JADE: I can't believe I have to say this. (READ PINNED) | Jade Shadow
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@AznvasionsАй бұрын
I failed to mention that the AoE of her altfire itself ignores LoS and goes through walls, and has 0% falloff. About pre-nerf Dante. Dante is restricted by needing to actually be present where he places marks, and also be present in the general area he casts Tragedy in. Jade does not have this limitation. She can kite everything and kill it from a distance at Base SP, which is where most people play. She can even kill Acolytes easily, which is something Dante actually has minor difficulty with without resorting to weapons. Dante needs to press 3 buttons to nuke, Jade needs to press 2. When the enemy only has a few hundred thousand health, it does not matter that Dante can hit a few for 100s of millions, or a relatively decent sized group for millions, when Jade can still deal the several hundred thousand at range, through walls, from anywhere, at a much larger and spammable rate than Dante can. Dante shines best in endurance, Jade does decent in endurance, but she is significantly better at nuking at Base SP. - *TIMESTAMPS* I'm on Twitch too now! See me live at: www.twitch.tv/aznvasions NEW Gun CO Spreadsheet: tinyurl.com/GunCOv2 0:00 Intro & Context 0:18 My Guess 0:37 Why Many Jade Builds Suck. 1:03 Point 1 | Energy Economy 2:05 Point 1 | Drain & Cast Costs 3:55 Point 2 | Range 4:24 Point 3 | Secondary Outburst vs Combat Discipline/Avenger 5:11 Point 4 | Modding Glory Altfire 6:00 Point 5 | Duration 7:08 Point 6 | Survivability 8:00 Glory Modding Changes In Future 8:22 My Issues with Glory 8:39 My Original Video 8:59 Mission Showcase (No Augmented, No Outburst, No Armor Strip) 10:04 I'm Nerfing My Build Here, Without Energy To Compensate. 10:38 Comparisons
@punkabooiscool1111
Ай бұрын
There... Are other solutions for energy too, for example, I have a 45% efficiency build that runs semi cleanly, it's a mainly survival support
@mikeD1234
Ай бұрын
This game makes me laugh sometimes. When talking about power levels between frames: “Dante needs to press 3 buttons to nuke, Jade needs to press 2”. You aren’t wrong.
@xxapoloxx
Ай бұрын
On the wiki it DOES say it is affected by multishot
@Ianpact
Ай бұрын
@@xxapoloxx The PRIMARY FIRE, the part that shoots out projectiles, is affected by multishot but the ALT-FIRE, the part that detonates targets marked by the first ability or the primary fire, is not.
@benjamin-sg3kh
Ай бұрын
I know this has nothing to do with the video but I found a synergy with arcane melee affliction and voruna's 2. It looks like a feature. Apply the two (multiple times idk which status causes it and the effect is temperamental) while cloaled before meleeing the enemy. Enemies the two spreads to almost instantly die. I used a standard viral slash bane on harmony with melee elementalist. Just wanted to bring this to your attention for a possible build. Thanks a lot, your build vids are the best.
@Mikielma1Ай бұрын
Is this the Aznvasion's coming to Jesus moment that most WF players have the same number of neurons than Jade has auras?
@S0M3GUY778
Ай бұрын
Thats generous my guy 😂
@fran11390
Ай бұрын
It blows my mind how bad most warframe players are. Like most of this game is either well documented or easy to test on your own, but people keep saying verifiably wrong stuff all the time with such confidence. I seriously would love to know what the average warframe player's age is, ain't no way it's higher than 13, I refuse to believe adults could be this dumb.
@basedlordprime
Ай бұрын
@@fran11390 Adults are incredibly fucking dumb lmao.
@dshearwf
Ай бұрын
@@fran11390 it's a f2p game on all platforms powercrept and trivialized the past 4 years to the point a monkey could play it at peak efficiency. Of course this attracts a very... "special" playerbase.
@yahwehra1771
Ай бұрын
Jade is op af 😂 are people dumb?
@kevinkerwin4118Ай бұрын
"This strategy I'm using doesn't work because problem X." "Have you done anything to alleviate problem X?" "Nah it's just a permanent problem." So is brain damage.
@undeadinside3571
Ай бұрын
@@kevinkerwin4118 sometimes modding space is weird. I can eliminate one problem, but then i have a new one. That usually results in 2 builds though. They probably didnt even get that far
@kevinkerwin4118
Ай бұрын
@@undeadinside3571 Well it's more a matter of feasibility. If modding for maximum range puts you in a position where you're weakened, find that balance. People are too accustomed to having everything they want at once that they don't consider making sacrifices to guarantee a compromise.
@matowakan
Ай бұрын
@@undeadinside3571 What's nice about modding though is that you can decide what pros and cons on a build affect you
@undeadinside3571
Ай бұрын
@@matowakan true, but its so hard to min max a frame that wants moat of everything. Protea for example. She likes strength and duration. Only needs a little range (just stretch. Easy enough) and doesnt need efficiency at all. 45% is fine because of dispensary / equillibrium. Only really needing 2 things is easy Jade needs those plus efficiency
@matowakan
Ай бұрын
@@undeadinside3571 With jade, I find that streamline + boreal's hatred + energize is enough as long as you're picking up energy orbs
@zima-tziАй бұрын
he sounds like a mad teacher yelling at the class after they failed a test...... its so funnny
@divinehaven347
Ай бұрын
I can't blame him when the students are fluently dumbasses
@funboy221
Ай бұрын
Mind you he gave the class the answers 😂
@gamemasteraj05
Ай бұрын
And optional other answers. And they still didn’t listen
@skinnydelegateofrhyme8637
Ай бұрын
@@gamemasteraj05oh they listened that’s the problem the ones listening are the ones that can’t make ish for themselves
@jamesgoetz4625
Ай бұрын
I was laughing so hard thinking at the end he should say, "you stupid SOB's, could you just shut the ... up! At the end if you could please leave me a like so I I can continue to rip you a new one I would really appreciate it" I really don't think that whoever he's talking to is sticking around for an encore. But, I certainly could be wrong
@shinoobidanАй бұрын
there are two constants when dealing with warframe: at least 90% of the community is lost on mechanics, and power creep.
@roo837
Ай бұрын
Been playing since 2014 and I still HATE how little is actually explained when concerning builds. I have dropped the game recently in the past year because I'm just so sick of having to look up KZread videos or scour Wiki pages for information that should be provided in some basic form. I'm one of those people and yes I'm mad lol.
@MonkeyCurler
Ай бұрын
I'm getting tired with the power creep part. It's like every new Warframe released has to nuke harder than the last. Hell, I'm back to playing Equinox because I, at least, have to "work" for it, but even she still trivializes content. Any new weapon that isn't incarnon is either trash or simply subpar. The grinds suck now since loot frames can't do the big loot stuff; it's all tied to final mission reward and ascension is just another lame defense mission. In regards to the rant, I seriously can't believe most players haven't caught on to how easy this game is now. Newbies are excluded since the intro is still ass, but those 6 months+ should be ashamed
@matowakan
Ай бұрын
true
@robotic-race
Ай бұрын
60% of the community has no idea how to build. 90% of the online build discourse has the issues you mentioned
@kleefirestar
22 күн бұрын
Warframe isnt even meant to be hard
@julio1759Ай бұрын
"I need to press more than 1 button?! It doesn't play the game for me?! TRASH"
@artemiswillhelm2633
Ай бұрын
Same reason people say Dante is bad 😩🙌
@yahwehra1771
Ай бұрын
@@artemiswillhelm2633 Dante strong af lol
@lookalike4805
Ай бұрын
They are all Former *Wukong* Mains... So it Checks out 👍
@tiekogalaxylatte8839
Ай бұрын
@@artemiswillhelm2633 And Lavos also
@thund3r682
Ай бұрын
@@artemiswillhelm2633Post nerf Dante is still an A rank frame. He is still strong
@NovaUmbralАй бұрын
This is the result of an extremely casual focused player base, when theres some semblance of critical building required, we end up in a scenario like this.
@dankmemes8254
Ай бұрын
Case and point limbo
@lookalike4805
Ай бұрын
To be fair.... The game doesn't explain what Quadratic Scaling is nor do I think it's appropriate for it to have anything that Functions that way. Being Casual is Fine.... There's nothing wrong with Warframe being Designed for Casuals.... Being a Moron is something else All together 👀
@redfiend8746
Ай бұрын
@@dankmemes8254The problem with Limbo is everyone else has to deal with Limbo's bullshit too.
@glasses7190
Ай бұрын
@@dankmemes8254this meme is old and unfunny limbo is not a troll frame anymore... In fact no one even hardly plays limbo in pubs anymore
@thund3r682
Ай бұрын
@@dankmemes8254Limbos are going extinct bruh
@PurpleFlurpWFАй бұрын
I don’t usually comment on gameplay-related videos, but I wanted you to know that your Jade builds have worked excellently for me and I’m having an absolute blast with her because of them. Keep on doin what you’re doin, duder 💜
@Aznvasions
Ай бұрын
Thank you very much
@perturabo149
Ай бұрын
@@Aznvasionsbro, i think you are really good at what you do, not on the level of dystopia bs (if you know you know), but one of the best for this, mainly because i can get every build you make, use it and be effective with it
@stuart0wnzАй бұрын
for those of you running 175 efficiency btw, please dont use Streamline + Fleeting unless you got something with negative Efficiency. Boreals Hatred gives you 15% efficiency + 65% shield max + 20% damage reduction while airborne (which you'll be as you fly). this with Fleeting gives you the exact same efficiency which is cap
@eyywannn8601
Ай бұрын
So if you want max fleeting, run it with Hatred instead of R4 Streamline?
@lunarezlycablood1838
Ай бұрын
this is only true on fire-and-forget ability. On channeling ability since the negative duration will not be easily fixable with Primed Continuty especially if you use Transient Fortitude as well. Using both Fleeting Expertise + Transient Fortitude + Prime Continuty + Boreal Hatred will result in 67.5% duration and at 175% efficiency, you end up with 37% ability cost (which is 50% more from 25% minimal-cap ability cost. To fix 67.5% duration, you either need 190% efficiency, or you bring Molt Efficiency to bring duration up.
@siri7005
Ай бұрын
He specifically mentions in the video that efficiency above cap matters for the cost calculation of channeled abilities.
@monkaeyes3417
Ай бұрын
@@lunarezlycablood1838 I just use 1 crimson shard for that
@stuart0wnz
Ай бұрын
@@siri7005 I missed that part thanks for the clarification, but even so imo the extra shields and damage reduction from Boreals is much more valuable imo for the loss of 15% efficiency on duration. after all the cost itself of casting and detonatin your 4 doesn't change. you're probably losing like 0.5?? energy drain but gaining much more comfort for survivability.
@flackenstienАй бұрын
"There are people telling me she sucks, or that she's unusable." There is no shot someone who played her said that. I cannot believe that. It's impossible. HOW does someone come to that conclusion??
@Aznvasions
Ай бұрын
Primarily because either they follow a 45% or 100% Eff build without realizing the limitations or requirements needed to make it work, or they mod her 4 assuming it works like a normal weapon and filling it up with stuff that does absolutely nothing for her altfire. Then trying to use her altfire and saying it sucks.
@natsukiichika3171
Ай бұрын
Me who build her to use normally and not specificifically her 4th i gotta say...she is not broken...but still pretty busted.
