Jade lost all her mommy points when someone said she looks like a dead fish rather a snake

I imagine her, jingliu, blade and a support or healer will become a meme team or a meta team

@santabakure6264

25 күн бұрын

You want blade to throw follow ups every turn?😂

seems like the best dual dps character we have gotten since topaz! she’ll be amazing to combo with robin I think too. bottom line is I’m going broke between robin, boothill, firefly, and jade 💀

@meukisedeki

Ай бұрын

Better than Black Swan? Definitely not, Jade lacks something that Topaz and Black Swan have which is actual strong supportive capabilities. E0S0 Topaz gives 50% vulnerability, a debuff for Ratio, extra stacks for Aventurine passive, extra energy and dmg procs for Robin, her E1 and S1 add 74% crit DMG for the team on top of that. E0S0 BS gives 20.8% DEF down, 25% vulnerability and 6% DEF ignore for your DoT units using the prisoner set, her E1 also reduce RES by 25%. Jade gives... 30 spd. And it isn't even free since she consumes HP for that, making it very hard to run no sustain comps. Jade isn't a real Support DPS like Topaz and Black Swan, the only thing she does is damage, if there was a support that had fast AoE attacks and FuAs that would actually be better than running a second DPS. Her E1 and S1 also don't offer any support and just double down on her own DPS, that's why the best performing Jade team right now is actually... Hypercarry Jade. Her dual DPS teams are struggling to compete with actual meta PF teams because of Jade's lack of support and need for sustain. The only exception really is Jade + Blade because Jade's HP drain actually increases Blade dmg, giving Jade the support that she lacks and Blade being to sustain himself allows you to run 2 Harmony supports. Jade looks like a dual DPS unit at first, but really she's another selfish DPS unit that wants to be driven by another unit, however this second unit doesn't have to be a DPS because Jade's not actually giving them dmg, unfortunately we don't have a support unit that can be a good debt collector for Jade right now.

@SaifAli-758

Ай бұрын

i think topaz will be a good debt collector if numby can activate jade extra damage​@@meukisedeki

@meukisedeki

Ай бұрын

@@SaifAli-758 Jade gets 1 charge per enemy hit so in general single target characters are really bad debt collectors. Blade can give Jade up to 11 charges in one turn while Topaz can give at most 2. Jade + Topaz is really bad, they're both nerfing each other and on top of that they excel in different types of content, Topaz is good against single target while Jade is good against AoE. In MoC/AS Jade is a big downgrade compared to Ratio in a Topaz team and in PF Topaz is doing nothing really (she can still get carried by the FuA whimsicality buff but so can any FuA unit so she's still a big downgrade, and she'd be useless with any other whimsicality buff).

@SaifAli-758

Ай бұрын

@@meukisedeki so aventurine with the LC that taunt the enemy might be valid debt collector

@SaifAli-758

Ай бұрын

Yeah i get it this character will be inconsistent with the current roster maybe PF with herta but not MOC

The highest I've ever seen her hold is 16 stacks.

@Catboloni

Ай бұрын

Thats amazing. I dont know why jing yuan cant overcharged his stacks :(

She's not just a mommy bait, she's THE mommy bait.

I’m curious to see what will happen on release as I want a blade buff but the moc runs I’ve seen with jade and blade didn’t do to well 😢

@TheLogan771

Ай бұрын

haven’t watched them, but dont feel pressured to get 0 cycle clears. getting the 3 star is good enough, especially on MOC 12. weakness type matters a lot too, so personally I dont plan to always pair blade and jade. dont think blade needs a buff (jade herself is already a huge blade buff), he still dumpsters wind weakness and I dont even have signature or eidolons, I use S5 firefly lc

@vermilion6966

Ай бұрын

Because jade does better as main dps,not subdps. But,yes,its always better to wait and think 7 times before pulling

@Lew98765

Ай бұрын

Of course because Jade doesnt buff Blade much, effectively she just grant him one more stack per turn Which Bronya also do by making him play twice a much Issue with Jade's dmg in moc is that her FuA stack are tied to the number of targets hits, when there's 3 or 5 she's a monster, drop to 1 and she need 8 actions to get a FuA as its one stack per target hit She'll have a big loss in si gle target scenarios as most of the erudition units sadly (most, cause there's QQ JinYan and Argenti who does somewhat fine)

