ITBs SCREAMING to 10,000 RPM on the Dyno

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Andy's KZread Channel: / @andysmede
Thanks to Valvoline for providing all the fluids we use on the S2000, and helping make the build possible. #sponsored
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00:00 - Intro
00:42 - Start Your Engines
01:26 - Dynocologist
02:11 - You clicked on the video for this part
02:44 - Yes, I'd like the arroz con pollo and two large margaritas
03:09 - Get Header
05:10 - It's Still Slow / Cornstar
07:14 - You also clicked for this part
07:48 - Final Numbers
08:45 - The part where I rationalize an underwhelming number
11:23 - You can finally stop watching our videos

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  • @Weimerica8841
    @Weimerica8841 Жыл бұрын

    Honda bois in shambles, everyone knows K20s make 500whp unopened 😂

  • @Weimerica8841

    @Weimerica8841

    Жыл бұрын

    @@z3dz 2AR chads rise up

  • @mattcormier983

    @mattcormier983

    Жыл бұрын

    With a turbo...not ITB's. If they think that, they've retarded more than their timing.

  • @CL9k24a3

    @CL9k24a3

    Жыл бұрын

    they made stock fbo power with big mods... What is your point ?

  • @AKK5I

    @AKK5I

    Жыл бұрын

    vtec bros coping so hard rn

  • @coreyfryer2712

    @coreyfryer2712

    Жыл бұрын

    @@CL9k24a3I think he’s saying that a lot of the K20 guys were expecting 250+ but were completely surprised.

  • @TrackSol
    @TrackSol Жыл бұрын

    ITBs are generally known more for their throttle response and sound instead of big power. That being said, the “wall” at 8000 could be due to a multitude of things, from the head package (cams, ports, chambers), to exhaust pairings or primary sizes. My guess is you guys need a biger cam with more duration for the flow requirements of the ITBs. EDIT: Going back to the engine build video, the cams used are the Drag Cartel 003.2 cams, and the dyno chart on their website shows peak at 8000 RPM. The Hoonigan Skunk2 K24 10K RPM build used Skunk2 Ultra 2 camshafts. (EDIT2) The drag 003.2 specs: Intake: 13.8 mm Lift / 254 Duration @ .050 Exhaust: 13.2 mm Lift / 250 Duration @ .050 The S2 Ultra 2 specs: Intake - Lift: .560"/ Duration 270° @ 1mm Exhaust - Lift: .535"/ Duration 270° @ 1mm Thats a big difference in duration 254/250 vs 270/270… (EDIT3) Corrected the Skunk2 duration @ 1mm lift (EDIT 4) Converted cam specs for @dooby1445 to show I’m not a caveman: The drag 003.2 specs: Intake: 13.8 mm Lift / 254 Duration @ 1.27mm Exhaust: 13.2 mm Lift / 250 Duration @ 1.27mm The S2 Ultra 2 specs: Intake - Lift: 14.224mm / Duration 270° @ 1mm Exhaust - Lift: 13.589mm / Duration 270° @ 1mm

  • @danielprevratil3149

    @danielprevratil3149

    Жыл бұрын

    just to make the comment more visible

  • @w.f.oc.e.o5766

    @w.f.oc.e.o5766

    Жыл бұрын

    Nailed it

  • @justinriccitelli5134

    @justinriccitelli5134

    Жыл бұрын

    My guy 💯

  • @SkylineLofe

    @SkylineLofe

    Жыл бұрын

    This is actually big advice

  • @jaunn_victorr5506

    @jaunn_victorr5506

    Жыл бұрын

    Just to make the comment more visible #2

  • @GearsandGasoline
    @GearsandGasoline Жыл бұрын

    Just to restate what was already said in the video: we're not super impressed with the power the car made, but making horsepower on small, NA engines is all about finding the perfect recipe for flow. Nothing on the exhaust side has been optimized yet, and we have a lot of brains to pick in the all-motor ITB community about what the best combo is for power. Here, we just wanted to get the car running and driving. Can't wait to revisit the dyno with more of a game plan to make power.

  • @gavinoliver8074

    @gavinoliver8074

    Жыл бұрын

    I know you guys will figure it out. Every build takes time. Thank you for the years of uploads and content. Gavin, uk.

  • @garagecedric

    @garagecedric

    Жыл бұрын

    What does a std k20 produce on that dyno? Comparing to other dynojet inflated numbers isnt the best.

  • @samnolte749

    @samnolte749

    Жыл бұрын

    To paraphrase the great Obi Wan: "You will soon be back, and with greater numbers".