@rinz5027
Ай бұрын
Day 1 of Jade Shadows, one guy in region chat goes "how is Jade?" when I bought her and built her day one, others went "I heard she's kinda underwhelming" and that was probably the most hilarious thing ever
@flackenstien
Ай бұрын
Even on my extremely basic build I've been using to get a feel for her, which has 156% Duration, 145% Efficiency, 100% Range, and 223% Strength, with Energize and Barrier for Arcanes, I was having absolutely no issues. Actually, I lied. I had issues with her ult's damage at first, but I that's because I forgot to Mod it. Once I slapped Mods on Glory she felt super good. Do I think she is as "broken" as Dante on release? No, but her ability to nuke anything from anywhere on repeat at the press of a button is NOT unplayable. Honestly, I was hoping she was less of a killer and more of a support, lol.
@dreameater7777
Ай бұрын
I said the same thing!! You have to be TERRIBLE at the game to think that. She has two forma slots! TWO! LOL that alone basically makes her OP in the best way.
@XealexxАй бұрын
This back and forth is healthy for a frame, and I'd say it should be kept that way. We don't need people saying a frame is garbage when they clearly can't listen, and we don't need people saying a frame is OP because we all know her playstyle is not for everybody and clearly has some serious downsides. We need to push for the happy medium, and if ignorance necessitates that, so be it
@atoma_5176Ай бұрын
never heard Az so angry lmao
@perturabo149
Ай бұрын
i wasn't surprised, knowing how this community has the "special needs" players and how bipolar it is, it could make someone lose its marbles
@miinpajamas6680
Ай бұрын
its like when the nice teacher start raging at the class and ppl go silent
@vexecutioner5907
Ай бұрын
"I'm TIRED of all these mfkn [Primed Fulmination] on this mfkn frames!!"
@FairusArcАй бұрын
I'm running 45% efficiency and I'm not really having any energy issues
@Aznvasions
Ай бұрын
That's perfectly fine if you can make it work. I have people complaining on 45 Eff and 100 Eff builds saying they have 0 energy, when they could just migrate to 175 Eff to fix the problem.
@tspin5642
Ай бұрын
@@Aznvasionssounds like they are just bad at the game. Did they ever think to watch their energy every once in a while.
@umarrr454
Ай бұрын
@@Aznvasions I run her on 60% effi (rank 7 blind rage) to shield gate with her 1 and her alt fire energy consumption (catalyzing shields + brief respite + 4 augur mods) - duplex bond, verglas, 2 effectiveness on energy orb tau shards and energize keep her energy bar at 80%+ most of the time. making her alt fire consume energy was actually a really nice decision on the dev part because you don't have to spam a useless ability but can deal damage while surviving on shield gate. Total stats without arcane or operator buffs: 199% duration 60% efficiency 214% range 181% strength Btw did you try to mod her exalted for slash damage yet? Because I'm seeing slash procs from time to time.
@kevinluu7024
Ай бұрын
Same with 1 purple shard for the mini equilibrium
@Mandingy24
Ай бұрын
I experimented with multiple setups and what i landed on that works really well for me is 130% efficiency with equilibrium and primed flow. The primed flow is mostly for comfort but not really necessary, plus i dont really have something i would wanna put in that slot There's very few frames i feel can comfortably run 45% efficiency without having to stack basically every energy economy thing, and more often than not even when you do that you're losing far more than you're gaining just to have that much power strength
@josmith4832Ай бұрын
Most players just have skill issues and only wana press 2 buttons and kill everything and call themselves op but when it comes to actually making a good build and using some brain cells to play they call it trash not good
@bagusprayogo7025
Ай бұрын
that about warframe abilities, u'd be surprised if I tell u that I once met a Legendary 3 that doesn't even understand how multishot n galv apt/shot/savvy works it's just.... wow
@whysoserious4274
Ай бұрын
@@bagusprayogo7025they just follow builds on yt Don’t even stay to hear how certain mods work lol
@FlashesSoccer011
Ай бұрын
@whysoserious4274 when you can steamroll 99.99% of content without paying attention, why would anyone actually care how the mods work?
@whysoserious4274
Ай бұрын
@@FlashesSoccer011 yeah it’s not great being a horde game all you gotta do is deal a lot of dmg kill a lot of enemies and fast There’s no need to know the mechanics of the game it’s sad really
@FlashesSoccer011
Ай бұрын
@whysoserious4274 I agree. I love warframe, but it will never be a very mechanic heavy game. The only real challenge is the enemy does more damage, or has more armor. I agree, it's sad.
@badkali2324Ай бұрын
Azn’s disappointed dad moment. But seriously tho, i like how if it takes more than 2 buttons to kill a whole room and doesnt hit for colorful billions the avg smoothbrain wf player’s automatic response is “it’s trash.”
@toblerone1729
Ай бұрын
If any of those morons went to the first days of the game they'd realize that people back then actually had to work together 😆 Imagine no Energize, no helminth abilities, no armor stripping, no extra revives for maxed arcanes, no arcanes period, SELF DAMAGE, none of that
@thetruestar6348Ай бұрын
Warframe community not reading and not listening
@lookalike4805
Ай бұрын
In other words... Warframe just being Warframe 😎
@toblerone1729
Ай бұрын
Not the game but the players, more like
@Lego_Ninjago_
Ай бұрын
Ironic figuring in the original video he himself did say to use primed fulmination and other mods that don't work.
@vedvedov4494Ай бұрын
In defense of the haters, you did have primed fulmination in your first alt fire build, in your video (you may have mentioned it somewhere in the comments later, but I never saw it, like others probably didn't)
@Aznvasions
Ай бұрын
I apologize and clarify that wasn't supposed to be there. I didn't even realize that was the case. I tried to replace the footage I had at the time, so I'm guessing that one snuck through the cracks.
@xxxfirefart
Ай бұрын
It doesn't help that knightmareframe made a jade video that stressed that fulmination does effect it. So I'm guessing that misinformation got pretty widespread
@Lego_Ninjago_
Ай бұрын
Galvanized Diffusion and Point Strike too.
@fredf96Ай бұрын
Well I use a Dethcube with Energy Generator and Seismic Bond as my main companion anyway. Free efficiency for all of the duration of Glory, because it's a channeled ability. It feels nice.
@Aznvasions
Ай бұрын
That's a REALLY good choice for her tbh because of the perma 4 that some builds use
@nat-fs3msАй бұрын
personally i think most people aren't used to playing a more active frame like jade. dante, even though he needs more inputs to nuke, has generous s and tremendous and continuous overguard regen, debuff and support via his book. hes the full package and is very difficult to die as, jade enjoys no such luxuries, so to survive you have to zone properly with your 1 casts, maintain energy to keep ophanim eyes up and preferably use her ability strength aura to boost alt fire so it can scale better. overall shes harder to use than dante and i think thats what people are finding contention with in your previous video. not that i personally care though, jade is good but volt with dual ichor influence or several variations of nezha currently outperform both jade and dante in base sp.
@daSora_1
Ай бұрын
Yeah I agree, but honestly I think designs like jade and Dante are way more healthy for the game, you should have to put in some effort to see these results. Frames that can just spam one button and nuke the whole map should be a quirk of old frames, new frames imo should need to have more thought and intricacies in their kit to be able to do that. The end result is that you have a unique gameplay loop that differentiates itself from one button spammers but still see similar results. If people want to mindlessly spam a nuke then there’s tons of frames that can do that already.
@CuppaBro1Ай бұрын
You're having the same joker moment about people calling Jade bad that I had about the same situation with Dante, people acting like morons and making it the game's problem. Been there.
@mahfujulhaque4913Ай бұрын
With only 3 needing duration and other abilities working with base duration just fine, pillage is incredibly good instead of her 3. Provided you run 76 duration, you can insta strip with str boost from 2 and gain overshields for survivability in mere seconds. With 200+ range you hit in around 30+ meters radius. Used it myself, works wonderfully.
@0ceanManieАй бұрын
The problem for build crafting for me is that most of these nuke build utilize things that I haven’t gotten around to yet or I don’t have the ability to readily grab them, so instead I have to make some Frankenstein amalgamation with what I have. Though it is kinda fun to test things out to see what works and what doesn’t and then look forward to when I am able to get my hands on those extra means
@technoviking2415Ай бұрын
Skill and not watching a video properly issue.
@toblerone1729
Ай бұрын
And not using brain hard enough to adapt a build to their playstyle if they (for whatever reason) can't make Azn's builds to work
@chrislicon4833Ай бұрын
I hear emotion and passion in my daddy azn voice! Haters started a fire.......
@noahedenborg4221
Ай бұрын
And that fire burns
@JulianTung083Ай бұрын
What is the build of your tenet glaxion? I get the mods of your build but didnt know what primary arcane did you use
@Aznvasions
Ай бұрын
It was on the weapon platform version of her that doesn't use her 4. The 4 build has no use for the Glaxion in particular, however, in theory, you can use the nightwave mod if you ever happen to run out of energy to quickly get some energy orbs back.
@Ima9ineBreak3rАй бұрын
I watched your video on Jade when she came out, and it was very enlightening to understand the nuances of her alt fire versus primary fire in her ultimate. I was able to come up with a build that I really enjoyed, and I think she's an incredibly strong frame. I'm just hoping she won't get nerfed…
@hsmorg3640Ай бұрын
Ok, another question, on the Glory build, you can drop Primed Heated Charge for Scorch, and it'll give more Status chance.. and drop Pathogen Rounds for Augur Pact. Status - 44% Heat - 646.8 (nearly 200 more) Corrosive - 909.6 (nearly 400 more) Total - 1,556.4 (a little over 500 more) Or do these changes do something negatively that im not noticing?
@Aznvasions
Ай бұрын
This works much better for a hybrid build where you will both shoot and altfire Glory. That type of build also can choose either the original Altfire Nuke Jade build I showcased, or lean towards the weapon platform variant I have listed as Build 3 in my original video. If you want to go the hybrid route, and are using Glory for DPS rather than normal weapons, Archon Vitality is something to consider for better heat scaling. Due note that Strength gives Glory base damage, and Augur Pact does very little in this particular case, as it's additive to strength instead of multiplicative.
@shinnokshogun8414Ай бұрын
It’s sad that most players that are copy and paste build users and still can’t get it right 🤦🏽♂️ if they take the time and learn mechanics and how this and that works instead of “copy this and copy that” they’ll know exactly how to build. Definitely skill issue
@lookalike4805
Ай бұрын
It's actually worse than that because they failed to even Copy the Build in the First Place. 👀
@RanRayu
Ай бұрын
main problem is not the players, it is warframe for not giving all the info when modding. for example, nowhere is shown how much damage reduction she has in her 4th when using aviator. nowhere is shown how the dmg on a weapon is calculated. you cannot blame the players for not knowing something when they are not given the info.
@toblerone1729
Ай бұрын
I'm sorry, but you can't blame the game when it still gives you the info (read: energy costs going up when you have less than 100% efficiency), you choose to ignore it, you mash buttons and realize like three seconds later than you blew your energy away mindlessly Even worse if you blame a builder that has given you plenty of alternatives when you can also adapt it for your own use, not to mention that builds are NOT absolute, you do NOT have to copypasta them and fully expect them to work without understanding how they work
@Sci-Fi_Freak_YT
Ай бұрын
@@RanRayuthat is a problem but that doesn’t apply in this case, it’s just people outright ignoring basic mechanics.
