The rail is such a good long-term investment. It lasts so long it is crazy. Yes, it will cost a lot now. But over 100 years, it is nothing. When you look at how much is blown on road "improvements" in Sydney for almost no difference because they just induce demand, this is one of the best infrastructure projects we have committed to in ages.

@Freshbott2

Жыл бұрын

Came here to say the same thing. Billions are wasted on blown out road projects every year and no one bats an eye. That’s seen as business as usual. But upset the trucky lobby and they put out all these bits about protecting the environment, fiscal responsibility, supporting regional jobs etc. the bar is honestly so low.

@shiningknight4267

7 ай бұрын

​@@Freshbott2 I'm all for truck drivers also being trained to operate Locomotives. So they can interchange with rostering. More truck companies should be running Locos as well as Prime movers.

@Freshbott2

7 ай бұрын

@@shiningknight4267 ask a truckie to drive a train??? He’d call you loco 😉

The rail situation in Australia makes me sad. This shouldn’t be so hard.

@wiser3754

Жыл бұрын

Like the NDIS, every thing the government funds it’ll be rorted and milked for every cent.

@calebmoore1582

Жыл бұрын

Building a rail link over thousands of kilometres is hard. Australia’s situation is that when inevitable mistakes are discovered, one thousand smarty pantses will jump out and laugh at the folly of attempting it. This is why we don’t have nice things in this country.

@nishanthramakrishnan3362

Жыл бұрын

@@calebmoore1582 Building a railway shouldn’t be this hard. Even in India, right now as of May 2023 similar freight train corridors are under construction and on the passenger front India is getting it’s first bullet train under construction scheduled to be operational by end of the decade - the same shinkansen train from Japan Infrastructure situation in Australia makes me feel sad. We can’t just keep showing the world Harbour Bridge and Opera House. Australia can and must do better.

@selwyn500

Жыл бұрын

The only thing hard about it is the lack of political will. Pollies love this stuff, they take turns hanging it in front of voters at election time.

@matty101yttam

Жыл бұрын

@@nishanthramakrishnan3362 Most of what i heard here is either environmental or budget issues, Australia is one of the strictest places in the world when it comes to environmental issues so it's no wonder we have problems getting things done. I worked rail in Australia, there are places where you need to wash your tyres and vehicles down every time you cross a section...and it just all looks like the same bushland. Getting water for water trucks simply to keep dust down needs to be checked so it doesn't contaminate the area it's sprayed on. Any removed soil needs to be tracked and put back in the right order. Compaction from vehicles needs to be ploughed up after leaving. Then you have the animals and insects that need tracking. It's all honestly a nightmare for infrastructure projects and every 20kms or so could almost exponentially increase the issues.

"The coalition say they can do it for 22 billion dollars, but the tracks will run only to a small box in a paddock, 30 kilometres south of each of the cities called a 'node', from which all the passengers will be required to transfer to a shuttle and then travel the rest of the way at speeds of up to 5 kilometres per hour." - Shaun Micallef parodying the coalition's NBN back in June 2013.

@tftexe

Жыл бұрын

actually so funny

@paulorocky

Жыл бұрын

And that paddock just happens to be owned by a party donor

@stuffedgrubs

Жыл бұрын

Unlike their chauffeured limos and cars paid petrol straight door to door pfft over it... And 90% of these arseholes buy a house in Canberra and put in wife's name claim living away from home allowance... If I aim for one wrong claim on tax I'm dragged through the mud.... Over it....

@hickory01au

Ай бұрын

Yep hearin ya

The one thing wrong with our country is the lack of rail! The fact that this report started with some opinion on damming a flood plain instead of starting with quantitative facts from the flood study that would have been done as part of this projects pre-construction phase is simply idiotic on the part of the journalist/reporters