  • @dunno9046

    @dunno9046

    Жыл бұрын

    My face actual lights up when I see a new Gears and Gasoline video

  • @GearsandGasoline

    @GearsandGasoline

    Жыл бұрын

    @@garagecedric fbo on that dyno is around 200 I believe

  • @Bradp72
    @Bradp72 Жыл бұрын

    with the ITB's you need to look at pulse timing between the exhaust and intake, you may find playing with trumpet lengths as well as ex primary lengths may where your extra power will be hidden, it might be worth putting a single throttle manifold with longer runners to see what it does to the power.... these are things i have played with when converting to ITB's because they generally dont make the power initially you think they will....you have to find it

  • @Bradp72

    @Bradp72

    Жыл бұрын

    ex primary lengths and intake lengths are critical on japanese twincams when you are building performance engines like yours

  • @Bradp72

    @Bradp72

    Жыл бұрын

    And if Andy is going to build headers for it bigger isn't always better, keep your primary tubes down in diameter to keep the exhaust velocity up.... 1 3/4" stepped up to 1 7/8" and I would think about 24" long to the collector 4-1

  • @ricepony33

    @ricepony33

    Жыл бұрын

    Garage 4AGE channel does a myriad of testing.

  • @MelonTL_YH2

    @MelonTL_YH2

    Жыл бұрын

    I mean ITB was just for sake ITBs. Didn't even make sense to make a street daily s2k with itbs

  • @Eggsplanepls

    @Eggsplanepls

    Жыл бұрын

    i was about to say this

  • @oneoffnate
    @oneoffnate Жыл бұрын

    I like how this video shows that not all Dyno runs or engine swaps are a success like KZread conveys. It’s way more interesting seeing you guys trying to troubleshoot why the engine isn’t making as much power compared to watching another 1000hp dyno run video on KZread

  • @coreyfryer2712

    @coreyfryer2712

    Жыл бұрын

    That’s it right there. I’m so much less interested in the next ultra fast KZread build. That’s cool too don’t get me wrong. But as a dude who drives a 350Z, I’m much less interested in annihilating the 1/4 mile or high speed highway runs as I am a well developed dynamic streetcar build. There’s just more character there lol.

  • @coreyscarrepairs
    @coreyscarrepairs Жыл бұрын

    Andy seems like a very honest fellow. I like him.

  • @MLeeder53

    @MLeeder53

    Жыл бұрын

    He is, he's good people.

  • @CheenusBoof

    @CheenusBoof

    Жыл бұрын

    NPC comment

  • @modehfy1352

    @modehfy1352

    Жыл бұрын

    His knowledge is insane and every video I've seen him in, you can tell he is honest and a hard worker. Not a lot of people are like that anymore.

  • @ASMotorsports

    @ASMotorsports

    Жыл бұрын

    ❤ thank you guys!

  • @StaufferGarage
    @StaufferGarage Жыл бұрын

    I love that you guys chose the spoon style hardtop. Its so sexy on the s2000

  • @Kneyki

    @Kneyki

    Жыл бұрын

    That's actually what came with the car, but I think they'll keep it

  • @jarrodnichols8111

    @jarrodnichols8111

    Жыл бұрын

    Man, I can't believe people actually like that thing. Not a good shape for me at all.

  • @rubert.
    @rubert. Жыл бұрын

    That vtec cracking open damn is loud lol

  • @narutobroken

    @narutobroken

    Жыл бұрын

    I can’t believe they didn’t have Ear Pro on, my ears would be ringing all day

  • @I_know_what_im_talking_about

    @I_know_what_im_talking_about

    Жыл бұрын

    I think it sounded bad, honestly. VTEC crack with a proper intake manifold and short ram intake sounds way better, in my opinion. 🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @battldogeurmum698

    @battldogeurmum698

    Жыл бұрын

    @@I_know_what_im_talking_about And that's how someone should state their opinion, some people say everyone else is wrong and dumb whereas what they think is just the best/only answer. Mad respect to you 👍

  • @I_know_what_im_talking_about

    @I_know_what_im_talking_about

    Жыл бұрын

    @@battldogeurmum698 - 😎 much appreciated bro.

  • @repingers9777

    @repingers9777

    10 ай бұрын

    @@I_know_what_im_talking_about I think longer stacks sound better there is a different in sound depending on length and such plus its in a metal garage so yeah its gonna be some earrape

  • @gsxtrex
    @gsxtrex Жыл бұрын

    Props to them for putting out an honest video even when the power was underwhelming. I appreciate this video more than big power. Thanks guys

  • @nuttyDesignAndFab
    @nuttyDesignAndFab Жыл бұрын

    the resonance length of the ITBs needs to be tuned in sync with the cam duration at a certain RPM where you want to peak; you want the pulse generated by the valves shutting to bounce back and fourth in the ITBs and return just before the next close of the valve. Ideally less bounces (longest possible pipes) gives you more of the effect.

  • @SidewaysGts

    @SidewaysGts

    Жыл бұрын

    Its worth adjusting the intake runner length for sure- But hed be chasing a single digit for HP here. He more than likely is just being limited by his cams. Theyre drag cartels "street" cams with only 254/250 duration. Theyre mild aimed at meaking peak power by 8k rpms.

