This is proof that Arthas and Jaina were the perfect match. Together they would have purged Stratholme faster XD

@tiattahiscupcakecandykatan2453

4 жыл бұрын

No Arthas wanted to be king, She wanted turn out just like her Father did, she even idolized her father's bigotry. The Sun Reaver message to Jaina, "I can't breathe "

@nerzhuln6

4 жыл бұрын

exactly my thoughts..... a frozen love...

@alexvoss5729

4 жыл бұрын

@@tiattahiscupcakecandykatan2453 Arthas wanted to protect his people, and was unable to do so in the plagues case. Since he can no longer protect his people, he seeks vengeance for what was done to them. In his quest for vengeance it took complete control over him leading him to lose portion of his soul to the blade, and once he had his vengeance he was left empty. Wandering around northrend he went more mad and hallow listening to whispers from the blade. Him killing his father was less for him to be king, and more to help lay waste for his new master.

@tiattahiscupcakecandykatan2453

4 жыл бұрын

@@alexvoss5729 no want to king, it true he want to protect his people, but when he pick up frostmoure his Empathy died and his ambition for power and greed for dominance to be king grew sure he want to save his people but he had feelings inside to be king was buried inside of all along as you play Arthas in Wacraft 3 you notice it straight away

@tiattahiscupcakecandykatan2453

4 жыл бұрын

Jaina isn't Arthas, she is much like her bigot father she is an admiral of the Kirn tor like her father wanted her to be, if you noticed even before Warcraft 3 she had her own resentment towards the Horde because of hordes in the past, when Mediveh ask her to work with Thrall she was shocked and hesitated.

Jaina: "This entire city must be purged!" Arthas: "I'm sorry Jaina, I can't watch you do this."

@squirlking2

Жыл бұрын

That's not the order. The order is lock the city down no one leaves. Arrest everyone. Find the bell at all costs. Interrogate aeveryonr after.

@patrickbuckley7259

Жыл бұрын

Honestly... Arthas's purge was actually less questionable. It's where that decision took him that wasn't so good. Jaina however had a support network that kept her from going off the deep end.

@demondesires865

7 ай бұрын

I agree Arthas had literally a split second decision to make there was no time for thinking only action....Its just at the time he was the only one who had the thought of killing people to save the many. VS Jaina she did it cause of a small handful of elves vs the entire lot had helped make a bomb. Her actions lead to killing countless innocents who had thought of Dalaran their home for decades and then stand her ground when confronted by the literal leader of her faction. @@patrickbuckley7259

@jedir-mw7ik

7 ай бұрын

⁠@@patrickbuckley7259Arthas = scientifically reasonable for public hygiene. Jaina = racist

@hidefreek6905

5 ай бұрын

@@patrickbuckley7259 Arthas' purge was the last resort because the Mages and Silver Hand's paladins were so bad at their job. If the Silver Hand and the mage had worked harder, the plague might not spread that badly. Because it was Arthas' betrayal that truly brought the destruction to countless lives. Then, Jaina and Vereesa case... Well, we knew both were mad at the Horde and sought to eradicate them. The problem was the majority of Sunreaver wasn't the Horde yet and they were the group of chill mages who lived peacefully for many generations. Simply received fel-magic because they had no choice or died a horrible death. Then, if we blame their survival choice...Also, blame Rhonin because he was too late to find the cure method. (The Blood Elf was also not a full-fledged Horde but a neutral party who allied with the Horde because it was convenient for them. When they helped Sylvannas against the Scourge and found out the Horde under the Thrall was a nice place to have diplomats compared to the Alliance racism during the Dark Day...Thank Garithos) *The one who stole the Bell that caused the misunderstanding was the non-Sunreaver Blood Elf who simply used the Sunreaver teleportation portal... While the Sunreavers who live in Dalaran knew nothing about this. **Varian was stupid, he originally thought that banishing the Sunreaver would secure the safety of the Alliance, and then temporarily stop the plan because the Blood Elf would change sides. (Then, Jaina did nothing wrong because it was his original plan) Jaina is the same as her father, a very racist and narrow-sighted person.

*Jaina at Stratholme*: I can't watch you do this Arthas. *Jaina at Dalaran*: Hippity Hoppity, Get the Fuck Off My Property!

@joezar33

5 ай бұрын

Over the top , at a place that supposedly neutral grounds with High Elf Alliance..

Jaina: "Glad you could make it, Councillors." Council of Six: "Watch your tone with us, girl. You may be Kirin Tor's new leader, but we're still your superiors as your elders." Jaina: "As if I could forget. Listen, Councillors, there's something about blood elves you should know." Jaina: "Oh no, we're too late. The blood elves have already spread across the city. They may look fine now, but it's only a matter of time before they betray us to the Horde." Council of Six: "What!?" Jaina: "The entire blood elves must be purged from this city!" Council of Six: "How can you even consider that!? There's got to be some other way!" Jaina: "Damn it, Councillors! As your leader I order you to purge the blood elves!" Council of Six: "You are not our better yet, girl! Nor would we obey that command even if you were!" Jaina: "Then I must consider this as an act of treason." Council of Six: "TREASON!? Have you lost your mind, Lady Proudmoore!?" Jaina: "Have I? Councillors, but my right as the leader of Kirin Tor, I hereby relieve you of your command and suspend your mages from service." Vereesa: "Jaina, you can't just...!" Jaina: "It's done! Those of you who have the will to save Dalaran, follow me! The rest of you, get out of my sight!" Council of Six: "You've just crossed a terrible threshold, Lady Proudmoore." Jaina: "Vereesa...." Vereesa: "Alright, Jaina. My Silver Covenant will help you do this."

@skylerthompson8652

Жыл бұрын

That's the sad part, for all of Vereesa's issues with the blood elves she would never murder her own kin. If anything what should of happened was Jaina killed some silver covenant members by mistake and Vereesa smacks her out of it.

@victuz

Жыл бұрын

Golden comment.

Damn she purges dalaran and then goes "I have no quarell with you" 🤣

@Athelarius

2 жыл бұрын

Tis only a purge! Nothing serious.

@richardshiflett5181

Жыл бұрын

Jaina wasn't wrong. All Blood Elves deserve to be wiped out

@joezar33

5 ай бұрын

I'm literally wondering why ? The Alliance High Elves are chilling in Dalaran .. they most have been hell of confused lol

4:57 Everyone gangsta around Jaina until they get hit for 85 *MILLION* damage

@chrissy93x

4 жыл бұрын

bruh imagine having her DMG on a raid boss lol

@BladedAngel

4 жыл бұрын

NON-CRITS TOO!! She must be stacked!

@worlddargons

4 жыл бұрын

That was just one water elemental, she can have two of them and cast her self x_x i can see why no one stopped that massacre.

@FriendofFantasy

3 жыл бұрын

I remember in BFA, my brother and I were freeing the Troll Princess from Stormwind. Jaina showed up and attacked us. I stood back, but my brother rushed forward and immediately died. I was just like "What did you expect to happen?"

