"It comes as a great shock around the age of 5, or 6, or 7, to discover that the flag to which you have pledged allegiance, along with everybody else, has not pledged allegiance to you. It comes as a great shock to discover that Gary Cooper killing off the Indians, when you were rooting for Gary Cooper, that the Indians were you. It comes as a great shock to discover that the country which is your birthplace and to which you owe your life and your identity, has not, in its whole system of reality, evovled any place for you." Brilliantly said.

@jamiehorn2078

3 жыл бұрын

Except for the fact that's propaganda, the "chosen ones" enslaved Africans, owned every slave ship and African Americans have THEIR Surnames and NOT White European Surnames (who were also enslaved.) Your version of history is propaganda and racist, towards the people who were BLAMED and NOT the ones who committed the crimes. Nothing in here is "hate speech" and it goes against KZread guidelines, to try and censor or remove this comment.

@ScottKuechenmeister

Жыл бұрын

what have we done to these wonderful people?

@JustTazzzzzz

5 ай бұрын

@@jamiehorn2078can you elaborate?

@lynnethemomandwidow6063

4 ай бұрын

Why is Mr. Buckley is so arrogant against black people?

Here's the difference. Buckley will be remembered, if at all, as a commentator, just a cut above Rush Limbaugh. Baldwin will be remembered as one of the most important writers of the 20th century. Buckley will be remembered for trying to sound smart. Baldwin's work will be remembered for being great. This "debate" proves that, as does the one with Chomsky. Baldwin speaks with heart because he is called to do so for humanity. Buckley merely attempts to say something smart for his own image.

James Baldwin gave one of the greatest speeches I have EVER heard, I hung on his every word. It almost seemed like William F. Buckley was set up because this wasn't even close. That generation produced some of the most brilliant black speakers in U.S. history.

Absolutely NOTHING but admiration and respect for this intelligent King. We love you James.

One of the most poignant and eloquent speeches I’ve ever heard.

@sebastianbolt6905

2 жыл бұрын

Me too

@Ubermensch201

Жыл бұрын

It's a debate not a speech but yes I agree

james baldwin literally brings me to tears. love him so much.

Astounding. His eloquence, charisma, and overall brilliance illumine the environ like sustained lightening. Such a beautiful genius. Thanks for posting!

Literally the greatest debate performance I’ve ever seen.

@nikita-dh5je

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, from James Baldwin, I agree. WFB will do down as one of the worst people of all time IMO.

@Bigfrank88

4 жыл бұрын

nikita for sure, wasn’t referring to WFB he’s a clown

I read 'Notes of a Native Son' when I was about 16. Baldwin was a great man. He spoke truth to power.

@rhondamcknight2596

Жыл бұрын

This is what DeSantis fears

I've heard of Baldwin in passing many times in my life but never had a chance 2 listen to him with undivided attention. In just 10 minutes he sums up an enormous amount of history on racism & discrimination -especially on the nature of reality. He truly has the perception of even the most astute psychologist & a heart worthy of humanity. It's interesting 2 see Buckley at the 5.51 mark..either he's tired or unwilling 2 grant Baldwin his due...but I'll have to watch the whole video to see if true.

Brilliance is a beautiful thing.

William F. Buckley may have been sharp but he's in over his head when James Baldwin shows up.

@satori-in-life

4 жыл бұрын

Buckley was intelligent but Baldwin held the moral high ground in this debate and what he said certainly reflected that.

@kungfufreak360

4 жыл бұрын

Buckley was never sharp

@eliasnasser1160

3 жыл бұрын

@@kungfufreak360 it seems that much about Buckley was confected

@ChildElectronics

3 жыл бұрын

He was in the middle of changing his views on race at the time, and by the late 60s he was the first Republican politician to support policies such as affirmative action in his bid for New York mayor.

@roughhabit9085

3 жыл бұрын

ChildElectronics . I think Buckley was the most outspoken critic of affirmative action I have ever encountered. The Baldwin camp importuned Buckley to participate and he accepted even though his agent told him not to . It amuses me the comments deriding Buckley’s performance. a) because it was a fucking debate and he had to stick to the motion he was given! And b) because both of these men were not just a little bit more literate than people of today, but way more literate and far beyond the scope of your criticisms.

The great thinkers/writers are always subversive: they challenge the ideology of the status quo. Mr. J. Baldwin was such a thinker.