@TraumJagerАй бұрын
As someone who's been playing jade alot recently, all I got out of this is that they are going to make her alt fire scale with base damage. Thats nice. I love jade
@wall6587Ай бұрын
This is why we cant have hard content, people just want to no brain everything. This is why revenant is the most played warframe, cuz its op without having to use brain. People just want to revenant torid kill thing and when something requires more setup they call it bad
@blink8235Ай бұрын
I've noticed that she feels more comfortable to play with mods like Aviator and Adaptation. When I don't want to use Arcane Aegis, it frees up space for better arcanes like Arcane Velocity or any other arcane that boosts my DPS. However, in my experience, her flight mode can be a bit janky. It seems like moving causes a slight delay in firing her exalted weapon. Would be really nice if we could use our weapons in flight or at least just a secondary. No I don't think that would be busted 🤭 especially w sentient surge ocucor and her free armor strip👌
@Reapz8888Ай бұрын
Thanks for continuing to provide the best and most detailed content for warframe, you’re truly the goat Az. Btw I have a question. I know you said Dante is better at nuking in Endurance and Jade is better for base SP, but can Jade actually kill with her 4 alt fire up to lvl cap or would it just be more effective to use weapons at that point? (With armor strip)
@NebulaSparrowАй бұрын
You know… I’ve been watching you for a long time, two years I think. I have to say, I preferred this video with all its raw, unpolished edges more than the usual ultra polished presentations. As a result, you’ve convinced me to give Jade another try and I’ll go watch your main video too. I think I’ll still prefer Dante but we’ll see 😊
@uneedpuns1713Ай бұрын
I took her into archmidea and she did very well nuking and surviving confused how others say she weak
@ShadowRachoАй бұрын
Have you noticed the alt fire does ips damage instead of heat damage. Do you know if this is intentional, de should add it in the modding menu if the alt fire is meant to have different stats to the normal fire. Oh also the alt fire does do heat in the simulacrum but in actual missions it does ips
@Aznvasions
Ай бұрын
I am aware, to me this is a bug. But I don't know why it does this. I have random slash procs from time to time. I don't know if this has something to do with placeholder stats, due to her altfire stats being listed in the ability section instead of on the weapon itself. It's...very weird.
@ShadowRacho
Ай бұрын
@@Aznvasionsyea it’s really annoying me because I’m trying to set up a blast build for it but the extra damage types are messing with the weighting making it inconsistent. Still gets the job done I just know it could be better if the bug was fixed. Honestly surprised to hear people think she’s bad though
@apache6111Ай бұрын
I really wanted to get her but I had no idea what to think because of all the hate. I saw a comment literally saying that if you are a content creator and say Jade is good "you are affecting the community", I don't understand what people want at this point. Maybe an unkillable autosustainable frame, capable of nuking, with a full cc kit with crazy aoe capabilities that just needs 1 button to delete an entire room but has to be fun at the same time lol. If it's not Saryn or Revenant then is trash for them. After watching your video, I think I will definitely go for her
@irtalАй бұрын
Another thing Note worthy which I assume you're probably aware of, but might be interesting for anyone else reading. in regards to Survivability the sentinel Shade(doesn't matter which version) has a Precept Mod called Ghost which will literally make you go invisible when within 24m of an enemy Which normally wouldn't be all that great, but here's the catch your 1st ability and your altfire do not break that stealth, meaning you're fully capable of staying permanently cloaked while using your full nuke rotation, over and over. the stealth only breaking once there's no enemies within 24m of you. effectively making you immortal even at level cap content 👍
@MoskyrathАй бұрын
Can guarantee theres people saying whatever you make a video on is doing trash damage and is garbage. It's everywhere you go. Unless you do exactly what they want theres gonna be haters. Best to just ignore them
@user-jy4jz1jk8kАй бұрын
The only thing ive found thats wrong with her is sometimes the eyes skill will just not revive teamate and will stutter like your spamming x on her.
@user-jy4jz1jk8k
Ай бұрын
I meant spamming x on the teamate to revive them.
@octopusevent9248Ай бұрын
A better streamer/youtuber than me. Id have made a community post saying "everyone else is wrong and tests bad" and leave it at that.
@Daniel._..Ай бұрын
Love the slow video style for explaining
@ankokuravenАй бұрын
Ive run out of energy on Jade because i suck at paying attention Thats it. I've had zero problems with her energy economy. Im absolutely loving the frame. Im using your builds and a couple I tweaked for fun to try out. Shes in a good place. My only real issue with her is a me issue and that's running the lower duration builds and juggling which aura is up if I'm using weapons or her primary fire. Thats it Shes fun
@deuterium2718Ай бұрын
fr im running 45 efficiency with no nourish, no energize, and still maintaining energy while using 1 + alt fire nuke, get to 155 duration and its still only 5 e/s
@savitargod0fspeed290Ай бұрын
YOU ARE A GOD! You just gave me the solution without even knowing on how to proc "Archon Intesify" more often!
@Zwidu621Ай бұрын
this is why i love catch up new videos - in this case the voice of reason 🙏
@LuxanderBelАй бұрын
The fact that people still use Overframe should have been a loud indicator that the warframe playerbase cannot make a build on their own if their life depended on it. A majority of warframe content on youtube are just build showcases, and while not the content creators fault by any means, the consumers just eat it up without an understand of how different systems work. They just want their new toy to make big numbers and thats it. A double edged sword for CCs - casual playerbase provide the views, but also leave unbearable comments. I can't even imagine what the comment section on your Wuwa videos look like.
@samuelchvojka7815Ай бұрын
You are expecting too much critical thinking from this heavy ADHD community. Unless you talk about red crits it's hard for them to follow. Nonetheless I appretiate the time and effort you have put into this research. Been enjoying Jade a lot and your videos were very helpful. Thank you.
@ultimatechad8738Ай бұрын
Gotta love the two sides of the same coin, either Jade is broken or trash no in-between opinions for the community apparently
@thetruestar6348
Ай бұрын
There no WAY they think she is trash
@ergosum5001
Ай бұрын
You must be new here. Welcome to the WF community - where anything that doesn't practically play itself must be MR fodder.
@colby8104
Ай бұрын
Warframe does have one of the lowest skill player bases I've seen in gaming. There's many people out there who have over 1000 hours played and still don't know how to do spy missions. Mostly because the community is full of leechers who expect people to carry the mission while they go and try to level up there weapons 8 rooms away from a mobile defense point. I've had multiple recent game sessions where I was the only person in the same room as the objective while the time ticked down.
@nib6383
Ай бұрын
No one that understands anything about the game thinks she's terrible
@erichdegurechaff9515
Ай бұрын
@@colby8104 Yes, today I encounter a Legendary 2 on Ascension SP that was just AFK in the elevator, he just walk to dodge jade light
@NeitinellАй бұрын
dunno what peoples problem is, like up to maybe lvl 500 its fine, after that i start struggling too. still have to figure out how to make her survive that without vazarin.
@johny54lifeАй бұрын
I’ve level capped with jade in both sp disruption and void cascade At around lvl 2000 her 1st and 4th abilities become completely useless so I replaced glory with nourish. Jade really is support based at best so don’t expect room clears from her glory after lvl 1000. I’ve spammed her 2nd for shield buff thing is her kit is very energy reliant so I had to throw in arcane steadfast and energize. I find jade best built for strength and duration Her aura kit I threw on Brief respite and holster amp because after a certain level her abilities just can’t keep up with the dps enemies put out and becomes highly dependent on your weapon and operator setup. I’m a trinity main and I feel like I survived more with trinity than with jade at lvl cap
@fantasticoproductionАй бұрын
it is wild the variety of takes there have been on jade. I've got a build now that works well for me as a "daily driver" and very happy with her power level. Just swapped her 3 with pillage to help with "slower"/directional strip and a bit of surviability i was skill issuing with (i think now that was just because jade lasers were really bad for a bit last week...) really like jade, she's a really powerful and fun frame to play for me, i love to provide some buffs for teammates too :)
@AvelitheАй бұрын
Hi there, how did you get those Diviri ghost-looking owls behind you? I want them so bad. ;-;
@hackfeatherstep9955
Ай бұрын
They’re dantes noctua birds they’re on the shop if you search noctua paragrimm itll come up
@PraviousFabouleАй бұрын
I didn't even know about this drama, even while leveling and slapping mods by eyeballing and doing guesswork after 5 minutes reading the abilities she was working okay, nothing crazy of course because I am not a genius but I never thought after 5 minutes reading "man this wf sucks because I didn't make her work". That is as dumb as it gets, some of the new warframes are getting more nuanced in their design and need more than "put everything in power and press 4" and I think that is great for the game
@stratoabyss3187Ай бұрын
I've gone back to reference your video several times, and my main problem is that I'm just not fast enough to handle everything just yet. But I love how she plays and I will learn how to play her, and I love how she works under your guidance.
@tspin5642Ай бұрын
Jade is a different warframe.and she cares about stats that most warframes with similar abilities don’t care about. Now for what I actualy want to talk about. Jade,Dante,dagoth,seems like every warframe reciently has zero problems and is completely self sufficient. For heavens sake the new short frame can nuke and if that’s not enough she armors trips by looking at someone. It’s almost like de wants all the new frames to do everything. I personally don’t think that’s a good idea. Like dagoth can be an immortal tank (sort of like revanant) but can also be a super good nuke or good weapons platform. Old prime warframes like chroma,nyx,trinity have kits that barely function and compared to the new frames don’t function at all. Like why would you play chroma at all night now when 90% of frames can do a part of his kit better Why would I play trinity when I could be playing Jade. Heck why would I play wisp when Jade is here doing everything wisp can do but better. Why would I play nyx like seriously give me any reason to use her. An operator arcane does her kit but better. The power creep in the last few frames has been nuts. And I wish de would stop making these good in every situation frames. When I heard Jade was going to be a support frame I was hoping for an easier to use trinity with some sort of gimmick. What we got was a dnd cleric chucking health options. Everywhere and while calling in a tactical air strike. I would love to see some Jade nerfs just like Dante I feel that the Dante nerfs were good for the game overall. Thanks for listening to my talk
@Mike-pb7tk
Ай бұрын
To support what you've said frost is also now a capable strip and damage frame on top of his ability to support and cc 🤣 They are indeed making every frame capable of pretty much everything
@FlashesSoccer011
Ай бұрын
Only thing I disagree with is stating that Jade does what wisp does but better. Jade is good, but Wisp is the queen
@Mike-pb7tk
Ай бұрын
@@FlashesSoccer011 agreed, wisp is God tier
@saintpres4ge533
Ай бұрын
Some credit for Wisp, is that you're only really focusing on her motes, Movement speed + Attack speed + Fire rate, isn't really something that a lot of frames can do, Volt is one of the only others. Also with reservoirs wisp can slap down 3 sets of Health and Speed, and do other stuff, can subsume her 4th to be something like Proteas Dispensery or something and then have infinite ammo, energy, etc. She has her place, she isn't top tier, but she can make some weapons to build for other players god like, like +100% attackspeed for melees meaning you're doubling or more their DPS
@FlashesSoccer011
Ай бұрын
@saintpres4ge533 did you just say wisp isn't top tier? Are you insane? She's God tier. She's in the argument for best frame in the game. This is an asinine take.
@MidwayWuzzupmanАй бұрын
A few thoughts from messing with and adjusting Jade over the course of the update: -Archon Intensify does work in Simulacrum, but not in actual missions, so it's likely a bug that will get fixed. -Archon Vitality does add 2 stacks of heat proc per second for her 1 and 3; IMO this is an auto-include on all builds. -Like any frame with a channeled ability, Arcane Energize is a great choice for helping with her economy. It's not a bad idea to swap Fleeting Expertise for Streamline and use those Archon Shards for other things -Archon Topaz does affect her Glory just like it would Mesa's Peacekeepers.
@ez4674Ай бұрын
what do you run on that glory build for corpus or do you just keep i the same @Aznvasions
@Aznvasions
Ай бұрын
If it's high enough level (as in some weird L200+ stuff on SP), I just put her on Mag Toxin. Usually I rarely have a reason to actually do that outside of experimenting with stuff.