  • @chippyjohn1

    @chippyjohn1

    Жыл бұрын

    Longer pipes are better for low end torque. The longer the pipe the longer the travel time. If anything they would need to be shorter, but most likely a cam duration issue.

  • @JETZcorp

    @JETZcorp

    8 ай бұрын

    ​@chippyjohn1 Most ITB kits far cars are limited by packaging, and so are shorter than they should be. In order to not hit the shock tower or require a hole in the hood, ITBs for the K usually have super short runners like a sport bike. Most tests I've seen of trumpet length favor the longest ones you can possibly fit. The ITB kit for NC Miatas uses curved trumpets facing forward, something like 2 feet of length from.the valve to the trumpet end, and that kit makes 225bhp at 7,500 with pretty minimal non-VTEC cams. Ben's ITBs are less than half that length, which says to me that they want like 14,000rpm. Obviously the cams and the exhaust will have gone to sleep long before that ever happens. But the point is, all this stuff is dependent on resonance and timing. An engine like this has to be treated like a 2-stroke. Bulk flow is secondary to resonance timing. The exhaust and the intake must match the RPM target, and the cams must not get in their way. Most importantly, you have to at least know what you're working with in terms of length and resonance timing. Simplistic ideas like "good" or "big" have little value at 10k rpm.

  • @future62
    @future62 Жыл бұрын

    Cant wait to see this duke it out with the MR2 which I absolutely have not forgot about. Crazy that that cheap Camry Hybrid lump makes more power lol

  • @GustSergeant

    @GustSergeant

    Жыл бұрын

    No replacement for displacement

  • @meXicossie

    @meXicossie

    Жыл бұрын

    I’m very impressed & envious of that Camry lump

  • @RandyAugustus

    @RandyAugustus

    Жыл бұрын

    with these power levels, that mr2 has a serious shot.

  • @sparkster_6087

    @sparkster_6087

    Жыл бұрын

    @@RandyAugustus that mr2 will definitely win right now, 700lbs lighter is huuuge

  • @iDymff
    @iDymff Жыл бұрын

    I really like this project. Andy and his team is great and funny. And the s2k is just a cool car.

  • @MikusGG
    @MikusGG Жыл бұрын

    Time stamp descriptions are hilarious. Love it lol

  • @turbohayabusa01
    @turbohayabusa01 Жыл бұрын

    Double check valve lash, after getting my head redone with DC 2.2’s we were struggling to make power every hit it started making less power(got all the way down to 185 at one point), so i left it at my tuners shop and he re set valve lash and ended up making 226whp on a mustang dyno which are the lower reading dynos. Previous to the cam install it made 212whp My setup: K20a2 -54mm ITB’s -Skunk2 megapowerRR header and 3” exhaust -DC 2.2 cams -E85 -Supertech dual valve springs w/ titanium retainers -Stock bottom end -Still running power steering and a/c

  • @shifty1927
    @shifty1927 Жыл бұрын

    Looking like you need better cams to make hp in the upper rev range.

  • @Zamm1n
    @Zamm1n Жыл бұрын

    The ITBs are rad as hell but please try running it with a single throttle manifold and intake tube at some stage, if nothing else it'll at least tell you if the ITB config/setup is the reason for the power issues. This series has been really interesting so far and I'm super keen to see you get to the bottom of what's going on here and finally perfect that engine setup.

  • @ziglol

    @ziglol

    Жыл бұрын

    I agree. Maybe I’m wrong, but I’ve only seen ITBs outperform across the power range with higher (13.5 and up) compression and some sort of race fuel like m1. They sound cool though…

  • @eVerProductions1

    @eVerProductions1

    Жыл бұрын

    Yeah that’s what I was thinking, take off the itb and do what they have been troubleshooting with and stick some of the OEM stock variables back on like they did with the exhaust header. Run it with the OEM spec then one by one swap bolt on mods and see what’s improving the numbers

  • @TassieLorenzo

    @TassieLorenzo

    Жыл бұрын

    Hmm, I think they need to do some basic engine maths (inlet velocity, exhaust velocity and the way that's matched to the cam profiles etc) before just trying random parts! The maths (or math in American English) will show guidelines of the cam profile required, inlet runner diameter and length, exhaust runner diameter and length etc required, before then dialling it more precisely with trial and error on the dyno. No race team would try to design an engine without doing the maths on it. 🙂

  • @Rattus-Norvegicus

    @Rattus-Norvegicus

    Жыл бұрын

    It's either the ITB's or I saw someone else make a pretty good case for cams.

