappa. Its been the standard since early DB that new characters are stronger then the old. For example yajirobi when introduce was goku equal and was able to easily beat a piccolo child scaling him way above tien. Yajirobi was by far the strongest human when introduced. And was a genius as he got the strong on his own with no formal training. One arc later he is a coward and can't fight. Also Krillian is stronger. He got a mcguffin power up normally reserved for main characters once. Remember training barely gets you stronger you need some kind of power up. Transformation, zenki boost, unlock hidden potential, special mcguffin training (gravity room, time chamber) etc. Humans get none of these ever EXCEPT the one time krillian got a mcguffin power up (potential unlock) so he could stay relevant otherwise he would be killed by fodder in the namek ark. Krillian needed to get stronger so the villians could beat him up to show how strong they are.

  • @InfernosReaper

    @InfernosReaper

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Alexander-the-Mediocre It's genuinely bullshit that Tien and Chiaotzu died and didn't even break Nappa's armor. Enraged Toddler Gohan was weaker than each of them and could at least damage the armor. Also, Krillin's BS powerful was way back on Namek and wasn't even enough to be a threat to one of the Ginyus. Hell, even with it, he probably couldn't even take out Kiwi, let alone Dodoria or Zarbon.

  • @Alexander-the-Mediocre

    @Alexander-the-Mediocre

    Жыл бұрын

    @@InfernosReaper lol nope tien was just that weak. He would also loss to kiwis easily. Krillian hurt 2nd form freeza. Power levels are very inconsistent bit krillian has much better feats then tien and the power up is the only explanation. Fan head cannon is that it made him stronger slowly as he couldnt hit the ginyu but could hurt freeza

  • @InfernosReaper

    @InfernosReaper

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Alexander-the-Mediocre in the Toriyama-approved filler, Tien beat *2* Ginyu force members, when Krillin and Gohan *combined* couldn't even beat *one*

  • @Alexander-the-Mediocre

    @Alexander-the-Mediocre

    Жыл бұрын

    @@InfernosReaper unless you can give me a source that filler is cannon I don't believe it cause it breaks power level as bad as super. No way tien goes from power level less then 2k to over 50k when goku only got to 5 -6k not included kaioken. Also since you care about Toriyama approved content that mean you believe the data book which put krillian at 70k by the freiza fight. Toriyama contradicts dragon ball multiple times that's why no one takes him that seriously. He said super sayian is a 10x multipler lol.

  • @sterlingtv5680
    @sterlingtv5680 Жыл бұрын

    I’ve always felt this same exact way, and Tien and Piccolo have always been my favorite characters. They always did the same thing to Chiaotzu, I know he stopped training and all that but they could’ve done so much more with him as he’s always been one of the other most unique characters with an awesome move set.

  • @emiliosanchez9406

    @emiliosanchez9406

    Жыл бұрын

    chiaotzu never stop training just stop fighting

  • @Noobie2k7
    @Noobie2k73 жыл бұрын

    Just remember, Chiaotzu got it even worse. In Dragonball he was an actual martial artist and had actually powerful techniques and psychic powers, and Krillin only even managed to beat him by tricking him with a maths question and he was assumed to be strong enough to kill Goku and Tien using his psychic abilities alone.

  • @Joz_amu

    @Joz_amu

    3 жыл бұрын

    No, Tien got it much worse because he went from the strongest human (or even character, at the time) who was all that, to a complete weak nobody with a side of nothing

  • @masterxitra

    @masterxitra

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Joz_amu i cri everi tim :(

  • @dexter111344

    @dexter111344

    2 жыл бұрын

    Chiaotzu gets a win in the Moro arc while Tien just catches the L.

  • @DaSheepKiller

    @DaSheepKiller

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@dexter111344 and then every human gets an L and have to be saved by Goku

  • @chrisprusinowski5287

    @chrisprusinowski5287

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@dexter111344 The entire Moro arc was schizophrenic, scatter brained schlock. Almost every character gets a moment to shine, but then get conveniently tossed to the side when Moro pulls a Perfect Cell and absorbs a bio-android then Goku gets to have the spotlight again.

  • @Grandmaster_Sub-Zero
    @Grandmaster_Sub-Zero4 жыл бұрын

    I really wish someone would translate this video into Japanese and post on all the top Japanese anime forums. And send it to Toei too.

  • @zaishijunior9455

    @zaishijunior9455

    4 жыл бұрын

    this^

  • @sabersroommate8293

    @sabersroommate8293

    4 жыл бұрын

    With a big caption for the "That's a Toriyama Hand job" in English and japanese

  • @Basheerrko

    @Basheerrko

    4 жыл бұрын

    Definitely so then there might be a chance for toriyama to see it and then fix tenshinhan character and give him ultra instinct because he deserves it for training all of his life.

  • @jackgebhardt2932

    @jackgebhardt2932

    4 жыл бұрын

    And then they copyright strike Plague for using footage of Dragon Ball.

  • @matti.8465

    @matti.8465

    4 жыл бұрын

    Does this sound like the kind of informative, constructive and fair criticism one would send to executives?

  • @BigPuddin
    @BigPuddin Жыл бұрын

    You do so much with Tien's unique abilities. The guy is psychic. He could use illusions. Misdirecting. He could fool and confuse his opponents to make them vulnerable only to follow up with some sort of psionic attack against which the average ki user would have no defense. But no. It's not dumb punching and lasers constantly so Toriyama won't use any of his powers for more than a second just to nostalgia bait because he despises actually being creative like a legitimate writer. It takes a lot of skill and talent to write a smart fighter using his intelligence and deception via esoteric powers, and your characters are only as smart as you can write them to be...which is why we're always doubling back to the derivative ass punching, kicking, and laser beams.

  • @a.j.carter2294

    @a.j.carter2294

    11 ай бұрын

    That and Toei doesn’t seem to want to do any actual work in the animation department just like the writing

  • @wreday720
    @wreday7202 жыл бұрын

    To this day Im surprised how many people actually watched this video and are showing how much they actually care about Tien, he was always my favourite character for his dedication but I accepted ppl were most interested in Gohan, Vegeta, Piccolo, Trunks etc. Now we have this video and suddenly so much respect for the guy. Either the Tien fans got louder or the fanbase is realising how great of a character he truly deserved to be. Maybe one day when they decide to reboot dragonball or something, he can finally get the spotlight he deserved because honestly TOP was likely the last opportunity they had to do anything with him as we approach End of Z

  • @InfernosReaper

    @InfernosReaper

    Жыл бұрын

    The fans probably finally got around to watching Dragonball and were like, "oh my god, this dude was great. What the hell happened?!"

  • @kenjikuroiwa99
    @kenjikuroiwa996 жыл бұрын

    Oh yes, the ranting now doesn't even come hidden as an art video, this is just straight up ranting.... I love it.

  • @scizor285

    @scizor285

    6 жыл бұрын

    kenjikuroiwa99 which art videos does Plague rant about Super?

  • @shrubninja6444

    @shrubninja6444

    6 жыл бұрын

    Well to be fair, a lot of the rant uses images and clips from the episodes, so I can see why there's no art in the background.