@ez4674
Ай бұрын
@@Aznvasions o ok i was just wondering becuase the polaraties dont support deep freeze and thank you for responding so fast
@komiya6672Ай бұрын
Thanks actually, I was totally lost at how build her and a lot of people told me to put full strength and no efficiency and high duration, tired those builds and was not having much fun till I saw your video today and tried your build, now I'm having more fun playing Jade. Thanks
@That_RiverАй бұрын
Question: why run Umbral Intensify over Archon Intensify? Sorry if I missed you mention that Edit: Never mind, just tried it out and doesn't seem worth it. When flying around archon intensify doesn't trigger often enough, umbral intensify way is more consistent
@Josephkerr101Ай бұрын
Your advice made her way more playable than I was initially making her. Your facts are straight but those critics are bent.
@monkaeyes3417Ай бұрын
Just a question because there are smart people here. On Glory, if its only really the secondary fire that matters, is creeping bullseye better than primed pistol gambit?
@soulechelon2643Ай бұрын
what I try to do is make my own build and see how it works before I look for outside sources. While I'm a Warframe vet, I actually don't know alot about current "metas" and etc. All I ended up doing was check out Jade's abilities/passives, and then look into the recent stat changes. Built a build off of that and she's been awesome so far, though just glancing at these builds in the vid tells me I need to watch that other Jade video mentioned lol. Still, I can be perpetually in her alt form and fly around like the biblically accurate angel that she is. Heck with so many things she brings to the table I thought she might be overpowered. Very surprised to hear people are having so much trouble.
@Hashtag_JagSwagАй бұрын
I’m wondering why rolling guard is used over adaptation or boreals hatred. Can you roll while in her 4 to prock it?
@Aznvasions
Ай бұрын
Yes, she can! she does a small aerial lunge and activates the effects of Rolling Guard. It was also for the times when I come out of her 4, as I don't have PSF on that build.
@xxxfirefart
Ай бұрын
You can roll while in jades 4th
@Hashtag_JagSwag
Ай бұрын
@@AznvasionsAh good to know, she finishes building for me later tonight I’ll definitely try it out!
@erositi24Ай бұрын
I did an hour survival on steel path with her. Using primary fire. I had blast,toxin,radiation and corrosive on her. It's a cake walk. I had 45 efficiency and never ran out. People just don't know how to use their builds
@xxyoboigxxАй бұрын
Genuine question to those who have already tested it; if you modded her exalted weapon for electric and equip archon flow, would the "+1 energy for every elctric proc on skill cast" proc cuz the exalted weapon is part of her skills? I feel like it'd be kinda crazy if that was the case.
@MorteWulfeАй бұрын
Soooooo, I saw Jade in SP Duviri. I used the base version and helped the team get to 7 plus stages with mobs well in the thousands. I was able to heal them, revive from a distance and armor strip with glory. This was the BASE version, since I don't have her yet even now. Oh and my weapon selection sucked too...
@toblerone1729
Ай бұрын
I see no better example of how Jade actually is vs how morons spam her abilities for 3s, running out of energy, and saying that she sucks
@ArgomundoАй бұрын
I see you have commited the mistake of overestimating people. Dont worry, you'll do it again
@ceezee1229Ай бұрын
I made my first build for her in 1 minute, I made a balanced build with duration/strength/range and neutral efficiency and felt it was pretty good, I knew if I looked up a build it would prolly be different from mine and this video shows that. I like my build because I’m lazy and recasting abilities is kinda annoying to me, I have decent strength and range so I get a little bit from the buffs. I run brief respite and spam 3 to get shields back, and yea alt fire spam is strong, I run flow and don’t really have a problem, ofc like any spam build there’s moments when I need to get energy but I like running weapons platforms anyway so I don’t have a problem there either. Can’t really see how someone can say jade is bad when all of the problems are fixable.
@fumacziАй бұрын
about fulmination you DID have it in the build in last jade video at 7:40 i was confused about that part too
@Aznvasions
Ай бұрын
That is my error. I originally was testing it when I was making the video and found out it didn't work. I tried to replace all the footage as I was editing, and it seemed some slipped through the cracks. I've been told this a few times over the last hour, and I'm sorry I failed you there. I will do better and look over my footage better next time. I am hoping that was the only time it popped up in the video during the discussion.
@KeezyTwoTimesКүн бұрын
Aren’t u supposed to be able to snapshot power of seven with deathbringer and spirit of resilience… Or I’m tweakin?
@basedx.Ай бұрын
Azzywazzy got the angy? Hell is gonna freeze over, wtf
@aroth1330Ай бұрын
about the folks that running 45 or 100 eff that somehow got no energy in the middle of their experience with jade, they can easily negate by mix in equi and energize together if they don't want to run 175. but that just me tho, i havent completely find my "good enough" build for jade but im trying to make it works. jade is a good warframe but you need to put alot of brain just to make her works. i've seen this type of same problem with garuda when she first came out with people saying that she's suck and cant nuke and her kits are all sucks. but in reality, she's a good frame IF people put some effort to build her. this is goes the same with jade, she can be good IF people try to put some effort to build her and understand how her kits worked
@astellas4856Ай бұрын
I had so much respect for old players when I first started playing, I thought how complicated Warframe is and it must be so cool to understand how mods work, I watched “cool” KZreadrs who made unreal builds and I thought “wow this mod is so beautiful when Will I have these? It’s probably a disappointment that at rank 25 I understand that all of these were just cringe builds for fun, and the community uses the same build for any frame. Then I started watching how 25 MR teammates failed the defense at Arbitration, failed the hunt for Eidolons, complained that the farming index was too complicated, and void cascades were too confusing. Now I still think maybe I’m stupid and doing something wrong, I can’t believe the sterility of this community
@danomaly8943
Ай бұрын
Those are the “new” veterans. Most of those players where the MR10-16 who complained when you taught them how to play the game. MR doesn’t mean anything. The new vets don’t know shit
@TexnPaАй бұрын
Brother, you don't have to say anything. Your game. Love your content and ty for what you do
@krlm777Ай бұрын
Tbh I never ran out of energy for jade @ 130 efficiency. I use equilibrium and energy generator dethcube with duplex and shivering contagion but I still ran out of energy @ 75 efficiency, I actually haven't tried 100 efficiency but 130 is very comfortable in terms of having a down time due to bad spawn on pubs. My biggest issue with jade though is glory's alt fire modding I wish it took base damage, multishot and fire rate into account. Also let me leave a tip here for using jade, use madurai sling 2x -> cast 2 (ability strength) -> cast 4 -> switch 2 to weapon damage. This is how I start every mission and how I get decent damage as jade.
@PiLipOppaАй бұрын
I love how you're telling off these scrubs. ❤️
@mr.totitus7584Ай бұрын
Az, you gotta understand, most of WF players are only able to play things that don't require more than 1 or 2 buttons pressed 😂. PD I can't believe that this video was necessary, the other one was very good on understanding jade
@FxverDreamАй бұрын
I also feel along with multishot and base dmg not scaling with her 4’s blast, her 3rd ability needs to be buffed from 70 to a 90-100 degree angle because it’s a bit clunky. They also probably need to fix the weird delay with casting her 1 and not being able to do anything for a hot second
@InhaleThisАй бұрын
I see how knighmare frame feels now
@midegola5623Ай бұрын
my build has negative eff, but i also have on rage. i hav inf nrg as long as theres no one there spamming overgaurd.
@D00melfАй бұрын
Idk how others build her to have energy issues, but I've never had any at base efficiency with energize and equilibrium.
@SneakybeakyScrubАй бұрын
i understand it for frames based around channeled abilities or ones that use shieldgating, but besides that why do you still use energize over streamline? id assume its just you prefer the consistency over the potency when you can build for it but streamline definitely still saves alot more energy than energize gives, and it allows you to cast at 0 energy so its not really different from any intricacies between saving energy or gaining energy
@Aznvasions
Ай бұрын
I believe I have Streamline present on the build. Unless you mean in general. To me, the higher your efficiency is, the more valuable Arcane Energize becomes, because the amount of energy it gives is always fixed. Whereas the cast cost goes down, so one proc of energize restores more "# casts" than before. On neutral or lower efficiency builds, I actually typically prefer Equilibrium, because in big aoe DPSing setups, it usually produces more energy than Energize itself. Energize is mostly just convenience on 100 or lower Eff builds because arcane slots are normally more free than modding slots, but I deem Equilibrium is much better at
@TheBrocktonBlockbustАй бұрын
She doesn't have the KPM. Kit is very synergic and gameplay loop is fun. Nobody is contesting that. It's just that she doesn't have the KPM despite having a DPS kit (and just 1 ability as a support kinda).
@aggammer3485Ай бұрын
Minor (and lengthy) buildcraft and gameplay tips: By using a maxed Fleeting expertise and Boreal's hatred you reach 175%, get 908 base shields (2.2 second shield gate) AND an additional 20% damage reduction, all of that for the same capacity cost as fleeting + streamline (you are taking a larger hit to duration so it depends on the playstyle), combined with aviator and adaptation you can very easily tank base SP without having to rely on heals, the shield buff or arcanes Alt fire glory builds: Unlike what's shown in the video (which im guessing is due to polarities not matching for multiple builds) Creeping Bullseye is better than Primed Pistol Gambit, you get a bit more crit for less capacity and the -fire rate doesn't affect your DPS, additionally if you do not want to use primed faction damage mods you can use the new elementalist mod (+90% status damage) and switch your elements to gas/blast + elec/toxin, this means that every possible proc is affected by the status damage, personally i've found blast+elec (running 60/60 for cold and electric, then the 2 primed mods) with sure shot (normal not galvanized) giving a 62% status chance where both possible procs deal DOT (and elec doing a tick instantly, which is why i gave it slightly better weighting compared to blast) Something most Jades seem to miss is that her 3 and 4 snapshot strength during initial cast on every aspect, this includes the alt fire, meaning you do NOT have to keep her 2 buff on strength the whole time, you can switch to the damage buff if you are doing a primary fire build or switch to the shield buff for the alt fire spam, or if you need neither (since you either have enough DR to outlast the universe or you are killing enemies fast enough to not be bothered by them) then you can switch depending on what your teamates like or need, doing pubs in the event i've found plenty of people who would go down constantly if i didn't have the shield buff active There's 1 shard buff that most people have forgotten and that's the blue shard's max energy buff, if you are not running flow that +50 (or +75 on tau) can greatly help her energy economy by giving her more time to replenish her energy reserves, i highly recommend slotting at least one shard if you aren't running energize or steadfast
@NeightrixPrimeАй бұрын
I've seen enough builds in region chat to know most ppl don't have a clue.
@sheolsheep6168Ай бұрын
I have a rank 1 or 2 arcane energize and that alone is enough to maintain her throughout the entirety of any mission. These people probably didn't mod her exalted or just don't know how to play the game. Glory alone can clear house if modded properly with a non galvanized, non prime mod build
@archfiendzekrom4279Ай бұрын
I hadn’t seen your previous jade video but this really explains why my jade is feeling weak I knew she was strong but didn’t know what to do
@Rogue_InsomniacАй бұрын
Lol I run mine at 75% efficiency not an issue with energy
@deepwinter4263Ай бұрын
Angry Aznvasions is best Aznvasions. Thank you for this follow up video! Jade broke people because they're so used to "number go up, it gud build" mentality.