@archdruidbookwalter951

3 жыл бұрын

TWENTY-EIGHT STAB WOUNDS

Jaina and Sylvanas, two people greatly affected by Arthas, and seemed to have grown much like him for it.

@finns935

2 жыл бұрын

Ahahahha

@aloysiusprasetyo3737

2 жыл бұрын

Well if Jaina helped in Stratholme followed Arthas to Northern he probably didn't become dead knight

@atcera8714

2 жыл бұрын

@@aloysiusprasetyo3737 nah it would've happened, they were all predetermined much like how it's a story in the game. It's just that the jailor and Sylvanus became self-aware and looked past the fourth wall

@annamcrlar2442

Жыл бұрын

THIS IS WHAT I THOUGHT OF ALL THE THINGS! ugh i hate the writing team because of this!

@joemart6887

8 ай бұрын

Hatred only spreads more hatred. It applies to everything in life. It's up to you to decide who you are based on the events that have happened to you. You always have a choice.

Um... Jaina kinda has things wrong about Kael'thas. Kael'thas was a member of the Council of Six who left his position after hearing of Arthas' attack. After a series of suicide missions by Othmar Garithos, he and the other Blood Elves were imprisoned in the Violet Hold, betrayed by the Kirin Tor themselves, and escaped wit the help of Vashj and the naga.

@irethcoisss

4 жыл бұрын

There you said it!

@TheDawnCrusader

4 жыл бұрын

Kael'thas did nothing wrong... Apart from the KJ part but meh not important

@santiagocampanupton9344

4 жыл бұрын

Lord Garithos did nothing wrong

@felixcalino

4 жыл бұрын

Santiago Campan Upton damn that racist

@irethcoisss

4 жыл бұрын

@@santiagocampanupton9344 I spit on Garithos' grave

This is why Lor'themar Theron is an awesome character and great leader within the horde, and this is coming from someone who mains an Orc in-game. A true Blood Elf.

@silverspear21

3 жыл бұрын

He showed his hypocrisy. He helped Garrosh steal the bell and in turn acts like he is innocent and did nothing wrong when he is caught?

@agnosticnixie

3 жыл бұрын

@@silverspear21 Aethas Sunreaver was made aware of the theft after it happened and Rhonin was the person who basically vouched for a man who turned out to be a Warsong spy, Lor'themar had literally fuck all to do with the bell and was in talks with Varian to leave the horde.

@Athelarius

2 жыл бұрын

Truly a great leader for the Blood Elves, great VA and great design. Wish we could see more of him in the spotlight over the years.

@richardshiflett5181

Жыл бұрын

He's a hypocrite and a pos

Lorthemars voice acting is so good u can hear the emotions in his voice 😭👏

@budakbaongsiah

3 жыл бұрын

Gideon Emery.

@Athelarius

2 жыл бұрын

Even to this day, still love Lor’thermar’s voice, still wish Blizzard would give him more spotlight as Blood Eves leadership.

@richardshiflett5181

Жыл бұрын

He's a loser.

Arthas murdered 90 percent of High Elves. Jaina murders at least 5 percent of elven survivors

@cameronmcewen9666

4 жыл бұрын

What’s the difference between Jaina and her old boyfriend now?

@SpammytheHedgehog

4 жыл бұрын

@@cameronmcewen9666 Jaina: Isn't it obvious? I serve the Alliance.

@cameronmcewen9666

4 жыл бұрын

Wyndell Lee So did Arthas.

@lucianogabriel1115

4 жыл бұрын

@@SpammytheHedgehog That reference to Sylvannas was just gold 👌

@Lakillika

4 жыл бұрын

@@cameronmcewen9666 They both betrayed their fathers as well.

He yeeted that poor bench xD

@gymonstarfunkle136

3 жыл бұрын

Such is the tragedy of war.

@rickywyness5230

3 жыл бұрын

Press F to pay respects

@laevateintechnology5634

6 ай бұрын

Lor'themar: "Jaina has gone way to far, that human WITCH " (throws the Bench in the water fountain) 😂😂😂

"Oh no we're too late. These people have all been aligned with the Horde. They may look fine now but it's just a matter of time before they turn Dalaran's resources into the Horde What? This entire Blood Elves must be purged How can you even consider that there's got to be some other way! Damn it, Varian! As the leader of the Kirin Tor I order you to purge this city! You are not my queen, girl! Nor would I obey that command even if you were! Then how I run the Kirin Tor is none of your business. Business? Have you lost your mind, Jaina? Don't get soft on me Varian You just crossed a terrible threshold, Jaina. Modera? I'm sorry, Jaina. I can't watch you do this...

@fluximperium

4 жыл бұрын

Gold

@liamwilson7549

3 жыл бұрын

FluxImperium kzread.info/dash/bejne/hIqFyaR-j9qspaQ.html even better 😂👌👏

@Septicaemic

3 жыл бұрын

It's treason then

@lilfur

3 жыл бұрын

Legend.

@IceManGav1

3 жыл бұрын

Perfect recreation! Almost gave me chilla

No wonder the Blood Elves wanted revenge on Jaina in Battle for Azeroth.

@chrissy93x

4 жыл бұрын

now it actually makes sense...

@leykosminotauros

4 жыл бұрын

After they betrayed her and broke the neutrality by stealing the bell for Garrosh..

@inmyflopera729

4 жыл бұрын

@@leykosminotauros No excuse for murder and what she did to expel them. Even they don't want anything to do with Garrosh's plans.

@leykosminotauros

4 жыл бұрын

@@inmyflopera729 she's not excused to murder but Sylvanas loyalists feel harassed when you tell them they have issues to adore her or hordies making fun of night elves... Yeah it's nice to make things appear always the way they suit you

@inmyflopera729

4 жыл бұрын

@@leykosminotauros Yeah, she's not excused to murder. And that's the exact reason why blood elves hate her. Even in the cinematic, they state that reason. They probably didn't even want to steal the bell but she still went and performed an impromptu expulsion from Dalaran without trying to discuss anything. And I don't get how what you said has anything to do with what we're talking about.

Congratulations Jaina, you just granted the Horde one of (if not the) the best Arcane support on Azeroth.

@insertname9736

Жыл бұрын

Please, the Horde did much worse to the belves. But ofc they forgot about that ;)

@patrickbuckley7259

Жыл бұрын

​@@insertname9736 What? Are you talking about the Scourge? Cause that was Arthas... Unless you meant the NELF's...

@insertname9736

Жыл бұрын

@patrickbuckley7259 No, the orcs and the trolls (and to some extent the Forsaken).

@honestlordcommissarbrighte7921

Жыл бұрын

​@@insertname9736 One, the Darkspear were not involved in the Second War. Two, the elves hid in their forests while humanity fought tooth and nail and even then Doomhammer directed his forces away from Quelthalas for a direct siege of Lordaerom instead meanwhile Jaina went on to wipe out a bunch of Sunreavers of which some were likely innocent.