  • @lovingfool2060

    @lovingfool2060

    6 жыл бұрын

    Chaos5338 Mostly in the dbz trifustions.

  • @DisplayName317

    @DisplayName317

    6 жыл бұрын

    DB Trifusions and the video about staying on model where he draws Goku. Any video he's done even remotely related to Dragon Ball will have griping about Super to some extent, though the Trifusions were more focused on griping about Launch.

  • @Sandra_aschenbach_doyle

    @Sandra_aschenbach_doyle

    6 жыл бұрын

    Agreed, Not that plaque isn't very talented as an artist, I just think his weird furry fetish, which Is very weird, is weird. But he is incredibly good at talking about things like this.

  • @firedemon43
    @firedemon436 жыл бұрын

    To be fair goku forgot he had a son

  • @OfKingsXI

    @OfKingsXI

    6 жыл бұрын

    yeah uh... where the fuck's goten?

  • @isultansultangaliev5852

    @isultansultangaliev5852

    6 жыл бұрын

    Dell Conagher on 17's island with trunks supposedly terrorising poor poachers.

  • @megamonmon

    @megamonmon

    6 жыл бұрын

    Dell Conagher goku isnt THAT irresponsible to bring his 7 year old into this

  • @Pathseacher

    @Pathseacher

    6 жыл бұрын

    The 43rd Firedemon also he didn't want Goten nor trunks in the tournament because they're too reckless, stated in the anime, and if they went fusion, and decided to get ahead of themselves, that would probably be two more fighters down in the tournament.

  • @Anbob658

    @Anbob658

    6 жыл бұрын

    Goku remembered Goten, he forgot Gohan

  • @SansMbv
    @SansMbv9 ай бұрын

    Whats really dumb is that Goku mentions Tein when trying to recruit 17 yet doesn't think of him to join

  • @nokomoko8832
    @nokomoko88323 ай бұрын

    super is fanfiction.

  • @KristieNorth17
    @KristieNorth175 жыл бұрын

    Yamcha: gets a quick mercy kill from a violent green bean. Tien: gets his arm ripped off and has to watch his closest friend die for nothing.

  • @ghostofcoolidge245

    @ghostofcoolidge245

    5 жыл бұрын

    The green bean is aggressive?

  • @QwyattStorm

    @QwyattStorm

    4 жыл бұрын

    Remember when Vegeta blew himself up like Chiaztou and nothing happened to Buu, but people gave him no shit about it and still thinks hes cool?

  • @QwyattStorm

    @QwyattStorm

    4 жыл бұрын

    @Xavier Thomas I dont the only time Vegeta was cool was during the original Saiyan arc and right before he starts crying like a bitch before Frieza kills him.

  • @locke103

    @locke103

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@QwyattStorm pretty sure freiza killed him cause he wouldnt shut up about that goddamn legend.

  • @MarineRX179

    @MarineRX179

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@QwyattStorm "Crying like a bitch before Frieza kill him"...was that how it came across in the English dub version? I knew the English script American version was awful but wow. In the manga and the Japanese version, that was actually a moving moment where Vegeta let go of his own ego and pride and stop pretending to not give a shit, and shown his vulnerability as a person and truly wished Goku to defeat Frieza for the sake of avenging the Saiyan race.

  • @fookinaye8277
    @fookinaye82775 жыл бұрын

    "Oh look its Tien!! What, was Krillin busy?!"

  • @Sonic_the_Hedge-hog

    @Sonic_the_Hedge-hog

    5 жыл бұрын

    Damn you, Cell.

  • @No_One_Important

    @No_One_Important

    5 жыл бұрын

    *Grunts while slamming hands together and interlocking the fingers*

  • @jefflee7802

    @jefflee7802

    5 жыл бұрын

    LMAO I remember that scene it cracked me up Everytime

  • @racatkns9977

    @racatkns9977

    5 жыл бұрын

    Kikoho intensifies

  • @No_One_Important

    @No_One_Important

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@racatkns9977 "Aww that's adora- SHIIIIIIIIIIII!

  • @forgot7en
    @forgot7en Жыл бұрын

    People have also forgotten that in DBZ, when Yamcha died again during the Buu saga, he was allowed to go train with the Kais and all the warriors from the other galaxies, like Goku did. Yamcha is ALSO supposed to be massively, massively strong when you take that into consideration; he says that he really does want to become stronger and still demonstrates a passion for fighting. He didn't even want to be resurrected again because of that. He was NOT a joke character by the end of DBZ, not in the slightest. The FANS turned him into a joke, and Toei were like "ok.jpg" so now he's a playboy baseball player for no logical reason because that's apparently the only thing everyone remembers besides that one time he was killed by a Cybaman and fisted by Gero. If Tienshinhan is supposed to be the absolute strongest human in the main cast, then Yamcha can't be far behind, but if he was put through the same training as Goku in the afterlife, then he really should've been far above him. If, you know, they actually cared about continuity.

  • @Alexander-the-Mediocre

    @Alexander-the-Mediocre

    Жыл бұрын

    Lol what. Yamcha was a joke in DBZ (though all humans basically are) he gets killed in the sayian saga by a scrub. Training with king Kai means nothing at best he is at 9000 power level cause he doesnt get kaioken which is nothing by the end of the namek saga. Andriod saga bulma his long time gf leaves him for his murder. And then he basically runs away the rest of the saga. He is a joke in DBZ. All humans are but he is the worst. So what if he trains with kai's at the end doesnt undo how laughably he was treated in the rest of dbz

  • @forgot7en

    @forgot7en

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Alexander-the-Mediocre q.e.d.

  • @Alexander-the-Mediocre

    @Alexander-the-Mediocre

    Жыл бұрын

    @@forgot7en Thanks I know I'm right. Also just want to point out that in the manga yamcha never goes to the Supreme Kai planet. So according to cannon he never trains or gets stronger or regains his fighting spirt. So your continuity and yamacha being strong by the end of Z doesn't work either.

  • @forgot7en

    @forgot7en

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Alexander-the-Mediocre Ok then.

  • @pilloeglade5463

    @pilloeglade5463

    Жыл бұрын

    Who said any human went to the surpreme kai? I don't see that. But we know they all went to king kai.

  • @lordfriedrick7911
    @lordfriedrick79117 ай бұрын

    There's a clear explanation about how Krillin got his power boost offscreen... It's called 18 and she's an expert at training Krillin's... "Endurance..."

  • @morange492

    @morange492

    4 ай бұрын

    Never thought about this but i'm sold

  • @ryanpeters1005
    @ryanpeters10054 жыл бұрын

    "Remember when Tien could grow four arms? Yeah, that would have been useful against Nappa." -TheActMan

  • @adarkwind4712

    @adarkwind4712

    3 жыл бұрын

    Really? I didn’t know the acting male did Anime videos.

  • @theseekerofdankness959

    @theseekerofdankness959

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@adarkwind4712 "The acting Male" Sorry dude that got me 🤣

  • @wenbluepirate3954

    @wenbluepirate3954

    3 жыл бұрын

    It's written "The Anime Man".

