"If your masculinity can be stripped with just a few words, you never had it anyways" .....this right here 🙌

@heatherlee2967

2 жыл бұрын

+

@imlookingforthetoweroflear7871

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry, but I was shaking my head all the way through her speech about how the messages around her will never affect the way she views her femininity. I find that kind of stance unrealistic and harmful. It’s saying that if you’re affected by words and messaging then you are weak, when that is just human. Yes, we should strive to be immune to words, but we will never get there. The saying “sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me” is toxic, and this is channeling that energy.

@IjeomaThePlantMama

2 жыл бұрын

@@imlookingforthetoweroflear7871 You find self confidence to be unrealistic? Why do you say "we'll never get there" when it comes to ignoring the bullshit these dusty men spout about how they think women are supposed to act? Confidence like this only comes with age and experience dealing with the exact types of men she's talking about. You inevitably develop a thick enough skin to ignore their nonsense.

@youtubestreets3915

2 жыл бұрын

🎯💯

@pietrycranberry6621

2 жыл бұрын

That isn't it, because groups are suppose to define things that impacts their lives these social meaning can be influenced positively or negatively. Especially coming from a marginalized group who have social, political and economic problems.

The degradation of black women publicly by black men absolutely affects black womens image collectively. You can think society judges you independently but it doesn't we don't get that privilege as black women.

@FoxxyFatima

2 жыл бұрын

Lots of people will argue with you about this, too.

@ForeverLuxeDesigns

2 жыл бұрын

@@FoxxyFatima Really? So how do black men celebrate black women? Where is all the support and respect for black women coming from? Ill wait......

@Treize132

2 жыл бұрын

It certainly does. The public disrespect and encourage non-black people especially non-black women to join in inbthe disrespect of degradation. The Divestment movement was originally created to detach from the toxic and ingrained mysoginoir in the black community

@beautiful8853

2 жыл бұрын

💯

@wherethequietbeingsgo

2 жыл бұрын

@@ForeverLuxeDesigns racially unambiguous black women at that. Never seen them positively praise us in a mass volume.

Honestly, as black women we just need to live our lives and stop thinking about men so much. Our lives don't need to revolve around them.

@janepaige928

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly.

@marleyhill34

2 жыл бұрын

The only way that's going to happen is through therapy because a lot of us have wounds from black men in such a way that a non-black man never cut us that deep.

@Babyluv_

2 жыл бұрын

This!!!!! I say the same.

@nolimittee94

2 жыл бұрын

Period!

@missi7196

2 жыл бұрын

This.

Interesting, "Black boys are loved and Black girls are raised". I completely agree with your breakdown. There are so many levels of toxicity, which affects the Black community its troublesome. The bigger issues amongst all of our issues is that Black women is expected to resolve all of them.

@scarletonyx1

2 жыл бұрын

This is so true!

@chocolatebunny3221

2 жыл бұрын

I too have had the same experience in my life as soon as my boy cousin started coming over our house and I saw how my mom loved and coddles him but is a complete bitch towards me. And then she has the audacity to tell me “stop being like that”🤔🤔🤔 fucking pardon?!?👂👂👂 I spent 22 years being treated like shit and you think I’m supposed to let that slide when you’re showing another child that isn’t yours the love that I was supposed to be getting??🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 situations and comments like this is why the black community will fail every single time.🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

@nataliekhanyola5669

2 жыл бұрын

@@chocolatebunny3221 I'm soo sorry you went through that.

@chocolatebunny3221

2 жыл бұрын

@@nataliekhanyola5669 thank you for the unpacking process is going to be extensive.

@ZenofhdTV

2 жыл бұрын

More like black boys are neglected

Ti I’m an 19 yr old British black dude. And I believe that we black men collectively need to pull our socks up….. I think it’s the mindset of black men that inhibits our success and escaping of the system….. as opposed to the lack of resources. Yes this system unapologetically has a disdain for black people. But a lot of black men willingly choose to play into it, by pedestalising white chicks, and harming black women and children. For instance racism isn’t forcing black dudes to abandon their kids. It’s the collective mindset and cultural norms that black men have created that make them do it

@alias4506

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your honesty. Us women can talk all we want but it’s the men that need to move 🤷🏾‍♀️🤷🏾‍♀️

@suezcontours6653

2 жыл бұрын

Too little too late. Black women are just done with black males. Stop pandering

@Dangerous_Peace

2 жыл бұрын

I see you, accountability.

@ittckus1

2 жыл бұрын

Well said!

@julianshepherd2038

2 жыл бұрын

Casualised employment doesn't help keep a family together and it is more common amongst black folk in Britain.

I believe men generally don't learn until you leave. And that's just my attitude. I'm not participating in the madness. We talk all day, hell talked for years with them. It's like volunteering for the deterioration of your own sanity. As a former activist, I'm tired sis, y'all got it from here.

@PenelopeSnowe

2 жыл бұрын

This!

@catmouse2882

2 жыл бұрын

When Black women fully walk away from Nakerville ie Blackistan...that's when you will see a change with the collective of Black men. .

@janepaige928

2 жыл бұрын

Amen

@butterflygirl01

2 жыл бұрын

@@catmouse2882 and black women have to walk away idk why they think they need black men because they don’t. Even with black women currently still protecting and worshipping them, they’re still refuse to protect, provide , marry , and father the children they make with them so it won’t be anything they’re missing out on when they walk away🤷🏽‍♀️ They ain’t to say bw shouldn’t be with a bm, if he’s decent/ a rare good bm then I see no issue, but the pro blkness , the marching, trying to protect every random bm, flying to other countries desperately looking for blk love when they can simply just open their options , that’s what I mean by walking away, don’t put too much of your energy and time into bm , it’s not worth it

@twoplustwo07

2 жыл бұрын

@@catmouse2882 I doubt that because they have started calling Latino women bed wenches, and that they think they are better then us(this is a bm’s comment) because they are lighter than them even though they are part of African heritage. BM have distain for bw but as other races of women see how bad bm are they will have even more distain for bw and a distain for other races of women. There will always be PICKMES but Once divested bw leave bm for good bm will just start going in more and more on other races of women. PICKMES will get the brunt of the harassment and violence because they already put up with whatever bm throw their way. I just watched a video of a PICKME girlfriend that started a go fund me to get her rapist boyfriend out of jail. They had witnesses, dna, he was caught with the the young ladies Apple Watch, wallet,keys, and other items but the girlfriend still believed her rapist boyfriend. A PICKME can be any race of woman. She was a delusional bw in this case.

You brought up a great point about emasculation essentially being a myth. Black women get disregarded, and degraded all the time. Like they literally say black women are straight up masculine, but we don’t walk around saying whatever variation of depriving us of our identity and role would be.

@sp123

2 жыл бұрын

This problem is that masculinity keeps changing depending on the environment, there's a few consistent tenants but no real concrete rules

@kurokaizen1889

2 жыл бұрын

It is not a myth.

@csimmzy

Жыл бұрын

That's wild, by the way. That there isn't even a name for the female version of being emasculated. It's almost as if only one side gets to complain about these feelings of deprivation 🤔🤔🤔 Hmmmmmmmm

@sp123

Жыл бұрын

@@csimmzy its called being butch

@butterflymage5623

Жыл бұрын

@@csimmzy the lack of their being a name doesn’t mean women don’t get to complain and talk about it. That’s everywhere.

The reality behind "Black boys are loved, Black girls are raised" is: That's how MOTHERS (of all races) raise their children. Ask women of other races/cultures who was the parent that was harder on them: they will all tell you resoundingly "it was my mother. She was hard on me and let my brother(s) get away with everything!" I live in a neighborhood that's mostly Armenian and I see that dynamic playing out even more intensely than in the black community. The difference? Dad is in the home to create that balance: Dad babies the girls and is harder on the boys. That's how it was in my household growing up. It creates an environment where each child is coddled and challenged simultaneously. Unfortunately, the imbalance is super-obvious in the Black community because too many of the households are headed only by the mother. It's not "Willie Lynch", it is simply the result of trying to drive a car with only half the tires. Shit's gonna be skewed to the side.

@marvinandjosh1

2 жыл бұрын

GREAT point.

@Divine_Beauty-uh9xi

2 жыл бұрын

Excellent point I've seen WW coddle their sons but the white dads bring balance.

@gorgeousmitch9722

2 жыл бұрын

This 💯

@EqqusHearts

2 жыл бұрын

Can confirm my mom is Latino and it’s bad with us too. Plus our moms are usually hardcore Catholics so there’s definitely some Madonna/whore complex playing a part. Although I definitely think a lot of white-folks let all their kids get away with waaaaay more than they should.

@Jenna1394

2 жыл бұрын

Great points you made here.

Many of the people in the comments are correct that divestment isn’t mainly about dating out. It’s about putting yourself FIRST as a BW before the community. And this may involve dating out, not dealing with certain family or choosing NOTA to fight for every single issue in the community. That’s what it’s about. People in the divestment community know this. It’s others on the outskirts that have narrowed the concept down to “dating-out”.

@BrayBray78

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, they want us to stay and tough it out. And we don’t have to. Men like women period. We can find someone who loves us for us.

@theman9048

2 жыл бұрын

Let's be real nobody in that community has fought for anything in the black community

@trianna2008

2 жыл бұрын

Aight. Even if this were true, clearly it’s affecting your branding/image to the outside world. The comments on KZread videos I see NEVER mention putting themselves first- it’s purely based on some reason to hate black men. This is what people who have nothing to do with the divestment movement see, and people who align themselves with disgust for black men are the ones who’ll be attracted to your group because of it, then continue to spew the same garbage rhetoric to attract more black men hating black women, and so on and so forth. So, maybe your core belief hasn’t changed, but your message has become so twisted that it’s completely changed the image of what y’all represent.