Australia is a great place to live. Good health care, stable government, good economy, good standard of living but one thing it absolutely sucks at is land transportation. Our highway system is a joke in the modern world. Only two cities linked by continuous 4-lane and that happened just a few years ago. The bus crashes that spurred the government to 4-lane the Pacific Hwy happened 30+ years ago and it's still not done. As for rail, that every state still has a different gauge is beyond a joke. I was a train driver based in Sydney for 40 years and lots of the deviations on the lines to Goulburn, Bomaderry, Newcastle and Lithgow were made to lessen the grades for the little steam locos of the late 1800s but that involved going around hills rather than up and over them as they had done originally. These days with diesel locos of 4,000+ hp and several on a train, not a single deviation has been put back to where it was so today's trains have to slow for curves that should no longer be there. So, they built the lines wrong in the first place, found the trains could not cope with the grades so corrected them but can't correct them again 100+ years later to suit today's trains. I hate to say it but when it comes to rail freight, we need to look to the country that has more people in prison than any other, homeless people everywhere, a heath care system that no one can afford, no paid maternity leave, only 2 weeks annual holiday, and where your kids might be shot at school. If there's one thing good about that place, it's how they do land transportation both road and rail.

@societyofjesus5943

Жыл бұрын

It always gets me how ineffecient transportation is around NSW the only viable way of going long distance are cars but at least the view are amazing!

@electro_sykes

Жыл бұрын

its because our government want private aerial taxi's to fix the problem. Not Happening

God save us from NIMBYs. Have a cry why don’t you? Does anyone comprehend the need for this project? The fact that road freight is at capacity?

@seanwoods5943

Жыл бұрын

I can't hear me stories!!!

@henry1727

Ай бұрын

the NIMBY debate has nothing to do with rail projects, its about mass migration putting up demand for housing.

Why the Federal Gov doesn't mandate the standardisation of rail gauge sizes in this country in 2023 is beyond me....wt..f are we?! Backward in going forward is what we are.

When corporations run a country, the media ,and politicians. THEN CHANGE WILL NEVER HAPPEN !

Just get it done.

Wasn’t sure if this was 730 Report or a new episode of Utopia. What a country we are in now. Firstly we choose to build something using 19th century technology and then do it so badly it will probably never be finished.

Don't replicate the Americans when it comes to railways. Just build those rail lines, that's it.

When the States handed their railways over to private enterprise it was the end of railways in Australia. They really only serve the mines and multi nationals who pay through the nose. Service to people in the bush fell away, cattle, daily freight and cheap passenger services were gone. Crews were made redundant and reduced in numbers and made to do longer shifts. By now AUSTRALIA should have a all weather system but the privateers have long pockets.

Can we send the bill to Barnaby?

@selwyn500

Жыл бұрын

Brake light Barnyard 😂

@acewickhamyoshi8330

21 күн бұрын

Yes .. 40 years ago Barnaby Joyce bought land for $10K over 200 deceased eststes when he was bank manager.. profiting off of now worth $90 trillion in land ..

How much of the work that is yet to be done is not following existing rail corridors?? I can understand farmers frustration but where construction is following existing corridors is that not already government land for that purpose?? As far as the couple saying that they couldn’t watch TV with trains 200m away. Unless it’s a NEW corridor I don’t have huge sympathy. The main line from Brisbane to Townsville is 20m from my front door and I have no trouble watching tv or sleeping through the trains. Probably 3 or 400 houses in the same situation. Typically NIMBY attitudes. How far should we keep freight corridors from residential dwellings?? Roads are also freight corridors. The more freight we can get back on the rails the sooner the better our environment will be. It is very much worth noting that Coal trains in Central Queensland are ELECTRIC. Is the LONG term goal for long distance freight Electric???

This is a defence (strategical) project. It is more important than submarines. However, is it cost effective project? Population, demography and economical aspects also should be considered; instead just dump more money on it. Also built is 1 thing, maintain is another. Soviets connect empty plains with railroads, and?

It’s been a shit show since the beginning ARTC couldn’t organise a root in a brothel with a pocketful of 50’s

@marconi-id7tf

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@aussiviking604

Жыл бұрын

Or a piss up in a brewery. 😂

@sonofagreatsouthernland

Жыл бұрын

Or a lamington in a CWA bake off.

We waited for over 30 years to get the second Range crossing.

@someoneelse1534

Жыл бұрын

And it still fell apart

There is already a rail corridor from Armidale to Wallangarra, on the Queensland Border with NSW. The rail to Brisbane beyond is narrow gauge, but this could become a dual gauge line to Brisbane and could quite possibly be made Dual gauge to Armidale or Tamworth. There is also a line that branches off from Werris Creek that meets other lines towards Dubbo. These lines nave never been flood affected like the new inland rail is. There is no need for double stacking as this causes excessive ware and tare on infrastructure. The northern tablelands route is still viable now, even after it was closed by one of the most stupid governments NSW ever had.