  • @SidewaysGts

    @SidewaysGts

    Жыл бұрын

    @@ziglol "Maybe I’m wrong, but I’ve only seen ITBs outperform across the power range with higher (13.5 and up) compression and some sort of race fuel like m1" Obviously this is a 4age- but kzread.info/dash/bejne/nqJ72Kufp82_mdY.html This is a great video, and great channel to watch. guy has been "Testing" different things on the dyno for ages, some of them are funny things, but many are serious as he looks to improve his engine. This video is a good "milestone" video, showing how the engine responds to various popular changes, and then his extreme ones as hes pushed the limits. of note in this video: He goes from various stock manifolds, to an ITB set up, and shows the power change. Its not insignificant, and hes not running crazy compression- 10.3:1. The itbs arent the problem with this guys set up. Though the trumpet length may be worth checking into (Fun plug in again: that guy i linked has one with him testing numerous length runners for the ITBs to find the ideal length for his engine), the biggest restriction is more than likely, his cams. Hes running 003.2 "Street" cams from drag cartel. Like the name implies- theyre street cams, and rated to make peak power by 8k rpms. This is undoubtedly the biggest restriction for making more power. He needs more cam- plain and simple.

  • @toniwonkanobi
    @toniwonkanobi Жыл бұрын

    Thank god for back-to-back S10K videos! Also, thanks for the Saturday morning video again. Weekday vids is not the same thing.

  • @arthurhicks9586
    @arthurhicks9586 Жыл бұрын

    That fall off to me looks like cams or valve float. Definitely check those.

  • @2seep

    @2seep

    7 ай бұрын

    Not always the case, the higher rpm the less time air has to get into the engine, this is for N.A. engines. This reduces hp and causes it to fall.

  • @Kakarote12
    @Kakarote12 Жыл бұрын

    It’s been a while since I commented but I really enjoyed this engine build and looking forward to what you do with the body and interior. Great work.

  • @jameshaulenbeek5931
    @jameshaulenbeek5931 Жыл бұрын

    That's such a beautiful engine build. Looking forward to seeing it reach it's full potential, and for you to have a fun, daily driving S10K!

  • @sotirispolitis4617
    @sotirispolitis4617 Жыл бұрын

    The most important thing when building a naturally aspirated engine is pulses and harmonics. There are calculators online that show you the ballpark of intake and exhaust lengths for your cam setup.

  • @cryvengeance
    @cryvengeance Жыл бұрын

    thank god the wait wasn't long

  • @jean4244

    @jean4244

    Жыл бұрын

    Saturday and Wednesday uploads got us creaming huh

  • @a70_s36

    @a70_s36

    Жыл бұрын

    Fr they did not wait lol

  • @cheesepizza87

    @cheesepizza87

    Жыл бұрын

    Impatient nation 🤣

  • @cryvengeance

    @cryvengeance

    Жыл бұрын

    @@cheesepizza87 i blame my adhd 🤣

  • @Remiinding
    @Remiinding Жыл бұрын

    I love how you guys eclipse the truth behind building awesome cars. Not everything works out how you plan but it’s the journey and knowledge gained from it the makes it worth while. Great video

  • @Canyondriver
    @Canyondriver Жыл бұрын

    Really loved the series. I feel like I'm living vicariously through the builds since I would do similar things; especially wanting a 10k rpm screamer driver and not caring about the power. Meanwhile, I'm just starting on my TRD front strut brace for my GR86 and hoping that adds the rigidity up front that I'm looking for since So Cal roads aren't getting any better, and I swear roads are wearing out faster because EVs are already heavy and SUVs/trucks dominate the market. This S2000 build is something I would do with lottery money.

  • @Silky_boi
    @Silky_boi Жыл бұрын

    Tbh I thought waaay more power. I know Cosworth made some Duratec motors with ITB go up to 250-300 depending on the capacity. But I’m sure you’ll get it where you want it to be and you got a great team to help you! Awesome work guys! 👍🏻

  • @TassieLorenzo

    @TassieLorenzo

    Жыл бұрын

    The K20A never raced in an ITB class of touring cars IIRC (i.e., super touring), but even with a single throttle body under Super 2000 rules, Neal Brown Engineering K20A engines make 280bhp (at the engine) on a 8500rpm rev limit. Tegiwa have a video on their ex-BTCC Integra Type R race car. 🙂 Sadly the lack of basic engine maths and engineering calculation before building this engine seems to have bit Ben!

  • @TheCorington

    @TheCorington

    Жыл бұрын

    Esslinger makes a bunch of the racing duratec motors now. 260whp/220tq would be easily accomplished in a 2.5 for less than 8k if you go 13:1 compression

  • @Doomslayer26
    @Doomslayer26 Жыл бұрын

    Whoever makes the titles for the chapters in the video is absolutely hilarious! 😂😂

  • @JorgeMartinez-iq2tc
    @JorgeMartinez-iq2tc Жыл бұрын

    I freaking love Saturday's and I have to thank this KZread channel

  • @seagullsays5831
    @seagullsays5831 Жыл бұрын

    Peak power at 8500rpm with ITB's? And it's only making 211 on E85??? What in God's name has gone wrong here???

  • @alpha2turbo

    @alpha2turbo

    Жыл бұрын

    Right, plus they only gained like 3whp in E85.

  • @chrisvera841

    @chrisvera841

    Жыл бұрын

    i think that as the car doesnt have forced induction, e85 doesnt have as big of an impact?

