J.S Mill: Liberty (Freedom of Speech/Character/Action)

Join George and John as they discuss and debate different Philosophical ideas, today they will be looking into the works of John Stuart Mill and his political philosophy around liberty.
Concerned with how free an individual should be within a state, Mill claimed people should have absolute freedom and liberty, including freedom of speech, freedom of character and freedom of action. The individual should have no restrictions unless their actions harm others. The state or government cannot force people to do anything, unless they are trying to prevent harm to another person.
Is a society with maximum liberty and freedom the best society we could hope for? Watch as Mill’s liberty is examined and critically assessed.
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0:00 - Introduction
01:52 - Liberty Principle & Harm Principle
4:04 - Freedom of Speech/Character/Action
7:30 - Problems with Freedom of Speech
9:18 - Problems with the Harm Principle
#JSMill #Liberty #HarmPrinciple #Philosophy #PoliticalPhilosophy

Пікірлер: 32

  • @PhilosophyVibe
    @PhilosophyVibe3 жыл бұрын

    The script to this video is part of the Philosophy Vibe "Political Philosophy" eBook, available on Amazon: US: www.amazon.com/dp/B088QPZYHC UK: www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B088QPZYHC Canada: www.amazon.ca/dp/B088QPZYHC India: www.amazon.in/dp/B088QPZYHC Australia: www.amazon.com.au/dp/B088QPZYHC Germany: www.amazon.de/dp/B088QPZYHC This script is also part of the Philosophy Vibe Paperback Anthology Vol 3 "Ethics & Political Philosophy" available worldwide on Amazon: US: www.amazon.com/dp/B092H9V22R UK: www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B092H9V22R Canada: www.amazon.ca/dp/B092H9V22R

  • @evad7933
    @evad79333 жыл бұрын

    I like the style of these videos. They deserve more attention than they are getting.

  • @PhilosophyVibe

    @PhilosophyVibe

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you glad you like them :)

  • @evad7933

    @evad7933

    3 жыл бұрын

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  • @PhilosophyVibe

    @PhilosophyVibe

    3 жыл бұрын

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  • @takezomiyamoto1390
    @takezomiyamoto13902 жыл бұрын

    This is basically the same as the tolerance paradox. Absolute tolerance would allow intolerance to exist, making it effectively impossible to be absolute. Absolute freedom would allow tirany to exist, making it effectively impossible to be absolute. Wholeness include everything, even its contrary. The emptyness is an essential part of the wholeness. Therefore there is no right answer to these problems, other than playing a game of balance and struggles between forces that pull from one side and the other. At the end it's all a game of imposing force, .. by numbers, by strength, by reason... regardless, it will still be an imposition.

  • @johnsmith1474
    @johnsmith14743 жыл бұрын

    Like every sort of great and impressive ideology, the problem with Mills' is that when applied absolutely, it inevitably fails quite a lot of theoretical tests before it's even used in fact. This failure generates reactions in humans do the degree to which they are devoted to the ideology, clearly devotion or rejection of an ideology is a sticking point in using it as a tool. The overlooked area is the rejection of ideology as necessarily pure, and the acceptance of many ideologies as useful in part. Thus one must never apply an ideology absolutely, nor even expect to. Instead one must view an ideology as a template for something less rigid but nearly as useful. Unfortunately therefore (for devotees of ideology), all ideals must be mitigate by wisdom. Wisdom is a refinement process & the result of learning from mistakes over time, thus it resides in recorded experience. We have plenty of recorded experience to use for this task of discerning and then applying wisdom, unfortunately (for devotees of ideology) there is a time requirement on the part of decision makers for this process. Decision makers need people who are well-studied in many particular parts of past application of ideology, in order to have the wisdom at hand to make wise decisions themselves. Thus quick & easy answers are not to be found in ideology per se, they are to be found in the study of past solutions and mistakes, within an honorable effort to be serious and ethical with the greatest good in mind.

  • @mmiv37

    @mmiv37

    Жыл бұрын

    Nice comment. So a wise person would use different ideologies to examine a thing from different perspectives? It seems like this would help the wise person understand a thing better, and allow for good judgement. Phronesis.

  • @freedomdividendnews5042
    @freedomdividendnews50422 жыл бұрын

    I like when he says hmmm. Cuz it's like he has no good response for the argument

  • @warentucker
    @warentucker3 жыл бұрын

    The answer to bad speech is more speech. Who decides what speech is dangerous and what speech isn’t? If it’s not a direct threat of violence leave it alone.