@per_5ona

28 күн бұрын

I can see Jade + Blade doing better in Pure Fiction than MoC

@Lew98765

28 күн бұрын

@@per_5ona Jade's stacks are limited by the number of target hit If there is 1 target she need 8 separe actions to get all stacks 2 targets 4 actions Etc Same goes for Blade he shine more in AoE situations rather than one tanky targets, and Jade doesnt directly buff his damage but she allow him to get his FuA way more often So these two would struggle a lot against waves where there's not many ennemies or one boss, that lock them to pure fiction or some moc where there's lot of targets Not to forget you have to take out one buffer of Blade for Jade, so Blade lose personnal damage that you get back from Jade's damage Which is bad for MoC where you need high personnal dmg, but good for PF where you don't need as much dmg but need to attack frequently to clear as many ennemies as possible But then an issue remain Do you replace Bronya and lose half of your dmg to instead use someone like RuanMei to buff both Blade and Jade ? Or do you keep Bronya to make Blade play twice as much but Jade doesnt get buffed See the issues ? What do you think ?

Bro if the title is true. It Will be like this. I want boothill and Firefly, recently thought it’s sad that blade(honestly my favorite dps along Jingliu, accheron and Dan IL. Was weak. If she a buff then my wallet needs a buff.

@frraiden

Ай бұрын

they can work together but its not really a buff, it would preform similarly or worse than blade jingliu in moc

@currentlyvibing9916

Ай бұрын

When she has hmc you realise that compared to damage hmc is doing by herself while firefly is increasing that tenfold, you tend to also realise that even if you have to shackle hmc to her she is STILL at e0s1 doing 400k per skill if they are broken, if we compare that to an Acheron ult you can get 4 skills in 1 Sam ult which does (assuming all hits are 400k+) that’s 1.6mil that she can do and also will have almost infinite uptime on her ult lmao I don’t know why people haven’t realised this yet

I respectfully apologize, but mommy and bait are not terms that should be put together. Every mommy is worth pulling, even if their parenting tactics are questionable at best(looking at you, Ruan Mei).

@traplegend5065

Ай бұрын

Mommies are boring and overused. LF personality ones more

@killea1755

Ай бұрын

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@Sarah-ms6uh

Ай бұрын

They are fling boring bro

@junyaiwase

29 күн бұрын

Man take a shower

@mvigel

28 күн бұрын

@@Sarah-ms6uh”fling boring” what does that mean?💀

firefly's self-heals might work with jade's hp drain. couple that with her enhanced blast attacks and she can help jade quickly gather stacks, also E1 Serval can hit 2 enemies on basic so Jade is just one-upping her rather than being the first to hit more than one enemy per basic, not to mention the enhanced basics from blade and the like

@meukisedeki

Ай бұрын

While it's true that Firefly can self sustain through Jade's HP drain she's not "quickly" generating stacks, FF is fast but still only hits 3 enemies on skill, has no FuA, doesn't deal dmg on ult and has a 1 turn down window where her skill only hits 1 enemy, very far behind in terms of charge generation when compared to Blade, Herta, Himeko, Argenti, Serval, and some others. There's also the problem of supports between them, FF *really* wants HTB and RM while Jade wants Bronya and doesn't want HTB at all. You can't really make a FF + Jade team without sacrificing a lot of damage on one of them, at which point you should just replace them with a support and make two different teams.

@Lew98765

Ай бұрын

Firefly wouldn't benefit much from Jade, she doesnt care about anyone else dealing dmg she mostly want buffs, Harmony MC and Ruan Mei are gonna stand on the very top due to how broken super break works and how much RM buff it Firefly teams are gonna be a bit limited untill we get more competitive options

Cannot wait for the leader of the stonehearts who is an emanator like acheron, his kit should be op too

@fightorflight2279

Ай бұрын

Yeah, Diamond. I have a hope that he will be a dps preservation unit

i personally couldnt care less if shes good or not i want her. looking forwards to play her as hypercarry with sparkle and robin, its not like anyone is struggling to beat moc at this point anyway