  • @wenbluepirate3954

    @wenbluepirate3954

    3 жыл бұрын

    Also, nah. It wouldn't have changed that.

  • @razkable

    @razkable

    3 жыл бұрын

    pikkoro can stretch his arms and become huge..could of been useful vs oozaru gohan and saving gohan from nappa without dying right?...i know its meant to be an instant reaction in the manga and the anime slows it down for us to see but he still did not have to die there or blow up the moon just to stop gohan...its so dumb...

  • @svddsosa7396
    @svddsosa73966 жыл бұрын

    TIENS ERECTION WAS READY TO GO NOT A HAND IN SIGHT *NOT A HAND IN SHIGHT TORIYAMA SAN*

  • @MonolJibberish

    @MonolJibberish

    6 жыл бұрын

    svdd sosa that's because Launch was written out so he couldn't get the handjob if he tried.

  • @jonathanhannah4

    @jonathanhannah4

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@MonolJibberish And even still he didn't care about her that much.

  • @josuebarba9361
    @josuebarba93617 ай бұрын

    Don´t you love how, whenever you critique the treatment of a character with a video like this, the croonies come out of the ground defending all the shit Toriyama farts? It happens even in this comment section: 'Krillin, Videl, and Roshi have more potential than Tien and Yamcha, therefore--' No they don´t. Potential is not a valid argument to dismiss criticism, especially when in this franchise "potential" is a transparent way to say the author is gonna wank everyone but the jobbers he hates. Don´t try to rationalize it.

  • @osirisjojo6876

    @osirisjojo6876

    7 ай бұрын

    Tien, Yamcha and Chaotizu r more interesting than Roshi, Krillin and Videl. Since Roshi and Krillin retired while Gohan discontinued due to wanting to be scholar there was room to focuse on Tien, Yamcha and Chaotizu but the writers prefer to make one irrelevant, turn the second strongest human into a joke and retcon the strongest human into a three eyed alien jobber. Favoritism, retcon, nerfing, sh$t writing decisions and (unearned, unoriginal, color swap) transformations being pulled out of nowhere is the downfall of this series and it made me appreciate GT for leaving Tien, Yamcha and Chaotizu as cameo and a proper transformation that made the Sayian tail relevant plus adding to the lore.

  • @AlIskanderZhao
    @AlIskanderZhao2 ай бұрын

    Btw, in the Journey to the West, one of Son Gokus principle enemies in the beginning of the story is the Three Eyed Yangjian, who can transform and is one of the best warriors of heaven. Tien is probably based off of him.

  • @Tenfey
    @Tenfey6 жыл бұрын

    I give him a Three out of Tien.

  • @Ranryu692

    @Ranryu692

    6 жыл бұрын

    boooooooo

  • @roccoloria9241

    @roccoloria9241

    6 жыл бұрын

    Holy shit hahaha

  • @nohat1375

    @nohat1375

    6 жыл бұрын

    IT'S TIME TO STOP

  • @mlo009

    @mlo009

    6 жыл бұрын

    ROFL!

  • @invidofinp1828

    @invidofinp1828

    6 жыл бұрын

    Tenfey Slow clapping. Well done.

  • @FadingL
    @FadingL6 жыл бұрын

    DB abridged actually treats him pretty well.

  • @luedog4life

    @luedog4life

    6 жыл бұрын

    "Ki ko fuck yourself"

  • @wadespencer3623

    @wadespencer3623

    6 жыл бұрын

    Well yeah, DBZ Abridged is written by people who care.

  • @FadingL

    @FadingL

    6 жыл бұрын

    And get punished for it..... I would by the fuck out of a DBZA box set.... No hesitation!

  • @FadingL

    @FadingL

    6 жыл бұрын

    He isn't great in dbza, he's just not shit. As for the reasons he could be a good character....the video does it better than I could.

  • @FadingL

    @FadingL

    6 жыл бұрын

    I'm pretty sure he's only 3-4 years older than them. Also did you watch the video?

  • @xbulmiruwu6030
    @xbulmiruwu6030 Жыл бұрын

    In DBZ Budokai 3, Tien’s Ultimate Attack version of Kikoho was unique in that if you lose the Ultimate Attack mini game, it’ll actually be more powerful than if you win the mini game. I always thought that was really cool.

  • @guccifer764
    @guccifer764 Жыл бұрын

    24:10 Honestly, these closing thoughts really hit home what’s so depressing about Tien. He’s spent his whole life training and trying to perfect the art of combat, and yet his entire progress can be overtaken by a bunch of 7 year olds because of superior genes. He’s like Yamcha, except Yamcha has had the good sense to give up and coast out of life. Sure, he’s not the strongest man on earth, but he’s probably getting a lot of good pussy. Tien on the other hand? He’s a 50 year old virgin whose best friend is a floating Chinese vampire child and runs a failing dojo with students who can’t even use Ki (something Videl, a fucking high schooler, mastered in a lazy afternoon). Tien refusal to quit isn’t inspiring, it’s just sad. Tl;dr: quit while you’re ahead

  • @L3yL1n3

    @L3yL1n3

    Жыл бұрын

    ….or bad writing which was the point of the video

  • @joaquincasascortes624

    @joaquincasascortes624

    Жыл бұрын

    @@L3yL1n3 Exactly, the Dragon Ball Super anime is known for having bad writting, in some cases really bad writting (Krillin matching SSJ God Blue Goku, Trunks genkisword from like 30 people killing Zamasu instead of Vegito, etc)

  • @MinscFromBaldursGate92

    @MinscFromBaldursGate92

    Жыл бұрын

    To be fair, Videl was already a skilled fighter when she met Gohan.

  • @vibemasterkorosu2469

    @vibemasterkorosu2469

    10 ай бұрын

    Yeah no way a random schoolgirl who got training from her father (who is a fraud, still a lot more stronger and faster than the average human) can have more skill than shaolin warriors (who are known to be training ever since the age of 5 in a super hardcore routine). This is just not good writing.@@MinscFromBaldursGate92

  • @InfernosReaper

    @InfernosReaper

    12 күн бұрын

    @@MinscFromBaldursGate92 And that is not a requisite for learning how to use ki. Hell, Tien was probably stronger than her when he was half her age. Goku certainly was.

  • @DraculaCronqvist
    @DraculaCronqvist4 жыл бұрын

    "He's a living joke of a man with no love or success in his life." - I thought this video was about Tenshinhan, not me.

  • @frankiethe5th

    @frankiethe5th

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yeah that one hit close to home

  • @sbevexlr848

    @sbevexlr848

    4 жыл бұрын

    R/Ihatemyselfcirclejerk

  • @user-kh2xy9jo2d

    @user-kh2xy9jo2d

    4 жыл бұрын

    "-no love-" Launch from dragon ball.

  • @sammydray5919

    @sammydray5919

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@user-kh2xy9jo2d What about Launch in Z and forward??? Oh wait 😂

  • @dimitriosdrossidis9633

    @dimitriosdrossidis9633

    4 жыл бұрын

    Oh, I felt that

  • @XiuHang
    @XiuHang6 жыл бұрын

    Can we also talk about how different Tien's size is? In the Cell arc Tien was the biggest dude; he wasn't the stongest but the biggest, but now he is a super skinny tiny dude?

