Hi. I can see that I was grafted from my mom and dad, raised by one of my grandmothers, to help my ancestors and descendants to come to Christ. I am the pioneer in my family, working from the beginning of my genealogy. I know that my fruits are the work in the temple on behalf of my family. I am not sad anymore since I understood my mission on earth. I know I am special, I have special Love from my Heavenly Father through my covenant with Him, and I am bringing this love to them. I was called to love God and my neighbor, not to complain to God and my neighbor. I never intended to come to live in USA but here I am. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and bringing the Holy Spirit to my home.

I was alive when Hugh B. Brown gave that talk, although not a member. But after baptism then serving a mission in Germany in 1972 as a "printer" in the office in Duesseldorf, I would make copies of that talk on cassette tapes for the missionaries who would request them. To make a copy I would play the original on one player and record on a connected cassette player while I would work on coming publications from the mission president and assistants to be printed and distributed to the missionaries. As a consequence, I have heard that talk many many times. Were I more intelligent I would have it memorised. But the principles and his voice are imbedded into the fabric of my soul.

I have always loved this story and thought about sharing it, when Hank brought it up. Thank you for sharing it again.

Reading Jacob 5 this time reminded me of Elder Kearon’s talk a couple of days ago where he talks about how God is relentlessly pursuing us.

@jaguarangel1107

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Oh, so true! Thank you for that. ❤

@ashleyratta

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I had that exact thought this morning!!!

Hank, I'm so glad that you "resurrected" the story of the currant bush! I have always loved that one. It fits so perfectly here.

Oh my goodness, was this ever packed full of divine information! Thank you! I really learned so much more and look forward to Part Two. You all bless my scripture study Every Single Week! P.S. Loved the rabbit joke and the spontaneous laughter 😃 including mine!

Hank, I really enjoyed the story you shared of the gardener cutting down his tree and later having this experience come back to him after being denied a promotion. I can see how God was in both of those moments. A testament to our Heavenly Father who sees the beginning from the end and the end from the beginning. 😊❤️🙏🇦🇺

Excellent!

I was in the mission field in 1968 and we had vinyl records of this story and “ Profile of a Prophet “ in Elder Brown’s voice! We played them for investigators!! ❤

Fantastic lesson thank you! Matthew Bowen has done some incredible work. I’m a big fan of his!

It’s like when my prayers are not answered and the time that l want or need but my gardener now better thank you

I lived in Roseville California from 1987-2005. Good people!

I served 8 months in Roseville, CA in 1987. Though, then it was part of the Sacramento, CA Mission. The Roseville mission did not exist yet. Great podcast.

@jillianvaka2629

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Did you serve in Lincoln??

So so so good! Thank you all!

I love the quotes/stories. Thanks

Thanks!

Grateful for Dr Bowen’s testimony that promises and blessings come, in the Lord’s time.

Love the experience of Hugh B Brown. Thanks for helping me understand

I’d like to give one correction. No one is supposed to “teach” Sunday School anymore. Teachers are supposed to facilitate discussions so the Holy Ghost can do his job of teaching us all things. I’ve been in 3 wards in two different areas of the country since President Nelson gave this counsel and it’s hard seeing none follow that counsel. However, when I visited a small ward in Brooklyn, the spirit was strong as they followed the counsel and a lot of learning occurred for everyone. It was wonderful.

It seems Zenos was a popular prophet as Paul seems to reference the olive vineyard in Romans 11.

@davidrenfroe8985

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Zenos was probably edited out of the scriptures by the time Paul studied them. Zenos gives that clear understanding of the dying and resurrecting God. Obviously the disciples/apostles were not expecting the resurrection. That editing occurred so that the Jews would kill "their God." Paul even makes comment that had they known who Jesus was they might not have crucified him, which would have been a tragedy. But Zenos' words are preserved in the brass plates that we get through the BofM. That all said, the remnants of that allegory were left in the scriptures about which Paul was familiar. Like Isaiah, this allegory was probably preserved because it was so obscure that the implications were not understood by the editors.

@davidk4869

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I recently realized Zenos was an ancestor of Lehi. 3 Nephi 10: 16 “Yea, the prophet Zenos did testify of these things, and also Zenock spake concerning these things, because they testified particularly concerning us, who are the remnant of their seed.” So, if the Nephites (and Lamanites) were descendants of Zenos and Zenock, then Zenos and Zenock were ancestors of Lehi.

I was on a Summer Camp at Ft Lewis, Washington, when I heard this story in person! I remember it vividly when he roared, “I’m the Gardner here!” I guess we better listen⚡️

@jaguarangel1107

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What a blessing that must have been!

Unique up on it! ❤😂

Woah! Small world, I was part of the Roseville California mission too!

I remember that talk by Elder Brown thanks for the memory,

A vineyard is code for temple

It also suggests that Israel has been scattered in more than just little ways as it has seemed that the Nephites were...the scattering js the rule not the exception. And i would go so far as to suggest multiple prophets like Lehi were lead away for this very purpose

Is there a way of obtaining a copy of Brother Bowen's dissertation 'According to All That You Demanded' (Deut 18:16): The Literary Use of Names and Leitwort as Antimonarchic Polemic in the Deuteronomistic History." It sounds fascinating. I would be more than happy to pay for a copy.

Also a potential reference to the Deuteronomists corrupting with Josiah and leading to the Isaiah visionsay men like lehi conflicting with the jewish leadership in Jerusalem triggering their movement out

If anyone who can reply sees this comment I would love to know where to find the article written by Dr Bowen about the olive tree allegory as a temple text. I didn’t see it in the show notes.

@Brndlbrdl

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Me too

@matthewbowen8209

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@@Brndlbrdl Link posted here in the replies. You can download a PDF of this article (book chapter) at that link.

@jaguarangel1107

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Me three

@jaguarangel1107

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I'd also like to know the author and name of the Alegory book Mike held up. I didn't make note of it.

@matthewbowen8209

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Looks like the U R L was deleted. On the Interpreter Foundation's website you should be able to search up "“I Have Done According to My Will”: Reading Jacob 5 as a Temple Text." They have a printed version available there as a p d f. Videos of the conference at which it was given are also available.

Very deep and hard for me to follow

@jaguarangel1107

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It was very deep and took me a long time to get through it, but the extra work was so worth it, as I am finally gaining a deeper understanding of the allegory.

This isnt the first time either with the multi-valent meaning of the tree of life.

If mystery signals Temple teaching, is that true of mystery babylon?

Why do some podcasts get removed? I'm just catching up and found Jacob 1-4 removed! the subject I was particularly interested in. Do some podcasts become controversial or something?

In all honesty, I get confused with all the information and side-tracks that come from some of these podcasts. I literally just lose my way. Sorry, not to doubt the information given, but just a bit too much for my old head at times. 😔