@SunandSunflowers

2 жыл бұрын

@@trianna2008 our image was tarnished long ago. It was explained many times as the original commentor broke down meaning of divestment. ones that get it will, the ones that don't, oh well 🤷‍♀️

@dwf6431

2 жыл бұрын

@@trianna2008 Yeah can’t imagine the amount of men and women who come to these comment sections with a neutral mindset that end up getting lost in a spiral of hate. I see divested women explaining the difference between them and divested men in a completely bias and self serving manner in this comment section essentially patting themselves on the back. No you are definitely one in the same, everyone feels like they are the hero and the victim of their own story. Neither side holds themselves accountable and blames everything on the other side.

The problem that I have with these men degrading black women is that it has the potential to increase violence against black women... Personally I don't internalize what they say either.. but if there's someone from the outside looking in they might think it's okay to treat black women really badly and said "no one cares anyways".

@b3llyfull

2 жыл бұрын

Right I mean the black guy that snapped in nyc subway mass target practicing was a kitten heels follower

@hollyjames.

2 жыл бұрын

It already is increasing the violence against BW though. That's exactly it. Even during the short pathetic run Kevin Samuels had, the violence against us increased. The hate manifested in reality. No potential here. You're right.

@iamdebaby8152

2 жыл бұрын

Y'all stay on the internet to much. Those black men on those podcast are a loud minority. Look at Africa for example. It's over 1 billion black there and almost all of them are dark skinned. Colorism isn't a big thing at all.

@user-nk8uy4rz7h

2 жыл бұрын

@@iamdebaby8152 if you think these internet culture wars don’t manifest in real life you aren’t looking hard enough. Talking to male acquaintances, I constantly see them bringing up red pill podcast bro type talking points. They recommend these grifters to me as philosophical leaders. It’s exhausting and it absolutely effects people’s real life views, attitudes and actions.

@AnimeBoysOnly

2 жыл бұрын

Thats exactly what hip hop did. People all over the world have a sexualized view of black women due to hiphop. We are often seen as loose and hyper sexual.

I tell all women, please de-center men, as in all of them irrespective of race/tax bracket and practice self-preservation. Once you stop making men the focal point in your life, everything falls into place: no preferences/exclusions, no stress to fit into a box and please, no pressure to do anything that doesn't fall within your standards. There's always a movement of sort and it's tiring. Live your life and select the best man/person for your standards/lifestyle. It's not a one size fit all.

@csimmzy

Жыл бұрын

In the immortal words of Megan Thee Stallion - "Ladies, love yourself because this s-t could get ugly/That's why it's f-k n-s, get money"

The fact is blk women need to stop worrying about impressing men especially blk men. We should be concerned about our safety, health and mental condition. We Need to start choosing self over a community that doesn't protect you

I’m a black woman and I’ve always been interested in men and women of all races so discovering “divestment” content on KZread was weird bc I didn’t realize there was a war going on lol. Dating interacially was never something I did because I felt like black men hated me. Conversely, I’ve never dated any black men with strange, conspiratorial opinions about black women. Whenever I stumble upon some toxic black male podcast lambasting black women, I can’t even feel insulted bc I have no idea what they’re talking about. It’s like they’re trying to convince me the sky is green. I think it would benefit a lot of people to take a break from social media bc these echo chambers are almost like an alternate reality.

@nyshyn307

2 жыл бұрын

Same. My whole life I lived in hoods but went to very diverse schools and extracurricular programs, the difference between how people in each space viewed everything racial convinced me they just live in different realities. At home, everyone used to speak about interracial dating very maliciously and perpetuate the idea it was ALWAYS intentional and due to some inner need to show off their "other" partner as a trophy. I've never seen anything like that in reality.....unless I'm around the same ones who claim that's the case ironically enough

@missfefeloves

2 жыл бұрын

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

@KC-ki9uj

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like you didn't grow up around 99% black people in the south as I did. I never even considered white men until college. I was interested in Asian males since middle school. My point is exposure. How could you like something you are never around. I don't think ill ever be comfortable in any environment where its all white or all Asians. All my childhood black was the majority. I dont know what its like to be the token black friend. i don't think i can lol. but i need to get out my comfort zone.

@Igboman87

Жыл бұрын

Excellent take

@bunnywavyxx9524

Жыл бұрын

that last line is truly it

Being a "pickme" woman isn't just relegated to Black women. Any woman who is doing everything possible to get and keep a man. That's a trait any race of woman can have.

@sdothoward2743

Жыл бұрын

It's called competition. Which is why the BW is least married and will continue for the foreseeable future

@WhoAuthorizedThis

Жыл бұрын

@@sdothoward2743 Black women are the least married because men usually propose. Black women as a majority still exclusively tether themselves to black men and well they don’t value marriage or family. Simple. Now why anyone would “compete” for that is absurd to me, but go off.

@gcode305

Жыл бұрын

That’s the design and what y’all are here for “to be a helpmate”. Don’t like it take that up with the creator. Non black men don’t even want y’all like y’all think. Dead last on EVER seeing a ring.

@ummeshariff

Жыл бұрын

​@@gcode305 help mate to your husband!! And you ayypes don't marry any race of woman. Once you go black, you become a single mother. I can't stand fake religious males

And divesting never started out like this. The original purpose was to put your self interests first and doing what you think is best for yourself, not just about interracial dating and/or excluding Black men from your dating pool. I felt that movement had potential, but not any more, seeing the anti-Blackness as whole that is very prevalent within the movement.

@thefashionextraordinaire

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly!! Very

@getoffmygrass4857

2 жыл бұрын

when i first saw it pop up it was about black women bashing black men and uplifting white men.

@HyphenatedHistoryUK

2 жыл бұрын

With time, every issue seems to eventually condense to a matter of dating, I’ve noticed

@jasminemoon9965

2 жыл бұрын

@@HyphenatedHistoryUK right and it’s so annoying 😭

@anissa2361

2 жыл бұрын

@@HyphenatedHistoryUK Right, it's all still within the male gaze.

I feel all that about being secure in your femininity. I do woodworking, wear men’s dress shoes occasionally and it doesn’t negate how fem I feel.

Divesting is not about dating out. It's about leaving behind toxic, self defeating attitudes, practices and beliefs that have been ingrained into you since birth by the Black "community ". Dating or pairing up with anyone is an option, and some choose not to deal with men at all., especially not Black men. It's about moving away from dangerous, lowly maintained Black neighborhoods, churches, "friends", people and all the oppressive BS that comes with them. This includes toxic Black family members. It's about focusing on living your best life and leaving the trash behind. I wish y'all would get this right, but many of you won't, purposely.

@janines6680

2 жыл бұрын

Say it louder for the pickmes and mammies in the back!

@Asigedge

2 жыл бұрын

100000% agree!!!

@joeblack2809

2 жыл бұрын

Dating has always been the entire point of divesting because it was Pink Pill who originally birthed the thought child that even is divestment TODAY! That’s why she’s gone to PUBLICLY and VERBALLY denounce and distance herself from these crazy divesting anti black misandrists

@SunandSunflowers

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. getting it wrong on purpose

@BrayBray78

2 жыл бұрын

Nope, they want us to feel bad for caring about ourselves. I think they know a lot of BW are giving up on the community and it scares them.

Not to be a stickler but divesters aren’t BW who choose to date out, those are swirlers. Divesters, yes date out, but they are also divested and try to be removed from all of the “negative” parts of black culture. No marching for police brutality, no highlighting hip hop culture etc

@karma-queenofflames376

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! There was a lot of misinformation in this video regarding Divestors. There's a difference between swirlers and divestors and a lot of people conflate the two. Her description was that of swirlers, not divestors.

@hollyjames.

2 жыл бұрын

I think she knows that actually. As "nuanced" as she tried to be, "think piecing" responses to abuse. No finger on the pulse of the plight of her own image. Some BW are just out of touch by choice. This is unfortunate to see. BW's responses when it comes to their own safety should not be "intellectualized". How unfortunate.

@milacatagonocean1504

2 жыл бұрын

@@hollyjames. Out of touch, and to be honest, as heinous towards BW as bm, because how could you expect absolutely no reaction, or the continuation of the same responses, in light of the de@th of a BW; every 5 hours, the poverty, abuse, degradation, and violence towards BW and BGs. They just don't care. That's why BW divestment channels must continue, in order to save as many as can be saved, and to break this debaucherous, and filthy cycle.

@hollyjames.

2 жыл бұрын

@@milacatagonocean1504 Yes, and like she said..some people are not your people. BW who cannot see this issues with BW and girls as URGENT matters are not my people. Head still in the clouds, and minimizing a threat makes a person dangerous. I just wish the BW that did this didn't have a platform to try to lull BW back to sleep.

@milacatagonocean1504

2 жыл бұрын

@@hollyjames. Another thing, if there are so many loving, kind, protective, providing kangs, why aren't any of these women ever with them? Why are they listening to Divested content? I'd be busy being happy with my man, IF those circumstances really existed. And for anyone who asks why we keep viewing divestment content, if we're divested - it is to keep informed about the level of the threat, violence and crime towards BW and BGs, to warn others, to be amongst like minded women, and to come up with ideas for protection, and sometimes to talk about the much better qualities of MEN in different communities. NOW, that should answer all questions!

The hyperbole of the internet: where everyone thinks their perspective is the "right" one. Career women vs homemakers, neither one of these is "wrong". You nailed it when you said people justify their views by throwing other people under the bus. No respect at all. There also needs to be an acknowledgement of how misogyny plays into these scenarios, or else it's disingenuous. Everything you said about masculinity was on point, because you can't tell a black woman anything about her womanhood. She knows it. It's in her. It should be in men as well. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be. It shows a lack of knowledge of self. And that's tragic. Also, I love black people...always. We all we got.