  • @M3rtyville

    @M3rtyville

    6 жыл бұрын

    He also keeps his arms behind his back which he never did in the original manga.

  • @XiuHang

    @XiuHang

    6 жыл бұрын

    Yeah there's a lot of garbage with the art associated with Tien in super.

  • @Thisdude850

    @Thisdude850

    6 жыл бұрын

    Not really? Its the difference in artstyle,in the 80's big buff dudes with muscles were a thing,even 5 year old gohan had a 6 pack.

  • @XiuHang

    @XiuHang

    6 жыл бұрын

    I mean yeah the artstyle itself changes but that doesn't excuse the massive body type change that happens. It's important not to forget that Tien wasn't originally a huge guy. He became much bigger after the time skip that is where the anime changed from Dragon Ball to Dragon Ball Z, this was explained with his intense training. Tien from that point onwards was the biggest guy. He was the second tallest, second to Piccolo, and he had the largest muscle mass. Sure that "everybody is cut" artstyle was prevalent and modern artstyle doesn't do the whole "everyone is cut" thing but that doesn't excuse his physical size changing. It explains why he wears more clothes, but not why his body has shrunk massively.

  • @Thisdude850

    @Thisdude850

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thats how it goes,OG dragonball was more of a gag manga/anime in the beggining which is why Goku was chubby because of the artstyle that went along with it and by extension Tien who was part of the show as well. Then dbz came,the artstyle changed again because of the tone change that came along with(went from a gag anime to action anime)it,Goku went from a chubby kid to a buff Adult,so yet again by extension Tien changed as well and became more muscular. Those were the 80s,now the current artstyle for the anime is very commonplace which is not made up of buff dudes with 0 fat. The bigger muscles were part of the artstyle(most 80's anime/manga used)so now that in dragonball's modern reincarnation,Tien and everyone else seems to have lost a lot of muscle by default.

  • @i_will_hug_your_mom
    @i_will_hug_your_mom9 ай бұрын

    I gave up on this show when 17 was on par with Super Saiyan blue

  • @abryn6864

    @abryn6864

    8 ай бұрын

    Honestly I kind of buy that, like it was incredibly surprising that he was but it didn't feel impossible that he could. I'd just like to see 18 reach his skill level.

  • @user-yt9ro7md2h

    @user-yt9ro7md2h

    3 ай бұрын

    Idk,I think if we were willing to accept the androids coming fresh out the lab and making SSJ look like a joke,we can’t argue this lol they’ve always been a cheat code

  • @treehugger3615

    @treehugger3615

    3 ай бұрын

    Also in Dragon Ball GT. After the Super 17 saga I just gave up on GT.

  • @mortenlunddk
    @mortenlunddk2 жыл бұрын

    This is actually the general problem i have with dragon ball z after Namek and DB super. The side characters are simply side characters for the story to not feel empty and deprived, i miss original DB where characters had their own wants and needs and goals, some might even discover that their goals were bad.

  • @ChangedMyNameFinally69

    @ChangedMyNameFinally69

    7 ай бұрын

    Yeah have Oolong and Puar done shit at all anymore?

  • @ayhamahmad2277

    @ayhamahmad2277

    6 ай бұрын

    Naruto has the same issues but there is a reason for that because neji and the others were supposed to die in the sasuke rescue arc which would have a great ending for them keeping them alive was a mistake by the editor because there is not enough time gor kishimoto to focus on all these characters because he was working in the weekly manga and some characters like shino was very hard to draw so neji and the others should have died there but they were pupuler just like guy and the editor forced him to keep them alive which ruined them and dragon Ball issues is power creep they faced freza too early and Robert being more powerful than freza is stupid and boo arc should not exist

  • @ChangedMyNameFinally69

    @ChangedMyNameFinally69

    6 ай бұрын

    @@ayhamahmad2277 Robert? Yeah Shonen authors are so weirdly subservient to the whims of fans

  • @InfernosReaper

    @InfernosReaper

    12 күн бұрын

    To be fair, Nappa started that. Piccolo had only 500 less power than Nappa, according to Toriyama-approved sources and couldn't do anything to him. Tien has a move that should've amplified his power enough to destroy Nappa's armor if not Nappa, but he only mildly damages his armor. Chiaotzu couldn't even damage the armor when he exploded. Yamcha died to a Chia Pet Raditz. Krillin had a move that *could* have killed Nappa, but it failed to land. Gohan rage-boosted and could only burn Nappa's arm hairs Meanwhile, Yajirobe cut through that armor like it was nothing on Vegeta, but still didn't manage a noteworthy blow with that. There *no need* to have Goku be the one to finish off Nappa. That whole group combined should have been able to do it, given the precedence set with Raditz, but nope. They're side characters who existed stall until Goku gets there. That's the entirety of Z in a nutshell. People buying time for Goku to get there. Hell, Trunks even goes back in time to save Goku, not teach anyone how to become SSJ or get stronger. Nope, he just does it to save Goku so Goku will solve the problem

  • @a.liguria2698
    @a.liguria26984 жыл бұрын

    To quote tfs: Tien preparing to shoot his neo tri beam to Imperfect Cell : "This is the last cool thing I'll ever do. There is no joke" "Respect" Also, thanks for the 2026 upvotes folks.

  • @mrshaheedmalik

    @mrshaheedmalik

    4 жыл бұрын

    If only Tien only learned to use that move with no negatives.

  • @semiroblox7518

    @semiroblox7518

    4 жыл бұрын

    Semi perfect cell

  • @maryus786

    @maryus786

    4 жыл бұрын

    @neo blue realm ?

  • @SycosenMerihem

    @SycosenMerihem

    4 жыл бұрын

    Those bastards forgot about what he did to Super )V(ajin Buu.

  • @cryw1092

    @cryw1092

    4 жыл бұрын

    @Dalis918 I mean, they could just make a move that is visually and effectively identical, but up it's power scaling and remove the vitality cost. It's not like don't do something similar with other things all the time.

  • @RobertHorry1956
    @RobertHorry19564 жыл бұрын

    Let’s be for real DBZ Abridged is the reason his character is still relevant

  • @PrismanSP

    @PrismanSP

    4 жыл бұрын

    Facts

  • @SaltyBanjos

    @SaltyBanjos

    3 жыл бұрын

    basically almost all 2nd villains that appeared with the main villain that never appeared again or characters that never appeared again after thier debut or usless characters (zarbon, dodoria, nappa, Nail, etc) thanks to tfs these characters that were gonna be forgotten for sure will never be thanks to tfs

  • @gabemerritt3139

    @gabemerritt3139

    3 жыл бұрын

    Tien spamming Ki Ko Ho on Semi perfect Cell was the last cool thing he ever did.

  • @alfa01spotivo

    @alfa01spotivo

    3 жыл бұрын

    well no because thats a fan made comedy series

  • @sanguine7616

    @sanguine7616

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@alfa01spotivo What's your point?