@ZwavelAzijnАй бұрын
I am under the impression that people who say "Jade sucks" are trying to gaslight people in thinking that, just so we don't get another "heavy-handed Dante nerfs" situation. Just a theory, but it wouldn't surprise me considering the shitfest that were the Dante nerfs and the fact that she is stronger than even pre-nerf Dante
@derpy_jАй бұрын
I've been playing WF now for over 5 years, and I have come to truly enjoy Jade to the point I want to use her in every mission now. The problem with WF right now is that if a Frame doesn't insta nuke with 1 button, its trash; if a weapon isn't AOE, its trash. The community needs to start enjoy these frames for what they are, not for what they expect them to be. I just came out of a 2hour Circuit run using Dante and had ZERO issues with him, and this is post nerf. The point is that a frame doesn't just need the use of 1 ability to be good. For me, a frame that has all their abilities synergize to where you actually don't even need a Helminth; that's fun
@PainX187Ай бұрын
imagine your just getting viewers that spill over from overframe,gg sounds the part
@ShiroNatureАй бұрын
I put one yellow shard for energy orbs and energize and im fine with 75% efficiency. 200+ range and 150% duration with about 200% strength. Honestly u can lose rolling guard and one efficiency mod for either more strength or duration for those slots cuz aviator and aerodynamic already give u so much DR as well with overshields 👍🏻
@PsycordeАй бұрын
I went with Brozime's build for normal attack spam, works great I tried blast instead of heat, using unoptimized alt-fire in the crowd nukes all the same
@robertmurphy7131Ай бұрын
I was planning on checking the other video, but I was just thinking maybe archon intensify might be better if you’re using combat discipline and you’re constantly healing yourself.
@MO-nj7tjАй бұрын
for fleeting expertise replace it with equilibrium for your sanity.
@privatedomicile662724 күн бұрын
Sorry that people are flaming in your comments. I personally appreciate what you do and really like that you show multiple ways to approach a frame instead of just showing one build like it’s the end all be all. Keep doing your thing, dude.
@zenerstorm95Ай бұрын
Okay, I put fire rate on my Glory not for DPS, but for procing Judgement quicker on things so I can use her alt fire. Yes, her 1 does that, but it's nice to be able to contribute with the team with some damage before using the big damage
@rob679Ай бұрын
I guess people try to compare her to Dante where all he needed was to spam Dark Verse in random direction and 70m Tragedy exploded entire tile (because it expedites teammates status too) while she is more like Qorvex where one-shotting is based on enemy density.
@leconenleksa1137Ай бұрын
Umm...she has good dps, good support, armor strip, energy is there if u mod her right.
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I failed to mention that the AoE of her altfire itself ignores LoS and goes through walls, and has 0% falloff. About pre-nerf Dante. Dante is restricted by needing to actually be present where he places marks, and also be present in the general area he casts Tragedy in. Jade does not have this limitation. She can kite everything and kill it from a distance at Base SP, which is where most people play. She can even kill Acolytes easily, which is something Dante actually has minor difficulty with without resorting to weapons. Dante needs to press 3 buttons to nuke, Jade needs to press 2. When the enemy only has a few hundred thousand health, it does not matter that Dante can hit a few for 100s of millions, or a relatively decent sized group for millions, when Jade can still deal the several hundred thousand at range, through walls, from anywhere, at a much larger and spammable rate than Dante can. Dante shines best in endurance, Jade does decent in endurance, but she is significantly better at nuking at Base SP. - *TIMESTAMPS* I'm on Twitch too now! See me live at: www.twitch.tv/aznvasions NEW Gun CO Spreadsheet: tinyurl.com/GunCOv2 0:00 Intro & Context 0:18 My Guess 0:37 Why Many Jade Builds Suck. 1:03 Point 1 | Energy Economy 2:05 Point 1 | Drain & Cast Costs 3:55 Point 2 | Range 4:24 Point 3 | Secondary Outburst vs Combat Discipline/Avenger 5:11 Point 4 | Modding Glory Altfire 6:00 Point 5 | Duration 7:08 Point 6 | Survivability 8:00 Glory Modding Changes In Future 8:22 My Issues with Glory 8:39 My Original Video 8:59 Mission Showcase (No Augmented, No Outburst, No Armor Strip) 10:04 I'm Nerfing My Build Here, Without Energy To Compensate. 10:38 Comparisons
@punkabooiscool1111
Ай бұрын
There... Are other solutions for energy too, for example, I have a 45% efficiency build that runs semi cleanly, it's a mainly survival support
@mikeD1234
Ай бұрын
This game makes me laugh sometimes. When talking about power levels between frames: “Dante needs to press 3 buttons to nuke, Jade needs to press 2”. You aren’t wrong.
@xxapoloxx
Ай бұрын
On the wiki it DOES say it is affected by multishot
@Ianpact
Ай бұрын
@@xxapoloxx The PRIMARY FIRE, the part that shoots out projectiles, is affected by multishot but the ALT-FIRE, the part that detonates targets marked by the first ability or the primary fire, is not.
@benjamin-sg3kh
Ай бұрын
I know this has nothing to do with the video but I found a synergy with arcane melee affliction and voruna's 2. It looks like a feature. Apply the two (multiple times idk which status causes it and the effect is temperamental) while cloaled before meleeing the enemy. Enemies the two spreads to almost instantly die. I used a standard viral slash bane on harmony with melee elementalist. Just wanted to bring this to your attention for a possible build. Thanks a lot, your build vids are the best.
Is this the Aznvasion's coming to Jesus moment that most WF players have the same number of neurons than Jade has auras?
@S0M3GUY778
Ай бұрын
Thats generous my guy 😂
@fran11390
Ай бұрын
It blows my mind how bad most warframe players are. Like most of this game is either well documented or easy to test on your own, but people keep saying verifiably wrong stuff all the time with such confidence. I seriously would love to know what the average warframe player's age is, ain't no way it's higher than 13, I refuse to believe adults could be this dumb.
@basedlordprime
Ай бұрын
@@fran11390 Adults are incredibly fucking dumb lmao.
@dshearwf
Ай бұрын
@@fran11390 it's a f2p game on all platforms powercrept and trivialized the past 4 years to the point a monkey could play it at peak efficiency. Of course this attracts a very... "special" playerbase.
@yahwehra1771
Ай бұрын
Jade is op af 😂 are people dumb?
"This strategy I'm using doesn't work because problem X." "Have you done anything to alleviate problem X?" "Nah it's just a permanent problem." So is brain damage.
@undeadinside3571
Ай бұрын
@@kevinkerwin4118 sometimes modding space is weird. I can eliminate one problem, but then i have a new one. That usually results in 2 builds though. They probably didnt even get that far
@kevinkerwin4118
Ай бұрын
@@undeadinside3571 Well it's more a matter of feasibility. If modding for maximum range puts you in a position where you're weakened, find that balance. People are too accustomed to having everything they want at once that they don't consider making sacrifices to guarantee a compromise.
@matowakan
Ай бұрын
@@undeadinside3571 What's nice about modding though is that you can decide what pros and cons on a build affect you
@undeadinside3571
Ай бұрын
@@matowakan true, but its so hard to min max a frame that wants moat of everything. Protea for example. She likes strength and duration. Only needs a little range (just stretch. Easy enough) and doesnt need efficiency at all. 45% is fine because of dispensary / equillibrium. Only really needing 2 things is easy Jade needs those plus efficiency
@matowakan
Ай бұрын
@@undeadinside3571 With jade, I find that streamline + boreal's hatred + energize is enough as long as you're picking up energy orbs
he sounds like a mad teacher yelling at the class after they failed a test...... its so funnny
@divinehaven347
Ай бұрын
I can't blame him when the students are fluently dumbasses
@funboy221
Ай бұрын
Mind you he gave the class the answers 😂
@gamemasteraj05
Ай бұрын
And optional other answers. And they still didn’t listen
@skinnydelegateofrhyme8637
Ай бұрын
@@gamemasteraj05oh they listened that’s the problem the ones listening are the ones that can’t make ish for themselves
@jamesgoetz4625
Ай бұрын
I was laughing so hard thinking at the end he should say, "you stupid SOB's, could you just shut the ... up! At the end if you could please leave me a like so I I can continue to rip you a new one I would really appreciate it" I really don't think that whoever he's talking to is sticking around for an encore. But, I certainly could be wrong
there are two constants when dealing with warframe: at least 90% of the community is lost on mechanics, and power creep.
@roo837
Ай бұрын
Been playing since 2014 and I still HATE how little is actually explained when concerning builds. I have dropped the game recently in the past year because I'm just so sick of having to look up KZread videos or scour Wiki pages for information that should be provided in some basic form. I'm one of those people and yes I'm mad lol.
@MonkeyCurler
Ай бұрын
I'm getting tired with the power creep part. It's like every new Warframe released has to nuke harder than the last. Hell, I'm back to playing Equinox because I, at least, have to "work" for it, but even she still trivializes content. Any new weapon that isn't incarnon is either trash or simply subpar. The grinds suck now since loot frames can't do the big loot stuff; it's all tied to final mission reward and ascension is just another lame defense mission. In regards to the rant, I seriously can't believe most players haven't caught on to how easy this game is now. Newbies are excluded since the intro is still ass, but those 6 months+ should be ashamed
@matowakan
Ай бұрын
true
@robotic-race
Ай бұрын
60% of the community has no idea how to build. 90% of the online build discourse has the issues you mentioned
@kleefirestar
22 күн бұрын
Warframe isnt even meant to be hard
"I need to press more than 1 button?! It doesn't play the game for me?! TRASH"
@artemiswillhelm2633
Ай бұрын
Same reason people say Dante is bad 😩🙌
@yahwehra1771
Ай бұрын
@@artemiswillhelm2633 Dante strong af lol
@lookalike4805
Ай бұрын
They are all Former *Wukong* Mains... So it Checks out 👍
@tiekogalaxylatte8839
Ай бұрын
@@artemiswillhelm2633 And Lavos also
@thund3r682
Ай бұрын
@@artemiswillhelm2633Post nerf Dante is still an A rank frame. He is still strong
This is the result of an extremely casual focused player base, when theres some semblance of critical building required, we end up in a scenario like this.
@dankmemes8254
Ай бұрын
Case and point limbo
@lookalike4805
Ай бұрын
To be fair.... The game doesn't explain what Quadratic Scaling is nor do I think it's appropriate for it to have anything that Functions that way. Being Casual is Fine.... There's nothing wrong with Warframe being Designed for Casuals.... Being a Moron is something else All together 👀
@redfiend8746
Ай бұрын
@@dankmemes8254The problem with Limbo is everyone else has to deal with Limbo's bullshit too.
@glasses7190
Ай бұрын
@@dankmemes8254this meme is old and unfunny limbo is not a troll frame anymore... In fact no one even hardly plays limbo in pubs anymore
@thund3r682
Ай бұрын
@@dankmemes8254Limbos are going extinct bruh
I don’t usually comment on gameplay-related videos, but I wanted you to know that your Jade builds have worked excellently for me and I’m having an absolute blast with her because of them. Keep on doin what you’re doin, duder 💜
@Aznvasions
Ай бұрын
Thank you very much
@perturabo149
Ай бұрын
@@Aznvasionsbro, i think you are really good at what you do, not on the level of dystopia bs (if you know you know), but one of the best for this, mainly because i can get every build you make, use it and be effective with it
for those of you running 175 efficiency btw, please dont use Streamline + Fleeting unless you got something with negative Efficiency. Boreals Hatred gives you 15% efficiency + 65% shield max + 20% damage reduction while airborne (which you'll be as you fly). this with Fleeting gives you the exact same efficiency which is cap
@eyywannn8601
Ай бұрын
So if you want max fleeting, run it with Hatred instead of R4 Streamline?
@lunarezlycablood1838
Ай бұрын
this is only true on fire-and-forget ability. On channeling ability since the negative duration will not be easily fixable with Primed Continuty especially if you use Transient Fortitude as well. Using both Fleeting Expertise + Transient Fortitude + Prime Continuty + Boreal Hatred will result in 67.5% duration and at 175% efficiency, you end up with 37% ability cost (which is 50% more from 25% minimal-cap ability cost. To fix 67.5% duration, you either need 190% efficiency, or you bring Molt Efficiency to bring duration up.
@siri7005
Ай бұрын
He specifically mentions in the video that efficiency above cap matters for the cost calculation of channeled abilities.