@insertname9736

Жыл бұрын

@honestlordcommissarbrighte7921 The Darkspear didn't attack them, but the Amani, who were in the old Horde, were. The humans in Storwind have nothing to do with elves in the Second and Third War. The trolls are ok because they are not the same trolls, but all humans are bad because Garithos? That's bullshit thinking. By this logic, the humans of Lordaeron are at fault. Which is funny considering they are still in the same faction with the belves. The melves made the mana bomb for Garrosh to use on Theramore. Jaina was rightfully pissed. And she wanted to get rid of any Horde affiliated people from Dalaran. She only killed those who openly resisted. Those who surrendered were exiled.

Hiya Folks! I touched a bit on this blast from the past in my Varian movie, but I wanted to go into a bit more detail separately in case people were skipping past it. Always love to see Lor’themar & the Blood Elves get some lore action. Also Rommy nearly got me killed twice. And Jaina & Arthas. They’ve both purged a city, raised a dragon and been seduced by an orc at one point or another. Truly a perfect match!

@sansapha58k47

3 жыл бұрын

"seduced by an orc" Took me a minute to see which orc Arthas was after lol

@GreyFox40k

3 жыл бұрын

They both raised a dragon eh? I wonder which dragon Jaina "raised"...

@schroecat1

3 жыл бұрын

It's amazing how many Alliance players never knew of Jaina's crimes, and this isn't even the worst of them.

@GreyFox40k

3 жыл бұрын

@@schroecat1 What are Jaina's worst crimes? Except of course leaving her father to die alone against Rexxar and the Horde :^)

@TheUnkow

Ай бұрын

Both for a Shaman at that. :) Some things just fit so well, you just wonder why they never let them truly click. One can only hope that we will get it in the future. One way or another we shall get it ... *cough* AI *cough*

The fact that Jaina did not even get remotely punished for her actions by the other Archmages of Dalaran is baffling.

@skylerthompson8652

Жыл бұрын

Too busy making Garrosh look like the big bad. Blizzard seems to have this problem of making the horde do evil deeds that are grossly out of character of the horde and then glossing over stuff when someone in the alliance does something bad. Like the burning of Teldrasil, that is so out of character of Sylvanas that they had to write a big bad overlord into the story in order to make it make sense. Sylvanas is too practical and pragmatic to burn the world tree, not when she can use it as a bargaining chip. Garrosh blew up Theramore, initially a tactically sound decision to wipe out a majority of alliance leadership. But then he decides to murder the survivors as well. Something out of character of the brutish but honor-bound Garrosh. In cataclysm, he kills one of his generals for attacking civilians, something he considers dishonorable.

@emilypatteson805

Жыл бұрын

Ally gets away with everything they’re the “good guys”

@richardshiflett5181

Жыл бұрын

Jaina wasn't wrong.

@raechelcleberg8854

Жыл бұрын

That's the problem with any kind of fiction. We look at it from a real-life angle and it doesn't make sense at times.

@jish55

11 ай бұрын

Dude, this was in response to them letting Garrosh use the city to teleport the bomb that destroyed Theramore on every plane of existence. They legit helped in the genocide of an entire city, so they are equally guilty to its destruction.

Jaina: "I've found a way to get Dalaran back to the Alliance, Your Majesty." Varian: "Get to the point, Jaina." Jaina: "Very well, Your Majesty. Vereesa, show the King." (Vereesa shows several corpses of Sunreaver Blood Elves) Varian: "What you've done here, Jaina, is against the law of the Alliance. Disgusting... is the only word I have to describe it." Jaina: "But, Your Majesty, without purging the blood elves, my people in Dalaran would be betrayed." Varian: "Have you given any thought to what this means, Jaina? What's the difference between you and Garrosh now?" Jaina: "Isn't it obvious, my King? I serve the Alliance." Varian: "Watch your clever mouth, witch!"

@squirlking2

Жыл бұрын

To be fair the belfs dug their own hole. Jaina was trying to keep yet another nuke out of Garry's hands. The sunreavers betrayed their sworn neutrality by helping Garry. They betrayed dalaran and jaina again. Veressa lost her husband because the sunreavers where traitors. And she killed multiple thieves during the quest. It wasn't the massacre you try to make it out to be.

Magister Hathorel puts the "blood" in "blood elf". He makes me proud.

@Athelarius

2 жыл бұрын

Lor’thermar’s entire council has so much potential if given enough spotlight in WoW. Such great VA and designs.

I wanna see Jaina 1v1 Khadgar while Rhonin yells citizens of Dalaran!

@apetit8687

3 жыл бұрын

@dopey Dadgar would wipe the floor with her 100%

@akira7752

3 жыл бұрын

Isn't he an Arcane mage? And Jaina a frost mage? Arcane mages are objectively better in a 1v1.

@tatujuntunen7668

3 жыл бұрын

@@akira7752 naw khadgar is every mage

@akira7752

3 жыл бұрын

@@ajax_watches where did he go?

@IronSven

3 жыл бұрын

@@akira7752 to hell, he didn't change his ways

meanwhile in an alternate timeline, Jaina join Arthas in the purge of Stratholme... years later... Arthas became the Lich King Jaina became a Dreadlord together the lovely couple conquer the world and only they live happily ever after... The End :)

@anon7149

4 жыл бұрын

Jaina rapidly notices the betrayal of Sylvanas and kills her then takes over as the leader of the banshee and helps Kael'thuzad keep Lordearon while Arthas helps the LK. Jaina would also cast a spell removing some of Tirian's plot armor as he tries to kill The Allmighty King Arthas.

@alexander1055

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think Arthas would have become the Lichking if Jaina was with him.

@roomonleft

3 жыл бұрын

"ONLY they live happily ever after" 🤣🤣🤣👏👏👏👍👍👍 hood one hahaha

@sansapha58k47

3 жыл бұрын

I like the Lich Queen version of Jaina from Hearthstone, if her and Arthas actually went through with the Wedding : /

@banjothefox9263

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, until Deathwing shows up and nukes the undead, burns Arthas and Jaina like KFC and prepares the world for his master, N'zoth. The end.

Me: *Seeing Jaina remembering Arthas dark actions* You're the only one I can trust, Jaina. You're a good and peaceful girl... Jaina: I will purge Dalaran from the Blood Elves! Me: YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE!

@TheBayzent

3 жыл бұрын

One can only stay retarded for so long. Daelin was right, and she ought to learn the reason quicker.

@Athelarius

2 жыл бұрын

“I loved you Arthas” “I hate you” “I still love you deal with it”

@GrapeCheckerBoard

Жыл бұрын

“It was said that you would join the Blood Elves, not destroy them! Bring balance to Dalaran, not leave it darkness!”

