I glossed over the Archdragon, but only because I have another video focused solely on it, which is one of the best performing videos on my entire channel. I'm assuming most of you will have seen it, but if not, here's the link: kzread.info/dash/bejne/gY6Yudunnq7Mqpc.html

@RamAurelius

2 жыл бұрын

I always thought the Dragons were one of the most interesting aspects of DS lore. Though how they're represented throughout the franchise feels a bit inconsistent, especially with all their different types of descendants running around. Great video though, Archdragon peak is definitely in my top 5 areas.

@phobos5323

2 жыл бұрын

I was wondering about the Archdragon: Is there any hard evidence that it was meant to be a full fledged boss? It's something that I always assumed, but could it be that it was meant to be something closer to the Archdragon in DS1? The scale seems kind of off, and its model is used for the twinkling stone. (Of course, it also could have been both, since there's also the cases of Wolnir and Gwyndolin.)

@ArchangelExile

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting... 🤔

@pious83

2 жыл бұрын

You briefly show the Ash Lake Dragon. Was that ever supposed to be more than just a covenant?

@ZullietheWitch

2 жыл бұрын

@@pious83 It has attack animations and has the "boss defeated" audio on its (unused) death animation. It doesn't actually have any way of moving from its perch though, even its attacks keep it in the same place, so it was probably always meant to be sitting right where it's sitting and only turn into a boss fight if you aggravated it.

I personally think it makes more sense that dragons are nearly non-existent by the time of DS3, with Midir making sense as an outlier since the Ringed City was supposed to be isolated from the rest of the world.

@salamanda550

2 жыл бұрын

@@Tausami The Ringed City we visit, and the Dreg Heap, are set at the end of the world, after countless cycles of fire and rekindling. Though, we get flung even further forward in time, to fight Gael, by Fillianore, when all has burnt to ash.

@stairmasternem

2 жыл бұрын

@@Tausami I think back to Dark Souls 1’s explanation for phantoms. Worlds overlapping. In my opinion Dark Souls 3 has several worlds going on with you going inbetween them. The biggest pointer to this is Anri’s quest where you are summoned into Anri’s world and face Aldrich there. Also the fact that npcs pop between the main level and Firelink.

@FFKonoko

2 жыл бұрын

@@Tausami the dreg heap is the end result of the world's decay, where space and time become so convoluted, it breaks down, compressing and contorting. The world collapsing in on itself at the very end of the overextended age of fire, a desert of Ash with ancient civilizations pressed together, and with the ringed City beyond it. Where the things that have washed down the river of time collect, like unwanted garbage. It is unclear if some of it has made it the short way, being pushed through time rather than existing for all of that time. The player certainly finds a couple shortcuts, including filianore. And I do wonder if the way they kept the ringed City isolated was by pushing it right to the end of everything....

@Sercroc

2 жыл бұрын

@@Tausami the when starts to lose his mportance when the fire starts to fade, remember fire brings light and light is time, that's why time is stagnant/convoluted, dreg heap is the end just before you got to fight soul of cinder, with the murky men indicating the age of the deep is next,. Ringed city is like in a time bubble linked to filianore, whe you wake her up, the spell breaks, and you probably get sent just before the dreg heaps, considering you can see lothric castle in the distance, while we know it's on top of the dreg heaps

@NAPH170

2 жыл бұрын

@@Tausami The ringed city takes place in the far furture, most likely that of many different timelines, but the pressence of the dragon slayer armor that the champion of ash defeated appearing there seems to indicate that it's at least partially represetitive of the future of the world we play through.

It does make sense. The further the timeline moves from their time, the less pureblooded would survive. Especially since we often killed the few that showed up in the other games.

@hermitcard4494

2 жыл бұрын

But evolution favor strong. So they should have evolved atronft in their own branches, maybe to the same level of dragons?