@carisi2k11

Жыл бұрын

NG is not coming south of the border mate but also this alignment is slow and winding as it climbs the divide. The alignment is fine the problem is that the ARTC does things on the cheap and so instead of building viaducts or bridges across the flood plaing they were just going to install ballast as they do everywhere. The fact of the matter is that the ARTC don't have the money to do this job or maintain most of the track in there posession.

@Tasmantor

Жыл бұрын

I can't find anything that supports the claim of increased wear and tear with double stacking. I did find some mentions of decreased wear and tear from it though (less cars per load = less wear). So long as the total axle weight of the line isn't exceeded double stacking has a very successful history. If you have a resource that shows otherwise I'd appreciate directions to it.

@BedeMeredith

Жыл бұрын

@@Tasmantor if rail maintenance is not up kept and they cheap out on rail quality (possible) and don't prepare the rail bed with adequate drainage and ballast depth (also very likely) then yes it could all degrade very quickly.

@carisi2k11

Жыл бұрын

@@Tasmantor Of course there is more wear and tear because they are twice as heavy because they are double stacked. Double tracking will be better then double stacking for the east coast. Double stacking takes longer to load and so this also goes against the reason to double stack.

@ThePaulv12

Жыл бұрын

'wear and tear' also re dubbel stacing I fink its a cayse of if yoo dont cee the need four it then we dont need it peeriud

200 years ago 10s of thousands of miles of rail was built with Blood, Sweat and Tears. All through regard bush. The biggest thing they had was Horse and Cart. Today with 26 Million population, and huge Machines and Billions of $ nothing can get done. Our Grand parents and Great Grand Parents would turn in their graves if they knew.

STOP THE PRESS ~ NEWSFLASH: This just in ~ OLD PEOPLE DONT LIKE CHANGE. 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

Given the amount of railheads, there is no way they will do Melbourne to Brisbane in 24 hours.

Ah yes, Liberals. Apparently great financial managers.

Anyone remember the Toowoomba Range?

Double stacking needs to go. There is no need for it on the east coast period and it has just made things more expensive. The things that make double stacking to Perth possible do not apply to the east. There are mountain ranges to climb that will make double stacking cost prohibitive and there will still be traffic that needs to go through Sydney.

@goingforadds

Жыл бұрын

Mate, have you seen the route? The inland is being used to divert off the Main South and Sydney trains. They'll use Parkes/ Goobang as a junction and run from there. The whole point is to reduce the traffic and need to run over grades

@scottcannell5584

Жыл бұрын

​@@goingforadds no hes a dimwit obviously hasn't done his research and has no idea what he's talking about.

All the complainants have conflicts of interest, because the chosen route will either advantage or disadvantage them or the sections of routes were planned for political reasons. Just get on with it, make it happen already and directly link to the ports without the need for even more trucks on Brisbane and Melbourne roads. Then the Federal government can work on getting interstate highways duplicated, without reference to electoral boundaries.

@gunzel5126

8 ай бұрын

Can anything ever be built for the benefit of Australia without NIMBYS trying to stop it? Oh yeah - freeways. Nothing stops them.

It seems that the only one way to locate the terminal in brisbane is to bore twin tunnels on the last 50km there, or to locate it 50km away.

@15uzu

Жыл бұрын

No need to tunnel bore. Could cut & cover easily if they knew what they were doing. ;-)

@WhiskeyFatimah

Жыл бұрын

@@15uzu No way, the setback from the tunnel outer wall, and the access and the land acquisition needed would cause extensive periods of delays, given the prevalent "NIMBY" syndrome in Australia. If protests and compensation negotiation are already tough to deal with in the country areas, tougher if closer to the cities.

@electro_sykes

Жыл бұрын

can't they just duplicate existing lines. Maybe even extend cross river rail

@bena8121

10 ай бұрын

@@electro_sykes what does cross river rail go to do with this?