  • @ArtietheArchon
    @ArtietheArchon3 ай бұрын

    The best description I've ever heard of Tien was that Vegeta hates him because he's the one guy who goes even harder than Vegeta and it's a fucking crime really to see not just mine but many people's favorite dark horse character get no love ever

  • @arongrunwald5365
    @arongrunwald5365 Жыл бұрын

    Tien is one of the most underrated characters. He is so smart, learns so fast. Would be so nice if they develop the Tien charakter

  • @lewispooper3138

    @lewispooper3138

    Жыл бұрын

    Cap

  • @shenronsuper

    @shenronsuper

    Жыл бұрын

    @@lewispooper3138 *facts

  • @strokeking15
    @strokeking154 жыл бұрын

    I loved Tien Shinhan. They made him an absolute joke of a character. Let’s ignore the fact that he held Cell’s semi perfect form down with the Tri Beam. Let’s ignore how he beat Goku in the twenty second martial arts tournament. Once in my opinion, the coolest human is now a living joke.

  • @arielazaria4680

    @arielazaria4680

    4 жыл бұрын

    lets also not forget that when the gang thought that goku was killed by piccolo, tien was the only hope left. that's how strong he was. lets also not forget that he was capable of doing the mafuba and survive, something that even roshi couldn't do. Yeah, it failed to work on piccolo, but it was cool nonetheless. Tien IS one of the best characters in the franchise and everyone who did watch the original series knows it.

  • @yungblade7

    @yungblade7

    4 жыл бұрын

    He also held off super buu with TRI beam

  • @rahulsar2030

    @rahulsar2030

    4 жыл бұрын

    He didn't got the worst. Yancha is the worst joke ever. He trained under kami and King Kai but still Roshi is better choice than him for ToP.

  • @Unethical.Dodgson

    @Unethical.Dodgson

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@yungblade7 No, he really didn't. His Tri-beam was about as effective as a sunbed against Buu. ​ Rahul Sar Agreed. Yamcha was introduced as something of a prodigy. He was supposed to be the strongest human (or at least strongest potential) until he was surpassed by Krillin and he was made completely worthless by more fighters in tournaments and had his leg broken by Tien. The only good thing he did since then was in filler episodes of Z where he fought the Ginyus on King Kai's planet and fought in other world.

  • @dboymax1

    @dboymax1

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Unethical.Dodgson You can thank Toriyama for that....

  • @ChaChaCha212
    @ChaChaCha2126 жыл бұрын

    Krillin: I'M SO WEAK! TIEN: Hold my beer.

  • @bradley8614

    @bradley8614

    6 жыл бұрын

    Lmaoooo!

  • @zelleongexcior5346

    @zelleongexcior5346

    6 жыл бұрын

    Alejandro Delgado Tien>Krillin

  • @kidblack1562

    @kidblack1562

    6 жыл бұрын

    LMAOOOO 😂

  • @chocolateex1907

    @chocolateex1907

    6 жыл бұрын

    *drops the beer

  • @toastyzzz6881

    @toastyzzz6881

    3 жыл бұрын

    You know tien by feats is stronger than krillen :/

  • @victorn5870
    @victorn58702 ай бұрын

    Tien trains hard but all his powerups went to gohan,. Its hard to make humans strong in saiyan centered story.

  • @Schwartzbruder1
    @Schwartzbruder13 ай бұрын

    Rip toryama

  • @filipeeduardoduartedealenc7872
    @filipeeduardoduartedealenc78726 жыл бұрын

    I actually like Tien... Now I feel bad for the guy... Thanks Toriyama...

  • @taxuenowoz4038

    @taxuenowoz4038

    6 жыл бұрын

    ilr yamcha got a self insert fanfic. That's the best we are gonna get for him.

  • @soegte

    @soegte

    6 жыл бұрын

    like Toriyama is writting Tien, blame the writers in the Super staff , Tien doesn't have a godfather there thats why hes so mistreated.

  • @TheAsylumCat

    @TheAsylumCat

    6 жыл бұрын

    Filipe Eduardo it reminds me of tfs Dragon ball abridged series were tien kikoho's the shit out of cell.

  • @TheLouis6555

    @TheLouis6555

    6 жыл бұрын

    Tien was my favorite in Dragonball. I was looking forward to him getting his moment to shine in the Universe Survival arc. Now I'm pissed that Toei is so apathetic toward him, yet they brought Roshi back as a form of fanservice.

  • @im50yearsold

    @im50yearsold

    6 жыл бұрын

    Toriyama just provides a very basic baseline. Toei staff are garbage when it comes to writing. Let's just believe in Toyataros manga.

  • @danielah9510
    @danielah95106 жыл бұрын

    Even Yamcha has his own episode

  • @fdd4957

    @fdd4957

    6 жыл бұрын

    Daniel Arroyo Half time entertainment.

  • @nettycouture8745

    @nettycouture8745

    6 жыл бұрын

    But frankly, he was just happy to be included.

  • @qcwolfgaming

    @qcwolfgaming

    6 жыл бұрын

    He was on the list, that the reason.

  • @DarkAcolyteNZ

    @DarkAcolyteNZ

    6 жыл бұрын

    He only had an episode so he could get yamcha'd

  • @ajmoses2326

    @ajmoses2326

    6 жыл бұрын

    When?

  • @acetrigger1337
    @acetrigger1337 Жыл бұрын

    Tien was legit just a "China" character, and Toriyama used him as a villain in the same way that America uses Russians as generic villains. that was the extent of his characterization, but even in OG Dragon Ball, he was given some humanity. DBSuper is just a very long-winded insult to Anime as a whole.

  • @LordBloodySoul
    @LordBloodySoul Жыл бұрын

    Finally, someone who talks the talk!! I love Tien! He's my fav character along with Chiaotzu! Every time I see them being so mistreated in the show, I am like: "Why?! What did they do to deserve this!? They were the most powerful duo in the entire Dragonball series at some point! And you just waste their potential, because Saiyans are so much cooler than them, huh?" It's bullshit, I tell you! >:(

  • @MrTheebs
    @MrTheebs6 жыл бұрын

    What about Chaozu ? If you look closely at the books, you'll notice Goku never ever even SPOKE to him in the entire 42 volumes. Not a single word !

  • @mr.perfectcell3843

    @mr.perfectcell3843

    6 жыл бұрын

    MrTheebs its because chaozu isn’t real, he’s Tien’s imaginary friend

  • @MrTheebs

    @MrTheebs

    6 жыл бұрын

    And sex toy

  • @stealthyninja1

    @stealthyninja1

    6 жыл бұрын

    Mr. Perfect Cell then how did he blow nappa

  • @franztanaka

    @franztanaka

    6 жыл бұрын

    That's when Tien "blew" nappa... with his "friend-sex toy"... uh, sorry, I'm going away.

  • @bigbangpegasusmaster

    @bigbangpegasusmaster

    6 жыл бұрын

    now that I think of it, aside from tien and krillin, who has spoken to chiaotzu?