@giovannime3192

Жыл бұрын

Say it louder for those in the back! There are bigger issues in the black community to focus on. Blaming won't help

Y’all don’t tell anyone but I fell headfirst into the the level-up/divest community a few years ago. It was my response to growing up in a community where I was denigrated/belittled, lusted after but also seen as ugly for my hair/skin. The community helped me realize the I deserved to be loved and cared for. That I shouldn’t be ashamed to dress up and always look my best. It also taught me to chase after my educational and personal goals. Unfortunately it kinda turned dark with the obsession with yt men and some level-up circles saying things like natural hair is ugly. It stopped being about self-improvement and finding a quality partner. PS “pink pill” is a thing started by a lovely lady here on KZread. I disagree with her on a lot and some of her videos are absolute cringe. But I appreciate that she is ultimately #teamblackwomen improving their lives. PPS Sis drop your body care routine because your skin is glowing!!!

@mysterious2007damn

2 жыл бұрын

Omg her skin is "glowing" because she has OIL on it 🙄

@jaw5182

2 жыл бұрын

Me too. I've pulled back because it's all about attracting rich WM and I was just interested in improving myself for myself.

@butterflygirl01

2 жыл бұрын

The Twitter divestors are always team natural hair so I guess it’s a mixed of different opinions. I’m not a divestor btw but I follow some on Twitter

@MeganAllen1738

2 жыл бұрын

This is exactly why I pulled back too. Back in the days 80% of the women were level headed, kind, & black-women-centred. Now, they're lowkey anti black, bash natural hair & obsessed with non black men. All of them aren't like that, but it's frankly disgusting.

@uwu-fm2kj

2 жыл бұрын

@@butterflygirl01 yeah the Twitter divest is very pro natural hair- but I do occasionally come across the “white men prefer natural hair so wear it natural” angle which is weird to me bc like…who cares that they do? (Although growing up in a 87% white country in a 99% white community I can see this does hold true somewhat) like it should be about self acceptance not what white or any other race of men likes.

They are both extremists that I avoid at all costs.

@angelofscorpio

2 жыл бұрын

Same!

@nappyheadedjojoba

2 жыл бұрын

+1 🙋🏾‍♀️

@carterchronicles3752

2 жыл бұрын

Avoiding like the plague because I CANNOT!!! 🙅🏾‍♀️🙅🏾‍♀️🙅🏾‍♀️

@suezcontours6653

2 жыл бұрын

Divestors are right, though. Black men are not great options for mates if they don't hold themselves accountable

@freespiritedaquarius913

2 жыл бұрын

@@suezcontours6653 that sounds like a lack of discernment🤷🏾‍♀️

Blaming the DV of Black men towards BW on just poverty is irresponsible. Ray Carruth says otherwise as well as many other examples. It’s the low standard that they’re given for caring, protecting, and valuing woman who look like them. BM are coddled and given the biggest piece of chicken literally and figuratively by us at a rate that is simply worship if we’re speaking honestly. And they are bringing the least to the table of all men and especially of our community collectively. Statistics say I have the least amount of chance of being able to rest in my femininity with the performance demonstrated by BM. Including the femicide rates, child abandonment rates, and the aversion to marriage what are you really even getting even if the few that do marry-do mostly chose black woman (until they can achieve enough to get their preferences). If BM weren’t so low achieving financially they wouldn’t date the and marry at even the current rates. Even the broke ones stick with us for the benefit we bring as the resource bread winners. Chose better ladies. Secure your progeny a better life and you some statistical evidence based personal safety. Looking for a unicorn just willing to date BW and finding one isn’t enough. Our culture has groomed the red flags into them.

@butterflygirl01

2 жыл бұрын

That’s a in denial untruthful bw for u. They’ll lie and be disingenuous on the behalf of other black women and children but keep it 💯 honest about what black men go through. That’s why you can’t get black women to protest for black women issues because they know they’d have to stop lying to themselves and actually tell the truth, they don’t want to, many black women not brainwashed like that anymore, they refuse to give af about themselves and other black women because they can’t and don’t want to stop worshipping BM.

@catmouse2882

2 жыл бұрын

This🥰💯 As a Black woman I've watched my brother destroy ALL relationships he has had with Black women. He has created 2 impoverished broken homes and he is gleefully working on a 3rd. He has 5 kids by 2 different women and he current baby mama is pregnant with baby #6. She herself already has like 4 kids by 3/4 different Black men. He secretly married her. Me and my mother are talking about moving...out of the country. If I can get my best friend on board it be heaven❤ Black women need to save themselves. Leave Black men alone and your days will be long...I truly believe that.

@Cornelius419

Жыл бұрын

Foh...lmao 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I concur with so many of the comments here. How the concept of divestment is presented HAS devolved, but the NOT the idea itself of DISTANCING yourself from TOXICITY. This includes divesting from environments where your interests are not served, imbalanced relationships and expectations. Divestment also includes elevating self interest and self care. I am sooooo glad to see black women increasingly abandoning notions that long suffering, ride or die, imbalanced relationships are virtuous. Divestment is different from hyper-gamy though. One may or may not be divested while in a hypergamous relationship.

@fangal12

2 жыл бұрын

I got to the divestment party late. The notions of anti struggle love and black women empowerment is what had me start to go down the divestment rabbit hole but the conversations quickly turned to disparaging all black men, calling them pookies and bullet bags while also putting non black men on a pedestal. That's when I got off the train

@shopwithleslie

2 жыл бұрын

@@fangal12 Each creator has their own niche, serving a particular need or audience. I have yet to find one where I agree with EVERYTHING, and I cannot take many. I would recommend though the The Awakened Woman's Network. She has a KZread channel among other social media.

@fangal12

2 жыл бұрын

@@shopwithleslie thank you for the recommendation. I'll check out her channel

@milacatagonocean1504

2 жыл бұрын

@@fangal12 Has bm calling BW bit(hes, h0es, thots, skeezers, tricks, bald, nappy headed; on and on, for over 40 years, kept you from listening to rap music? If the answer is no, you, my friend, can come on down and grab your mammy - pick me prize = DUST!

Interesting perspective. I don’t love the idea of directly comparing divested BM to divested BW. The reasons black men divest from black women are WOEFULLY incomparable to the reasons black women have decided to divest. My decision to divest isn’t born of self-hate. Divestment for me is radical self-care. I think the leading divestors in this space have presented an abundant amount of data to show that the vast majority of BM in our community are incapable of providing for the families they create, refuse to seek educational opportunities regardless of decades of financial aid specifically for black people, and engage in a variety of criminal and immoral behaviors that directly affect our own communities. BM typically divest because the BW has achieved a level of agency and security beyond what he was able to secure. BW typically divest because BM become more of a liability on their mental health, physical health, and finances. I don’t believe either side should be attacking the other side (divestors & pickmes). I don’t speak to people about my lifestyle outside of these anonymous KZread streets 🤣 but I think there’s something to be said about black women acting in their best interest. If that means self-hate in the black community, well that’s another reason I divested many years ago. We have a bad habit of presenting false equivalents and not taking a realistic look at the actual problems are in our community, because we want to protect the fragility of the black male ego. When they build and provide provisions for their communities then we can talk. But as long as black women are being mother, father, hunter, gatherer, pitcher and catcher…y’all can miss me with the false outrage and faux-self hate mantra.

@yujuy.1329

2 жыл бұрын

There is no such thing as “divested” bm. They always require and demand work and benefits from the community whereas divested BW can truly build a life elsewhere

@lasirena_

2 жыл бұрын

@@yujuy.1329 agreed! Lol. I used the term for general communication purposes. I didn’t want to split too many hairs. If you aren’t divested, you don’t know how to even approach that conversation. But yes, 100%! You are correct.

@morticiarobin172

2 жыл бұрын

@@lasirena_ you speak so eloquently. Every word you typed were my exact sentiments. Divesting isn’t about some stupid online“gender war” between BM & BW. It’s about the self preservation of black woman. I divested so I CAN LIVE smh.

@lasirena_

2 жыл бұрын

@@morticiarobin172 Hi lovely! Thank you for your affirming words and I’m happy I was able to communicate our values effectively. The problem is that black women and black women ONLY have inherited the unreasonable responsibility of protecting everyone else but ourselves! Even in the face of undeniable data, we are still told to love and support the community that has chewed us up and spit us out. I took a hard look at my “black community” and came to the sobering realization that our food, modern music, educational practices, sexual practices, familial infrastructure and social laws were not in my best interest as a black women. Further more, they are trending to being even more devastating for my existence as a black woman. It’s through radical SELF LOVE that I made the decision to leave that community and only salvage the aspects of my community that serve to positively impact my livelihood. It’s just unfortunate that virtually ALL of our community knows how devastating the black community can be to women and children, yet they will still HATE you for escaping. The key is to love yourself more than they hate you. 💕

@morticiarobin172

2 жыл бұрын

@@lasirena_ please don’t ever stop speaking the truth. Its inspiring. It’s so hard to communicate effectively when your constantly being gaslit. I hate the “you should have chose better” narrative. The “not all” disclaimers are nauseating. It gives BM another warm blanket of unaccountability to cower under. This makes me so sad. I love BW, I want us all to thrive safely in nurturing environments. I wish more BW would wake up already!

Idk the diverstors are onto something. The problem is, it shouldn't be about divesting TO anybody but simply divesting from black men. That's been necessary for some time and we wouldn't be complaining about the list of things black women go through otherwise. I think you have to weigh them up and which group causes more harm to women - there is only one.

@DivestedFromBlackistann

2 жыл бұрын

That is what divesting is about, stop listening to these lievestors on divestment listen to ppl like MAD, DZ, or Mocha the blueprint and then go from there.

@truckin_babe

2 жыл бұрын

Divesting is not about dating out. It's about leaving behind toxic, self defeating attitudes, practices and beliefs that have been ingrained into you since birth by the Black "community ". Dating or pairing up with anyone is an option, and some chose not to deal with men at all., especially not Black men. It's about moving away from dangerous, lowly maintained Black neighborhoods, churches, people and all that comes with them, including toxic Black family members. I wish y'all would get this right, but you won't, purposely.