Oh man this Baldwin.... just breathtaking. What an orator.

You can't defeat truths, Powerful edification.

@l.a.maddness2955

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah but I guarantee here in the 🇺🇸 American experiment/experience they will damn sure try to defeat the TRUTH that is🎯!!! !🇺🇸👌🏿

Thank you so much for posting the address of the full debate. I was unaware that it occurred until I read Baldwin's autobiography. Thanks again, great stuff.

this is not about comparing tragedies, or diminishing the suffering of others through comparison. The focus should be how they occur and what allows this large-scale violence to go on unchallenged (and in fact perpetuated) by the state

You can see the cognitive dissonance at work in W. Buckley's facial expressions towards hearing Baldwin's words of truth/reality, NOT conjecture......

@ndeamonk24

8 жыл бұрын

great call, yo!! So true

@mouseypublishings

5 жыл бұрын

Its a great thing we dont live in those times today. Today EVERY man is able to make something of them selves as long as they work hard. No matter what color u r. Black ppl today do not face the same problems they faced back then.

@galesayers

5 жыл бұрын

Mousey publishing's. Do you watch the news? Black men fear, daily, about getting shot by the police. Even in our own homes where no crime is being committed. We have the cops called on us while we go about our daily lives, at the library, sitting in our cars, at a coffee shop, going into our own apartment buildings. The private prison industry thrives on the lives of unfairly convicted or sentenced Black men. Institutionalized racism runs through every sector of American business and also the military. Yes, there's been growth since Baldwin's time, but that growth can be measured accurately only in inches, not feet or yards.

@thatooliphant3282

5 жыл бұрын

@@mouseypublishings I beg to differ, oppression still exists, inequality still exists, the people of colour still face the same problem now which were faced then. Racism is still the order of the day. People have been made the slaves of economy. A black man is still not liberated. I mean not just in America but the world at large.

@mbp7060

5 жыл бұрын

I'm not all that sure he was presenting a rebuttal to James Baldwin's speech. I think WFB knew he couldn't follow that. Who could? All WFB did in that situation was to echo what he knew white men back then thought and what they said without completely sounding as if that was his own way of thinking. Not a lot has changed.

Powerful.

I must say that I always enjoy reading or listening to William F. Buckley, but in this clip, the most articulate man in the room is James Baldwin, and I'd have sided with him in this discussion.

Why when you follow the link for the full program it is not found? I find it highly offensive that this speech/debate is catogerized as "Comedy".

@mbp7060

5 жыл бұрын

@@cbcoreybrown Thank you. James Baldwin gave one of the best speeches I've ever heard.

@Bronco46tube

5 жыл бұрын

Can we all stop using the word offensive. Why can't you just say you don't like it and why, or anything in that vein. Being offended is a personal experience. And why should anyone care if you are offended. I DON"T! But, that being said. I do agree with about the inability to get what they promised here. And I don't like it!

@noslackzonewdr.seavencadoc2994

4 жыл бұрын

WOW!!!!

@mbp7060

4 жыл бұрын

@Marcos 989 What in the hell are you talking about, I never addressed you. Now liking a speech is a problem? What's wrong with you?

@carlaeskelsen

2 жыл бұрын

It was, in fact, (in spite of the oddly self-important comment below) absolutely offensive that this articulate and sensitive speech was categorized as comedy.

I am a white immigrant from Europe. Living in America for 60+ years has intensified my sense of the awesome responsibility oh humanity to understand who we really are!

I love James Baldwin, one of if not my favorite human being ever

baldwin is pure genius!!!!!!

Integrity in its purest form!

How come I am just hearing about this man?

JAMES BALDWIN, MY SUPERHERO!!!!!!!

@davidcaspian Chomsky didn't rate Buckley at all. Just watch the related video on the right, where he talks on Buckley's passing: "He was considered, not by me, to be witty, articulate and knowledgeable." He may as well have said, he was boorish, inarticulate, and ignorant.

He was also a gay man, he was catching hell from all angles.

@joeyfitz9

4 жыл бұрын

Yep.That's courage.

@l.a.maddness2955

3 жыл бұрын

Think about it him being a gay man okay that can be hidden very well him being a black man like it or not is extremely worse!!!!🇺🇸 SMFH so I really would like to know your point

Full version link is dead.