Would be interesting to see Lor'Themar as warchief. I personally think he's the best choice atm.

@jmiddleton7518

3 жыл бұрын

Please don’t let him die in one expansion Blizzard, please don’t let him die in one expansion..

@halo16918

3 жыл бұрын

@@jmiddleton7518 I feel like I might reroll alliance if that were to happen he's the only ORIGINAL leader left in the horde

@silverspear21

3 жыл бұрын

He is too hot headed and holds grudges. He would be no different than what Jaina would be if she lead the Alliance. But you are correct in him being the best choice right now because he is really the only choice. The Horde have very poor leadership right now.

@halo16918

3 жыл бұрын

@@silverspear21 I'm sorry but Lor'themar has yet to commit genocide.

@silverspear21

3 жыл бұрын

@@halo16918 True he has that going for him compared to the other Horde leaders. For the record Jaina never committed genocide either.

There is also a sceen from the isle of thunder where Jaina and Lorthemar have an interaction where he states "The Sunreavers knew NOTHING of Garrosh raid on Darnassus" this is followed at once by this emote "Aethas Sunreaver shifts uncomfortably"

Lor'themar would actually be an amazing warchief.. prove me wrong. he is basically an Elven version of Varian.

@franciscorafaelmontielpale7854

3 жыл бұрын

He is too quick to anger and holds grudges and hatred to a greater level than Varían.

@locustzedicus2437

Жыл бұрын

My pick is Baine. Baine is a great commander, slow to anger, prefers diplomacy, and is honorable.

This is great. Lore in WoW is so scattered and in such small pieces it's difficult to really know the stories. Having all the relevant story scenes sewn together like this is great!

This is why Blood Elves are my favorite race in Warcraft.

@SebastianSor13

3 жыл бұрын

because the poor writers of the shity game keep killing them ?

@sansapha58k47

3 жыл бұрын

They dont really stand for anything though, they honestly just go with whats convenient for them or whichever side is winning. Guess i cant blame them though, gotta do whats best for your people, whilst the rest of the Horde is pretty much unified, with the exception of Sylvanas' leadership, she is whats causing them to not be unified now, we will see how that goes i guess

@obseed3041

3 жыл бұрын

tbh Jaina should've symphatized with the blood elves' decision to not do anything to stop Garrosh. Their whole populace was decimated by a human controlling the dead. Whatever was left of them were sent to suicide missions by whom? A human again. They were forced to ally with the Horde because the Alliance was willing to kill them off because some of the leaders were racists. The Horde is all that they have left and they couldn't afford to go against the warchief lest they risk going extinct completely. I like Jaina a lot and I understand the pain that drives her anger but she went all out to the people who had no choice but to follow whoever or whatever keeps them surviving. I can't see any good reason that could justify her actions. A lot of people say she did just the same as Arthas. Arthas killed people who were infected, if he didn't act sooner the undead would've decimated the Eastern Kingdoms sooner maybe even without him being a death knight. Arthas acted the way he did because he knew how fast the plague spreads. He protected Andorhal against waves of undead and almost lost if not for the help of Uther and his army of paladins. Stratholme is much larger and held more infected people. Even if the Silver Hand manage to stop the incoming undead, so much more lives would be lost and again, they would fall too. I mean Medivh himself tried to get all of them to Kalmidor because he knew the east continent is lost already. (And also because Archimonde is after the world tree) No matter what they do, the people will turn; if they haven't died already. Jaina on the other hand killed an already suffering population of survivors who could've joined back to the Alliance. If she's going to blame the people who would've been hunted to the last man if they tried to stop Garrosh then she might as well try to kill Thrall for making Garrosh as warchief in the first place.

@sansapha58k47

3 жыл бұрын

@@obseed3041 so what exactly happened? I know people think Jaina is responsible for her Father's death, supposedly she left him behind or something?

@obseed3041

3 жыл бұрын

@@sansapha58k47 Well after the battle at Mount Hyjal, Jaina tried to build a new faction where the survivors of Lordaeron that she leads becomes allies with the Horde Thrall leads. Their home would be Theramore. However during the building of Theramore, Daelin Proudmoore (Jaina's dad) heard about Jaina being seen among orcs. Daelin is one of the people who experienced the horrors of the first and second war. He thought that his daughter was being held captive by the orcs so he brought his navy to Theramore to save her. When he arrives, Jaina explains to him that the Horde is not a threat to the Alliance anymore and that she is making a future where they all work together (She believes this because Alliance and Horde worked together to fight the Legion at mount Hyjal). Daelin won't listen though, saying "Once Horde will always be Horde", and continued to fight the orcs. Not wanting to ruin the peace she worked hard to maintain between the remnants of Lordaeron and the Horde, she decides to let her father fight alone. That's why people say she left him behind. Her dream of peace between the two factions led her to the decision to let her father die by orc hands. For a while it worked. Even though members of the Horde and Alliance were wary of each other, there were peace. Then Thrall had to step down from being warchief because he had to serve the elements as a shaman and appointed an unwilling Garrosh as the new leader of the Horde.

I've been loving the stitched together cinematics to cover the lore. (I think I'd rather see the Kuleshov-esque commentary edits as a one-time end-of-video bonus, though ^_^) Thanks for your work!

9:34 Meanwhile when Lorthemar was very mad, Garrosh just put a goddamn giant panda bell's into silvermoon 😂😂

@Puddingskin01

4 жыл бұрын

"It absolutely clashes with EVERYTHING!" *Throws another bench*

@laevateintechnology5634

6 ай бұрын

Lor'themar: "Jaina has gone way to far, that human WITCH " (throws the Bench in the water fountain) 😂😂😂

Everything she ever wanted to do was to study...

@Winds0fWinter

4 жыл бұрын

Little did they know she was studying Mein Kampf...

@annabeatrizmarques795

3 жыл бұрын

@@Winds0fWinter WTF ? Lol Yha...just the same thing 😂

@annabeatrizmarques795

3 жыл бұрын

My poor Lord Admiral can't get a break 💔

@sansapha58k47

3 жыл бұрын

I guess they never gave her enough time to think...

@FrostyCh13f

3 жыл бұрын

I honestly believe she's just a woman like everyone else that just couldn't endure it anymore and eventually broke leading her to make horrible decisions

I love your short films and cinematics!

9:19 The fact that the Horde exists because a bunch of orcs wanted to take Azeroth for themselves...

@Wellshem

Ай бұрын

He's talking about the modern horde, the one made my Thrall

I always thought that Jania and Thrall were getting it in, I don’t know why there just always seemed to be that weird “we’re sleeping together but no one can know” vibe between them.

@aminsiagian364

4 жыл бұрын

Wtf? LoL, I'm so confused how this is very weird yet make so much sense

@URKCEHinoSuu

4 жыл бұрын

I believe Thrall is married

@Kaimariification

4 жыл бұрын

Last I recall, Thralls’s creator married him off to an orc because he got tired of all the ThrallxJaina fanfics .