This is indicative of Australian Government projects ... there needs to be a clear mandate for any public project limiting moneys (to an extremely low percentage of the total projected cost) for advisers, planners and beaurocratic oversight and any overrun comes out of their pockets not the tax payers. All politicians and beaurocrates should be permanently removed from any further government employment if they fail to manage the projects at or below the initial cost estimation. All these entitled individuals think there is a bottomless bucket of money for their egos and whims. Unfortunately we have a poor culture of not making people responsible for their poor decisions and unethical behaviour.

We need a rail link between Melbourne and Brisbane. There is zero benefit if it doesn't go all the way to Brisbane. Do it properly, unlike the trashed NBN.

Just finish building the bloody thing - properly and to a 21st century standard. When it comes to new regional rail, Australia seems to build things to an early 20th century standard.

Have the planners actually walked the land where this rail is proposed? Or are they sitting behind computer screens looking at 3-D maps of the terrain? The problems with using online facilities to design something like this is that it’s not reality. I had a local project that was designed by people sitting behind computer screens. When I invited them to come on site, they immediately saw that what they were planning would not work. I refer to this technique as using common sense.

Lol nothing ever gets done properly in Australia

@rsinclair6560

Жыл бұрын

Yep $1000 per metre to move one rail in 150mm redrilling old timber sleepers for 400 kilometers or 400000 metres. Mildura to Dunolly.

@paulfri1569

Жыл бұрын

@@rsinclair6560 holy cow 🐄

Of all the government projects started this should be tier 0. An absolute priority and here is why. With strong rail support we can freight farming goods to Melbourne making produce cheaper. currently most farms are using trucks to get produce to the super markets. This is the duopoly coles and Safeway have in logistics and breaking that can only be achieved if we have trains from state to state. Another good comment I saw was the same gauge, 100% all gauges should be standardized but the problem you have is what does the rail infrastructure come under state or federal. This is why we have the different gauge system. Again to fix this is not cheap but the long term cost benefits are insane and industrial capability. However all i see are the greens pushing back on this

It's quite the adventure.

Well thats a balls up

Yeah. I generally work out where I'm going before leaving. 🤠

There's so much background here I'm lacking but from the report, it would seem that there is currently a pause to reassess? The chief advocate seems to have decades of understanding and I can only hope the current federal government bodies responsible pragmatically listen to him to help contain the trajectory of expensive mistakes (which seems a hallmark of the previous federal government--their effort at a better, cheaper NBN was a fail)...

1850s rail was more expansive than what we've got now. probably cheaper and more punctual too

@thomasburke2683

11 ай бұрын

Australia had very little railway in 1850s; three miles in Melbourne 1854, then the Melbourne - Sunbury started 1859. Nothing in NSW, qld etc.

This is the problem when most people after the Boomers were raised to expect a gold star. Same with Snowy 2.0 so this is the inheritance.

It`s like running out of white paint before the elephant is finished being painted .

Maybe look at where the Coal trains are running because in the next 20 years they hope to not have any on those tracks and ports so it would be a good shift over to keep utilising the loss of the coal.

Is the purpose of inland rail to connect all communities, or deliver mass freight from Melbourne to Brisbane? If the latter, just spend the $27B on upgrading the ports at each city and ship the mass freight. It will create more long term jobs and opens up to international markets.

@paulorocky

Жыл бұрын

The idea is to service inland communities for import and export purposes.

@simonboland

Жыл бұрын

I agree that the money should go to ports. It would be better investment.

@electro_sykes

Жыл бұрын

that will be slow as. Instead, why not use Air freight

why not just Build High Speed Rail between Melbourne and Brisbane via Sydney using existing corridors wherever suitable and have high speed passenger and freight Trains

The script for several seasons of 'Utopia' right here.

The coalition are the worst for national projects because they always have one eye on privatisation of these projects.

Why don’t they use the new submarines to move things… simples.

@rsinclair6560

Жыл бұрын

I like that idea. They tow barges on the surface loaded with containers. The sub stays underwater so it cannot be detected no one from space will know. It earns it's keep paying back $800 billion cost blow out.

It probably would have been easier to dig a canal.