Every time I come across this all I can say is wow

I wish more people would see and listen to this full debate between James Baldwin and the racist, Right Wing, conservative William F Buckley.

is there any more to the vid?

Please post the rest of this presentation. I beg you! IF you have access to it.....

why is this speech categorized as comedy??

@walterbrown3775

4 жыл бұрын

Because of an idiot's mind in America made it that way .but you an I know the truth....

@zadig1 yes he left the U.S, but i refer u to an earlier point i made: "He also went back to the U.S to join the civil rights movement, so your implication that he chose flight over fight is also misleading"

🔥💯🔥 still holds Truth in 2020 🔥💯🔥

A book well worth reading "Slavery by Another Name: The Re-Enslavement of Black Americans from the Civil War to World War" by Douglas Blackmon Those arrested for "vagrancy" and sent to work in mines were predominately black though some were of varying ethnicity. James Baldwin knows well of what he speaks. thank you for posting.

Wow. Thank you so much for this video.

beautiful but where's the rest?

This is not “comedy” but the truth. WTF, KZread?

infinitely intelligent. I wish our youth would watch this instead if world star hip hop!

Tough one. It would really depend on the topic. For this debate, I would say Baldwin, because he is a greater authority on race than Buckley because WFB could not have understood the concept of race in America, simply because he is not black. I am white, but only a black person can understand what it means to be black. This is the advantage that Baldwin brings to the debate, personal subjective experience.

@TaskForceSixTwoSix ..and also, ultimately, what are you insinuating?

Where is Buckley's part?! Fairly sure I've seen it up here.... Thanks for this!

I know you wrote your comment sometime ago, but no matter how long ago it was written, it still remains-a great comment.

A reasoned, informed, respectful debate. If only everyone tried to raise the level of our public discourse met this level, we might learn to live as Americans, not red and blue states.

Berkley link no longer valid.

@fctchk You've said what needs to be said about Buckley very well. Buckley wil be seen by history to have been on the wrong side of pretty much every important issue of his times.

@ Communism: I loved your point. I am black and my parents raised not to be prejudice and to forgive people who are ignorant. We are a big part of the American History which will never be forgotten.We are created equal as far as who we what to be in life regardless of what our families and four fathers endured through slavery. But with identifying the problem, we should be able to move on in life. Be strong and strive for success. We are truly a strong race after what we have been through.

So, we have to go somewhere else to get half the story?

Buckley looks crazy at 5:15. He knew he had already lost the debate.

i love James Baldwin

back in the day when there USED to be intelligent dialogue & commentary

I still get chills to my bones with two simple, but nuanced words... "cheap labor".

Superb and still awesomely relevant

Smart Brother just simply keeping it real

@paleocon23 That's the title of the debate. Not misleading in the least. That's like saying if it were the title of a movie, it would be misleading for not including the entire film.

How could you possibly label the category of this video "Comedy"? It seems like a rather serious affair.

The updated link to the full debate is www.lib.berkeley.edu/video/catalog/i9LpXpmPEeOaQoD510pG4A/ikPjkqes6BG14qVCj7jwpg/1535669635

@TaskForceSixTwoSix I would say the mayans were a pretty advanced civilization. and is Egypt not in Africa?

Excellent

Baldwin sounds like he lives in England. He woke 100 too

@marvinydj

5 жыл бұрын

Sam Devine he sounds English lol

@nickklein4774

5 жыл бұрын

He woke 100 too? Is that supposed to be a sentence?

@caramelspice7244

4 жыл бұрын

@@nickklein4774 😆😆😆😭

I was only refuting your point about Chomsky's regard for Buckley, since I'd seen the video contradicting it. Just watched the whole debate. Buckley is very intelligent, erudite - and a complete prick. His slouching disinterest when others had the floor, plus his peacock-like posturing when speaking, screamed of arrogance. When he said, ...you share with me the feeling of compassion and the feeling of outrage that this kind of thing should have happened," the insincerity was palpable.

Baldwin is Brilliant!!!

If you don't understand what he is saying thin you are the problem its just that simple

Deep!!!!

Sounds more like James Baldwin vs James Baldwin to me...LoL...Totally misleading title.

I thought this was Michael Winslow from the Police Academy series for a second.

Speak true to power Mr Baldwin

Here is the full debate with a new link: kzread.info/dash/bejne/oXqZ0bVtYdvLZ9o.html

@TemplarLeonem They were systematically prevented from assimilation by their so called masters of the day.