@Fox3032

3 жыл бұрын

No way wtf 😂

@therrogue1193

3 жыл бұрын

@Sampiro Locke guess you didnt read the rule 34 pf it then

I think many people forget that when Jaina went back to Theramore to see the carnage, she saw the body of her gnome apprentice and when she went to touch it, it turned to ash. If that (or the bombing for that matter) doesn’t mentally scar you for life I don’t know what will 😰

@mailowmailow5207

4 жыл бұрын

I mean, you talk about our standards. But think about it that way: They live in a world where you have to see your loved ones in constant danger of getting killed. Many of those even die eventually. You can't really compare that to our world where rarely any danger is in sight for our loved ones.

@SLVinzon

4 жыл бұрын

@@mailowmailow5207 bruh we're talking about a woman who's haunted by the inability to protect her loved ones (including but not limited to: Antonidas (at the hands of Arthas), Arthas, Daelin, and then her apprentice), a woman who fought in a war against undeath at such a young age, a woman who advocated for peace until she reached her limit if THAT doesn't mentally scar you then I don't know about your standards of trauma for a human mage even IN the world of Warcraft

@madzaisa

3 жыл бұрын

Can anyone explain me why she took her underage apprentice to the city that's 100% is getting attacked by the Horde? If Garrosh didn't drop the manabomb the city would still be capture by the Horde.

@lkcdarzadix6216

3 жыл бұрын

@@madzaisa neutral city, garrosh strike first also apprentice accompanied their master.

@madzaisa

3 жыл бұрын

@@lkcdarzadix6216 > neutral city How about educating yourself on some lore before spewing first grade BS? It stopped being neutral long before Garrosh attacked it.

No matter the era, there is always war... Senju Hashimara

Aethas is such a chad in his scene, literally his mages die infront of him and just strolls in

Seriously tho why is Lor'Themar not already the Warchief? Never seen the guy make a bad tactical call and he just oozes charisma

"Jaina!" "I'm not Proud" Was this like a semi-Pun ?

@Whiskypapa

3 жыл бұрын

Only if she had continued with “I am more than proud...”

@stefanmirica6485

3 жыл бұрын

Jaina Proud-less

5:40 Jaina: Dracarys

"My Lord, you would make a fine Warchief." I cannot be the only one who also thinks this. Also Hathorel was right. Jaina went way too far. Even Varian was disappointed in her.

@federicocolazzo3643

Жыл бұрын

That only proves that Jaina is no better, if even worse, than those who she calls rabid animals.

@richardshiflett5181

Жыл бұрын

He caused the purge when he helped nuke Theramore and stole the bell

@ThePastAnalysis

8 ай бұрын

@@richardshiflett5181Lor’themar and Aethas Sunreaver didn’t know about the incident until after it happened. Lor’themar was in talks to join the Alliance while this was going on. I know that as an Alliance player, the assumption may be that everyone on the Horde is in lock step, but it couldn’t be further from the truth.

This entire city must be purged. Jaina there must be another way Damn it Varian!

What is missed is what happened during Legion. Aethas was expelled from Dalaran cause he in fact let Garrosh move his forces through Dalaran. This is revealed in the Mage class campaign. The corruption went all the way to the leadership of the Sunreavers themselves. Secondly Jaina only killed those who chose to fight. Garrosh cannot say the same, and Sylvanas after that in Battle for Azeroth. Not to mention a Sunreaver also betrayed her in Theramore as well.

@trentb3148

8 ай бұрын

Such is the story of the Horde. They commit unspeakable horrors, express regret, and then the Alliance are the bad guys for not forgiving them. Rinse and repeat, and that pretty much sums up the lore of WoW.

@bonefetcherbrimley7740

7 ай бұрын

Well said. Pretty much. @@trentb3148

"once horde, always horde" - NPC Jaina

Your edits are awesome dude

My best friend just did this finally after not knowing about the purge of dalaran details for several years now He said he was straight up unnerved by being forced to do it.

Garrosh: I think I just fell in love with a human.

Very good video, thank you!

Great video!

Pandaria was one of the best expansions I ever played, God, I miss it so much

@kittyMKZ

3 жыл бұрын

Wait til you try Legion

@ClericOfPholtus

3 жыл бұрын

For real

Hmmm so we now know that Arthas is in the shadowlands would be a perfect time to Jaina become crazy and go find Arthas aNd free him from the Maw and become Lich king and Lich Queen .Unleashing the full power of the scourge.

@fesco8276

3 жыл бұрын

Scourge 3 expansion? Huh.

I think that even if the divine bell incident never happened and the blood elves re-joined the alliance a few elves would still stay with garrosh and the horde

For the glory of sunwell, and high elvs!

@yin-mei-gou2526

4 жыл бұрын

Selama ashal'anore

0:57 "I'm not proud." - Jaina Proudmoore

Arthas killed Humans on his Free Will. He was possessed by Frostmourne (the Cursed Blade) when he killed the Blood Elves. Jaina acted on her own Free Will when she murdered the Blood Elves. She was not possessed in any way.

@finns935

2 жыл бұрын

Soon, she will get possessed by something

@squirlking2

Жыл бұрын

Canonically no most of the npcs she does stuff to during the quest chain she is actually sheeping and teleporting them into a cell. She is trying to stop the bell from getting out of dalaran so Garry can't use it to kill millions more. She doesn't have any other option but to lock the city down and arrest everyone.

@victuz

Жыл бұрын

@@squirlking2 Yeah it was a desperate situation there.

@WarbossR0kt00fSant0s

Жыл бұрын

Technically, they were the High Elves before they were called the Blood Elves.

@squirlking2

Жыл бұрын

@@WarbossR0kt00fSant0s technically most high elves which never changed over (though few remain) are mostly part of the silver covenant. When you dig into the lore there are minor physical differences between helfs, belfs, and belfs. They are culturally very different and by in large the few remaining helfs do not like the belfs and despise the horde due to history. Keep in n mind the helfs which where not directly in silver moon when it was destroyed or refuse to feed of none arcane magics are all which remains of the original helfs. And as for the original highbourne. The ones not dead or whom had evolved into helfs/belfs. Joined azshara and became naga.

It looks funny and very tame seeing this in game form instead of being cinematic.

Ah, back when the alliance had a smudge on their reputation. And now shes "redeemed"

@DoctorFail

4 жыл бұрын

@sassy muffin hell no i dont like the idea of sylvanas getting "redeemed." She had a chance to be a grey and interesting character, now shes just another reason why the horde is always the villian.

@DoctorFail

4 жыл бұрын

@sassy muffin i also dont like the council idea, _but_ i would rather have a batshit evil horde over yet another "poor me are we the baddiess hashtag red alliance" rebellion story like we got in mists, and now in battle of azeroth. Sylvanas is just a product of horrible writing.