@mizanna622

2 жыл бұрын

@@truckin_babe Exactly. People are completely conflating "swirling" with divestment. the definition means free of or to deprive of -- meaning no longer will BW give anything to ANYONE or ANYTHING unless she wants to. BW owe love to no one except themselves.

@sanaaniz

2 жыл бұрын

It’s not about dating you mfs made it about dating 🤡 a lot of divestors are single btw

@j_g1

2 жыл бұрын

@@sanaaniz I was going to bother replying to some of you individually re: your replies but you just seem nasty and angry and there wouldn't be a point. I hear you.

Divestment is not about dating shoot. Im a lesbian and a divester. Its about black women putting themselves first! Its about bringing awareness to how black women are constantly being executed every 5 hours by our black counterparts! Divestment is about safety for black women. And about leaving blackistan behind. It doesnt benefit us to stay. Im tired of bw carrying this community on our back with no help from our said kangs. Thats it nothing more and nothing less

@blackbyrdsangin4505

2 жыл бұрын

I agree with you . Seems like alot of ppl confuse swirling black women with divestors. I'm single but my goal is to distance myself from the bc . Mentally ,emotionally and physically.

@unknown-feather

2 жыл бұрын

💯

@b3llyfull

2 жыл бұрын

@@blackbyrdsangin4505 do it ma and dont look back!!

@mercyarek3940

2 жыл бұрын

Remember dusty comes in all race, even men of other races can be more of a beast than black men. Please don't date someone because of his race only.

@catmouse2882

2 жыл бұрын

As a Black woman I couldn't agree with you more. I'm married to a non-Black man who had a Black stepfather. Even when the Black man is in the home their sons usually turn out...not good. My promise to myself is my second husband will be a non-Black man with no ties to the Black community. He bet not have more than 1 Black male friend.

For the most part I agree with you! The only issue I have is the professing your love of BM collectively. Not all BM are deserving of love. Some are predators. So I keep my options open for all groups of men and use discernment when dating.

@catmouse2882

2 жыл бұрын

I think you explained divesting in nutshell

@Heyitskrystal

2 жыл бұрын

No she described swirling in a nutshell which is different from divesting which is excusing yourself from dating BM ever, under any circumstances and divorcing yourself from any and all toxic messaging we are raised with.

@SunandSunflowers

2 жыл бұрын

@@Heyitskrystal yup. She described swirling not divesting

@Cozyposies

2 жыл бұрын

@@Heyitskrystal exactly girl like #ALL

@missyd1215

Жыл бұрын

I agree. Personally, I think bw need to stop professing their unyielding loyalty to bm or any group of man or person for that matter. People have to earn your respect and loyalty. I feel that has been one of bws biggest blunders.

Ehhh…lol. Divesting in my opinion and understanding is about holding the community accountable as a whole. It’s about black women putting themselves first. Collectively black men fall short. We can focus on the few that’s good but there is a problem with black men and until black people are honest about it then change will never happen. FYI I never had a bad black man so I know exists but I can also see the problem as a whole.

@lifeis2171

2 жыл бұрын

Facts. Pretty photo like drop dead gorgeous girly.

@HandleUnclear

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, black culture that developed from colonized groups is not conducive to raising "good men", has nothing to do with their skin colour. It's is up to the individual man to break free of this culture, unfortunately many of them choose to find validation and healing from outside groups at the expense of black women. Unfortunately this has led to a movement of black women who are seemingly returning the "favor".

@butterflygirl01

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly it takes a non pickme bw to see the bigger issue. Just because there’s no bad bm in your family u know of doesn’t mean the vast majority other bm aren’t bad .

@MeganAllen1738

2 жыл бұрын

Yessss

@Xara_K1

2 жыл бұрын

Part of the problem is exactly the fact that divestment is so subjective. I've beennon Themis and Thoth's channel and was in the comments when two groups were agreeing on divestment, until one group realised that the other group still dates Bm. Then suddenly they were at war because both were now fighting over what divestment means.

"Black boys are loved and black girls are raised" wheww!! That's my childhood in one sentence.

I don’t support male-identified behavior from women period. Rather than pedestalizing any man, one should be be putting their own interests first-it was the original basis of divestment, but it has derailed into an alternate form of pickme-ism.

@hahashipem._.6294

2 жыл бұрын

What is male-identified behavior?

@butterflygirl01

2 жыл бұрын

@@hahashipem._.6294 act like a lady but think like a man. A woman that supports r Kelly or men like him over victims. A woman that was harmed by a man while in the same breath protecting his image or yelling protect the men look like him despite being harmed by him and shamed by the rest of those men, example megan the stallion and Tory lanez , and the response from black men , which many black women went ahead and copied after instead is siding with Megan , I promise u if majority of blk men defended Megan, black women would have as well but we live in a community where bro code exists and bm are on code no matter who is harmed women or children and women have adapted to that so they also protect the men over themselves, children, and other women.

@taelove9830

2 жыл бұрын

@@butterflygirl01 so how is that divestors?

@butterflygirl01

2 жыл бұрын

@@taelove9830 ask divestors cause I’m not one

@taelove9830

2 жыл бұрын

@@butterflygirl01 I AM ONE AND IM SAYING DONT ADD US IN UR BLAKISTAN SHIT. YAL ARE OBSESSED WITH US WHEN WE DONT EVEN FUCK WITH YAL BLAKISTANIES

It *is* divesters vs pickmes. The whole point of both sides is that they claim to be empowered women, but judge each other based on the opposing groups relation to Bm and nothing else. It's the weirdest liberation ever.

@kae324

2 жыл бұрын

Nooo pick mes/mules can't empower bw anyone lol they're truly for the males mostly & only the years I've noticed on and offline especially the church ones

@j.rising7286

2 жыл бұрын

Facts!💯💯💯

@sayeedharem4673

2 жыл бұрын

Only on KZread I don't define myself by who I'm subscribed to Knowing that ppl say one thing and do another .It's true that yt supremacy's has given us religion , healthcare , services , government , technology ,applicances and invention and what has BM given us !? armshouse ? Competition between females . Has all their burgeoning business taken over like ebony jet bet rap music jazz and don't own a thing in sports or the adult industry . Let's not purposely wear blinkers . Divestors are saying their getting attention from some good men they're just not nakers

@artheaux666

2 жыл бұрын

The only thing is their origins. Divestors mainly existed bc of the disillusionment of black men and their shortcomings. Whereas pick mes rather excuse away those shortcomings with delusions.

@j.rising7286

2 жыл бұрын

@@artheaux666 I think the origins of the Black American Pick Me is White Supremacy and AntiBlackness… IJS

I'm a 22 year old black man and I came across some of the Divestors on the internet and man I was so scared. U had a woman my mama age telling me how inferior I am when compared to a white man. One of the first times in my life were the internet actually made me sick.

@AnimeBoysOnly

2 жыл бұрын

Have you seen the manosphere and red pill? What is your reaction to that?

@iamdebaby8152

2 жыл бұрын

@@AnimeBoysOnly yes I have but they in no way bring up Eugenics in order to tell young black girls they are less then white woman. 🤷🏾‍♂️

@iamdebaby8152

2 жыл бұрын

@@AnimeBoysOnly and I stay away from those red pill dudes it's nothing but a lot of old sad niggas

@iamdebaby8152

2 жыл бұрын

@@hollyjames. u are lying show me a video where they are saying to kill black women. Because I can show u a video of a black women saying that black men should be aborted. Yall just ignore that no group of women are Convicted of murder more then black women so that bull if u think every bw that is killed dies from a black man. When y'all black women are the majority in women prisons.

@AnimeBoysOnly

2 жыл бұрын

@@iamdebaby8152 then you haven't watched enough. They say horrible things about black women. The divestment movement was a response to red pill.

I will say this video is a breath of fresh air! I love that you openly say you only want BM, but you are still Not A Pick Me!! You can’t say you have a Black bf/husband in this space anymore without being called a mammy/pick me. Excellent break down.

@taelove9830

2 жыл бұрын

most of u who marry and date black men are mammies and pick mes

@ummeshariff

Жыл бұрын

She's advocating for men so she is a pick me

@ummeshariff

Жыл бұрын

If she wasn't a pick me she wouldn't give a d*** what anybody says about these males

What is this? A balanced perspective on the internet? Wahhhh have I wandered off into an alternate dimension? Amazing work Nappyheadedjojoba! You really gave a balanced insight into the problem.

Idk, I just feel like the way we talk about each other, is like an abuse victim who got away from the abuser (our oppressors) and now we're just replaying out all of it on each other cause we all got comfortable with the treatment.

There are some divestors who actively participate in WS; that's a big problem as well.

@lemonline3719

2 жыл бұрын

Yupp! Some even align themselves with yt racists (and I'm convinced that some online aren't even actually Black)

@iwhippedcreamcode4642

2 жыл бұрын

WHO?

@iwhippedcreamcode4642

2 жыл бұрын

@@lemonline3719 How?

@uwu-fm2kj

2 жыл бұрын

@@iwhippedcreamcode4642 I’ll be very honest I’ve only encountered this once but I had a supposedly black divestor tell me the issues with black men was genetic (that there’s a genetic predisposition towards leaving your kids if you are a black male). I thought that was very much white supremacist.

@SunandSunflowers

2 жыл бұрын

@@iwhippedcreamcode4642 you see this? They including divestors mixed in swirlers and others😂

Divestors give me major weirdo energy… I find them just as toxic as the red pill dudes

@catmouse2882

2 жыл бұрын

If you want to continue dumpster diving for Black peen you more than welcome to do so. Hell...you should be happy more Black women are divesting...gives you a higher chance of finding the good Black man everyone keeps talking about😉

@nameunknown1519

2 жыл бұрын

@@catmouse2882 🤣🤣🤣 I’m good over here… plus I was already married to a white man before. Not in the name of divesting I just didn’t date based on race when I was dating… I can call him up and see if he’s single for you though. Just lmk 🤣

@BlackManRising

Жыл бұрын

@@catmouse2882 Exhibit A ☝🏿

@noco7243

Жыл бұрын

@@catmouse2882 Black non-males have to be desired if they want to date out.