@hermitcard4494

2 жыл бұрын

The two DRAGONS guarding the bridge leading to Dragon Slayer armor. Also DS3 lore said there were in Lothric kingdom dragon slayers and dragon riders. So in DS3 dragons weren't extinct "eons ago". Maybe they went extinct just recently when the world started to decay and go undead/hollow.

@reecetaylor2626

2 жыл бұрын

@@hermitcard4494 evolution favors the fit. Humans have an offshoot in our evolutionarily past where the weaker species for adapted for scavenging for meat survived. In a world hostile to them, large, old, and majestic dragons wouldn't have done as well as their decedents.

@MammalianCreature

2 жыл бұрын

@@hermitcard4494 It's hard to evolve to survive, a system that takes time, when you're actively being wiped out. Dragonslayer was a title, a title that belonged to multiple people.

@Sercroc

2 жыл бұрын

@@hermitcard4494 those are ,no true dragons, it's even possible the white wiverns in ds3 were initially men, members of the dragon covenant, since they both have pus of man coming out of their body

Even in the last sanctuary of dragons there are no true dragons left.

@quint3ssent1a

2 жыл бұрын

Kinda ironic that "the last sanctuary of dragons" filled with fanboys trying to make their best impression of a real dragon. Even their weapon mentions that the power of dragons tragically faded.

@yusukeelric

2 жыл бұрын

considering the nameless king resides in it, and Anor Londo royalty loves to slay dragons. I believe he made the dragons extinct and transformed the place in his own castle. More considering its implied he had certain dragon slayer come to him after the events of the first game. It was probably a dragon sanctuary at some point.

@Ollybollyk

2 жыл бұрын

@@yusukeelric He was exiled for siding with the dragons, so that seems unlikely.

@agenttex5973

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ollybollyk while that may be true, the nameless king seems to be hollow just like his father, maybe he killed them After hollowing, with the only thing he spared being his closest companion IE The Storm Drake

@OnAChairSitting

2 жыл бұрын

This is why the Dark Souls 3 dragon form is so withered and dead. You are, quite unfortunately, imitating the state of the dragons and their power. And there isn't much of that left.

"The only legitimate dragon was a corpse." A missed opportunity to say "The only true dragon is a dead dragon."

I still remember my first play through if DS1, where I had just enough of a grasp of the lore to realize what a big deal it was to find a living Archdragon in Ash Lake. I’d assumed they were a lost cause, but the reveal that they weren’t extinct is what informed my decision not to link the flame at the end, hoping that letting Gwyn’s age of fire die out would allow the dragons to flourish again.

@Gibbidens

2 жыл бұрын

Too bad that both linking the fire or extinguish it forever are decisions that would have been of no matter for the next games since, I presume, it was never meant to exist a second or even a third chapter... I mean, I'm glad they l've kept making them because I had fun (except for DS2) but after the first one it has to be all mumbo jumbo time travel made up lore on the spot. Convoluted this, convoluted that, I mean, come on...it's all a big excuse to keep going on. After all these years begging for a Bloodborne sequel, now I'm glad that it's one of a kind and messed up lore in its own univocal way.

@blight00000

2 жыл бұрын

@@Gibbidens technically, dark souls 3 only happens if you link the flame in dark souls 1, but yeah, I can see where you're going with this

@gyphryphobia

2 жыл бұрын

“Enough grasp of the lore” You mean the games intro?

@gothamdarkknight3729

2 жыл бұрын

@@blight00000 Actually, DS3 would happen regardless of whether you link the flame or not in DS1. Even if you send the world into an Age of Dark, another Age of Fire will inevitably rise from the embers of the first flame left after it faded. What we see in Dark Souls 3 is the result of Ages of Fire and Dark happening continuously, leaving the world a mess.