Personally, I'm a bit dissatisfied. I'd like to see her get buffed in v3 to have better mechanical economy as adds get cleared out in MoC or in MoC/AS/SU situations where mob density is low (1-3). Her current self is very strong in PF which will be a boon as many players seem to lack solid PF units as many were unpopular early on (see Erudition) and it's likely the only unit they have for the mode is Herta or they may have started very recently and have missed JY and Argenti. IMO, her multipliers at base are unimpressive but are held up very strongly by her self buffs. These do take ramp up from her FUAs, Ult, and DC which promotes the use of some kind of consistent speed buffer or AA buffer which is a problem due to her sub-dps/co-dps nature preferring some kind of dual dps buffer. This kind of puts her in a strange place because you'd ideally have Jade+DC dps+off support+def support but the offensive support slot is kind clogged unless you forsake a sustain in favor of no sustain. There's a funny shaped hole for preferred supports and I wonder what kind of soon to be leaked units will be released to fill it. I'm SUPER sold on her visual design and animations but I'm not quite sold on kit value atm, and I say this as a big Erudition and Destruction fan.

So she's literally AoE Topaz. I guess I'm pulling her now.

would 4pc wind set asta be a good debt collector since she is the only character who can act as a buffer with an aoe skill and would easily be able to have perma 200+ speed with a 2 turn ult rotation (with meshing cogs and e4) for super fast jade stack charging or am i missing something because i havent seen anyone talking about this?

She needs multiplier buff tho, her kit locked to PF only.. she needs e1 and it’s kindaaa sad that she’s still mid even at e1. I love her design sooo much (especially whip weapon) i wish hoyo buff her

If we had a shared HP challenge like the new boss, then jade wouldn't be a pure fiction only character... Please shared HP mechanics for bosses on AShadow

@Lew98765

Ай бұрын

She is a pure fiction only As soon as the number of target drop her damage will significantly drop as she get 1 stack per target hit by her ally, when there is 1 target its long to get 8 stacks Also she force to use a healer which is detrimental as you could run sustainless in PF, but still her dmg should be great, she's kind of an Herta upgrade, she should work well with Herta tho

@lucasluanbragasilva5554

29 күн бұрын

@@Lew98765 exactly. You don't get to choose how to play the game, cause each challenge necessarily requires a certain type of character and this is really bad for team comp diversity

@Lew98765

29 күн бұрын

@@lucasluanbragasilva5554 you mean this is very good for team comp diversity ? Compare to genshin where lateral investment dominate, once you have a strong team it can bruteforce anything as long as there is no imunity to your element You can keep using that team against anything, clear all abyss each time with the same teams, and end up playing less various teams due to that While HSR forces you to play various teams, in some way it is limiting but it still forces variety and horizontal investment to cover all elements and damage types What do you think ?

@lucasluanbragasilva5554

28 күн бұрын

@@Lew98765 yeah, you actually have a great point, thank you for that. Still, I would just add, for example, last PF it was just too much. The FUA buff took the challenge to a level where you absolute don't need to build your characters, all you have to do is use FUA and trigger the pf effect. Well, in this case I think it is really really bad, basically because is not even a challenge anymore, it is like an event where all you have to do is learn some mechanic What do you think?

@Lew98765

28 күн бұрын

@@lucasluanbragasilva5554 hm well yeah the FuA buff is strong but I disagree about the part of not needing to build characters Because the way the buff work is that it store an amount of dmg to then trigger, if you don't deal enought FuA dmg it takes a long time to trigger What I found more annoying is that if you had no FuA units on one side that would pretty much make you play buff-less (the option to store 18% of any dmg for the buff make it slow as hell to fill) I've recently felt like pure fiction is getting harder and more limited in term of buffs it really makes a limited amount of units works and is kindq tought to "bruteforce" gladly Herta is still very viable each time If I compare with the first ones they had more flexibility while still buffing an archetype of damage An other thing I dislike about it which cause it to be harder is that around 50% of the points are from the last wave, because points are base don the ennemies hp, and now you have an extremely tanky boss at the last wave which does like what.. 40% of the PF points itself ? That actualy may be even more, I remember being at barely 20k on 60k with 2 waves which made it challenging for some teams if you didnt reach the boss, while teams that follow the archetype get buffed way too much With Acheron in the PF during her banner she literaly had a dedicated buff to get one debuff per ennemy turns, I was able to get 4 bursts within the same cycle and rezched max points (still took lot of strategy) So PF is an interesting case, unlike MOC I agree that the buffs play a way too significant part which is double edged, it easily canchange the difficulty between ultra easy to impossible But small precision I dont have Himeko/Argenti/JinYan so maybe as erudition units they are better at bruteforcing PF in general, I rely more on Clara/Herta/Blade/Acheron