  • @deletemii3312

    @deletemii3312

    Жыл бұрын

    @@chrisvera841 ya, e85 has an insane octane rating, so for FI builds ot makes it so you don't have to worry about knock as much, meaning you can run more aggressive settings

  • @lordmarsgaming1935

    @lordmarsgaming1935

    Жыл бұрын

    E85 doesn't do much on an NA motor. And ITB's aren't meant for huge gains in power. They are meant for better throttle response which is why he stated ITB's are heavily used for racing applications.

  • @XTR_NEELAN

    @XTR_NEELAN

    Жыл бұрын

    Aif flow exhaust isn't made yet so it's had

  • @kristophs3276
    @kristophs3276 Жыл бұрын

    It was my understanding, I may be wrong, but 4-1 headers work better for higher rpm power, while tri-y headers are better for midrange power with a sacrifice of high rpm power? Maybe try a 4-1 header.

  • @GearsandGasoline

    @GearsandGasoline

    Жыл бұрын

    That's part of the plan!

  • @I_know_what_im_talking_about

    @I_know_what_im_talking_about

    Жыл бұрын

    I can’t believe they didn’t AUTOMATICALLY opt for a 4-1 header with the initial plans to rev that high. That’s like basic high revving Honda engine 101. 🤦🏻‍♂️

  • @RollingRoadEFI

    @RollingRoadEFI

    Жыл бұрын

    My tri-y makes great linear power all across the board. Fantastic piece.

  • @EAADetailing
    @EAADetailing Жыл бұрын

    Man, those valvoline diff fluid bags are amazing

  • @oikkuoek
    @oikkuoek Жыл бұрын

    Seems like you've found the max flow on your ports and valves.

  • @000polsris000
    @000polsris000 Жыл бұрын

    In the process of chasing this same goal with my S2000. I've got the ITB's on an essentially stock F20. I hit 217 to the wheel. Cams are in my future. My goal is also 250 to the wheels. Excellent series of videos. Sounds AMAZING over 9k!

  • @liamclarke8269

    @liamclarke8269

    Жыл бұрын

    My standard ap1 jap import has 247 as standard, the rest of the world got 237, I was lucky I got the best of the best.

  • @RBXmotorsports
    @RBXmotorsports Жыл бұрын

    Great car for your first HONDA. I also recently picked up my first Honda S2000 and so far, I'm in love. Enjoy the car brother!

  • @ElCrab
    @ElCrab Жыл бұрын

    There are plenty of ways to build just for insane power numbers. When I had my B18C1 swapped Civic, I obviously wanted power but the joy I found was in light weight and lots of revs. I didn’t get into seriously wild setups, but I rebuilt the block with higher compression and she revved to 9000, made peak somewhere around 8300. That car wasn’t about making 400 HP, but she weighed less than she did stock (even with several hundred extra pounds with the swap), and she revved and made amazing noises. If I ever did it again, I’d go for that kind of setup over tons of power. And I really respect what Ben is doing here for the same reasons.

  • @WyFoster
    @WyFoster Жыл бұрын

    Hey guys, put the airbox on the ITBs so you can that intake reversion. They're designed to be run with that.

  • @narutobroken
    @narutobroken Жыл бұрын

    Does the horsepower seem low to anyone else? I know it’s to the wheels but still

  • @erikleblanc4539

    @erikleblanc4539

    Жыл бұрын

    There is more rolling resistance since it’s an awd dyno. But yes still seems seriously low…

  • @fitometralla

    @fitometralla

    Жыл бұрын

    Man i was thinking the same thing... my b20vtec has 240hp on pumpgas

  • @ndutamaureenkamau6001

    @ndutamaureenkamau6001

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes finally someone else sees it

  • @DG_427

    @DG_427

    Жыл бұрын

    They can still do plenty to it, so it shouldn't be an issue for now.

  • @team_tuner88

    @team_tuner88

    Жыл бұрын

    @@fitometralla fbo ? idk man many fd2rs from where im from have 270-280whp without ITB.

  • @scuds03
    @scuds03 Жыл бұрын

    There’s more power there; excited to watch you find it.

  • @phototoys6423
    @phototoys6423 Жыл бұрын

    I was waiting for this!!!!!

  • @WreckChris
    @WreckChris Жыл бұрын

    Yeah, I'm in love with this build!

  • @glubibobi
    @glubibobi Жыл бұрын

    Man...I chose the wrong career. This seems so fun. I'm sure there's a lot of frustrating moments we don't see but it's just so cool to build stuff that like.

  • @StayCovert
    @StayCovert Жыл бұрын

    The VTEC crossovers with build up sounded the way it feels when you finally get that tight spot in your joints with a nice stretch

  • @CarGuy87
    @CarGuy87 Жыл бұрын

    cant wait for more ITB screams man keep them comin!