@monkaeyes3417
Ай бұрын
@@lunarezlycablood1838 I just use 1 crimson shard for that
@stuart0wnz
Ай бұрын
@@siri7005 I missed that part thanks for the clarification, but even so imo the extra shields and damage reduction from Boreals is much more valuable imo for the loss of 15% efficiency on duration. after all the cost itself of casting and detonatin your 4 doesn't change. you're probably losing like 0.5?? energy drain but gaining much more comfort for survivability.
"There are people telling me she sucks, or that she's unusable." There is no shot someone who played her said that. I cannot believe that. It's impossible. HOW does someone come to that conclusion??
@Aznvasions
Ай бұрын
Primarily because either they follow a 45% or 100% Eff build without realizing the limitations or requirements needed to make it work, or they mod her 4 assuming it works like a normal weapon and filling it up with stuff that does absolutely nothing for her altfire. Then trying to use her altfire and saying it sucks.
@natsukiichika3171
Ай бұрын
Me who build her to use normally and not specificifically her 4th i gotta say...she is not broken...but still pretty busted.
@rinz5027
Ай бұрын
Day 1 of Jade Shadows, one guy in region chat goes "how is Jade?" when I bought her and built her day one, others went "I heard she's kinda underwhelming" and that was probably the most hilarious thing ever
@flackenstien
Ай бұрын
Even on my extremely basic build I've been using to get a feel for her, which has 156% Duration, 145% Efficiency, 100% Range, and 223% Strength, with Energize and Barrier for Arcanes, I was having absolutely no issues. Actually, I lied. I had issues with her ult's damage at first, but I that's because I forgot to Mod it. Once I slapped Mods on Glory she felt super good. Do I think she is as "broken" as Dante on release? No, but her ability to nuke anything from anywhere on repeat at the press of a button is NOT unplayable. Honestly, I was hoping she was less of a killer and more of a support, lol.
@dreameater7777
Ай бұрын
I said the same thing!! You have to be TERRIBLE at the game to think that. She has two forma slots! TWO! LOL that alone basically makes her OP in the best way.
This back and forth is healthy for a frame, and I'd say it should be kept that way. We don't need people saying a frame is garbage when they clearly can't listen, and we don't need people saying a frame is OP because we all know her playstyle is not for everybody and clearly has some serious downsides. We need to push for the happy medium, and if ignorance necessitates that, so be it
never heard Az so angry lmao
@perturabo149
Ай бұрын
i wasn't surprised, knowing how this community has the "special needs" players and how bipolar it is, it could make someone lose its marbles
@miinpajamas6680
Ай бұрын
its like when the nice teacher start raging at the class and ppl go silent
@vexecutioner5907
Ай бұрын
"I'm TIRED of all these mfkn [Primed Fulmination] on this mfkn frames!!"
I'm running 45% efficiency and I'm not really having any energy issues
@Aznvasions
Ай бұрын
That's perfectly fine if you can make it work. I have people complaining on 45 Eff and 100 Eff builds saying they have 0 energy, when they could just migrate to 175 Eff to fix the problem.
@tspin5642
Ай бұрын
@@Aznvasionssounds like they are just bad at the game. Did they ever think to watch their energy every once in a while.
@umarrr454
Ай бұрын
@@Aznvasions I run her on 60% effi (rank 7 blind rage) to shield gate with her 1 and her alt fire energy consumption (catalyzing shields + brief respite + 4 augur mods) - duplex bond, verglas, 2 effectiveness on energy orb tau shards and energize keep her energy bar at 80%+ most of the time. making her alt fire consume energy was actually a really nice decision on the dev part because you don't have to spam a useless ability but can deal damage while surviving on shield gate. Total stats without arcane or operator buffs: 199% duration 60% efficiency 214% range 181% strength Btw did you try to mod her exalted for slash damage yet? Because I'm seeing slash procs from time to time.
@kevinluu7024
Ай бұрын
Same with 1 purple shard for the mini equilibrium
@Mandingy24
Ай бұрын
I experimented with multiple setups and what i landed on that works really well for me is 130% efficiency with equilibrium and primed flow. The primed flow is mostly for comfort but not really necessary, plus i dont really have something i would wanna put in that slot There's very few frames i feel can comfortably run 45% efficiency without having to stack basically every energy economy thing, and more often than not even when you do that you're losing far more than you're gaining just to have that much power strength
Most players just have skill issues and only wana press 2 buttons and kill everything and call themselves op but when it comes to actually making a good build and using some brain cells to play they call it trash not good
@bagusprayogo7025
Ай бұрын
that about warframe abilities, u'd be surprised if I tell u that I once met a Legendary 3 that doesn't even understand how multishot n galv apt/shot/savvy works it's just.... wow
@whysoserious4274
Ай бұрын
@@bagusprayogo7025they just follow builds on yt Don’t even stay to hear how certain mods work lol
@FlashesSoccer011
Ай бұрын
@whysoserious4274 when you can steamroll 99.99% of content without paying attention, why would anyone actually care how the mods work?
@whysoserious4274
Ай бұрын
@@FlashesSoccer011 yeah it’s not great being a horde game all you gotta do is deal a lot of dmg kill a lot of enemies and fast There’s no need to know the mechanics of the game it’s sad really
@FlashesSoccer011
Ай бұрын
@whysoserious4274 I agree. I love warframe, but it will never be a very mechanic heavy game. The only real challenge is the enemy does more damage, or has more armor. I agree, it's sad.
Azn’s disappointed dad moment. But seriously tho, i like how if it takes more than 2 buttons to kill a whole room and doesnt hit for colorful billions the avg smoothbrain wf player’s automatic response is “it’s trash.”
@toblerone1729
Ай бұрын
If any of those morons went to the first days of the game they'd realize that people back then actually had to work together 😆 Imagine no Energize, no helminth abilities, no armor stripping, no extra revives for maxed arcanes, no arcanes period, SELF DAMAGE, none of that
Warframe community not reading and not listening
@lookalike4805
Ай бұрын
In other words... Warframe just being Warframe 😎
@toblerone1729
Ай бұрын
Not the game but the players, more like
@Lego_Ninjago_
Ай бұрын
Ironic figuring in the original video he himself did say to use primed fulmination and other mods that don't work.
In defense of the haters, you did have primed fulmination in your first alt fire build, in your video (you may have mentioned it somewhere in the comments later, but I never saw it, like others probably didn't)
@Aznvasions
Ай бұрын
I apologize and clarify that wasn't supposed to be there. I didn't even realize that was the case. I tried to replace the footage I had at the time, so I'm guessing that one snuck through the cracks.
@xxxfirefart
Ай бұрын
It doesn't help that knightmareframe made a jade video that stressed that fulmination does effect it. So I'm guessing that misinformation got pretty widespread
@Lego_Ninjago_
Ай бұрын
Galvanized Diffusion and Point Strike too.
Well I use a Dethcube with Energy Generator and Seismic Bond as my main companion anyway. Free efficiency for all of the duration of Glory, because it's a channeled ability. It feels nice.
@Aznvasions
Ай бұрын
That's a REALLY good choice for her tbh because of the perma 4 that some builds use
personally i think most people aren't used to playing a more active frame like jade. dante, even though he needs more inputs to nuke, has generous s and tremendous and continuous overguard regen, debuff and support via his book. hes the full package and is very difficult to die as, jade enjoys no such luxuries, so to survive you have to zone properly with your 1 casts, maintain energy to keep ophanim eyes up and preferably use her ability strength aura to boost alt fire so it can scale better. overall shes harder to use than dante and i think thats what people are finding contention with in your previous video. not that i personally care though, jade is good but volt with dual ichor influence or several variations of nezha currently outperform both jade and dante in base sp.
@daSora_1
Ай бұрын
Yeah I agree, but honestly I think designs like jade and Dante are way more healthy for the game, you should have to put in some effort to see these results. Frames that can just spam one button and nuke the whole map should be a quirk of old frames, new frames imo should need to have more thought and intricacies in their kit to be able to do that. The end result is that you have a unique gameplay loop that differentiates itself from one button spammers but still see similar results. If people want to mindlessly spam a nuke then there’s tons of frames that can do that already.
You're having the same joker moment about people calling Jade bad that I had about the same situation with Dante, people acting like morons and making it the game's problem. Been there.
With only 3 needing duration and other abilities working with base duration just fine, pillage is incredibly good instead of her 3. Provided you run 76 duration, you can insta strip with str boost from 2 and gain overshields for survivability in mere seconds. With 200+ range you hit in around 30+ meters radius. Used it myself, works wonderfully.
The problem for build crafting for me is that most of these nuke build utilize things that I haven’t gotten around to yet or I don’t have the ability to readily grab them, so instead I have to make some Frankenstein amalgamation with what I have. Though it is kinda fun to test things out to see what works and what doesn’t and then look forward to when I am able to get my hands on those extra means
Skill and not watching a video properly issue.
@toblerone1729
Ай бұрын
And not using brain hard enough to adapt a build to their playstyle if they (for whatever reason) can't make Azn's builds to work
I hear emotion and passion in my daddy azn voice! Haters started a fire.......
@noahedenborg4221
Ай бұрын
And that fire burns
What is the build of your tenet glaxion? I get the mods of your build but didnt know what primary arcane did you use
@Aznvasions
Ай бұрын
It was on the weapon platform version of her that doesn't use her 4. The 4 build has no use for the Glaxion in particular, however, in theory, you can use the nightwave mod if you ever happen to run out of energy to quickly get some energy orbs back.
I watched your video on Jade when she came out, and it was very enlightening to understand the nuances of her alt fire versus primary fire in her ultimate. I was able to come up with a build that I really enjoyed, and I think she's an incredibly strong frame. I'm just hoping she won't get nerfed…
Ok, another question, on the Glory build, you can drop Primed Heated Charge for Scorch, and it'll give more Status chance.. and drop Pathogen Rounds for Augur Pact. Status - 44% Heat - 646.8 (nearly 200 more) Corrosive - 909.6 (nearly 400 more) Total - 1,556.4 (a little over 500 more) Or do these changes do something negatively that im not noticing?
@Aznvasions
Ай бұрын
This works much better for a hybrid build where you will both shoot and altfire Glory. That type of build also can choose either the original Altfire Nuke Jade build I showcased, or lean towards the weapon platform variant I have listed as Build 3 in my original video. If you want to go the hybrid route, and are using Glory for DPS rather than normal weapons, Archon Vitality is something to consider for better heat scaling. Due note that Strength gives Glory base damage, and Augur Pact does very little in this particular case, as it's additive to strength instead of multiplicative.
It’s sad that most players that are copy and paste build users and still can’t get it right 🤦🏽♂️ if they take the time and learn mechanics and how this and that works instead of “copy this and copy that” they’ll know exactly how to build. Definitely skill issue
@lookalike4805
Ай бұрын
It's actually worse than that because they failed to even Copy the Build in the First Place. 👀
@RanRayu
Ай бұрын
main problem is not the players, it is warframe for not giving all the info when modding. for example, nowhere is shown how much damage reduction she has in her 4th when using aviator. nowhere is shown how the dmg on a weapon is calculated. you cannot blame the players for not knowing something when they are not given the info.
@toblerone1729
Ай бұрын
I'm sorry, but you can't blame the game when it still gives you the info (read: energy costs going up when you have less than 100% efficiency), you choose to ignore it, you mash buttons and realize like three seconds later than you blew your energy away mindlessly Even worse if you blame a builder that has given you plenty of alternatives when you can also adapt it for your own use, not to mention that builds are NOT absolute, you do NOT have to copypasta them and fully expect them to work without understanding how they work
@Sci-Fi_Freak_YT
Ай бұрын
@@RanRayuthat is a problem but that doesn’t apply in this case, it’s just people outright ignoring basic mechanics.