  • @FriezaSucks
    @FriezaSucks3 жыл бұрын

    Glad to hear that Radditz is still the standard unit of power measurement

  • @UnwantedGhost1

    @UnwantedGhost1

    2 жыл бұрын

    Imagine if it wasn't? 😭

  • @MinscFromBaldursGate92

    @MinscFromBaldursGate92

    2 жыл бұрын

    Jiren is like a gajillion Radditz.

  • @willies545

    @willies545

    2 жыл бұрын

    Guy who's as strong as a saibamen says what?

  • @jojogacha974

    @jojogacha974

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@MinscFromBaldursGate92 nah jiren is so powerful you can’t measure his power by raditz

  • @__-lu3xy

    @__-lu3xy

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@jojogacha974 everything can be measured with raditz. ITS THE PERFECT SCALE! Raditz is limitless.

  • @treehugger3615
    @treehugger36153 ай бұрын

    It's quite insulting actually, because his legacy on the DB universe is quite significant. Every time a fighter does the solar flare attack, they have Tien to thank for, yet he is never mentioned. God forbid someone think of him, but thanks for the trick anyways. EDIT: Hell, even "flying" or at least hoovering in the air was first introduced to the DB universe by Tien and Chaotzu. They sure a owe a lot to this man. Even the doppelganger trick used by SSJ4 Gogeta can be traced back to Tien.

  • @shorteditz885
    @shorteditz8854 ай бұрын

    man being a vegeta fan and tien fan at the same time is worst i fucking love it

  • @ellie7252

    @ellie7252

    3 ай бұрын

    right?? at this point, Yamcha fans have it better (just barely.)

  • @Kilo6Charlie
    @Kilo6Charlie5 жыл бұрын

    See, Tien should actually be SUPER terrifying. If you remember back in Dragonball his schtick was that he could replicate ANY technique he's seen before. He's seen Ultra Instinct, he's seen Hit's dumb Time Skip, he's seen those stupid magical girl transformations, he's seen most of Beerus' attacks... Shouldn't he be absolutely terrifying and one of the strongest characters in the show?

  • @jesseb08

    @jesseb08

    5 жыл бұрын

    Toriyama forgot he made a good character

  • @maskedkitty7350

    @maskedkitty7350

    5 жыл бұрын

    Kilo6Charlie oh shit man, that’s actually a super good point, why isn’t he more of a main character? i mean if krillin can be a side-main then why can’t he.

  • @Grandmaster_Sub-Zero

    @Grandmaster_Sub-Zero

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@maskedkitty7350 Because Japan doesn't like Tien.

  • @33dbz

    @33dbz

    5 жыл бұрын

    I think time skip and ultra instinct r a little more complicated to do then say...firing an energy wave. Just saiyan

  • @skourpi142

    @skourpi142

    5 жыл бұрын

    In all honesty tein is what happens when you design a character to be a villain but then try to turn them to a good guy and you utterly fail at that. Vegeta is a good turn but we never see any screen time of him fighting or doing anything meaningful to be honest vegeta and tein are in the we don’t do anything and are basically pointless club and it honestly sucks because they are really really good characters and they could show that hard work pays off but nope just be the main character in a series and you will get just about everything handed to you. 😤Dragon ball super could have fixed the problems that DBZ created where they wrote off everybody that wasn’t an alien.

  • @Maligale.
    @Maligale.2 жыл бұрын

    Tien: trains his whole life and get no new powers Some random Saiyan: I got this tingle in my back…

  • @Alexander-the-Mediocre

    @Alexander-the-Mediocre

    2 жыл бұрын

    Meanwhile two children get a pass on being super sayian because its dbz.

  • @oxy9524

    @oxy9524

    2 жыл бұрын

    Meanwhile, an random saiyan gets to go from planetary to universal+ in less than an day because he somehow have more plot armor than the protagonist.

  • @lordhades598

    @lordhades598

    2 жыл бұрын

    Facts Tien to me is like the human Piccolo but didn't have his potential fully utilized

  • @hobowithamansion42

    @hobowithamansion42

    2 жыл бұрын

    Some android: I'm a park ranger.

  • @n11124

    @n11124

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@oxy9524 I mean, that's his character.

  • @okaberintorouwithagun
    @okaberintorouwithagun2 жыл бұрын

    I love how straight up you are while explaining this because it feels like something I would talk about in just a random conversation and it feels down to earth and not fluffed up. I'd also like to say RIP Yamcha as well he got whatever the opposite of a handjob is in every arc

  • @kakarrotcake6991

    @kakarrotcake6991

    Жыл бұрын

    *ss r🦍ped

  • @heartandmindovercome3214
    @heartandmindovercome3214 Жыл бұрын

    This couldn't be more accurate. And good job for giving props to Tien where it's due 👍

  • @moon4236
    @moon42362 жыл бұрын

    Friendly reminder that in the dbs manga Tien doesn't even eliminate anyone in the tournament, so Toei was actually kind to him in comparison.

  • @Lukmendes

    @Lukmendes

    2 жыл бұрын

    Gokuu also didn't eliminate anyone in ToP, manga version of it is far more rushed. Tien, I think he's a bit better on the manga compared to the anime, which's not a compliment, 'cause all he did was Kikoho Frost and get eliminated, but at the very least he did something lol.

  • @TheDangerNoodle

    @TheDangerNoodle

    2 жыл бұрын

    Tbf in the Manga, Toyotaro just had Kale knock out like 5 of the universes. The manga version was rushed hard by that guy.

  • @Alexander-the-Mediocre

    @Alexander-the-Mediocre

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Lukmendes But didn't his kikoho just make Forst laugh and call him weak? I think that just makes him look worst then him taking out some random scrub. Lol side note no hj for krillian in the super manga he was absolutely pointless in the ToP. Tien was then to show how outclasses humans so he had a purpose a very shitty one but at least he had one.....krillian on the other hand had no point.

  • @Lukmendes

    @Lukmendes

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Alexander-the-Mediocre Yeah, he just did a kikoho that did nothing to Frost and got eliminated in the manga. I do think that's an improvement, at least he's getting jobbed by a strong opponent instead of struggling against a weak one, and doesn't look like as much of a dumbass, and isn't the worst part of the manga version of it, 'cause Tien's episode from the anime is just, so bad lol. So yeah, it's not much of a compliment regardless, he's bad in bother versions. And yeah, Krillin was rather pointless too, he got eliminated so fast that Goku didn't even realize it until a few minutes afterwards lol.

  • @SuperSaiyanDCG

    @SuperSaiyanDCG

    Жыл бұрын

    @@TheDangerNoodle remember Toyotaro is just doing the art. And Toriyama is doing the writing

  • @smolnillaice
    @smolnillaice3 жыл бұрын

    and then Triclops shows up and decides, "I'm just gonna turn triangles into fucking squares!"

  • @TailsTheFox32

    @TailsTheFox32

    3 жыл бұрын

    Funny thing is that the blast is circular, making the entire thing even more ironic.

  • @trenthessing8064

    @trenthessing8064

    3 жыл бұрын

    Quack

  • @midnight_horizen8184

    @midnight_horizen8184

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@trenthessing8064 hello little duck.