  • @ebarnes4231
    @ebarnes42313 жыл бұрын

    fantastic, educational video, thank you!

  • @PhilosophyVibe

    @PhilosophyVibe

    3 жыл бұрын

    You're welcome, thanks for watching.

  • @mbitukoruamurumbua3107
    @mbitukoruamurumbua31072 жыл бұрын

    Even though I oppose his principle of utilitarianism, I applaud his principles of Liberty.

  • @Rico-Suave_
    @Rico-Suave_6 ай бұрын

    Great video, thank you very much , note to self(nts) watched all of it 12:25

  • @TheSwedishGuy0202
    @TheSwedishGuy0202 Жыл бұрын

    But isn’t the problem with the “hate campaign” already a problem that Mill established and said that such actions should be restricted by the law? But the other problems were very helpful and made it possible for me to even further expand on them and connect them to other political philosophers in my work that I’m doing at my uni right now. Had a b**ch of a time identifying some problems with Mills theory before I watched this vid. Thank you, guys!

  • @Jamric-gr8gr
    @Jamric-gr8gr3 жыл бұрын

    Thx for another nice vid!

  • @PhilosophyVibe

    @PhilosophyVibe

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you :)

  • @mahimaryal6317
    @mahimaryal63173 жыл бұрын

    In the country called Nepal, Majority of the people use body shaming, sexist, racist, derogatory term for people living with disability, people of certain gender identity, sexual orientation to make other people laugh although it is harming emotionally for a person of a certain class. So, I think there should be gender, race, disability, body love friendly comedies or communications. Thank you for the videos.

  • @ml7689
    @ml76893 жыл бұрын

    This is another great video, as usual! Mill was great. In almost complete agreement with his positions of speech (which feel especially relevant today). But the classical liberal intellectuals don’t understand that human beings are not scale-free - conserving some traditions, at least at a local level, feels deeply necessary

  • @craigbowers4016

    @craigbowers4016

    3 жыл бұрын

    Of course! I live in a community that believes in being right handed. Once a year we have our community culture festival and all kids around 5 are secretly tested. Then if they're left handed we execute them publicly, barbeque the left handed kids, and eat them to celebrate our right handed culture. Yay culture! Thanks for supporting this!

  • @ml7689

    @ml7689

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@craigbowers4016 that’s amazing!!

  • @djphatman2153

    @djphatman2153

    Жыл бұрын

    There is nothing wrong with conserving tradition if it's not harmful. There are harmful traditions that disadvantages groups of people that should be changed and not unchallenged because they happen to be tradition.

  • @tonyz6079
    @tonyz60793 жыл бұрын

    Excellent

  • @PhilosophyVibe

    @PhilosophyVibe

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @evad7933
    @evad79333 жыл бұрын

    A couple of things that come to mind: 1. Speech (not to be confused with thinking) is action. 2. The principle is more or less worthless owing to the rubberiness of the term 'harm'. 3. Any sensible definition of harm includes psychological damage.

  • @robburns1ne
    @robburns1ne11 ай бұрын

    Does Mill actually not address the common restrictions on speech we accept today? I am thinking of defamation, incitement, and assault (spoken or written credible threats of battery even without actual battery). Without those restrictions, that involves a free speech absolutism to an insane degree.

  • @urvashimaan2594
    @urvashimaan25942 жыл бұрын

    When absolute freedom of speech is there and some section of people spread violence and destruction, it is doing harm to people - may be their property , their health -- which ultimately brings us back to the harm principle. According to which that section of people will be stopped by state. Hence, absolute freedom will not lead to violence.

  • @alhomsiyyah

    @alhomsiyyah

    10 ай бұрын

    How about in a situation where the state falls in line with the hate speech, or vice versa, like Nazi Germany? A general consensus amongst the German population towards an oppressed group of people - there was no effective internal intervention.

  • @mossjo2004
    @mossjo2004 Жыл бұрын

    Love the content. The voice acting needs more practice

  • @beezorz
    @beezorz Жыл бұрын

    Pshhh eating greasy fast food burgers isn't caused by my mental illnesses. ...... >_>!

  • @beefwellington2945
    @beefwellington29453 жыл бұрын

    If hamburgers and ciggerates were made illegal and companies forced to shut down their products people would just make their own at home or get from other sources. A company should not take blame for simply meeting the demands of the market. Also creating a violent mob, threatening, or harrasing somebody are already illegal. Just seems like a pointless objrction to make if its already refuted by the harm principle