As someone who's been playing jade alot recently, all I got out of this is that they are going to make her alt fire scale with base damage. Thats nice. I love jade
This is why we cant have hard content, people just want to no brain everything. This is why revenant is the most played warframe, cuz its op without having to use brain. People just want to revenant torid kill thing and when something requires more setup they call it bad
I've noticed that she feels more comfortable to play with mods like Aviator and Adaptation. When I don't want to use Arcane Aegis, it frees up space for better arcanes like Arcane Velocity or any other arcane that boosts my DPS. However, in my experience, her flight mode can be a bit janky. It seems like moving causes a slight delay in firing her exalted weapon. Would be really nice if we could use our weapons in flight or at least just a secondary. No I don't think that would be busted 🤭 especially w sentient surge ocucor and her free armor strip👌
Thanks for continuing to provide the best and most detailed content for warframe, you’re truly the goat Az. Btw I have a question. I know you said Dante is better at nuking in Endurance and Jade is better for base SP, but can Jade actually kill with her 4 alt fire up to lvl cap or would it just be more effective to use weapons at that point? (With armor strip)
You know… I’ve been watching you for a long time, two years I think. I have to say, I preferred this video with all its raw, unpolished edges more than the usual ultra polished presentations. As a result, you’ve convinced me to give Jade another try and I’ll go watch your main video too. I think I’ll still prefer Dante but we’ll see 😊
I took her into archmidea and she did very well nuking and surviving confused how others say she weak
Have you noticed the alt fire does ips damage instead of heat damage. Do you know if this is intentional, de should add it in the modding menu if the alt fire is meant to have different stats to the normal fire. Oh also the alt fire does do heat in the simulacrum but in actual missions it does ips
@Aznvasions
Ай бұрын
I am aware, to me this is a bug. But I don't know why it does this. I have random slash procs from time to time. I don't know if this has something to do with placeholder stats, due to her altfire stats being listed in the ability section instead of on the weapon itself. It's...very weird.
@ShadowRacho
Ай бұрын
@@Aznvasionsyea it’s really annoying me because I’m trying to set up a blast build for it but the extra damage types are messing with the weighting making it inconsistent. Still gets the job done I just know it could be better if the bug was fixed. Honestly surprised to hear people think she’s bad though
I really wanted to get her but I had no idea what to think because of all the hate. I saw a comment literally saying that if you are a content creator and say Jade is good "you are affecting the community", I don't understand what people want at this point. Maybe an unkillable autosustainable frame, capable of nuking, with a full cc kit with crazy aoe capabilities that just needs 1 button to delete an entire room but has to be fun at the same time lol. If it's not Saryn or Revenant then is trash for them. After watching your video, I think I will definitely go for her
Another thing Note worthy which I assume you're probably aware of, but might be interesting for anyone else reading. in regards to Survivability the sentinel Shade(doesn't matter which version) has a Precept Mod called Ghost which will literally make you go invisible when within 24m of an enemy Which normally wouldn't be all that great, but here's the catch your 1st ability and your altfire do not break that stealth, meaning you're fully capable of staying permanently cloaked while using your full nuke rotation, over and over. the stealth only breaking once there's no enemies within 24m of you. effectively making you immortal even at level cap content 👍
Can guarantee theres people saying whatever you make a video on is doing trash damage and is garbage. It's everywhere you go. Unless you do exactly what they want theres gonna be haters. Best to just ignore them
The only thing ive found thats wrong with her is sometimes the eyes skill will just not revive teamate and will stutter like your spamming x on her.
@user-jy4jz1jk8k
Ай бұрын
I meant spamming x on the teamate to revive them.
A better streamer/youtuber than me. Id have made a community post saying "everyone else is wrong and tests bad" and leave it at that.
Love the slow video style for explaining
Ive run out of energy on Jade because i suck at paying attention Thats it. I've had zero problems with her energy economy. Im absolutely loving the frame. Im using your builds and a couple I tweaked for fun to try out. Shes in a good place. My only real issue with her is a me issue and that's running the lower duration builds and juggling which aura is up if I'm using weapons or her primary fire. Thats it Shes fun
fr im running 45 efficiency with no nourish, no energize, and still maintaining energy while using 1 + alt fire nuke, get to 155 duration and its still only 5 e/s
YOU ARE A GOD! You just gave me the solution without even knowing on how to proc "Archon Intesify" more often!
this is why i love catch up new videos - in this case the voice of reason 🙏
The fact that people still use Overframe should have been a loud indicator that the warframe playerbase cannot make a build on their own if their life depended on it. A majority of warframe content on youtube are just build showcases, and while not the content creators fault by any means, the consumers just eat it up without an understand of how different systems work. They just want their new toy to make big numbers and thats it. A double edged sword for CCs - casual playerbase provide the views, but also leave unbearable comments. I can't even imagine what the comment section on your Wuwa videos look like.
You are expecting too much critical thinking from this heavy ADHD community. Unless you talk about red crits it's hard for them to follow. Nonetheless I appretiate the time and effort you have put into this research. Been enjoying Jade a lot and your videos were very helpful. Thank you.
Gotta love the two sides of the same coin, either Jade is broken or trash no in-between opinions for the community apparently
@thetruestar6348
Ай бұрын
There no WAY they think she is trash
@ergosum5001
Ай бұрын
You must be new here. Welcome to the WF community - where anything that doesn't practically play itself must be MR fodder.
@colby8104
Ай бұрын
Warframe does have one of the lowest skill player bases I've seen in gaming. There's many people out there who have over 1000 hours played and still don't know how to do spy missions. Mostly because the community is full of leechers who expect people to carry the mission while they go and try to level up there weapons 8 rooms away from a mobile defense point. I've had multiple recent game sessions where I was the only person in the same room as the objective while the time ticked down.
@nib6383
Ай бұрын
No one that understands anything about the game thinks she's terrible
@erichdegurechaff9515
Ай бұрын
@@colby8104 Yes, today I encounter a Legendary 2 on Ascension SP that was just AFK in the elevator, he just walk to dodge jade light
dunno what peoples problem is, like up to maybe lvl 500 its fine, after that i start struggling too. still have to figure out how to make her survive that without vazarin.
I’ve level capped with jade in both sp disruption and void cascade At around lvl 2000 her 1st and 4th abilities become completely useless so I replaced glory with nourish. Jade really is support based at best so don’t expect room clears from her glory after lvl 1000. I’ve spammed her 2nd for shield buff thing is her kit is very energy reliant so I had to throw in arcane steadfast and energize. I find jade best built for strength and duration Her aura kit I threw on Brief respite and holster amp because after a certain level her abilities just can’t keep up with the dps enemies put out and becomes highly dependent on your weapon and operator setup. I’m a trinity main and I feel like I survived more with trinity than with jade at lvl cap
it is wild the variety of takes there have been on jade. I've got a build now that works well for me as a "daily driver" and very happy with her power level. Just swapped her 3 with pillage to help with "slower"/directional strip and a bit of surviability i was skill issuing with (i think now that was just because jade lasers were really bad for a bit last week...) really like jade, she's a really powerful and fun frame to play for me, i love to provide some buffs for teammates too :)
Hi there, how did you get those Diviri ghost-looking owls behind you? I want them so bad. ;-;
@hackfeatherstep9955
Ай бұрын
They’re dantes noctua birds they’re on the shop if you search noctua paragrimm itll come up
I didn't even know about this drama, even while leveling and slapping mods by eyeballing and doing guesswork after 5 minutes reading the abilities she was working okay, nothing crazy of course because I am not a genius but I never thought after 5 minutes reading "man this wf sucks because I didn't make her work". That is as dumb as it gets, some of the new warframes are getting more nuanced in their design and need more than "put everything in power and press 4" and I think that is great for the game
I've gone back to reference your video several times, and my main problem is that I'm just not fast enough to handle everything just yet. But I love how she plays and I will learn how to play her, and I love how she works under your guidance.
Jade is a different warframe.and she cares about stats that most warframes with similar abilities don’t care about. Now for what I actualy want to talk about. Jade,Dante,dagoth,seems like every warframe reciently has zero problems and is completely self sufficient. For heavens sake the new short frame can nuke and if that’s not enough she armors trips by looking at someone. It’s almost like de wants all the new frames to do everything. I personally don’t think that’s a good idea. Like dagoth can be an immortal tank (sort of like revanant) but can also be a super good nuke or good weapons platform. Old prime warframes like chroma,nyx,trinity have kits that barely function and compared to the new frames don’t function at all. Like why would you play chroma at all night now when 90% of frames can do a part of his kit better Why would I play trinity when I could be playing Jade. Heck why would I play wisp when Jade is here doing everything wisp can do but better. Why would I play nyx like seriously give me any reason to use her. An operator arcane does her kit but better. The power creep in the last few frames has been nuts. And I wish de would stop making these good in every situation frames. When I heard Jade was going to be a support frame I was hoping for an easier to use trinity with some sort of gimmick. What we got was a dnd cleric chucking health options. Everywhere and while calling in a tactical air strike. I would love to see some Jade nerfs just like Dante I feel that the Dante nerfs were good for the game overall. Thanks for listening to my talk
@Mike-pb7tk
Ай бұрын
To support what you've said frost is also now a capable strip and damage frame on top of his ability to support and cc 🤣 They are indeed making every frame capable of pretty much everything
@FlashesSoccer011
Ай бұрын
Only thing I disagree with is stating that Jade does what wisp does but better. Jade is good, but Wisp is the queen
@Mike-pb7tk
Ай бұрын
@@FlashesSoccer011 agreed, wisp is God tier
@saintpres4ge533
Ай бұрын
Some credit for Wisp, is that you're only really focusing on her motes, Movement speed + Attack speed + Fire rate, isn't really something that a lot of frames can do, Volt is one of the only others. Also with reservoirs wisp can slap down 3 sets of Health and Speed, and do other stuff, can subsume her 4th to be something like Proteas Dispensery or something and then have infinite ammo, energy, etc. She has her place, she isn't top tier, but she can make some weapons to build for other players god like, like +100% attackspeed for melees meaning you're doubling or more their DPS
@FlashesSoccer011
Ай бұрын
@saintpres4ge533 did you just say wisp isn't top tier? Are you insane? She's God tier. She's in the argument for best frame in the game. This is an asinine take.
A few thoughts from messing with and adjusting Jade over the course of the update: -Archon Intensify does work in Simulacrum, but not in actual missions, so it's likely a bug that will get fixed. -Archon Vitality does add 2 stacks of heat proc per second for her 1 and 3; IMO this is an auto-include on all builds. -Like any frame with a channeled ability, Arcane Energize is a great choice for helping with her economy. It's not a bad idea to swap Fleeting Expertise for Streamline and use those Archon Shards for other things -Archon Topaz does affect her Glory just like it would Mesa's Peacekeepers.
what do you run on that glory build for corpus or do you just keep i the same @Aznvasions
@Aznvasions
Ай бұрын
If it's high enough level (as in some weird L200+ stuff on SP), I just put her on Mag Toxin. Usually I rarely have a reason to actually do that outside of experimenting with stuff.
@ez4674
Ай бұрын
@@Aznvasions o ok i was just wondering becuase the polaraties dont support deep freeze and thank you for responding so fast
Thanks actually, I was totally lost at how build her and a lot of people told me to put full strength and no efficiency and high duration, tired those builds and was not having much fun till I saw your video today and tried your build, now I'm having more fun playing Jade. Thanks
Question: why run Umbral Intensify over Archon Intensify? Sorry if I missed you mention that Edit: Never mind, just tried it out and doesn't seem worth it. When flying around archon intensify doesn't trigger often enough, umbral intensify way is more consistent
Your advice made her way more playable than I was initially making her. Your facts are straight but those critics are bent.