  • @samhenzler1596
    @samhenzler1596 Жыл бұрын

    I have a k24 bottom end with 12:5.1 pistons. Stock rsx type s head, rbc intake. Running on e made 235 to the wheels. Definitely think you could squeeze some more power out of that setup. Something isn’t right.

  • @KevinMO91
    @KevinMO91 Жыл бұрын

    I own a 00 s2000, Look into ballade sport's header. I have seen and talked to a couple people and they seem to make the most power N/A if you can run it on the K20. I would also look into maybe even a more aggressive cam setup then what you currently have If you're looking to make power past 8k rpm(which is crazy, I know). There's definitely more power on the table with this setup.

  • @12370515
    @12370515 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @NoOne-ht5cn
    @NoOne-ht5cn24 күн бұрын

    Ignition, cam timing, inlet and exhaust port flow, exhaust flow and fuel and air mixture is all about n/a engines. I'm all n/a myself, never really been into boost as I love ITB bark lol. I love the Vtec crossover btw, insane bark 😍😍

  • @zhnkbr
    @zhnkbr Жыл бұрын

    i have read before that going with the biggest itbs you can find isn't the way to go, and for each head and runner size there is always the "right" size itb that you should go with for the most power

  • @mastercedar8697
    @mastercedar8697 Жыл бұрын

    Any concern about air flow to itbs ? I’ve seen a boxed up itb setup.

  • @Gabriel50797
    @Gabriel50797 Жыл бұрын

    Time to call Spoon good video hope you guys get it sorted out. I'd venture to say its a combo of the ITB with other parts as others have already stated.

  • @jermainetuning
    @jermainetuning Жыл бұрын

    Pretty cool gents! Andy is definitely God level at this! 💯

  • @bozososic2656
    @bozososic2656 Жыл бұрын

    I know your pain and i understand the optimisation needed for high revving engine. Had done the same thing in my honda but its only a D15. Its revving to almost 9k and a lot of carful thinking and workarounds had to be done to make power that high. I would suggest maybe a different cam. One that has a bit bigger lift and a lot longer duration because at that high rpm engine needs to breathe as best as it can and cam will do just that.

  • @jakelong4271
    @jakelong4271 Жыл бұрын

    That's like stock engine power. Hopefully you get it figured out.

  • @burtonporter8437
    @burtonporter8437 Жыл бұрын

    I have the same build, similar starting point, and similar goals. Thanks for the inspiration- mine has been 3 years going and yours is getting done way faster 😢

  • @thomascriviera5779

    @thomascriviera5779

    Жыл бұрын

    Don't worry, taking your time often results in more detail work being done. Also, I assume you do most of the work yourself which in and of itself it admirable to say the least. (Obviously, no offence to Ben and the boys!!) So take pride, and when the time comes to roll around like a 'baller', the enjoyment will be even greater!! ;) I recently started a new build and I recon it will take close to 4 or 5 years to finish. Most of the work will be done by me and my father. Whereas paint, cage and ECU tune will be outsourced when the time and money is there. (The build is complete with engine swap, bigger brakes and the such...) Close to Pro-Touring to say the least. Then I look around and see whole teams do a similar build in just a few months :O .....

  • @PowCarsandCoffee
    @PowCarsandCoffee Жыл бұрын

    Play around with the cams. Sounds epiiicc love the s10k

  • @WIREDin1
    @WIREDin1 Жыл бұрын

    Really enjoying this set up 🧐

  • @lw1878
    @lw1878 Жыл бұрын

    Is the rest of the catback 2.5" or 3"? Its making Stock GR86 numbers on E85.. Something is going on and it will only get worse with the hood closed in street driving.

  • @RhoadsChristopher
    @RhoadsChristopher Жыл бұрын

    Maybe longer trumpets? I know that can have an effect as it straighten's and smooths out the air going in.

  • @H3RSHD0G13

    @H3RSHD0G13

    Жыл бұрын

    My understanding is longer trumpets shifts the power down lower.

  • @mitchellsteindler

    @mitchellsteindler

    Жыл бұрын

    @@H3RSHD0G13 I think the trumpets are too large in diameter. Longer trumpets would probably help if they needed to keep the same diameter.

  • @saifmansour455
    @saifmansour455 Жыл бұрын

    A friend of mine faced something like this power restriction and it turned out that he needs an airbox for the ITBs to have a better airflow. After that he gained some power. Great content!

  • @TundeEszlari
    @TundeEszlari Жыл бұрын

    Brilliant content. 👍

  • @MegamanEXEv2
    @MegamanEXEv2 Жыл бұрын

    I’m like really concerned with how low that number was for a K series. Let’s hope break in loosens things up and helps.

  • @dingleberries360

    @dingleberries360

    Жыл бұрын

    That's probably the issue. Not breaking it in. Might have fucked something up.

  • @need_more_lives2974

    @need_more_lives2974

    Жыл бұрын

    @@dingleberries360 no the rings seating after break in dos not increase hp substantially

  • @RollingRoadEFI

    @RollingRoadEFI

    Жыл бұрын

    @@need_more_lives2974 Yeah sorry guys he's right. There's something missing here.