@catmouse2882

Жыл бұрын

@@nameunknown1519 I don't want the bottom shelf Brads your into, dear. Thx

I love how you genuinely and authentically show off the products from the service/brand of your sponsorship, with your real experience with the items, rather than some other KZreadrs and influencers that throw in some generic media or none at all and just mention the brand, and call it a day. 👏🏾🙌🏾👏🏾🙌🏾

👁👄👁 yesssss. Thought I was the only one seeing this. Divestors end up worshipping white men… while pick mes worship black men. We just need to stop worshipping men. And actually believe we’re worth the man we want no matter the race 😩

@suezcontours6653

2 жыл бұрын

White men have receipts. The conquered the globe. What do black men bring to the table?

@nancykerrigan

2 жыл бұрын

Thing is that's nuance, which doesn't sell on social media. It's more profitable to feed into this us vs them combative culture online. Venting and putting down others gets more attention than understanding.

@adrianna5378

2 жыл бұрын

Yes!

@marvinandjosh1

2 жыл бұрын

ALL of this.

@marleyhill34

2 жыл бұрын

@@nancykerrigan When you go to therapy you learn to drown out and ignore that "us vs them" mentality. It gets you nowhere but trouble in all aspects of life.

It's such a crazy world out here when it comes to dating, that I believe a lot of people are not actually looking for a life partner. But rather someone they can benefit from. All these groups/extremists are scary.

@SabzKhumalo

2 жыл бұрын

This right here is true, relationships have bece about scaming not finding life partners and it started with only wanting love in somebody and not someone you share life goals and compatibility.

@jaw5182

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Relationships used to be about companionship, love, and respect for one another. Now it's all about what they can get from someone.

@canesugar911

2 жыл бұрын

@@jaw5182 relationships have never been about love. Real life is not Disney babes

@canesugar911

2 жыл бұрын

@Gymgirly most people that tout this love above all nonsense are manipulative as hell

@iwhippedcreamcode4642

2 жыл бұрын

@@jaw5182 LOVE IS ACTION!... ....

Sometimes I feel like we (black folk) are our own worst enemy, no lie when I first came to America as a very dark kid from Trinidad, it was sadly my own black peers that made me feel the worst, and now, as an adult dealing with this weird, combination of colorism, self-hate and simply too many stupid people having a platform, it saddens me that we even have to have these conversations, I don’t hear these divides in any other community, there are deeper reasons of course but we really have to do better

@Igboman87

Жыл бұрын

Fosho

@giovannime3192

Жыл бұрын

@@Igboman87 Fosho! Fosho! Now we have it coming from a pulpit. A house divided can not stand.

@chrislyn1868

Жыл бұрын

These things definitely exist in other communities, we are just the loudest about them

@Igboman87

Жыл бұрын

@@giovannime3192 Amen

@bdott1538

Жыл бұрын

You just may not speak the language to be able to hear the discontent in other communities. This happens in many different cultures.

Oh man. I’m laughing because pink pill is a term/ YT channel on point with what you’re talking about. She’s been on YT for 10+ years urging black women to pick the right partner for themselves regardless of color and she’s gotten A LOT of heat for saying that. Don’t worry about looking her up. Wounded males and pick mes alike have run her off the platform with constant attacks, stalking, and death threats.

@SabzKhumalo

2 жыл бұрын

I liked her message, look for the right one for you otherwise you get trapped in a personal hell.

@KO.42

2 жыл бұрын

Isn't she a Kevin Samuels fan? Or am I thinking of someone else?

@SunandSunflowers

2 жыл бұрын

@@KO.42 you are correct she is on red pill and alot of manophere channels

@officialnotesonlifepodcast

2 жыл бұрын

@Coco Don't ever compromise on requiring him to know Christ. You will regret it. Trust me.

@sweetcherie2008

2 жыл бұрын

@@KO.42 No, I believe your confusing "The Pink Pill," with the black male identified "Pink book lessons channel." I believe they chose that name to confuse the younger bw.

The modern day black woman is on a whole different level. We see that the world is bigger than the black community and black men and we want it. The world in 2022 is the black woman's oyster and we want as many pearls as we can get.

@alim2464

2 жыл бұрын

beautifully said

@getreal4real169

2 жыл бұрын

Yessssss

I understand the concept of two wrongs dont make a right but nobody can be mad at black women giving back to black men the same energy they've put out for years. It's like telling black women we have to be the bigger person and calling us bitter for being scorned. It isnt fair. That's just my opinion 🤷🏿‍♀️

@Treize132

Жыл бұрын

The Black community has a number of malignant narcissists that cannot stand that some of their favorite victims and punching bags are leaving . You see this effort to gaslight, deflect and mistepresent BW who divest and disengage from what does not serve us more and more.

I wish people would deal with their own trauma without projecting it onto others

@ForeverLuxeDesigns

2 жыл бұрын

And I wish black men would stop killing us every 5 hours and stop making my community unsafe I mean hey while we're wishing...

@rae18..58

2 жыл бұрын

Thisssss 💛

@victorybeginsinthegarden

2 жыл бұрын

@@rae18..58 I mean just because your black father dropped you on the head as a baby doesn't mean all of them will lol smdh

@marvinandjosh1

2 жыл бұрын

THIS.

@butterflygirl01

2 жыл бұрын

@@victorybeginsinthegarden I mean no, but majority of black kids don’t have a father and black mothers are blamed for everything so black women do need to choose more wisely who they make children with and not being honest about the absence of their fathers is being disingenuous which a lot of black women still are which many would consider being a pickme

I’ve been in these spaces and it’s like talking to a wall. They wild and the mental gymnastics is scary. “It has nothing to do with me” is spot on.

Thank you for having a moral compass and creating content of substance. This nuanced conversation will require insight from educated & healed people like yourself. Keep using your gift Ti!

This was dope, thank you for tackling this.

@imanigordon6803

2 жыл бұрын

Hey F.D. !

@cyn7993

2 жыл бұрын

Yet failing . Trust and know that research on the term pink pill would of been prudent cause when Christalyn sees this .,, bless ur heart ❤️

So you want black women to navigate the minefield of black men not knowing which one is going to blow up in her face because we should have discernment "choose better". That is a big NO for me, especially when the exit door is right there. My responsibility is not to have a.black family my responsibility is to my happiness.

@nopebye.777

2 жыл бұрын

Just be quiet. Why talk about who you're going to date and how you're going to level up, whatever that means. Who do you expect to be listening??

@MizAmeliaTv

2 жыл бұрын

@@nopebye.777 huh'? I'm unsure if you're responding to what I wrote because it did not make sense.

@Treize132

Жыл бұрын

The Black community has a number of malignant narcissists that cannot stand that some of their favorite victims and punching bags are leaving . You see this effort to gaslight, deflect and mistepresent BW who divest and disengage from what does not serve us more and more.

Black boys are definitely loved and black girls raised. Even by our own mothers and grandmothers. I have female family members that go through hoops for their sons, but only fight and demean their daughters. It's a sad cycle of self-hate.

@catmouse2882

2 жыл бұрын

As a Black woman I had to burn the cape. I no longer come to ANY man's rescue. My 18 yr old stepson was sick a few months ago (not Covid thx goodness). My husband wanted me to give him Tynolol and cough drops. I told my husband he can get it himself. I told my stepson where we keep the OTC cold medicine. I figured he well enough to go out to party with his friend night before he well enough to walk to the medicine cabinet. I am militant about not coddling men.

@mizanna622

2 жыл бұрын

@@catmouse2882 It's interesting that your husband didn't feel like he should be taking care of his own child. SMDH.

@tierraweatherspoon3419

Жыл бұрын

Amen sis! I saw this constantly growing up where moms kept their boys with the finest clothes and fresh haircuts and their sister looked homeless. The boys dreams and aspirations were praised and the girls ignored. Many mothers that did this were single mothers with no man in the home (just an observation). That always used to make me mad and still does. Thats why these men are useless now and cant do any manual labor and feel everyone should serve them 😒

@dguthrie1

Жыл бұрын

@@catmouse2882if I was your husband I would divorce your self hating asd

I am so happy that you did this video!!!! It's the commentary I've been waiting for!!!! I am 37, married to a black man with 3 children, 2 boys, and a girl. I had begun subscribing to 1 or 2 of those divesting channels unknowingly as I agreed with some initial thoughts in some of the videos. Once I realized the true initiative behind the channels, I must admit I felt very discouraged. Both my husband and I are educated, met at an HBCU, and make a good living for ourselves and our children. Professionals, breaking generational curses, all dat! I'm raising black boys and it is disturbing to know black women are committed to not wanting them because of all that our people have endured at the hands of slavery, racism, and systematic oppression. I am def very opinionated when it comes to black men and women and at times in my own relationship, my husband would say that he felt I hated men. Not the case at all but I do have an issue with misogynistic men for sure. We have been going to both individual therapy and couples realizing we both have some childhood trauma that was affecting how we were treating each other. He felt I was making him pay on behalf of all of the heartbroken black women. My husband is a good black man, takes care of his kids, and is my partner, best friend, truth-teller, and rock! We both bring home the bacon, okay! And we respect each other in our partnership. I am truly saddened by the movement of black women who have decided all black men are disgusting and are purposefully looking in the other direction. I agree this is a very nuanced conversation and deserves more attention in a solution-oriented way! Thank you for your commentary, I have loved your channel for a while now but this was the first video that compelled me to comment. Keep up the good work sis!!! I see you Queen and I love what I see!!!