@gothamdarkknight3729

2 жыл бұрын

@@Gibbidens time was convoluted in DS1 anyways lol. Solaire himself mentions that. And yea, From made DS1 without expecting to make sequels, but the success of the game drove them to expand the lore and retcon some things. But overall, it worked out. I just started DS2, and it's not that bad. Sure, it's hella different from the other two games and ADP mechanic sucks, but it's actually pretty fun. Once you get over the fact that it is a very different game from what the others are, it's quite fun.

The emaciated deer form makes a lot more sense if they had kept the mother dragon in the game.

@metalmonster9536

2 жыл бұрын

Or maybe because the mother dragon was gone they were so ill-nurtured

@nymphaeales9149

2 жыл бұрын

they need milk

@jacobhoover1654

2 жыл бұрын

Idk get the hate, it looks like a 50/50 mix of dragon & human

@jbark678

2 жыл бұрын

@@jacobhoover1654 It looks like the goat men from the swamp without hooves.

@jacobhoover1654

2 жыл бұрын

@@jbark678 that proves my point, those "goatmen" are actually followers of the Path of the Dragon: they have wings growing on their backs, further supported by Hawkwood following the Path of the Dragon.

I see the arches, I see the peaks, but where are the dragons, Todd?

@Rileykirk77

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t know, Margo!

@_Tzer

10 ай бұрын

the dragons are wyverns skyrim tiem.

Fun Fact, the wyverns in Lothric and the Ancient Wyvern were originally human: the ones in Lothric were afflicted by Pus of Man - wild stagnated humanity - and they die when you kill it, while the Ancient drops a Dragon Head Stone when you kill it, implying it used it to transform. We know there was a deep relationship between Lothric and the Archdragon Peak - the cult of the Warriors of Sunlight is widely spread, and the two domains' rulers are siblings after all - so we can imagine that the two got much closer when Gwynevere became queen, and Lothric abandoned its dragonslaying traditions and started to incorporate dragon-turned soldiers in its army.

@armandoborrelli8852

2 жыл бұрын

Sabaku docet?

@OiranDaki

2 жыл бұрын

I love Dark Souls lore... ty ❤

@maneater2066

2 жыл бұрын

@@armandoborrelli8852 Lui e nessun altro, compare

@armandoborrelli8852

2 жыл бұрын

@@maneater2066 hahahaha fantastico, conquistiamo la community internazionale con le conoscenze del maestro

@obviouslykaleb7998

2 жыл бұрын

@@armandoborrelli8852 what is this conversation

I only just now realized that they actually did give Midir four wings. Idk why I never saw it till now, you'd think with all the times I died to him I would have picked up on it. In my defense, the lower wings are quite small. Almost as if atrophied through time.

@Rakshael

2 жыл бұрын

They're really only clear when he spreads them in challenging you and when he perches on the cliffs around Ringed City

@guitarguy42394

2 жыл бұрын

I mean in your defense pretty much everyone’s visual focus during the Midir fight is on your character, Midir’s head, and your stamina bar😂

@AlfonsoSRT

2 жыл бұрын

Same here.

@ceilingfanenthusiast6041

2 жыл бұрын

I had no idea either.

@yusukeelric

2 жыл бұрын

Thing is so big and you can't circle around it, so it makes sense it's so hard to see it from a different angle

Hopefully Elden Ring will introduce us to more awesome dragon variants

@Ryan-op7yd

2 жыл бұрын

A shame we'll never fight a true Dark Souls archdragon though

@Usernameneverseen

2 жыл бұрын

Please no, I've stared at too many drake asses and thighs over the course of the 3 games, I'm tired of standing by a dragons ankle stabbing it's toe while watching its fat booty for signs it's going to spin or something. If they redesign the entire camera system so my screen isn't 80% polygons of a dragons taint during the fight then I'd be interested but personally I hope they lay off the 4 legged monster bosses for a while.

@konundrumite

2 жыл бұрын

@@Usernameneverseen If you fought midir this way, it's completely your fault. The game makes it extremely clear that the best way to attack it is face to face hitting it's head. I would assume they've learned how to manage dragon fights moving forward based on this. Same thing goes for the storm drake.