@Doomroar

4 жыл бұрын

@sassy muffin No one fucking wants her back, she was a mistake and Vol'jin never trusted her, he literally got mind fucked into messing up everything. - The only Warchiefts worth anything were Thrall and Vol'jin from the OG shamanistic Horde. - The Forsaken already have a way out to go back to their human familes on the alliance were they belonged from the damn start. - The only bad thing about the council is that it has blood elves in there, who are only in the Horde because Jaina went and decided to become like her boyfriend and Sylvanas.

@Hourani95

4 жыл бұрын

@sassy muffin the forsaken will accept Calia as their leader as she is an undead AND the rightful heir to the lordaeron throne.

@Gonourakuto

4 жыл бұрын

@@Hourani95 The forsakens won't accept calia because being forsaken is not a being undead , forsaken is being abandonned and betrayed by those you loved and trusted , thats why a big grp of leper gnomes "in the lore at leats" are part of the forsaken , thats also why I think the broken "broken draenei from argus" tbh could even join them and fit perfectly with them because they were aswell forsaken and betrayed by their own kind , thats what the forsaken faction is all about , split faction of races who were rejected or abandonned calia is nothing like a forsaken she was accepted and loved by the alliance even after what happened to her and was blessed by the light , where the real forsakens were hunted down like monsters after they tried to go back to the alliance after arthas was defeated even tho they were no longer a threat for just being what they were and the light rejects them , she is complete opposite of them she cannot understand them she was never forsaken , she never suffered the way they did , they will never accept her for that simple reason and also because the forsaken are not only undeads from lordaeron but from all over and some forsakens are not even undead , she is not the rightful queen of those people

i always wanted to know what happened in dalaran thanks a lot

Jaina talks about purging the Horde, but has no clue that she acted just like Garrosh.

@jalicea1650

4 жыл бұрын

This was right after a mana bomb or basically a nuclear bomb was detonated over her city and much of her surviving friends and family was murdered before her eyes by Garrosh with a weapon created by a blood elf. Then she discovers that a new WMD is being used by the Horde and they got access to it thanks to the Blood Elves thru her new city. This was the breaking point for her. That said. She should never have attacked the magi for the actions of a few. Lore wise though she didn't murder most of them. She killed a few, but almost all were left unharmed. What the player did was bring the Blood Elves close to her so the bug in her NPC would kill all before her. Lore wise she froze them and threw them in prison.

@AdemirZX

4 жыл бұрын

Wyndell Lee the difference is that she was pushed into that rampage by garrosh's actions, while garrosh was a racist genocidal dipshit from the very beggining.

@Hourani95

4 жыл бұрын

@@jalicea1650 you're wrong lore-wise she killed majority of the sunreavers and the rest that fled joined back with the blood elves in silver moon. She's a monster just like arthas and needs to have her story closed off which should've happened in BFA but plot armor takes over and "change of heart" is a dumb reason to make a person or entire faction forget the past.

@Gonourakuto

4 жыл бұрын

@Xavier2291 The diff is that Theramore was a military settlement very close to Ogrimmar and mostly inhabited with soldiers or people that were helping the war effort and knew the risk , Garrosh tried taking the city normally with honor for weeks before bombing it , for Garrosh it was just a military decision that made sense at the time Jaina went to a neutral city "Dalaran" and started to kill real innocents who didnt had to do anything with war in general and who even didnt show signs of resistance for the most part , Jaina committed a true genocide out of blind anger

@AdemirZX

4 жыл бұрын

@@Gonourakuto you just said that the genocide of theramore was "a military desicion that made sense" and then procede to bash jaina about it(i agree that she deserves it). Talk about double standard.

I’m not even going to remotely justified Jaina’s actions but let’s keep in mind she was at this point suffering from some crazy ptsd. Her home and her people were flat out murdered by a bomb. I get that it’s war and all but she was the only one who was trying to keep peace and then they turned her against them. Even with all that it feels very out of character for Jains to act like this.

horde : betray kirin tor for the XX time Kinrin tor : purge horde from Dalaran horde : surprise pikachu face

@CloudHiro

3 жыл бұрын

except at this point the blood elves were in the process of leaving the horde. Jaina just pushed a currency neutral race right back to the horde

@agnosticnixie

3 жыл бұрын

Imagine being so faction-poisoned that you believe the blood elves were horde loyalists in Mists

But what happen after Lorthemar said to bring his blades ? Any story there? If he was fighting with Jaina ? Or force her to leave dalaran?

Hmmm, I wonder if Jaina will be confronted by Blood Elves she killed at Dalaran in the Shadow Lands story or even by Keal'thas...

Sorry but @Athelarius what the fuck is this INN music playing during Jaina's peace speech at the beginning with Anduin? There's is a very special music that plays during the original cinematic this occurs in. Jaina's Hope music.

6:35 I hear Cleveland

We should also remember how she invaded Zuldazar and Murdered king Rastakhan and destroyed all the Zandalari navy before they even joined the Horde.

@axelb.2353

4 жыл бұрын

sassy muffin thanks for suggesting because I actually played both sides and the Zandalari isn’t giving horde much (weapon or boats) when the alliance invade, in fact the Zandalari seek the help of the horde against Alliance assaults and lots of internal threats such as the betrayers amid the council of the king and the frequent assaults of blood trools and Their old god. When you do the alliance war campaign, they slay all new allies they can seek ( nightborne in Xibala, Sanl’ayn in Nazmir, Vulpera in voldun..); does experimentations to change gorillas into war weapons; plunder the room with the Zandalari gold and artifacts.. you don’t actually see Zandalari frontally attack Kul’tiras before, the horde does but not Rastakhan and the Zandalari who was not part of them yet. Perhaps you should do the horde war campaign and quests after all

@axelb.2353

4 жыл бұрын

sassy muffin when you will do them, you will notice the horde attacks areas in Kultiras with the Forsaken fleet/goblin weapons ! Also there is actually blood elves NPC taking selfies in the pyramid of Zuldazar 😜

@serkan1743

4 жыл бұрын

She didnt kill rastakhan wtf are u saying lmao

@CIAinTaiwanAndUkraine

4 жыл бұрын

Before that happened the Horde attacked Gilneas unprovoked and tortured their civilians and made them work in their mines to their deaths Before that happened the Horde attacked Brennadam unprovoked and killed every civilian they could find Both cases weren't part of the Alliance yet. Before you go boohoo Alliance is evil, make sure the Alliance's body count even reaches Teldrassil alone

@axelb.2353

4 жыл бұрын

@@serkan1743 kzread.info/dash/bejne/l4upz8OMpK_NdLA.html

Ever wonder what would happen if the Kirn Tor was never made?

I love these edits 😂

Thankss!!!

The purge of Dalaran is something that bring shame to me, we where so close to bring blood elf to the alliance... Jaina...

@ms.honiqualisha4529

4 жыл бұрын

The Purge was justified.