Does that mean TOOWOOMBA is going to remain Australia’s biggest Car Park. The rail reserve in Toowoomba has totally gridlocked the City.

how is it possible for them to start building a rail they haven't got all the approvals for??????

@coasterblocks3420

Жыл бұрын

Inland rail possesses eminent domain.

Why blow millions on 50ks through a city pause it

what caused the cost blow outs? why are they building on a flood plane? you’d have to build a very long bridge right?

@coasterblocks3420

Жыл бұрын

Building long viaducts isn’t a new concept. The Roman’s did it to bring water to cities. Piling up a heap of dirt and hoping for the best is the way Queensland Rail behaves after every cyclone on the east coast corridor - the very definition of insanity. When I worked for QR I did the maths and for the cost of all the flood and cyclone rebuilds over the past half century they could have built a double track viaduct over every flood plain from Brisbane to Cairns with money to spare.

@sniperfi4532

Жыл бұрын

Maybe they could just put dozens of culverts per kilometre or just have bridges every so often to allow for flood water flow.

@Rmizis

Жыл бұрын

@@coasterblocks3420can you build cyclone proof viaducts?

@coasterblocks3420

Жыл бұрын

@@Rmizis yes, we’ve been doing it for quite some time now. It’s not particularly exotic technology.

@nc1183

Жыл бұрын

They've built or are building on viaducts and colvert sections around Moree and its a massive flood plain. Where they've done colvert they are 3x the height and width of what was existing

I am not surprised. Most of the intelligent people work in the private sector earning squillions.

0:52 this is how every small, medium and wage earner is. Better words couldn't explain it. And I guarantee there's a shitload of us out there.... Pushing shit uphill every day just to make ends meet while the out of touch pollies keep getting further from the people....

Redfern?😚

They should ditch Brisbane and send it up to Gladstone

I live in Vic along the existing Melb-Syd line. We already have bad train noise and traffic, add more to Brissy, and the second noisist crago being containers (after empty bins) and it is going to be a NIGHTMARE! This project cannot end and the connection of a line from Melb-Bris, it sill have to continue with level crossing removals, rolling stock upgrades, loco changes and it will impact existing freight and passenger rail.

@timthreadgate8980

Жыл бұрын

so you live near a train line and are complaining about train noise, your a clown

This sounds about right politicians' right hand knot knowing what their left hand is doing.

Should be placed in the hands of private enterprize governments aren't geared for these projects.

Moves to a house next to a freight line. Upset about freight trains. Get a grip

I have always wondered why they didn't develop the inland railway corridor to assist with a high speed train system. Blank canvas. And why isn't it dual track and electrified. No-one ever plans for the future or looks outside the square.

@Joe-jd4pn

6 ай бұрын

Because the cost would be horrendous and just not needed.

And from the people that gave you Aukus, who would have thought.

OMG.. if the Chinese built their rail like we do… and during this time everyone around us has high speed rail! Tragedy to say the least!

My Mail is it will go to Gladstone.

This is what happens when people not suitably qualified and not competent are placed in charge of infrastructure projects. Some of the most successful companies in the world such as Microsoft, Google, Apple, and GM are run by engineers, and the same needs to apply here.

@rsinclair6560

Жыл бұрын

Utopia !?

@electro_sykes

Жыл бұрын

if we had a dictatorship, this would have already been complete 20 years ago and so would High speed rail

Why does it take so long and is so expensive to get anything major built in this country. Because politicians of all stripes have put in so many barriers to make constructing any major project a long lengthy and ludicrously expensive undertaking. Community consultation is a waste of time with the two camps having different ideas on what they want. Favour one group and the other screams that they're wishes are being ignored. Indigenous concerns for they only have to find ONE fish bone and suddenly it's now a sacred site and can't be touched. Unless they can find every bone from the whole fish then it's not a sacred site. Environmental hurdles, don't see too many of those with road construction for they can resume land at will and plow through virgin bush land to put in new multi lane roads. But rail omg so many hurdles to overcome when rail is far more environmentally friendly than road will ever be. But there are many road lobbyists in Canberra and NOT ONE rail lobby group for the only rail lobby group is located in Melbourne which may explain why regional rail in Victoria is being revitalised but nowhere else. Politicians may promise this and that at election time for rail and then once elected those promises can be quietly shelved and forgotten about. Another tactic is to say we weren't privy to the treasury costs for the project and we now don't have enough money for the proposed rail project. But we do have enough money to continue with road projects because road lobbyists have seen to that.