  • @idokwatcher2062
    @idokwatcher2062 Жыл бұрын

    Biggest complaint about stock S2000 is the lack of torque and you put a K20 instead of K24 in it.

  • @seagullsays5831

    @seagullsays5831

    Жыл бұрын

    Honestly I wonder why he committed to ITB's. Like if he knew he was going to be throwing in a K20 and that the lack of torque would be less than ideal then why not supercharge it?

  • @Bmw_Z3R

    @Bmw_Z3R

    Жыл бұрын

    @@seagullsays5831 ITBS and High compression to hit HIGH RPM, All that's needed now should be some head tuning to flow better.

  • @tonymccartney2829

    @tonymccartney2829

    Жыл бұрын

    @@seagullsays5831 he's building a high rpm NA 4cyl with a usable amount of power on the street for the character and sound of it, listen to what he says in the videos

  • @seagullsays5831

    @seagullsays5831

    Жыл бұрын

    @@tonymccartney2829 Yeah I understand that, but a built K20 with ITB'S and running on E85 should not be making less power than a stock F20C.

  • @tonymccartney2829

    @tonymccartney2829

    Жыл бұрын

    @@seagullsays5831 Oh 100% it should. It appears they didn't pay much attention to the cams they chose (the description says peak at 8000) or the ITB runners they chose, which are too big to generate the velocity they need at those rpms. They also didn't do any head massaging. So from what I can tell, there wasn't enough homework done on the build choices, and this is the result

  • @MidnightMustang
    @MidnightMustang Жыл бұрын

    I am now fully caught up on the entire lore of Gears and Gasoline... You guys have come so far :')

  • @garage2track
    @garage2track Жыл бұрын

    Nice to see it running

  • @Bmw_Z3R
    @Bmw_Z3R Жыл бұрын

    Hell yeah! Cant wait to hear this in person! catch you round the burg bro! K24 swap with Andrew from TFE Performance on my Z3 this summer!

  • @MotorSportsbr
    @MotorSportsbr Жыл бұрын

    Better flowing valves, ported head, higher compression, wider lobe separation.

  • @samnolte749

    @samnolte749

    Жыл бұрын

    I was wondering whether a stock port head would hold them back with cams and ITBs when they first put it on. I'm not an expert or anything, but the only advantage ITBs have is massive flow. If you're running them on a stock head, it doesn't seem worth it.

  • @MotorSportsbr

    @MotorSportsbr

    Жыл бұрын

    @@samnolte749 Unfortunately with all motor you have to do alot of work to the head and have non restrictive valves, and you need alot of compression. I wouldnt have even used Itbs, they just suck for street use. I would have went with minimum 13:5 compression. Most likely if I was going all in it would be 14.5:1 to 15:1. above that its very nock sensetive even on ethanol.

  • @mr2_nate
    @mr2_nate Жыл бұрын

    Should have 2AR swapped it smh

  • @DynocomNet
    @DynocomNet Жыл бұрын

    Awesome!

  • @Zjudoransj
    @Zjudoransj Жыл бұрын

    I really like the titles of the different chapters within this video

  • @eazybuilt
    @eazybuilt Жыл бұрын

    gotta love the VTEC face!!

  • @cheesusslice7342
    @cheesusslice7342 Жыл бұрын

    I would say larger and longer duration cams and perhaps equal length headers with pairing

  • @deanhempshall1335
    @deanhempshall1335 Жыл бұрын

    That noise though! 😍

  • @4773N.
    @4773N. Жыл бұрын

    Subscribed to Andy👌🔥💯

  • @paidinm3263
    @paidinm3263 Жыл бұрын

    Tall Ben is now a Honda man 😁 great show please keep making more video

  • @miles7025
    @miles7025 Жыл бұрын

    Love it

  • @luieflores5915
    @luieflores5915 Жыл бұрын

    them pulls just kept runnnnnniiiiinnnngg!!!!!!!!🥰

  • @sivic4353
    @sivic4353 Жыл бұрын

    beautiful noises

  • @codysmithmotorsports736
    @codysmithmotorsports736 Жыл бұрын

    Both this and Civic have power on the table in the Valve Job. Specifically the seat angles. I was not surprised when the civic was down on power last year after seeing how the valve job was done. The K is an amazing flowing head stock and that equates to some very high efficiency of flow past the valve and seat requirements. I've been part of back to back flow bench tests where a gain of 10+ cfm was had with just using a different valve seat multi angle cutter. Have also seen losses just as big when it's wrong.

  • @RollingRoadEFI

    @RollingRoadEFI

    Жыл бұрын

    Very little I think. No?