@sp-0606

4 жыл бұрын

Ms. Honiqualisha no good things happens after a purge!

@alexmag342

3 жыл бұрын

Jaina literally did nothing wrong. Traitors will be executed, they deserve nothing less

@duritoburito989

3 жыл бұрын

@@ms.honiqualisha4529 No if Jaina didn't do that I would have a chance to play blood elves on Alliance dammit!

@silverspear21

3 жыл бұрын

@pierre persson How so? Jaina gave them a choice and Sunreaver decided not to leave peacefully knowing full well what he and his people did. If Jaina was not justified in what they did then the Sunreavers are personally responsible for what Garrosh became and for the Alliance stopping him.

That’s what rafaam is going to do. Take over dalaran

i liked your record so much

Do what must be done, Lady Proudmoore. Do no hesitate; show no mercy!

Arthas and Jaina deserve for each other.

9:10 I don´t know why but I lost it at the Lor´themar bench flip :D

@randjan8592

3 жыл бұрын

was looking for this. Does nobody notice these funny things? Damn, this was a genius idea. I guess Loth'remar is very strong.

@honzik3958

3 жыл бұрын

@@randjan8592 well he better be thalyssra is quite a woman :D

Jaina : HEY BLOOD ELFS!We don't take kindly to your types in here

Lol 4:31 nelf just walks by "this was an inside job" lol

and soon tyrande will sack some horde city and become a new raidboss, true story

Now both sides have commited crimes against one another, but If we have to keep count of all crimes or how vile said crimes were, well the horde is the big winner by a very long margin.

@CIAinTaiwanAndUkraine

4 жыл бұрын

Alliance hasn't reached the body count of Theramore civilians alone

@topeee

4 жыл бұрын

What?? Commited crimes?? No it wqsnt

@boubakhari

4 жыл бұрын

@@CIAinTaiwanAndUkraine Well I play both factions, and I know my lore, you're actually closer to the truth, but what can you say against a litteral horde of horde apologists?:p

@nicoavlz347

4 жыл бұрын

@teslagod2003 "innocent orcs" they just crossed the dark portal in a psicotic rage , murdered a lot of humans, destroyed stormwind and killed their king Can't see why humans would have a grudge against the orcs

@nicoavlz347

4 жыл бұрын

@teslagod2003 yeah it's because the alliance refuse to accept peace , not like the horde bombed theramore, plagued guilneas or burned a world tree , and you stated that the humans impriosioned orcs and i explained to you why i believe they where justified

I don’t understand how Jaina’s talk with Anduin took place in what? Wrath? Maybe later? But meanwhile during Legion, Jaina took no part in the defense of Azeroth from the Legion, because Horde & Alliance were going to work together, correct? I wonder what changed. I know it wasn’t Kalcelgos because that happened before. Hmmm. Strange. Maybe Jaina did have a part in Legion (Mage was never a class I played, so never went thru the Mage Order Hall quest line), but I could’ve sworn when Dalaran was moved, Jaina put her foot down and left because the Horde was there.

@MrBlarginFlarg

4 жыл бұрын

Jaina was there until Dadgar (Khadgar) stepped in and said they need to allow the Horde back into Dalaran to stop the Legion. Jaina obviously refused but she was out voted by the counsel of mages that run it now. After that, she left and kinda did her own thing for awhile. We don't know what exactly she did during Legion but we do know she was indeed fighting demons on her own. She left not so much that they were working together but more so that she just straight up didn't want the Horde in her city again and she couldn't stop them since she got overruled.

"That human....witch!" *throws a bench*

Varian could've easily denounced Jaina's actions and reach out to the blood elves to help in rescuing and avenging those who were lost and bring Jaina to justice.

@georgestaykov5358

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah but Lor'themar flew into a rage when he heard what Jaina did. He rejoined GARROSH''s Horde. There is no fixing what Jaina did lol, so glad Khadgar schooled her.

@SoulKiller7Eternal

4 жыл бұрын

@@georgestaykov5358 No, thats what Im saying. Is he denounces Jaina and the Kirin Tor if they go along with this and withdraw all support from it. Alliance wide. Then sending a diplomatic envoy to the Elves in an offer to bring her to justice to face her crimes as she was acting on her own and her actions do NOT signify the views of The Alliance...because they dont. The elves were one of the KEY RACES of The Alliance...and then War III happened...

@gorgeouszan

4 жыл бұрын

@@SoulKiller7Eternal wouldn't work. The Elves went to the Horde because of the extreme bigotry and mistrust of the Alliance in the first place. To have Varian just say he wasn't on board with it would 1) alienate Jaina and cost him the support of Dalaran which he would never do and 2) the Elves would never believe it, there is no trust there after the first two Wars and to have Varian say he wasn't aware that his close family friend and ardent supporter was doing this just sounds like a blatant lie regardless of it being true.

@SoulKiller7Eternal

4 жыл бұрын

@@gorgeouszan Well you got the lore wrong. 1) Elves werent in the first war. They came in on the second. 2) It wasn't about whatever he would never do or could do, it was the fact that he COULD do it, not a matter of will he. 3) The real only mistrust came from Garithos. Most alliance, mainly those of the Azeroth banner, who fought in the first two wars, trust the elves because they fought with them - as allies. 4) A public outcry and removal of Dalaran isnt the objective...its the arrest of Jaina who basically became Arthas and slaughtered en mass. Acting just like Garithos and just like her father.

@SoulKiller7Eternal

4 жыл бұрын

@@gorgeouszan But also the reason the elves WOULD believe it and know it to be true...is because the Alliance has withdrawn its support as long as Jaina remains in charge.

Jaina complains about garrosh’s racism but acts just like him hmmmm

@Maslenain

4 жыл бұрын

Because the Sunreavers DID help the Horde during the steal of the Divine Bell, it's confirmed in the Horde perspective and during the final of the Isle of Thunder's questline.

@topeee

4 жыл бұрын

@@Maslenain exactly

@throg4657

3 жыл бұрын

Maslenain And that justifies purging dalaran of every single bloodelf?

@Maslenain

3 жыл бұрын

@@throg4657 Maybe not the blunder led by Vereesa and the Silver Covenant, but the decision itself, yes.

@victorgrisel838

3 жыл бұрын

Dalaran is a city of the alliance but the horde can come in and betrayed so yes that justified dude

What's the OST during the Silvermoon City part?

Can someone help me? How would I get to these series of quests? I have watched this twice now its awesome

How dare those sunreavers assist the horde! Dont they know this is a neutral city? Now, if you'll excuse me, I got to get back to assisting the alliance war effort. Toodaloo!

In a diferent time, in a diferent universe, on a diferent timeline.... there lies a expansion scraped by blizzard... and there, you'll find a Lich Queen... and its not Sylvannas...

So Aethas betrayed... When Lorthemar asked about the situation in Dalaran, he didn't mention a few details.