So if topaz is the debt collector each time numby attack jade will deal extra damage or must topaz herself do the attack

@Lew98765

Ай бұрын

So the way Jade works : She make a contract with an ally who gain some speed and deal extra quantum dmg when attacking (but they are low) and lose 5% hp when attacking In exhange Jade get 1 stzck per target hit, at 8 she can launch a follow up attzck Numby would trigger all these effects just like Topaz, grant 1 stack get the bonus dmg Issue here is Jade want someone who hit Aoe, otherwise she lose a lot of efficiency as she'd take 8 attacks to get her FuA, rven if Topaz do twice due to Numby she would also lose hp twice as fast and still be limited to 1 stzck per action, zt the opposite of an AoE unit

The problem with her and Blade is that she is against Bronya for a slot in Blade's team unless you use both and dont use a second buffer/debuffer that would increase both Blade and Jade's damage (Pela/RM) Jade does her dmg and grant one more charge to Blade each time her plays, that doubles his charge generation for his FuA Bronya double Blade's turns and that effectively grant him one more charge everytime, with the addition that he get buffed and play twice So the comparison between the two is.. complicated .. they do similar things both doubling Blade's charges in practice.. Jade just focus more on her own dmg while Bronya focus on Blade's dmg So with a low invest Blade Jade could win, while on an overinvested Blade Bronya would make a bigger difference (theoricaly) They'd really need to both being with Blade otherwise he lose too much if you replace Bronya so that reduce the gains of using Jade, she'd be more an alternative than an upgrade in my opinion Using the two together would definitely buff Blade's damage properly with 2 charge per turn and doubled turns even tho its not a significant buff its an appreciate one But no buff on Jade Why is it insignificant ? Because Jade is a selfish unit she provide little buff to the ally she is linked with and mostly use them as a way to deal her own damage, so she still like to be buffed, and so does the ally because any unit other than Blade doesnt get much, Blade himself doesnt get a significant increase, 30 speed may mess with Bronya's speed tune, it could allow to play a bit more but that depend of which speed he already have( 135 -> 165 would allow him to play twice two cycles in a row, 144 -> 174 -> would allow him to play twice 3 cycles in a row, so thats where it gets more valuable, also +1 speed for speed tune with Bronya, but if Balde gets too fast Bronya need extra speed to follow which is a bit of an issue ) the quantum dmg added on the ally attack are low, and the hp loss is more a pain than a buff as it forces a healer on any unit who isn't Blade The easiest team is probably Blade Jade + a teamwide buffer/debuffer Thats not an upgrade to Blade's damage thats the thing, but that replace the loss of Bronya and with enought invest the overall team damage may be an upgrade compared to Bronya, just not an upgrade to Blade's dmg

@PharmDiff

Ай бұрын

Your DPS being super fast with +30 speed would not ruin your speed tuning with Bronya, 160 is still slower than 165 but would still be 3 actions. Ruan Mei might still be the better option anyway, but i always have two teams that are fighting over her.

@Lew98765

Ай бұрын

@@PharmDiff it would because optimal speed tunning is Bronya with 1 less speed than Blade to give him a turn right after, if he's too fast she will simply ruin his second turn that he would get anyway in the cycles where Bronya won't play twice So with that it would render the additonal speed useless The only good thing to do with it is either get Bronya to be as fast but that reduce her crit dmg or you simply let these 30 speed replace your speed boots but then you need Jade buff all the time 165 speed is not 3 actions its 5 actions within 3 cycles by playing 2 / 2 / 1 (number of action per cycle within 3 cycles) 143 is already 5 actions by playing 2 / 1 / 2 If you go under, 134 thats 4 actions by playing 2 / 1 / 1 So if your Blade would place twice during the second cycle but Bronya doesnt she will just advance a second avtion that he would hzve had regardless, which if instead she hzd the same speed she'd make him play once more by playing right after him and not delaying his next turn so he'd get to play even more within the same cycle Blade -> Bronya advance Blade -> Blade -> Bronya advance Blade again 3 actions per cycle by himself is unreachable thats at minumum 201 speed So he can just stay within 2 actions per cycle Bronya just need to be close to him otherwise the speed is wasted