@berk6413

2 жыл бұрын

Well we already know the one from the trailer that can catch lightning, so I’d say ER is off to a good start already with dragons

@kroh7742

2 жыл бұрын

Agheel best boi So far.. Atleast

It's a shame we haven't ever fought any archdragons at full strength. Seath was a blind, scaleless weakling, Kalameet was weakened by Gough, Sinh was corroded, Ancient Dragon was fake, and Midir is nearly consumed by the Abyss, to the point of using humanity magic. Sure, you may fight Kalameet without shooting him down, and that's the only archdragon we may fight at full strength, but not many have done that, and it's made really difficult for one to achieve.

@timelessdust3001

2 жыл бұрын

Would midir being consumed by the abyss only make him stronger tho? Giving him new powers and such

@_snowylil

2 жыл бұрын

Kalameet kicked my _arse_ and is the only DS1 boss I haven't killed, good *lord* I would be terrified to fight one at full power

@Angryegg387

2 жыл бұрын

Well the dragons are supposed to be immortal beings who are impervious to almost every attack so they would need to be weakened

@DS_DoggerX

2 жыл бұрын

@@timelessdust3001 you could say that, but the point is, it's not his own strength. Humanity certainly gives him an edge, but at the cost of his own, original strength. I mean, it plays a part, but can we truly be sure that it's stronger than he was originally? We never fought him in his prime

@metalmonster9536

2 жыл бұрын

The fact that even such mighty beings have lost their glory and are declining is the beauty of Dark Souls world

I'm glad they cut out all those dragons. Such creatures should be rare, making every few appearances impactful. Midir itself is damn magnificent, but it wouldn't have stood out as such a memorable boss if there were dragons all over the shop.

@ReyCardo

2 жыл бұрын

“You’ll be one of them, sooner or later”

@crashedforeigncar

2 жыл бұрын

"Haaaaaa..."

@mikhailvasiliev6275

2 жыл бұрын

Disagree. Finding a safe haven for the last some bits of true dragon-kind would have been absolutely mind-blowing.

@jotarokujo3603

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikhailvasiliev6275 that's what archdragon peak is. Dragons have quite literally been hunted to extinction in this series. Spamming dragons seriously cheapens the experience, for example DS2 practically spams dragons as if it's no big deal that somehow there's such a variety of dragons still remaining after all this time.

@ricecake3544

2 жыл бұрын

@@jotarokujo3603 don't forget to mention that non of the dragon fights in ds2 were good

No textures, huh? Ocelotte grew up to become a big boy. Heh.

@loftwingheropon2743

2 жыл бұрын

OOOCELLLOOOTTEEEEEE!

@kroh7742

2 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't say that, if the oceiros' uncut boss fight was also planned to be kept at the same time

@batteryacid3832

2 жыл бұрын

Oceiros has cut dialogue and audio which implies he’d kill Ocelotte in his rage which triggers phase two, though for unknown reason it was removed and now he just has a transformation at 2/3 health. Also, funny enough, the baby had a humanoid model which is unfortunately untextured. So it’s a fun idea, but wouldn’t really work.

While it is a bit of a shame, having only one actual dragon made Midir so much more special in my opinion. Dragons are gone to the point where even on Archdragon Peak there are no dragons to be found but then BAM there is a living, breathing dragon for you to fight.

@masterblaster2678

2 жыл бұрын

I'm so glad that Midir exists. Best dragon fight imo. Felt absolutely vicious in every movement, and doesn't fly around too often. Also dealing more damage to the head is an awesome mechanic for a dragon fight. You can't just camp beneath the dragon and hack away at its feet until it takes flight rinse and repeat (*cough cough* Ancient Dragon *cough cough*) you need to be right in front of it, where it can use better attacks. The design is so lit too, I mean come on, it's an abyss dragon! This boss is in my top 3 favorite bosses of all time.