Just a question because there are smart people here. On Glory, if its only really the secondary fire that matters, is creeping bullseye better than primed pistol gambit?
what I try to do is make my own build and see how it works before I look for outside sources. While I'm a Warframe vet, I actually don't know alot about current "metas" and etc. All I ended up doing was check out Jade's abilities/passives, and then look into the recent stat changes. Built a build off of that and she's been awesome so far, though just glancing at these builds in the vid tells me I need to watch that other Jade video mentioned lol. Still, I can be perpetually in her alt form and fly around like the biblically accurate angel that she is. Heck with so many things she brings to the table I thought she might be overpowered. Very surprised to hear people are having so much trouble.
I’m wondering why rolling guard is used over adaptation or boreals hatred. Can you roll while in her 4 to prock it?
@Aznvasions
Ай бұрын
Yes, she can! she does a small aerial lunge and activates the effects of Rolling Guard. It was also for the times when I come out of her 4, as I don't have PSF on that build.
@xxxfirefart
Ай бұрын
You can roll while in jades 4th
@Hashtag_JagSwag
Ай бұрын
@@AznvasionsAh good to know, she finishes building for me later tonight I’ll definitely try it out!
I did an hour survival on steel path with her. Using primary fire. I had blast,toxin,radiation and corrosive on her. It's a cake walk. I had 45 efficiency and never ran out. People just don't know how to use their builds
Genuine question to those who have already tested it; if you modded her exalted weapon for electric and equip archon flow, would the "+1 energy for every elctric proc on skill cast" proc cuz the exalted weapon is part of her skills? I feel like it'd be kinda crazy if that was the case.
Soooooo, I saw Jade in SP Duviri. I used the base version and helped the team get to 7 plus stages with mobs well in the thousands. I was able to heal them, revive from a distance and armor strip with glory. This was the BASE version, since I don't have her yet even now. Oh and my weapon selection sucked too...
@toblerone1729
Ай бұрын
I see no better example of how Jade actually is vs how morons spam her abilities for 3s, running out of energy, and saying that she sucks
I see you have commited the mistake of overestimating people. Dont worry, you'll do it again
I made my first build for her in 1 minute, I made a balanced build with duration/strength/range and neutral efficiency and felt it was pretty good, I knew if I looked up a build it would prolly be different from mine and this video shows that. I like my build because I’m lazy and recasting abilities is kinda annoying to me, I have decent strength and range so I get a little bit from the buffs. I run brief respite and spam 3 to get shields back, and yea alt fire spam is strong, I run flow and don’t really have a problem, ofc like any spam build there’s moments when I need to get energy but I like running weapons platforms anyway so I don’t have a problem there either. Can’t really see how someone can say jade is bad when all of the problems are fixable.
about fulmination you DID have it in the build in last jade video at 7:40 i was confused about that part too
@Aznvasions
Ай бұрын
That is my error. I originally was testing it when I was making the video and found out it didn't work. I tried to replace all the footage as I was editing, and it seemed some slipped through the cracks. I've been told this a few times over the last hour, and I'm sorry I failed you there. I will do better and look over my footage better next time. I am hoping that was the only time it popped up in the video during the discussion.
Aren’t u supposed to be able to snapshot power of seven with deathbringer and spirit of resilience… Or I’m tweakin?
Azzywazzy got the angy? Hell is gonna freeze over, wtf
about the folks that running 45 or 100 eff that somehow got no energy in the middle of their experience with jade, they can easily negate by mix in equi and energize together if they don't want to run 175. but that just me tho, i havent completely find my "good enough" build for jade but im trying to make it works. jade is a good warframe but you need to put alot of brain just to make her works. i've seen this type of same problem with garuda when she first came out with people saying that she's suck and cant nuke and her kits are all sucks. but in reality, she's a good frame IF people put some effort to build her. this is goes the same with jade, she can be good IF people try to put some effort to build her and understand how her kits worked
I had so much respect for old players when I first started playing, I thought how complicated Warframe is and it must be so cool to understand how mods work, I watched “cool” KZreadrs who made unreal builds and I thought “wow this mod is so beautiful when Will I have these? It’s probably a disappointment that at rank 25 I understand that all of these were just cringe builds for fun, and the community uses the same build for any frame. Then I started watching how 25 MR teammates failed the defense at Arbitration, failed the hunt for Eidolons, complained that the farming index was too complicated, and void cascades were too confusing. Now I still think maybe I’m stupid and doing something wrong, I can’t believe the sterility of this community
@danomaly8943
Ай бұрын
Those are the “new” veterans. Most of those players where the MR10-16 who complained when you taught them how to play the game. MR doesn’t mean anything. The new vets don’t know shit
Brother, you don't have to say anything. Your game. Love your content and ty for what you do
Tbh I never ran out of energy for jade @ 130 efficiency. I use equilibrium and energy generator dethcube with duplex and shivering contagion but I still ran out of energy @ 75 efficiency, I actually haven't tried 100 efficiency but 130 is very comfortable in terms of having a down time due to bad spawn on pubs. My biggest issue with jade though is glory's alt fire modding I wish it took base damage, multishot and fire rate into account. Also let me leave a tip here for using jade, use madurai sling 2x -> cast 2 (ability strength) -> cast 4 -> switch 2 to weapon damage. This is how I start every mission and how I get decent damage as jade.
I love how you're telling off these scrubs. ❤️
Az, you gotta understand, most of WF players are only able to play things that don't require more than 1 or 2 buttons pressed 😂. PD I can't believe that this video was necessary, the other one was very good on understanding jade
I also feel along with multishot and base dmg not scaling with her 4’s blast, her 3rd ability needs to be buffed from 70 to a 90-100 degree angle because it’s a bit clunky. They also probably need to fix the weird delay with casting her 1 and not being able to do anything for a hot second
I see how knighmare frame feels now
my build has negative eff, but i also have on rage. i hav inf nrg as long as theres no one there spamming overgaurd.
Idk how others build her to have energy issues, but I've never had any at base efficiency with energize and equilibrium.
i understand it for frames based around channeled abilities or ones that use shieldgating, but besides that why do you still use energize over streamline? id assume its just you prefer the consistency over the potency when you can build for it but streamline definitely still saves alot more energy than energize gives, and it allows you to cast at 0 energy so its not really different from any intricacies between saving energy or gaining energy
@Aznvasions
Ай бұрын
I believe I have Streamline present on the build. Unless you mean in general. To me, the higher your efficiency is, the more valuable Arcane Energize becomes, because the amount of energy it gives is always fixed. Whereas the cast cost goes down, so one proc of energize restores more "# casts" than before. On neutral or lower efficiency builds, I actually typically prefer Equilibrium, because in big aoe DPSing setups, it usually produces more energy than Energize itself. Energize is mostly just convenience on 100 or lower Eff builds because arcane slots are normally more free than modding slots, but I deem Equilibrium is much better at
She doesn't have the KPM. Kit is very synergic and gameplay loop is fun. Nobody is contesting that. It's just that she doesn't have the KPM despite having a DPS kit (and just 1 ability as a support kinda).
Minor (and lengthy) buildcraft and gameplay tips: By using a maxed Fleeting expertise and Boreal's hatred you reach 175%, get 908 base shields (2.2 second shield gate) AND an additional 20% damage reduction, all of that for the same capacity cost as fleeting + streamline (you are taking a larger hit to duration so it depends on the playstyle), combined with aviator and adaptation you can very easily tank base SP without having to rely on heals, the shield buff or arcanes Alt fire glory builds: Unlike what's shown in the video (which im guessing is due to polarities not matching for multiple builds) Creeping Bullseye is better than Primed Pistol Gambit, you get a bit more crit for less capacity and the -fire rate doesn't affect your DPS, additionally if you do not want to use primed faction damage mods you can use the new elementalist mod (+90% status damage) and switch your elements to gas/blast + elec/toxin, this means that every possible proc is affected by the status damage, personally i've found blast+elec (running 60/60 for cold and electric, then the 2 primed mods) with sure shot (normal not galvanized) giving a 62% status chance where both possible procs deal DOT (and elec doing a tick instantly, which is why i gave it slightly better weighting compared to blast) Something most Jades seem to miss is that her 3 and 4 snapshot strength during initial cast on every aspect, this includes the alt fire, meaning you do NOT have to keep her 2 buff on strength the whole time, you can switch to the damage buff if you are doing a primary fire build or switch to the shield buff for the alt fire spam, or if you need neither (since you either have enough DR to outlast the universe or you are killing enemies fast enough to not be bothered by them) then you can switch depending on what your teamates like or need, doing pubs in the event i've found plenty of people who would go down constantly if i didn't have the shield buff active There's 1 shard buff that most people have forgotten and that's the blue shard's max energy buff, if you are not running flow that +50 (or +75 on tau) can greatly help her energy economy by giving her more time to replenish her energy reserves, i highly recommend slotting at least one shard if you aren't running energize or steadfast
I've seen enough builds in region chat to know most ppl don't have a clue.
I have a rank 1 or 2 arcane energize and that alone is enough to maintain her throughout the entirety of any mission. These people probably didn't mod her exalted or just don't know how to play the game. Glory alone can clear house if modded properly with a non galvanized, non prime mod build
I hadn’t seen your previous jade video but this really explains why my jade is feeling weak I knew she was strong but didn’t know what to do
Lol I run mine at 75% efficiency not an issue with energy
Angry Aznvasions is best Aznvasions. Thank you for this follow up video! Jade broke people because they're so used to "number go up, it gud build" mentality.
I am under the impression that people who say "Jade sucks" are trying to gaslight people in thinking that, just so we don't get another "heavy-handed Dante nerfs" situation. Just a theory, but it wouldn't surprise me considering the shitfest that were the Dante nerfs and the fact that she is stronger than even pre-nerf Dante
I've been playing WF now for over 5 years, and I have come to truly enjoy Jade to the point I want to use her in every mission now. The problem with WF right now is that if a Frame doesn't insta nuke with 1 button, its trash; if a weapon isn't AOE, its trash. The community needs to start enjoy these frames for what they are, not for what they expect them to be. I just came out of a 2hour Circuit run using Dante and had ZERO issues with him, and this is post nerf. The point is that a frame doesn't just need the use of 1 ability to be good. For me, a frame that has all their abilities synergize to where you actually don't even need a Helminth; that's fun
imagine your just getting viewers that spill over from overframe,gg sounds the part
I put one yellow shard for energy orbs and energize and im fine with 75% efficiency. 200+ range and 150% duration with about 200% strength. Honestly u can lose rolling guard and one efficiency mod for either more strength or duration for those slots cuz aviator and aerodynamic already give u so much DR as well with overshields 👍🏻
I went with Brozime's build for normal attack spam, works great I tried blast instead of heat, using unoptimized alt-fire in the crowd nukes all the same
I was planning on checking the other video, but I was just thinking maybe archon intensify might be better if you’re using combat discipline and you’re constantly healing yourself.
for fleeting expertise replace it with equilibrium for your sanity.
Sorry that people are flaming in your comments. I personally appreciate what you do and really like that you show multiple ways to approach a frame instead of just showing one build like it’s the end all be all. Keep doing your thing, dude.
Okay, I put fire rate on my Glory not for DPS, but for procing Judgement quicker on things so I can use her alt fire. Yes, her 1 does that, but it's nice to be able to contribute with the team with some damage before using the big damage
I guess people try to compare her to Dante where all he needed was to spam Dark Verse in random direction and 70m Tragedy exploded entire tile (because it expedites teammates status too) while she is more like Qorvex where one-shotting is based on enemy density.
Umm...she has good dps, good support, armor strip, energy is there if u mod her right.