Arthas: Jaina.... Jaina: It’s getting creepy now Arthas

Jaina says that the whole bell affair was a betrayal and violation of the Kirin Tor's neutrality by the Sunreavers. Yet somehow, in her eyes, her - a leader of Kirin Tor - actively helping keep the Divine Bell in Alliance possession was fine and dandy.

As an Alliance player, I need to ask: can we PLEASE have ONE WAR CRIME that we commit that is NOT against one of the FOUNDING RACES of the Alliance that switched sides due to Garithos betraying the Alliance, but instead commit it against a race we actually FOUNDED our faction to combat to begin with? Yes, I'm speaking of ORCS. Maybe Trolls too. Please, we don't want to kill the same Elves that helped us win the Second War. If we commit war crimes, we want to commit war crimes on Orcs, Trolls, maybe Goblins too. Please. Thank you for your attention.

@TheBeastr

3 жыл бұрын

I mean as a original alliance player I get what you mean. But at least wage war on orcs that deserve it, but then we wouldn't have mobs of hostiles to kill like ogres, I'm glad the horde have goblins again, but really wish the alliance would go for someone else than the blood elves and undead, maybe go for the Taurean? It would be rather easy, and the trolls only have small areas, if you eliminated them then taking the orcs would be far easier, though the same could be said if the Horde did the same, eliminate the Draenei and Gnomes, as Nightelves is rather scattered and broken at this time, so easy pickings against them if you could avoid their leaders, who are filled with fury and rage so getting on their bad side even more could lead to disaster, but same with the blood elves they could harness and collect enough mana to power an entire genocide on the last human capital of storm wind. Either way the World of Warcraft is filled with so much war not just orc vs humans ( & with their extended allies) I admit I miss when it was humans, dwarves, high elves against the orcs drunk on demon blood and felt energy. But Thrall did try to lead the orcs down a better path, to bad all the other leaders of the horde lack brains or turn out to be villains everytime. Sorry for the rant

@AoRArchAngel

3 жыл бұрын

Let's be real though, anytime the alliance commit a war crime its almost completely over looked or ignored.

@skylerthompson8652

Жыл бұрын

Well technically in warcraft 3 the orcs were all in concentration camps so jot that down.

Enduin was there to tell Jaina and stop her, but for arthus he was full of rage and Uther didn't want to see think the same as he is a teacher

After MoP I was sure lorthemar was going to be the next warchief. Sad that will never happen with the new council

This is why Jaina is my favourite. Garrosh and Aethas gambled with the lives of the blood elves in Dalaran and lost, hell she even gave Aethas a chance to leave and gather his people but he chose to throw it aside. The Horde had it coming, nothing can convince me otherwise

@johnnyw6467

3 жыл бұрын

Well....if you had read the stories from the beggining, Alliance had done several....bad deeds that make Theramore bombkng look like child play

@Supremed9

3 жыл бұрын

"Aethas gambles" Aethas didn't even know about the small percentage of Sunreavers that had betrayed the Blood Elves on Dalaran until it was too late, the only reason he didn't do anything was because Garrosh would have obliterated Silvermoon if he had stopped them. Jaina didn't care that they were a minority of traitors, she purged ALL blood elves from Dalaran. Killed them, killed their flying mounts, tossed the rest in the violet hold.

@LordMortanius

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnnyw6467 Ah, yes, the Taurajo argument. That's just... *looks at Hillsbrad* *looks at Southshore* *looks at Galen Trollbane's murder* *looks at the despoiling of Ashenvale* *looks at Arathi's Defilers* *looks at that lobotomized girl in vanilla Undercity* terrible. Just terrible.

@johnnyw6467

3 жыл бұрын

@@LordMortanius Elves create sundering and pretty much all the major events due to their addiction. At least trolls managed to beat old god generals.

@LordMortanius

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnnyw6467... You mean the events that predate the Alliance as a political body and saw the responsible parties transformed into naga or booted out?

all the "jaina's" killed me, every time

Like as if was taken through time I have old picture of jaina yes she looks like that.

Ah, those times when Lor'themar was doing more than just standing aside and watch things unfold...

And to think, the High Elves/Blood Elves were historically incredibly good allies of the Alliance, and the Alliance completely turned their backs on them, forcing them to go Horde.

@Teemo6544

9 ай бұрын

High elves are still part of the alliance. Blood elves were never part of the alliance.

@ThePastAnalysis

8 ай бұрын

@@Teemo6544This is effectively lying. Quel’thalas was allied to the Alliance. Kael’Thas was the Blood Elf leader and they imprisoned him and his troops with the intent to execute them. The Alliance is entirely to blame for the Blood Elves Horde participation.

@Teemo6544

8 ай бұрын

@@ThePastAnalysis There’s a difference between the alliance we know today and the alliance of Lordaeron. Blood elves were never part of the alliance formed after the third war. The alliance (varians alliance) we know today shouldn’t be blamed for what Garithos did. And FYI The Alliance or lordaeron was pretty much dismantled and destroyed after Arthas. Garithos was just keeping the tiny alliances and troops and whatever remained of the alliance of Lordaeron alive. That fragmented alliance literally had nothing to with the alliance consisting of humans, dwarves, gnomes, Draenei, night elves and worgen but whatever

@ThePastAnalysis

8 ай бұрын

@@Teemo6544 I agree that there are some differences between the Alliance of Lordaeron and the Alliance post the Third War. But you have to acknowledge that it's just a straight up lie to say the Blood Elves were never part of the Alliance. They were. It just wasn't the Alliance under Varian's leadership. If the Alliance post the Third War is to be considered a different alliance, then the same is even more true for the Horde post the Third War under Thrall. Thrall's Horde left Eastern Kingdoms, accepted races primarily out of a concern for those races' survival. Given the efforts Thrall's Horde took to help the Blood Elves, and the efforts Varian's Alliance didn't take, it makes perfect sense that the Blood Elves joined the Horde.

@Teemo6544

8 ай бұрын

@@ThePastAnalysis When I say there were never part of the alliance, I mean referring to the alliance we know today, under the Wrynn’s. And im pretty when someone says the alliance in wow, it’s an automatic reference to the current alliance. Not the alliance of lordaeron. If they’re referring to the latter, they will say that. So it’s not incorrect to say the blood elves were never part of the alliance. They had never been members. It’s correct to say they were somewhat part of the broken remains of the alliance of lordaeron. But again current alliance is very much different from Alliance of Lordaeron. And yes you can absolutely Distinguish the old horde from the current horde. The current horde shouldn’t be blamed or held responsible for what the old horde did in draenor and Azeroth. They are not the same horde and Daelin, although had reason to be angry at the orcs, was absolutely in the wrong for trying to make the two hordes Synonymous and kill a redeemed horde.

J A I N A

Could you name the ost in the outro?

in fact , i've always said that Lor'themar will be a perfect leader for the horde . he's wise and strong , perfectly balanced .