So what I am seeing is that she doesn't have any cons. The reason I say that is cause even the best character in this game falls heavily in single target. A lot of the information here is not longer valid too. Then I have a question, Have you been playing the same game as us recently? The strongest teams right now is a FUA sub-DPS team comp. What you forgot to mention is that the HP drain went from 5% to 2%. Also future tweaks could make her even more OP.

Her kit is pretty bad - bad multipliers, and the number of stacks needed to trigger her FUA will make her struggle in anything other than PF. It also sucks that she doesn't really work well with any of the other FuA characters.

@TheRedOGRE

Ай бұрын

What are you talking about herta an hemiko will be good options to pair her up with. Did you forget they do fua?

Those cat Design is cute 😂

@Catboloni

Ай бұрын

Lol thank youu! 😆

I want Firefly, but I dont have good characters for her other than HMC. Jade pairs well with all of the 5 stars I have, but I want an IPC free account. Help

She really needs better scaling in her dmg

Its so sad being erudition, i wish a abundance with fua mechanic

@Catboloni

Ай бұрын

Not that sad tbh, if they make PF a lot harder in the future, jade will be a good investment

@nadhif_nasrul

13 күн бұрын

Erudition 🤝 electro (genshin). Being the worst fraction so far and never being meta

This E1 of her is to combo with hunt character , in the case topaz, if numby count towards her charge count it means that , in 1 turn of topaz +numby you get 4 charges , she needs 8 , if there is only one Boss like kafka, sam, aventurine , svarog she is not that good even with e1 because numby will rely on her fua to prock to advance half turn , but if her normal attack count as a fua the same as topaz does it will be really good combo.

its sad that she will be so bad in MoC. However Blade/Robin/Jade/Herta will be insane pf team

pov youtube: this video is english and make translated subtitles to all languages: ❌❌❌ hmm ??? subtitles so no translation: ✅✅✅

Is qq getting power crypt 😢

@awesomeperson5150

Ай бұрын

Jade is a SP positive pseudo support who has to be used with other damage dealers to make use of her kit. QQ is a SP hungry hypercarry. Apart from their role and type, there is little overlap in playstyles

@bacongod5759

Ай бұрын

No not at all very different kits in fact qq probably works well with jade

Isnt all waifus in hoyo are mommy bait?

@Sarah-ms6uh

Ай бұрын

I kmow right, finally someone spitting facts

why Erudition units kinda underwhelming 😞

@beeronilikemacaroni2183

Ай бұрын

You must haven’t seen the leaks. She is currently 0 cycling pure fiction alone and 2 cycling MoC as a hyper carry dps.

@3SVE

Ай бұрын

@@beeronilikemacaroni2183 do we need the light cones and eidolons for that?

@KafkaHuntress

Ай бұрын

In order to 0 cycle of course you need investment, edilions, lc, and also invested supports. don't expect 0 cycle when you don't invest in the character

@beeronilikemacaroni2183

Ай бұрын

@@3SVE I think the leak that’s on you stubs is E0S1 Jade 0 cycling pure fiction and 2 cycle MoC. However she was hyper carry so she had Huo Huo and 2 harmony units buffing her.

@3SVE

Ай бұрын

@@beeronilikemacaroni2183 ty

If shes good without her Lc, ill go for her.. Skipping Boothill because less than E3 S4 Firefly is unacceptable

Jade is annoying because i cant add mid to her name to clown on her fans.

@irena4929

Ай бұрын

True lmao

@davidm0355

Ай бұрын

How about adding cringe to your name, that might help.

@Xavier-ux3sq

Ай бұрын

Corny

@Catboloni

Ай бұрын

Lol

Yes and its disgusting

@Catboloni

Ай бұрын

😂