Women ( black ) need self healing as a whole no man can give you that. Women healing and loving self needs to be pushed instead of bashing and uplifting men period

Girl, be honest- the vast majority of BM are colorist and do not want to build a community where their women can live free of the YT supremacy they complain about.

@dezinechic

2 жыл бұрын

right no need to be a lying mammy to help blackmail fails save face (AND for clicks and views). again its all dwight mayne fault that blackmailfails dont build protect provide produce assault accost and terrorize the very women that are their counterparts. nah divestors aint fooled at all!

@catmouse2882

2 жыл бұрын

Basically...that's why I think Black women divesting from Black men is crucial.

@SweetSurrender-wr2ru

2 жыл бұрын

She can't be...she's technically a preference...she is mostly likely what Black men would actually go after.

@dezinechic

2 жыл бұрын

@@SweetSurrender-wr2ru wayughminute.....a preference?! technically?! has the definition of the type of preference they want/prefer changed??!!

@BrayBray78

2 жыл бұрын

They not ready for the conversation

I really enjoy the ways you analyze certain things. Love that you always have an in depth multifaceted approach to life. And when you don’t you’re so comfortable saying you don’t know. “This is another one of those issues where we have to do more than one thing” whew! The general population doesn’t seem to have the attention span to fight/work for the long game of solving generational and capitalistic issues. Most folks can’t think about the same topic long enough to formulate their own opinion on it let alone a strategy for problem solving 🤦🏾‍♀️

meh i cant say its weird that bw whove experienced nothing but bad things by men who look like them and who are unaliving them at now every 4.5 hours is weird or illogical. just as you loving black men forever and dating them is just fine you do you and i dont think of you as a pickme, just a grown woman doing what she wants to do. so i take it dating has gotten better for you since those old videos you made about dating sucking and not being able to find any bm to date?? good deal!

@pumpkin03

2 жыл бұрын

It's weird. And most likely if you're over a certain age & keep dealing with bad actors than you may need to stop dating for awhile bc divesting or looking towards other races will have you in similar situations if you don't fix what's within. You also sound bitter, mad & angry that Jojoba is in a healthier space in her life. Get some help.

@dezinechic

2 жыл бұрын

@@pumpkin03 not weird at all to not want the middle man that has and continue to do nothing for their female counterpart. and no need to worry about at least one bad group of actors when you completely eliminate them from the choice pool. divesting isnt only about dating im divested but dont date atm but when i did and start back dating it wont be with my biggest predators. yes vetting everyone is important but you can vet your biggest predator. you sound very weak minded desperate lame slow dazed and confused also bitter angry gaslighting and mad yourself that divestors arent falling for your or her mammying crap. we are in a much better spaces in our lives not dealing with black mayles. you need to get a life and get over it and get yourself some help.

@Xara_K1

2 жыл бұрын

Are yall seriously ok? Coz ur sounding like the manosphere... but for women.

@8thhousemoonrabbit205

2 жыл бұрын

I had to come and observe but I can't wait to delete this from my watches. I hate how these women insist that you had to have some Intimate issues with bm... I knew I'd never date one because I've been violently violated by a biracial with an abusive black father and alcoholic mother, a schoolmate (in front of a whole bus full of black peers who did nothing but jeer) and watched my black male peers, act like fucking sociopaths. I'll pass forever and a day.

@janines6680

2 жыл бұрын

@Xara K There needs to be a womansphere You are sounding like a mammie.

its the hilarious title for me! im a new subscriber and i love the different topics you discuss

@nappyheadedjojoba

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, and welcome to the fam!

I think that saddest part is just the extremes when it comes to our relationships. It was either be "a ride or die" stick with him while he's creeping, and cheating or leave them all alone. There's no middle ground. No let's heal ourselves and then heal together. I love us and I love bm but it just seems we're so divided now

@catmouse2882

2 жыл бұрын

Naw...As a Black women I say leave those nakers alone. Every. Single. Last. One of them. 33% of Black men have felony records. The average Black man makes $45k yr. So...as a college educated Black women who make 6 figures...what are we supposed to do? You still trying to dumpster dive for love...when the odds are not in your favor. How silly is that?

@aylanae4797

2 жыл бұрын

@@catmouse2882 First of all the nastiness in your response is what I mean by healing. I'm not dumpster diving for anything...as if you know my name, my face, my family or history ( dating or other). I was raised by a black man ( single father) who makes over 100k a year and so do two of my other uncles on my father's side. I have an uncle from my mom's who's a pilot... I have successful men who have shown ME what black unity can be when HEALED and everyone takes responsibility for their wrongs. I tell you what YOU can do, find love where YOU want. And I won't bash. You and YOUR experiences have NOTHING to do with ME or mines. Have a day ma'am!! 🖐🏽

@butterflygirl01

2 жыл бұрын

You’ve always been divided. You’ve just been brainwashed to believe you and bm were a team. There was never a vast majority of marriages, vast majority of fathers, less single mom homes, protection for women and children, providing men, and men who built, your aunts and grandmothers lied to u and the cycle just continued, the generation today just waking up and seeing it was all a lie. What bm doing now they’ve done back then, always worshipped NON BW, don’t believe me search up old music, tv shows, magazines covers, yea that pro blk stuff was just FORCED by BW. Hard truth.

@noirelady1815

2 жыл бұрын

BM have never been on the “team” with BW. They’re the ones who sold us into slavery in the first place. BM have never been victims. They’ve always been participants. BW were never in the struggle with BM. BW were in the struggle BECAUSE OF BM.

@katybee3891

2 жыл бұрын

Healing together isn’t possible if the other Person doesn’t want to. TBh you can’t heal together because healing is a personal process and you can’t control it so it happens simultaneously. If black men want to heal they can. But you’re wasting your time if you try to heal someone else.

I truly wish this video was longer. I was so engrossed in all your points like “yaaaasss my point exactly”

Pro Black Women believe in doing what's for themselves. Pink Pill is an actual channel and PBW never has bashed Black men. It means you date the best person INCLUDING Black men if he is the one. We promote our image and divest from Colorists.

@lindywinthrop8260

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry. Divestment does not include black men.

@catmouse2882

2 жыл бұрын

If you out here trying to find that one "good" Black brotha then you are not divesting. You basically are still trying to dumpster dive for love and that's not what Divesting is about.

@SunandSunflowers

2 жыл бұрын

@@catmouse2882 👏👏👏

@AnimeBoysOnly

2 жыл бұрын

Yall cant force black women to consider black men as a dating option.

@chrislyn1868

Жыл бұрын

@@lindywinthrop8260 it does, you’re talking about swirling.

" I love black men because I love black people." I so love this statement.

@WellBeing999

Жыл бұрын

Black people does not include black women, so she’s a black male worshipper

@WellBeing999

Жыл бұрын

And so are you. Open your eyes

@ummeshariff

Жыл бұрын

That's a stupid a** statement. Black males aren't black people. Let's hear people saying that they love black women.

I want you to debate Cyn G. I like the both of you. And I do agree with a lot of your analysis but as a Haitian transracial adoptee, that was never raised race loyal, I understand the divestors more than the pick-mes. It's strange how desperately I wanted to assimilate into black culture and community but when I got older, 18, and moved to the cities I quickly learned, this is not the culture I want to emulate. A culture curated and cultivated by black men. I hate your disclaimer of "not all" black men or separating them (good from bad men/boys) as if we have the luxury of individualism. I think most people understand not all but the rule of probability and proximity is that fact that finding a "stand up" black man is hard to come by. The good black men are very quiet and dwarfed by the bad ones. And I didn't like how you glossed over intimate partner domestic violence and murder. Though I don't like the idea of divestors putting nonblack men on a pedestal either. The divestors content I watch are more so using nonblack men as a gauge of leadership and accountability. Gives black woman insight to how literally almost all other groups of men navigate manhood and fatherhood. And how I ended up in this part it KZread is like I said, I'm an black outsider that was trying to make sense of collective of black men's behavior. I felt hated more by black men than anyone in this world... So, again I understand the divestors more so thann the race loyal sacrificial lambs aka pick mes.

@HealingTae

2 жыл бұрын

I would really love to see the debate between TI and Cyn G. Somebody need to make this happen !

@Xara_K1

2 жыл бұрын

Debates are a waste of time and are just an excuse for many of the subbies on blk YT to watch a good ole "naker" fight. Y'all come in with predisposed notions looking to have your points validated and solely against Bm. And that's fine; far be it for me to worry about Bm. You know her points and you know Cyn's. There's nothing to debate except to allow you guys to thump your chests and pretend anything the side u disagree with says, was wrong. And I am a huge Cyn fan, but I'm not blind to the fact that everytime I saw her debate someone in the past, unless it's an Irene or that criminal Taz that we all allowed her to roll with, the people in the chat would walk in simply team Cyn and will only agree with what she says. Even the 1st response to your comment is about how entertaining it would be

@tonywells6512

2 жыл бұрын

@@Xara_K1 Exactly. May I add, as a BM who feels the same as Ti(I willl always be partial to BW), I tend to not comment on topics like this. HOWEVER, debates among women will only set you up for failure in the future. And when one party "wins" the debate, now what. Do BM love you more? Do BM protect you more? Does this "win" bring BW specifically together any closer? Once again, women on the whole have allowed men to "win" this war. I have a tip for anyone who cares what this BM says, but I am honestly expecting vitriol and misunderstanding even though this channel is based on intellect and foresight(Not talking about you Ti). ---- Fear me when I'm silent, not when I'm yelling. ---- You ladies are screaming loud as hell with your "debates" and "talking points" and "clap backs". Now do yo understand why you're not getting your desrved respect and recognition. Ironically, by shutting up and abandoning social media(yes I said social media) you will get exactly what you want. What do you get out of this. A higher probability of... No more stealing your dances/swag(so called influencers). No more disrespect(BM would be talking to a brick wall if you don't give a response). No more being able to stay two steps ahead of you(you ladies put everything on social media making it so easy to slight you). Social media is just the beginning just fyi, so don't think life stops there. Think more strategically is what I'm getting at. But you know, even though I would love to unite with BM, and no matter how hard I try to watch my words and pay due respect, I just feel like a lot of women don't even know what a good BM even is, so therefore you don't know what to look for. We're here, you're just stuck on social media......"debating". You do realize a good man provides more than just money and protection. If that's all you're really looking for, then good luck finding it. Because I guarantee you a good man wants more than a women who only wants him for money and protection. Sorry for the novel lol.