Australian. The highest cost with least outcome anywhere in the world. Reason? Walk into any HR department look around see the calibre of individuals tasked with selecting employees. Then just for shits & giggles look at the BS each day just to pick up a tool. Take fives ect!😂 The problem is obvious.

We need more trein

the A.B.C. won't ever make it back to Brisbane! it left Toowong and headed south in more than just direction!

This just another case of follow the money.

A pipe?

Good old Federal LNP Government couldn't build a bloody sand castle

Just buy the land and build it.

This is not a snide remark. I think Australia needs the advice of China rail builders.

@calebmoore1582

Жыл бұрын

I don’t think it’s the rail builders that make the difference… Chinese rail projects are inevitably over budget also. It’s that Chinese journalists know better than trying to derail an already committed to rail project, so they get finished.

Who are these logistics experts. I’ve been in this industry for 30 years, there is no use case for this thing. It’s a giant white elephant.

@markbarbour6381

Жыл бұрын

It's a giant white elephant *if* it's isolated from the broader rail network, which is pretty much what they're doing with the insistence on double stacking.

@coasterblocks3420

Жыл бұрын

Should have built it as a double track instead of single and double stack.

@trandel

Жыл бұрын

To those Commenting here. No, double stack or not. No one in their right mind is going to disembark a TEU in Gladstone to tranship to Melbourne. Who is going to part manifest to Gladstone or Brisbane when your bulk will go to Melbourne. This is shear stupidity. The handling cost allow makes this prohibitive. As for inland destinations outside of Toowoomba I can’t see enough volume to maket this worthwhile.

Too many unqualified, inexperienced, bureaucrats making strategic decisions that they have no business making. Get people into this project that know what they are doing. constant budgetary blowouts point to incompetence. In many ways, it sounds too much like a cash cow for invested interests.

Ohhhh what an absolute laughing joke. It's a rail line. Just build the bloody thing. You do not get this kind of stuff around with highways. Apparently railways are direct competition with trucks and coaches. It's why closed stations such as Molong are no longer open to passenger rail. Maybe there is more than meets the Eye to these delays. We can all forget about the bullet train ever happening too. Just my 2 cents worth...., nah actually my 99cents worth. Merry Christmass all

Poor Government!! equals poor quality projects!! Snowy Hydro ring a bell with stalls and dollar blow outs!! One of many projects failing from our consistently bad government not over seeing these jokers!

Ebeneezer is a joke.. the arterial roads are already choked….

We have the Lib/Nat NBN, Inland Rail project and now Subs. And people voted for them, we’re not talking once we’re talking continually.

@shiraz1736

Жыл бұрын

@@tjmarx I,d rather listen to someone like Keating who actually knows what their talking about, which in essence was Australia keeping its own sovereignty. Subs that can travel around the world? What are we doing maybe we should call ourselves Team Australia world police. You could have been selling us the F-35 under Howard with all that spin.

Let's get serious, employ Chinese know how and crews.

Why build more rail when we can flood the roads with trucks and incompetent drivers.

if this China it would have been built 25 years ago and it would have taken one year to build .....

them are some girl shovels.

Ignorance at play. Man's wisdom strikes again

Is that called looking after taxpayer money😮😢

Bloody NIMBYs at it again

Utopia ….

Typical ABC...... never a complete story, just a puff piece.

stupid to put infrastructure through existing residential. smart countries build where there's space, and let the development happen around that new infrastructure. the best place for a new train station is where there's currently no town, because with a train station, soon there will be one.

@coasterblocks3420

Жыл бұрын

This rail line ain’t for us plebs who want good rail services, it’s for freight.

@Tasmantor

Жыл бұрын

As has already been pointed out to you this is a freight line not a passenger line. Thing about freight is it has a nasty tendency to want to go from where people ARE (not aren't) to where other people are. Freight of nothing made by no one looking to get shipped to some other empty place is already very well serviced. Using your idea we should make an international airport in Cooladdi because it wont upset home owners.