  • @Lazzie_the_Psilocybe_Deity

    @Lazzie_the_Psilocybe_Deity

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@TailsTheFox32 “HOW DO ALL THESE SQUARES MAKE A CIRCLE?!!”

  • @AvidAnimator77

    @AvidAnimator77

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Lazzie_the_Psilocybe_Deity I just- no it’s fine, it’s fine…it doesn’t bother me, it doesn’t bother me…it bothers me, it bothers me a lot, AND THAT ONE’S STILL GREEN!!!

  • @Sephiga
    @Sephiga Жыл бұрын

    i come back to this video once a year justice for Tenshinhan

  • @son_of_the_heavymetal1142
    @son_of_the_heavymetal11423 ай бұрын

    Tien feels like "what if we gave someone the skillset of a MC but without the plot armor"

  • @AnekoFoxx
    @AnekoFoxx6 жыл бұрын

    “17 uses his vast powers gained as a park ranger to beat the crap out of Goku.” 🤣🤣🤣

  • @cringeboi697

    @cringeboi697

    5 жыл бұрын

    while tien was training and is still weak 😔

  • @sr.favopossodeixarvaziosim4595

    @sr.favopossodeixarvaziosim4595

    4 жыл бұрын

    He ranged the shit of that park

  • @---Mattia---
    @---Mattia---4 жыл бұрын

    Piccolo actually was probably the only one to be consistent with his power level

  • @garretbuschkamp6022

    @garretbuschkamp6022

    3 жыл бұрын

    Isn’t that because he’s toriama’s favorite or whatever?

  • @bladey_0_10

    @bladey_0_10

    3 жыл бұрын

    Till cell saga tho

  • @bladey_0_10

    @bladey_0_10

    3 жыл бұрын

    @FaZe Gohan Actually piccolo should have easily defeated those idiot henchmen and fought frieza final form toe to toe but according to Toei and Toriyama, everyone who is a non Saiyan gets shitted on so piccolo couldn't even stand up to a guy who was a 100 times weaker than him

  • @bladey_0_10

    @bladey_0_10

    3 жыл бұрын

    @FaZe Gohan Don't forget krillin because he too gets enough spotlight in super like when he stood up against ssb Goku and it was bs. The one who gets fully shitted on is Tien and this video provides every single point about it

  • @bladey_0_10

    @bladey_0_10

    3 жыл бұрын

    @FaZe Gohan Yamcha being made weaker and Roshi getting a huge power up is all because of us "Dragonball fans". Everyone marked Yamcha as a weakling the moment he died against the saibamen because majority of them started with z.Toriyama decided to go with it and made Yamcha into his tfs version.

  • @johnnylams3948
    @johnnylams39488 ай бұрын

    Mistreatment of Tien is like burning cash.

  • @RedTail1-1
    @RedTail1-17 ай бұрын

    Tien was supposed to be Goku's rival. Like his legit match. Then "Z" happens and people go crazy for Vegeta and want him to be the main guy.

  • @TheParappa

    @TheParappa

    6 ай бұрын

    Tenshinhan is one of my favourites but he was already done during the King Piccolo arc. Bringing a broken vessel for the mafuba like an idiot and then getting his ass kicked by Drum, who then gets one-shotted by Goku started his tragic downfall.

  • @RedTail1-1

    @RedTail1-1

    5 ай бұрын

    @@TheParappa He's still my favorite character regardless of what Toriyama and then/now Toyotarou did to him. What he did to 2nd form cell cemented him as the g.o.a.t in my personal opinion (my opinion not fact. no one get your panties in a twist)

  • @Lattidude
    @Lattidude2 жыл бұрын

    Gohan teaches Videl Ki control in a couple of days. Tien can't train his students to do the same. What the fuck

  • @goofy3517

    @goofy3517

    2 жыл бұрын

    How to be fair but there was already a martial artist and we don't know about the other people

  • @cj-zp1pw

    @cj-zp1pw

    2 жыл бұрын

    Gohan said that Videl was stronger than Mr Satan who was a Martial champion... Videl was built perfectly for the basics of ki.

  • @RoronoaZoro-ur6hr

    @RoronoaZoro-ur6hr

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@cj-zp1pw , Mr.Satan is a hack fraud though, and his only real win in DBZ was in the Buu Saga, so no I don’t see how Gohan was able to teach Videl everything about Ki in a few days, but Tien isn’t able to teach an entire dojo full of people how to use Ki perfectly.

  • @joedanville1240

    @joedanville1240

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr well goku learned kamehameha in literally 5 seconds after he was a trained martial artist, so it makes sense videl learned ki in a couple days

  • @RoronoaZoro-ur6hr

    @RoronoaZoro-ur6hr

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@joedanville1240 , Goku in DBZ onwards is discount Gods and Monsters Superman whereas Videl is just an ordinary female in DBZ, so I could see on why somebody like Goku or Superman could pull a kamehameha out of their own ass, but I don’t see somebody like Videl instantly learning everything Ki related in just a few days.

  • @fly672
    @fly6724 жыл бұрын

    Tien being weaker than Roshi and Krillin is just disrespectful, Roshi retired from martial arts and Krillin stopped training and got so weak that fucking bullets could hit him, Tien was training all the time but Roshi's "secret training" (probably masturbating 24/7) made him even stronger. Not to mention that they spend so much time establishing that "In Tournament of Power strategy will be important and you can't win with raw power alone" but in the end it came down to raw power and fighters who use "strategy" only took down a bunch of weaklings before getting knocked off.

  • @TheLikenessOfNormal

    @TheLikenessOfNormal

    3 жыл бұрын

    >Bullets can hurt him he's weak >Super literally has SSB Goku get shot in the back by a laser ring that almost kills him because he wasn't prepared Not knowing that you need your Ki up to block ranged weapon attacks is pretty lame.

  • @EwenVRC

    @EwenVRC

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@TheLikenessOfNormal the 1st thing we see goku do in dragon ball is get shot in the head and it doing nothing, you know before he knew what ki even was

  • @revolrz22

    @revolrz22

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@TheLikenessOfNormal This is an argument the fandom has constantly. In Goku's first appearance, he face tanks handgun bullets. I'm not going to try and analyze the caliber, because that'd be pointless. It would kill any other person. In later material, he can have his skin cut and penetrated, with the oft-cited excuse being that "you have to have your ki up to defend against attacks." Here's the problem: While Goku, in episode 1 of Dragonball, had his guard up... he didn't know what ki was. In fact, when the time came for him to learn about ki, it was shown that he wasn't able to manifest it at first. So, Goku's bulletproof nature *must* have been a biological feature of saiyan anatomy. This stuff that came later wherein he can be wounded by gunshots because his "ki was down" is just forgetful writing.

  • @aceclover758

    @aceclover758

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@revolrz22 Yea. SAyians naturally are stronger and more durable than humans without Ki.