@kayade5305

2 жыл бұрын

@@tonywells6512 You basically wrote a whole dissertation blaming BW for everything. All gaslighting and zero accountability as per usual.

@Xara_K1

2 жыл бұрын

@@tonywells6512 U either misunderstood everything I wrote or u just took my line on debates being a waste of time and built your own narrative. Either way, u and I are nowhere near saying the same thing and I don't believe ur partial to Bw.

Love this entire analysis!!! It’s hard to find a nuanced perspective on this particular phenomenon. I’m similar to you, I don’t relate to either camps, I fall in the margins and I’m watching from the side. Thank you for verbalizing this position so well!

" All people ain't necessarily your people". yes! All skinfolk ain't kinfolk. The anti-blackness on from both genders is at an all -time high! What happened to "We're not perfect, but we're worth it"?

@Igboman87

Жыл бұрын

Preach

Thank you for speaking on this it's getting crazy. Damn. Just love who loves you and brings you peace. ❤️

They both are unhinged. Divestors 9/10 end up getting lost in their own messaging and end up putting another race of men on a pedestal. Instead of divesting being more of women learning to care for their mental, emotionally, and physically health and establish boundaries and removing themselves from toxicity. Pick me ends up being lap dogs for men and still get treated like crap. At this point both of them are an exhausting bunch and I avoid them like the plaque I’m not putting any man on a pedestal. I’d rather focus on myself. Men will be there if or when I decide I want to be entertained by them.

@mahoganymuffin2628

2 жыл бұрын

"At this point both of them are an exhausting bunch"....THIS!

@Marleydavis8

2 жыл бұрын

i say let them do it white men are better

@julyjones5500

2 жыл бұрын

I'm yet to see divestors worshipping other men. Please send me at least 4 links to divestors worshipping other men because I've been running in those KZread streets for about 5 years and I'm yet to see this non black male worship you all are so convinced is happening.

Seems like your engaging in both-sidism to me. The divestment talk I hear is aboutgeneral disengagement from issues not pertaining to BW and our own advancement and no longer being race soldiers for BM. Men are supposed to compete with men not women . Women BW included are supposed to let the best man win. BW are just not limiting themselves to BM anymore . And no that doesn't automatically mean White men or the sudden worship of non-black men as so many people intentionally and wrongly accuse BW of doing

Brave woman you are 🙃. You're going to have people arguing you down - as if it's normal to sit online and obsess about the people you hate all day, every day.

@sayeedharem4673

2 жыл бұрын

They are getting big audiences and getting a cheque . They also share books and other resources What are you doing filling in an application form?

@HandleUnclear

2 жыл бұрын

That's where you fail to understand, when I see black women obsessively talking about divesting from black men as you put it, I don't see a woman with hate for black men, I see a woman with a lot of hurt. Almost every divestment YT I've seen talks about black women needing to take personal responsibility, and acknowledging the hurt recieved from black men was allowed and there is no one else to blame but the black woman who allows herself to be in that situation. The state of the black community in post colonial countries is honestly not conducive of raising "good men", and it takes real individual effort on black men's part to not just become another negative stereotype. On average, people don't like to put in the effort it needs to be better, irregardless of race, so when you have a culture that seeming encourages the worse traits in men, it's only to be expected that many will fail to break free of the "mental slavery".

@TheSomethingnew1

2 жыл бұрын

It’s not normal but it’s the new normal. It’s why Kevin Samuels was able to thrive talking about the same thing every day.

I've NEVER seen any divestment channels i watch worship WM 😂. Idk what people yall follow or watch but its obvious that you all are looking for anything to invalidate a movement that says you need to leave BM alone. Black culture and BM actions towards BW are extreme . If you want to play with fire and have balance where YOUR LIFE is at stake ,then something is wrong with you. THE END 😌

@BFS_BlackWomen

2 жыл бұрын

@@deborahobakpolo8651 BW have been belittling every other group of men to worship BM since forever and no one let that stop them from believing in Black love so idk why you would let worshipping of WM by strangers on the internet in comment sections not even creators themselves stop you from saving your own life

@nopebye.777

2 жыл бұрын

@@BFS_BlackWomen Why are you worshipping men, PERIOD? Brad gave Becky the world and that bihh ain't worshipping him YET. Can't yall exist without exemplifying peen? It doesn't work! If it did, OTHER WOMEN WHO REMAIN AT THE TOP WOULD DO IT. I don't understand how being at the bottom means "let me just do the EXACT SAME THING (ie worship) just now with white men!" Like, what is WRONG with yall?

Never say you only want black men because black men will throw that right back in your face the moment you say something they dont like. They will use that against you in a heart beat. How can you talk about divestors vs. Pick me's when you yourself say you only want black men? It's the same as divestors saying they only want non black men and will not date black men. Bottom line is that divestors praise non black men without reciprocation and pick me's praise black men without reciprocation. Saying you only want black men goes without reciprocation too because black men aren't doing that.

@kmarcol1

Жыл бұрын

@U Need A Melita you do realize WM have everything because of White Supremacy and Imperialism right? Everything they've so called built was because of the oppression of others.

@kmarcol1

Жыл бұрын

@U Need A Melita No argument there but oppression leads to regression.

I knew just by reading the title of the video it was going to be a good one ! Love hearing your thoughts.

Thank you! An actual nuanced and informed opinion on the internet wow! I can always count on you to be real. Also, great to see all the sponsorships you've been getting lately!

You are so refreshing- I got over Cyn G saying the same thing over and over again. She used t be so intellectually diverse

@prettybrittany_

2 жыл бұрын

Cyn is still intellectually diverse. I think what happens is when we discover her channel there’s so much information and it’s put in a way that we never thought about that it keeps us hooked and intrigued. But after so many videos you already understand her point so it can become repetitive. I still enjoy her though

@victorybeginsinthegarden

2 жыл бұрын

She repeated herself after the 1st 3 minutes of saying something new she goes into her chorus of black men ain't shit over and over I had to put her down and move on

@surirel4949

2 жыл бұрын

At this point she making videos for monetary gains. Always take KZreadrs especially those with that kind of content with a grain of salt. Listening to the same things begins to mess with your mental and after awhile you realize how low vibrational a lot of people are.

@victorybeginsinthegarden

2 жыл бұрын

@@surirel4949 yep the grift is real.

@HerbalQueen

2 жыл бұрын

And here goes the mess…I swear

I was just catching up on some of your older videos I missed and here pops up a new one !!

3:37 what she’s saying is Women tend to embrace when a man is lgbt over a man that’s black and just not into the hood activities. A man with a high intellect, that’s maybe into reading, hiking, anime, video games (outside of sports) etc. are seen as corny, lame, and weird to most. But in today’s age women are more seen liberating to their cause (lgbtq) than the normalizing of A REAL BLACK MAN.

My sentiments exactly! I’m not going allow strangers to dictate who I am or what I should be

Going to watch the video later after I put in these job apps, but your description box is always on point ty for sharing the Fenty body tip👍🏾

@Bri-nc8yp

2 жыл бұрын

Good luck out there and happy hunting.

@getoffmygrass4857

2 жыл бұрын

Good luck🙏🏿

@MyeshaB

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

I adore your videos -- especially these longer ones which have become less common for reasons you've addressed several times in several places. I kept pausing to reply to you or weigh in (not in the comments section -- just ... aloud LOL). I've heard you talking about parasocial relationships and "friends in my head" -- you definitely fall into this category for me. Anyway, thanks for the thought-provoking videos and the wonderful conversations you don't know I'm having with you! 😅😅😅 🤣🤣🤣

Thank you for covering this. The "I'm not a masculine blk women" post are all over Instagram. I was wondering if it was due to a weird algorithm.😆

I am a 52 year old married black women. Everything you have touched on is so true from my experience as a daughter, a sister to brothers, a black female raised in predominantly white communities, a educated successful woman and a wife. I have suffered from physical, mental and psychological abuse at the hands of my mother, male family members, ex partners, the white community. You’ve touched on so many things that we as black people deal with, suffer from, inflict upon each other , and perpetuate. Not to mention the negative effects WS has on our community and us individuals and how we succumb to it. So much pain, disfunction, anger, poverty, disorganization, fear, insanity and self hate that are symptoms of living under WS. It’s heart breaking that my experience is the norm for a lot of us in the black community. In my 52 years this conversation has been discussed for as long as I’ve been alive. In my youth I had hope that things would get better for us, but life has shown me otherwise. Things are getting worse 😣. I appreciate that your having this conversation and it continues to be needed to wake some of us up so we can help each other and see the big picture. We are all we have and no one is coming to our rescue.

@djlivvy46

2 жыл бұрын

Much of this has its' roots in pre colonial Africa.

@iwhippedcreamcode4642

2 жыл бұрын

YOU CONTROL YOUR LIFE! MAKE BETTER DECISIONS! Everything isnt WP 's fault!....

It’s like we can’t win at all! Damned if we chose to date black men and be taken care of by them… we’re seen as opportunists and unworthy. But also damned if we pull ourselves up by the bootstraps and succeed without a man. We’re seen as masculine and also unworthy of love if we decide to be independent.

@Treize132

Жыл бұрын

The Black community does not want BW to win if that's not obvious. Black community has a number of malignant narcissists that cannot stand that some of their favorite victims and punching bags are leaving . You see this effort to gaslight, deflect and mistepresent BW who divest and disengage from what does not serve us more and more.

Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts and ideas. Every video I walk away with new insights and ideas and often lots of "homework". Thank you. And...heading off to that video.

you NAILED it!

Has anyone besides me realized that we are the only race that discusse the immediate pros and cons of our race with dating??. You never ever hear white or latinos out here discusses this dumb ishh just us this is exactly what the yt race wanted..i love your content sis nothing against you i actually enjoy your truths💪🏿💪🏿

@bdott1538

Жыл бұрын

They do, it’s just not in English.

I agree with a lot of what divestors say but there’s some things that I don’t

This video resonated with my soul! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾applauding all the way on my commute home.

Whew, this video is NEEDED. Thank You!!

Although I have to briefly interact with black men, I choose to not have them in my life socially. Outside of my dad they don't add ish to my life and quite frankly they are not safe. We outnumber them so it only makes sense to open your options.

This is an absolutely phenomenal analysis! I am so wholly in favor of this general topic becoming some kind of loosely running series. You point out that so many of these "movements" are misguided responses to the trauma of living under white supremacy. I am curious if you have checked out F.D. Signifier's channel at all? He offers a wonderful perspective on black masculinity. In his Buck Breaking video he touches on that same mentality as it manifests as queerphobia: “The real emasculation of black men…is economic, it’s legal, it is educational, it’s medical. It is not sexual.” It seems like a cause of this really toxic and genuinely harmful rhetoric is that since white supremacy is so entrenched in every facet of American life that it can appear a lot easier to view other marginalized groups as the source of suffering rather than the system itself. This may be way off base, but I think that mentality carries over to TERFs' obsession with trans women. They've been traumatized by patriarchy, but then misdirect their aggression to a group that is similarly oppressed by the same system. Alsoooo....those Free People shorts 😍 😍 😍

@nappyheadedjojoba

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, yes and YES. Audra at Home has recommended F.D. Signifier to me, and I've been meaning to check out his channel -- thanks for the reminder, because this breakdown of how the emasculation of BM comes from white supremacy (rather than BW) is spot on, in my opinion. It's also why I think there is this hostility by a loud minority of BM on social media toward high-earning BW who are doing for self, rather than directing that ire where it should be directed. Thanks for this entire comment!

@__a__human__person__6752

2 жыл бұрын

​@@nappyheadedjojoba I really can't recommend his channel highly enough! He touches on so many of the underlying issues that are causing these extreme responses like the divestors and the manosphere (he just did a two-part series on the manosphere, which totals three and a half hours). But Black Men and Love & Death to "Black Love" are two very powerful videos that explore these dynamics without immediately veering off into misogynoir.

@nappyheadedjojoba

2 жыл бұрын

Ah, see now I've got a place to start with his content. 🙏🏾 I do remember clocking some prettyyyyyyy long runtimes on his videos, so I'll have to find a lazy weekend to dig into this 3+ hour opus. 🍿

@suezcontours6653

2 жыл бұрын

@@nappyheadedjojoba BW are just embarrassing sometimes. NEVER FIGHT FOR A MAN. Go to Africa even but make sure that you visiting the luxury parts where the white men are in charge.

@gensai93

2 жыл бұрын

It is really interesting how so many of these "feminity" channels are really transphobic and homophobic to an obsessive degree

Thank you for this - I always love your content

This is an amazing video! You explained this so well!

@karma-queenofflames376

2 жыл бұрын

Except she was wrong because what she described as a Divestor is actually a Swirler. The two aren't the same. Misinformation galore!

It's not! It's just that the black married couples that are happy with each other, don't put their lives on social media for everyone to see and critique. I really think that the owners of these social media websites should require all content creators to have a least a master's degree in counseling , 5 years work experience, and is currently in a 10 plus years prosperous marriage to have a channel based on relationships advice. Or any advice for that matter. Also, an associate's degree should be required for any content creators wanting to do videos. The internet would be very different.

@taelove9830

2 жыл бұрын

u made no fucking sense

see i think its bizarre and illogical to only date men who dont want you or who are your biggest predator b/c its not other races of men keeling us as bw. i couldnt imagine giving my energy looks time or love to a blackmail fail..... only non black guys for me and specifically non american ones at that!

@xbunnies769

2 жыл бұрын

Amen sis.

@dezinechic

2 жыл бұрын

@@xbunnies769 lmao i mean she act like her azz wasnt runnin on the underground railroad on that disastrous date story she told some time ago. assuming the date was a blackmail fail(wasnt he from a halfway house?). and it was even funnier assuming the girl with the "terrible vocal fry on a 1000%" wasa huhwhyte whoaman.....running asking whyte supremacy for help???? i cant!

@LilBrownieD

2 жыл бұрын

But the point is she's not dating the particular men who are self hating

@dezinechic

2 жыл бұрын

@@LilBrownieD well i dont think self hating is the only reason why us as a very specific group of women are unprotected with very specific problems/issues like having to go to another group of men for our every need. also can these non self hating males do something about the self hating males, like make then accountable at all for anything or no? she said not red pillers and as well all know these are only showing their true selves online as red pillers and concealing in real life.

@AnimeBoysOnly

2 жыл бұрын

Same. I prefer non American and non black

Thank you for giving another perspective. These conversations are always one sided and often on the extreme side.

one of your best ti talks. facts on facts. THANK YOU.

I’m divested. It happened accidentally and I decided I liked it. But I hate how some of us are quick to call any woman who has interest in BM a mammy, PickMe, etc. Especially since these women aren’t coming at us like that.

@getoffmygrass4857

2 жыл бұрын

sista as long as you're happy that's all that matters.

@adams8830

2 жыл бұрын

Black people are so nasty to other black people who decide not to join whatever "movement" is popular at the moment. Always finding ways to tear down other people's blackness and now other black women's womanhood based on who she dates.

@Zikomo7

2 жыл бұрын

@@deborahobakpolo8651 they’re right. You can’t. But I honestly don’t care. As long as you’re not putting kids in danger, I don’t care who you date

@Zikomo7

2 жыл бұрын

@@deborahobakpolo8651 it’s actually supposed to be much bigger. You divest from the entire community. Very few BW are actually doing this. 80% of “divested bw” are just mad at BM so they’re claiming divestment

@doll.ov.poetrii4682

2 жыл бұрын

@@Zikomo7 I completely agree with you. I'm an AA BW married to a Haitian BM and I consider myself divested. Even though we're the same race, we come from 2 completely different cultures and I have completely disregarded all of the dysfunction from blackistan. I even had to cut my whole family off because they didn't understand why my marriage didn't consist of dysfunctional foolishness from the black community; we have peace and we both keep off of social media. Most movements that are introduced to the black community always end up getting misconstrued because black people hear what they want instead of hearing what's actually being said. Divestment is not just interacial "swirling".

Agreed. It’s crazy how radical everything becomes once it moves to social media. Everything is boiled down to simplistic (and incorrect) catch phrases that turns everything into an “us vs them” debate where everyone loses. Personally, I believe black peoples as a whole can’t move forward until we acknowledge and return to the importance of a stable family structure, and the importance of the community in raising children and ourselves. Which is tragic when you see that the two halves of this traditional family structure role seem to hate each other.

I remember as a teen in the 60s one day sitting on the sidelines watching my grandparents in a contentious discussion with some other adults. I distinctly recall the moment I realized that my grandfather and my grandmother were operating as a fighting team, sword-and-shield, like that end scene in "Mr and Mrs Smith." My grandfather would lunge and my grandmother would parry, then she would lunge and he would parry. It made me wonder if they'd rehearsed it...but I realized they couldn't have rehearsed that particular argument, it was just how they came to be in their marriage, and it was pretty cool to watch once I recognized what was happening. Generally, my grandfather had the rhetoric and my grandmother had the facts and figures. They were a fighting team against the world.

Love your take! I agree on many of the points!

"Maybe it's just me." You're absolutely right, it's you. If you're not interested in men of other races, that's fine. But don't call yourself trying to put down and police those of us who are. I'm a bw who's married to a wm. He's the best thing that's ever happened to me, and it's okay for me to say that. I've never liked or been interested in b m. You're not owed an apology or an explanation for that, and you aren't getting one. I don't think DZ cares if you like her or not, she's changing the lives of b w for the better by trying to make sure they're safe from b m, and if you don't like that, too bad so sad. You're not going to change those ladies' minds, so you may as well leave them alone, and quit throwing rocks and then hiding your hands. I don't care if you get mad, I said what I said. Peace.

@Xara_K1

2 жыл бұрын

This comment sounds like a Karen having a meltdown

@Xara_K1

2 жыл бұрын

@Mira M She's a divester arguing things literally no one said in order to make a point literally no one argued

@Xara_K1

2 жыл бұрын

@@deborahobakpolo8651 Divested Zealot

@iateyursandwiches

2 жыл бұрын

Girl...its ok to marry a white man or any race as long as they treat you right. That is the most important thing to understand...No one is mad at you for that. Im glad it worked out for you. We just want everyone to understand that dating outside the race isnt so much as the solution as expanding your dating pool AND vetting your partners to make sure they arent shit regardless of race. Plenty of white, Asian, and hispanic douche bags out there as much as black.

@yougotgamesonyourphone6947

2 жыл бұрын

Girl you took this way too far and personal..

I think the problem is a lack of self love for many.. And it spills over into hatred.. This is usually the reason for most forms of hatred.. As for the pick me's I think they just don't like blk women or maybe it's some form of self hate as well.. I honestly try not to to deal with any because both groups lack logical thinking skills... Great conversation and I miss your fashion vids hope you start back doing them..

@ForeverLuxeDesigns

2 жыл бұрын

Whats the logic behind black men killing us every 5 hours? I could care a less about internet beef What I do care about is my community being safe and how the men in my racial group think nothing about taking our lives!