@satoau1

Жыл бұрын

@@coasterblocks3420 it goes to the port, which is right in the middle of the populated area. time to move it.

@satoau1

Жыл бұрын

@@Tasmantor freight doesn't go to populated areas, it goes to the port, which is right in the middle of the populated area. having to take all goods through a populated area when only a small portion is actually to be delivered within that populated area is massively wasteful. time to move it, then you solve the problem with the freight line at the same time.

@coasterblocks3420

Жыл бұрын

@@satoau1 “it goes to the port, which is right in the middle of the…” I’m hard pressed to think of any capital or major city on a deep sea port with rail which doesn’t have large freight logistics operations. The freight lines are there and in use railing freight through the metropolitan area for over 150 years already. There’s issues with the project as you’d expect when the Nationals get their sticky hands on an enormous pot of project money, nothing that can’t be fixed or improved upon. Our rail network has been allowed to wither and decay for close to a century. All new rail investment is good or can be made good. And if you’ve bought next to a railway mainline, boo hoo. Or any railway line actually. Eminent domain.

Why not just put the freight on a boat and send it from Melbourne to Brisbane? In the US a lot of the traffic is carried along the Mississippi/Missouri and Columbia/snake river systems because it’s more economical. Railways are a hangover from the 19th and 20th century when it comes to freight.

@chevrolet-poitiers9507

Жыл бұрын

Because inland rail is meant to bolster inland farms.

@scottcannell5584

Жыл бұрын

They may have the River systems over there Australia doesn't rail is more economical you can move more freight that way and get more truck's off the road

A train derails it stops everyone's freight or destroys perishable goods. Delays freight and blocks the corridor for days, weeks months. A truck goes around. Take another route and gets through a blocked road. Use the money and build better highways and the economy is distributed through rural regions. Small Businesses benifit from road transport and everyone gets to use good roads.

@rsinclair6560

Жыл бұрын

@Nic B more jobs and industry distribution throughout regional areas with road transport, from people working at service centres, food take away. Rail, training too long for train driver operators very unflexible. People see a long container trains and see one driver. However the cost of continued track inspection, repair, daily level crossing tests, the backroom signaling and maintenance. Maybe coal A to B and return continously. Road is door to door. The roads are up graded for all to use not just a rail freight company or two

@goingforadds

Жыл бұрын

@@rsinclair6560 mate, the transport industry is running out of qualified and competent drivers - they're struggling, just like the rail industry to get staff to stay on both sides of the track (e.g. drivers and track workers). Right now, the numbers work for trucks - if, they can get the line haul and shuttle drivers, to maintain routes and consistent service. The dilemma is, rail is just more effective at moving bulk goods - you can't beat a 1200 to 1800m long freight train for cost effectiveness; however, that is only for the now. I agree with what you're saying mate, but it just comes down to people. That's genuinely the key issue.

@rsinclair6560

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@@goingforaddscoastal shipping is the best option . Rail looks efficient but the running/maintenance / signalling cost over the top. Complete balls up of north south standardiation and Murray Basin . Waiting in crossing loops. Crews on specific lines could be trained in months not years. Ararrat to Maryborough another dud line taking adding hours. A truck does the same route Advoca to Ararat less than forty minutes. The same cost to up grade the road would have made given the State a safer road for the public (everyone to use not just a rail company paid by tax payer funds), straighten the curves, wider pavement and long passing lanes. Trucks on good well engineered roads for heavy vehicles everyone gets to use. The economy is well shared throughout regional areas rail is not. No jobs in Albury for rail but plenty of road transport companies. So many small business with road get a share .Even the supermarket distribution centre south of Wodonga prefers inward and outward goods by road. Rail is a token gesture required under State Governments. They have better management of distribution by road now. Still manufacturing trailers in Australia. No significant rail infrastructure or rollingstock made here just put together and body work.

@scottcannell5584

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Bs

It should never go to Brisbane. It should go to Gladstone

@marconi-id7tf

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100% but to be frank we should have std gauge link from Cains to Melbourne electrified as a freight artery.

@marconi-id7tf

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@Nic B coal seems to be effectively moved by electric motive force. Infrastructure to make this possible could be built. An electrified standard gauge artery running the length of the eastern seaboard makes a lot of sense for distribution