@zadig1 "I noticed that you used the phrase "your country"" i'm not american, im british and my point still stands.

Where are the Teleprompters?

@deanharvey7838

5 жыл бұрын

No

@TaskForceSixTwoSix Did you happen to read my review of James Baldwin on this thread? What I wrote was far from being PC. My reply to you also wasn't PC. It was indisputable fact. I was just wondering why you posted a comment about IQ here. How is it relevant to any discussion of the video? In my opinion it comes across as petulent and unnecesary.

✊🏾

-what a fascinating narrative; his prose on the modern man is elating, a shame to waste his beautiful words on such a despicable untold story. Look who he is speaking to... that room is out-of-this-world, or at least one very far apart from our own.

lets get this debate on WBAI radio. occupy radio.

Happy Birthday Jimmy B.!!!! I heart you so.....

Nothing like some good old white denial! Lol

Now realizing that the Indians were you ! Wake up my people

Relevant in 2024 ❤

I can't decide whether I should start by respond to your racism (ascribing behaviours/qualities to all members of a race simply because of their membership of said race - "you people (whites collectively)") or your straw man argument that I cherry-pick citations of academic sources, though I did not cite or refer to any source at all. I did refer to the "bell curve", not "The Bell Curve" wherein a set of data is distributed about the mean in that characteristic bell shape :)

from 7:45 is the greatest thing ever

well, we all fail in comparison to someone who is as moral and forthright as yourself. The intelligence, honor, dignity, and valor that it must take to spout racial invective, anonymously. You are a shining beacon of humanity, and truly the best of the best. Online racists are the moral center of this great nation. It is a well proven fact that a priori bigotry is linked to the best of human qualities.

See the link. He says the remainder can be found by clicking on the link. Buckley accuses him of feigning a British accent exclusively for this occasion. I am going to have to disagree with Buckley. Baldwin drops his 'r's in interviews as well. I wonder if Buckley could have been wrong in saying that; that's a bold accusation.

@hwgray

3 жыл бұрын

All black people drops their r's, except sometimes when we're talking to white people who believe that r-dropping is a sign of ignorance.

@ostrich67

Жыл бұрын

It's ironic that they both speak the artificial, affected Mid-Atlantic accent.

Yeahhh that's enough. Who wants to listen to him going on and on? Frankly ten minutes was too long. 🤦

This is damn and annoying . why do u posted it , if u don't want people to see and hear the whole debate..?

And? But what?

Lovely

@TaskForceSixTwoSix "Despite the flynn effect, the differences between various ethnic groups and IQ have remained almost exactly the same over several decades" The IQ score discrepancies don't have anything to do with the Flynn effect. Do you even know that the Flynn effect is? If you would read and understand I needn't repeat that the IQ discrepancies are a reflection of the continuing socio-economic discrepancies and the cultural biases inherent within psychometric testing.

@godzgag Do you believe that Baldwin lost the broader point of the debate, that the government can't solve all the problems of african americans( If you saw the full debate, I believe that Buckley called people who believed these people charlatans)

@BOZ11 Very melodramatic, "you're no patriot!" you said. I think I struck a nerve when I asked what it would take for you renounce your citizenship. I noticed that you used the phrase "your country" when you asked whether I would goose step around with a bunch of facists, and in doing so you accidentally answered my questoin. You already have, metaphorically of course. It's interesting that to you a good example of a "real" patriot is an expatriot.

Brilliant man

@TaskForceSixTwoSix in order for the genes to cause an IQ gap there would have to be a reason. genes are biological manufacturers for "necessary" adaptation, what would've been the need for European ancestral genes to develop this elevated "ceiling" of intelligence?

INCOMPLETE.

The general tend, with few exceptions, seems to show that ethnic groups needed higher intelligence levels in order to survive and thrive in colder climates. They'd need to build more complex structures, more elaborate clothing, advanced food gathering skills, etc.

well you got 8 thumbs up, so you made some people happy

james baldwin was an intelligent sensitive soul and a man who spoke from his heart. Buckley was a small-minded neo-liberal conservative like all too many others we see out here these days who are content to believe economic models and uni-dimensional, created-in-a-vacuum free market principles trump societal realities and on many levels, humanity.

Rest in peace god bless William f Buckley jr