  • @codysmithmotorsports736

    @codysmithmotorsports736

    Жыл бұрын

    @@RollingRoadEFI rule of thumb is 1 hp per CFM. So a sub par valve job will absolutely hurt power and an excellent one will increase it. Especially at high rpm when the most amount of air is trying to move through the engine

  • @RollingRoadEFI

    @RollingRoadEFI

    Жыл бұрын

    @@codysmithmotorsports736 That's statistically significant. Thanks for the info.

  • @arnoldboats
    @arnoldboats Жыл бұрын

    I agree, I’ve raced motorcycles and what I’ve realized is that even though HP is great to have. I’d rather have lower HP for better power delivery and handling. I’ve got my 350z tuned and specifically talked with my tuner with the understanding that I want usable power and torque to balance out my handling. No I race at VIR and some other tracks and the plan works well.

  • @anotheryoutuber_
    @anotheryoutuber_ Жыл бұрын

    ^ this power to weight got my odyssey looking track ready

  • @barrysheldrick2704
    @barrysheldrick2704 Жыл бұрын

    Bens face when the VTEC kicks in Y0 😂👌🏻

  • @TheJMedia
    @TheJMedia Жыл бұрын

    She is a screamer! 10000 rpm with itbs is just glorious!

  • @jrbuch
    @jrbuch Жыл бұрын

    Hot damn it sounds great.

  • @Kantoman
    @Kantoman Жыл бұрын

    After all those revs the piston is sure to be well seated ❤

  • @MrMirofl
    @MrMirofl Жыл бұрын

    congrats on 1M guys

  • @gar24407
    @gar24407 Жыл бұрын

    Sounds soo freaking good!!!!! Brahhhhhhhggggg!!!!!! You need to call THE MAN BRET AT PFI PERFORMANCE.

  • @PeefMidgar
    @PeefMidgar Жыл бұрын

    I do love the cars and coffee carporn ITB build. Alot will say waste of money but honestly this car will probably feel really special.

  • @darrelpads
    @darrelpads Жыл бұрын

    Ooh i like that MCU style tagline at the end.

  • @CplVasilli
    @CplVasilli Жыл бұрын

    Motorcycle Tech here, What you got is what i call a "BIG GULP" build, wack open the butterfies and it takes in a huge gulp of air. great for bottom end numers but you lose needed velocity at higer RPM's. You need the "BIG SUCK" to get the better flow at topend. velocity is everything. Looks like you would benift from secondary ecu controlled butterfiles and secondary fuel injectors. TL:DR Big suck vs the big gulp. BIgblock enduro single: Big gulp Highreving superbike twin: Big suck Play around with the exhaust all you want, that intake is gonna make this car a pain to drive on the street

  • @akryder
    @akryder Жыл бұрын

    It's over 9000!!! 😮

  • @xheniszela375
    @xheniszela375 Жыл бұрын

    Best KZread channel ever

  • @WhatIDoAsChris
    @WhatIDoAsChris Жыл бұрын

    1:40 that is the loudest pop I've ever heard! The sounds dreams are made of 🤘🏽

  • @rgsaxo
    @rgsaxo Жыл бұрын

    Great vid and car sounds class. Needs some loving to be a car again. Jackie wasn’t kind to the bodywork. If I had to guess at the power figures being lower than you expected I’d say it’s the choice of cam. I presume it’s designed to make peak at 8k hence the drop off. A change of cam may be what’s needed

  • @Soravia
    @Soravia Жыл бұрын

    You need to restore the body and do rust prevention to match that engine. For exhaust, use Hemholtz pipe to eliminate drone boomy noise while keeping tones.

  • @josephmatuszak3855
    @josephmatuszak3855 Жыл бұрын

    ASM is awesome! (I uploaded ASM/Gridlife decals to GranTurismo 7) Looking forward to seeing what Ben does with the S2K!

  • @Waleed9547
    @Waleed9547 Жыл бұрын

    I'm subscribed to Andy's channel 👌🏼

  • @KutsugeMindUrmoks
    @KutsugeMindUrmoks Жыл бұрын

    Its a very cool car!

  • @MrLincoln87
    @MrLincoln87 Жыл бұрын

    Next time I'm imagining an interrupting intro where both channels are trying to do intros lol I'd love to see some trumpet length testing at some stage would be interesting to see that's for sure Cool build that's for sure, will be good seeing it progress =)

  • @RoadPatina
    @RoadPatina Жыл бұрын

    I need some ideas what to do about my flared quarter panels. Can't wait to see some options!

  • @SidewaysGts

    @SidewaysGts

    Жыл бұрын

    @GearsandGasoline-_ These F*cks are scammers. Please ignore and possibly report them.

  • @OliverPickard
    @OliverPickard Жыл бұрын

    Well Done guys you've made me really exited to hear my own K20 howl in Project Mosquito and im sure once your S2k is broken in and you get an air box on it you'll be able to fine tune it into something incredibly special

  • @Lupelu831
    @Lupelu831 Жыл бұрын

    I always wondered to destroke the crank to 84 and increase bore to 87. That always been in my mind for months for the k20. Like you mentioned find what works to get what your looking for.

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