  • @TheLikenessOfNormal

    @TheLikenessOfNormal

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@revolrz22 Well we know for a fact that toriyama didn't plan out his writing. But I do have a fair rebuttal to your point (in my humble opinion). I would say that Saiyans likely have the ability to innately use their ki, which we see when Goku is able to do things like perform the kamehameha after seeing it once. So I would say that the enhanced physical feats he's displaying would be demonstrating that he's using his ki to augment his physical abilities and thus his toughness. Since we know those are the 2 primary features of utilizing ki with your body in battle. So even though he doesn't know what it is doesn't necessarily mean he wasn't instinctively using it. And Vegeta had no idea what ki was either until he realized it was just the earthling term for the power that most higher beings like he saiyans innately used. Like how in Yu Yu Hakusho you find out why Yusuke and Kuwabara hit so hard is because they innately put their spirit power into their strikes.

  • @RedForeman
    @RedForeman10 ай бұрын

    They didn’t give him Kaioken nor did they give him Roshi 100% max form . He’s gotten nothing I’m surprised they even remember he has 4 arms

  • @yimmygomez7173
    @yimmygomez71732 жыл бұрын

    God man, you summarized everything I thought about DBS for years, in a matter of minutes

  • @SinHurr
    @SinHurr6 жыл бұрын

    "He can see every donut." 10/10, worth the time.

  • @davidhall7644

    @davidhall7644

    6 жыл бұрын

    SinHurr dont you mean 5/7?

  • @ancientworld9922

    @ancientworld9922

    6 жыл бұрын

    this video is wrong First tien was weaker than kid goku he is straight lying kikoho doesn't work that way Kiai technique can only be used to block much weaker attacks He learned the kamehameha only he can't copy all moves krillin and goku did the kamehameha on their first try Tien is 5-6 older than krillin when he was introduced he had way more intense training Krillin was constantly closing the gap with tien throughout original dragon ball and had only a 3% difference in power in saiyan saga Watch original dragon ball Dbz kai (not dbz) from saiyan to cell saga oh yeah what about all those fillers toei kept giving tien in db and dbz just to make him look good in EVERY fight ,krillin gets non .... Tien trained with only 1 goal to surpass or maybe prepare for a new threat all of which he dropped in cell saga he said that himself he now has a job Toriyama said only piccolo vegeta and goku train all the time he doesn't train all the time

  • @scruffles3838
    @scruffles38386 жыл бұрын

    Tfw you realize that shitty writing is actually quite depressing because it shows us the possiblity of good things and then rips it out and destroys it for no real reason

  • @asepsisaficionado7376

    @asepsisaficionado7376

    6 жыл бұрын

    Dajal The term for those villains is "Hubris", referring to pride before the fall. Historically it had been used in Greek legends to display the folly of man, but now it's used by every retarded anime writer to give the same personality to their important characters and artificially extend a fight. It's one thing if just the villains are doing it, but you know it's a problem when all the heroes are too (not to mention it's an intrinsic part of the Saiyan race).

  • @Dragonage2ftw

    @Dragonage2ftw

    6 жыл бұрын

    >Universe 6 arc. >Pointless. Pick one.

  • @voltekka47

    @voltekka47

    6 жыл бұрын

    Dajal To be fair, in Zamasu's case, I could see him hating mortals enough to want to kill them with his own hands and making them suffer, rather than just doing it the easy way and either wishing for them to be killed or just not holding back. I don't think that was ever clarified, though.

  • @darkice60000

    @darkice60000

    6 жыл бұрын

    its not unbelievable for him to have that thought proccess of "i want to do it with my own hands" but it becomes ridiculous when he basically makes the task impossible for himself by being such a huge moron. he could sterilize the entire earth in a day tops but he spends his time walking through exploding buildings and playing around with a clearly weaker trunks and a bunch of humans he can sense drinks tea at some abandon resort out in the open so his enemies can make pot shots at him goku, trunks and vegeta lose to him like 3 times in a row and lets them escape every time, lets fuckin bulma distract him instead of obliterating her immediately and then he'll outright abandon his best attacks just to look cool i guess, whatever happened to that space-time shadow clone thing he had goin? sure would have been useful during the later half of the third round. too bad he traded it for a knockoff susanoo.

  • @Anonymous-x1x

    @Anonymous-x1x

    6 жыл бұрын

    scruffles 383 That moment when you realize fans could have written better DB Super episodes. DB is circling the drain.

  • @FirstLast-wk3kc
    @FirstLast-wk3kc Жыл бұрын

    I am watching original db series, the first one. And oh my fkicg god Tien is so huge of a character... The Mafuba and etc.... He was so dramatic and great, i really love him more than anyone...

  • @InfernosReaper

    @InfernosReaper

    12 күн бұрын

    Yeah, he was the first one to do the Evil Containment Wave without dying. Even Roshi and his master couldn't pull that off, plus his own arsenal of techniques. He was a beast. The only reason he even lost to Goku in the rematch was Goku's training regiment was better. From Z on, he was utterly worthless except to delay Cell, which did no good.

  • @WertySensei
    @WertySensei Жыл бұрын

    "Vast powers gained by being a park ranger." Ultra Instinct Smokey the Bear.

  • @clawedleopard6630
    @clawedleopard66303 жыл бұрын

    I think team four star summed this up perfectly in dbza Kai when he fought cell. “This is the last cool thing I will ever do, there is no joke.”

  • @MinscFromBaldursGate92

    @MinscFromBaldursGate92

    3 жыл бұрын

    ''Respect.''

  • @chrisprusinowski5287

    @chrisprusinowski5287

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@MinscFromBaldursGate92 He showed up against Buu once, but his Kihoho didn't do shit.

  • @alpha1k.

    @alpha1k.

    2 жыл бұрын

    and it had no effect, he did it for 4 hours supposedly and the androids just stayed and watched

  • @desadograisedrobot515

    @desadograisedrobot515

    2 жыл бұрын

    The last "cool" thing he did was survive Buu's Humanity extinction blasts.

  • @alpha1k.

    @alpha1k.

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@desadograisedrobot515 that was a low level attack even choutsu dodged it

  • @avalon629h
    @avalon629h6 жыл бұрын

    One does not simply apply logic to the Dragonball universe

  • @espada7997

    @espada7997

    6 жыл бұрын

    avalon629h thank you this is exactly what I was thinking

  • @bw8450

    @bw8450

    6 жыл бұрын

    Jup i already really disliked the idea of DBS, but i really lost all respect for the series after the Magic baby birth.

  • @lockonstratos7787

    @lockonstratos7787

    6 жыл бұрын

    avalon629h ya bc when you do you relised how much bs is in super

  • @zaramaenigma8432

    @zaramaenigma8432

    6 жыл бұрын

    avalon629h To the DBS multiverse*

  • @Gammalification

    @Gammalification

    6 жыл бұрын

    To be a series without logic, Tien consistently sucks

  • @brendanthebard
    @brendanthebard Жыл бұрын

    Listening to this at .25 speed is the funniest shit man. Sounds like a friend drunk out of his mind ranting about anime before they pass out

  • @bobabola3399

    @bobabola3399

    Жыл бұрын

    Lmao i put it on .5 an it sounds funnier

  • @christiangalaz482
    @christiangalaz4823 ай бұрын

    Remember when Tien was supposed to be the strongest human with mutant powers and was a prodigy in ki techniques. Good times, sad that he isn't Goku's midget sidekick.

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