I feel like using wyvern corpses instead of dragon corpses makes sense lore-wise. Because it shows that archdragon peak was created after the war against the everlasting dragons. It was made a safehaven for all the remaining dragon-like species, but it doesn't try to show that any real dragons survived the war.

@jacobhoover1654

2 жыл бұрын

It wasn't made to be a safehaven, although it does function as one since it is so difficult to get there. Remember the sun is still shining in Archdragon Peak even when the Eclipse is in every other map.

@MasterSean-ql9xi

2 жыл бұрын

@@jacobhoover1654 I see. I wasn’t sure it’s exact origins, I just remember hearing that the nameless king went there, and it became a safe spot for dragon like beings to retreat to. But that is interesting, I never noticed the eclipse not present there.

@jacobhoover1654

2 жыл бұрын

@@MasterSean-ql9xi I am unsure of the origins but that shows it exists outside of the the curse of Linking the Fire, since the Eclipse only happens after "Returning the Lord's to their Thrones." Maybe similar to the Painted World.

@darkstalkerkaathe4582

2 жыл бұрын

@@jacobhoover1654 not to mention that the nameless king inherited the sunlight from his father, so it seems likely that the sun we see on Archdragon Peak is of his own making

My guess is that Wyverns replaced them in general, probably meaning that the wyvern boss in Archdragon could have initially been one of the cut dragons.

My bet is in the "the world is too dead for dragons" theory. Having no living dragons around does help subtly reinforce the idea of a decayed world, and From cares about such subtle details of lore. Also, Midir specifically has backstory explaining why he is still around after so long.

@specialnewb9821

2 жыл бұрын

That idea never made sense to me. Dragons predate disparity so ennui should be a return to their natural state.

@ZannyAisling

2 жыл бұрын

@@specialnewb9821 i mean, the dragons were almost entirely wiped out at then end of the first ‘stone age’, so really while we’re seeing the world teeter between a second stone/stasis/flameless age and a dark-based gwynesque hegemony the dragons don’t really have a mechanism to just re-appear as the same “species” they were beforehand. we’re getting to a second round of “dragons” in the broader, niche-based sense but they aren’t literally the same types of beasts the everlasting dragons were (at least by the points the game shows them, who knows what the various forms of dragon-imitation escalated to that we aren’t privvy for, perhaps it DID eventually loop back around to “true” everlasting dragons)

@ManoredRed

2 жыл бұрын

@@ZannyAisling Ye. If there is a second age of ancients, one would guess that there will be a dominant "stone species" again, but it may not necessarily be dragons.

@hamsterfromabove8905

2 жыл бұрын

@@specialnewb9821 Its a simple matter of time. The true dragons aren't reproducing. As the world grows older there are less dragons. It doesn't matter how strong they were. Eventually over thousands of years they'd die. If they aren't reproducing then slowly over the years one by one they'll die in battle. It doesn't matter how many battles they won, it only takes one bad fight to reduce the number of dragons in the world by 1.

I think it makes more sense if the everlasting dragons did start showing up again for ds3. Since the world seems to be heading towards an age of gray, the endless cycle of light and dark could in fact be a single age in an even bigger cycle, which switches from ages of parity (everlasting dragons, a world of gray) into ages of disparity (light & dark, Gwyn's age) and then back to parity again (the world of ash we see at the end of the ringed city).

@clayxros576

2 жыл бұрын

I also feel this to be the case. Dragons returning as the Age of Fire is reaching its finale is fitting, and dragon corpses littering the place signify a final defiance against the Age of Dark. Heck, it could even be that the Age of Dark is the intended state of the world, with the Age of Parity acting as a precursor, and Age of Fire flooding the world with various states of life. Dark in this case slows the world so that, even though a variety of life is able to flourish, that life moves far slower so the world itself is able to recover far easier compared to the vast resource consumption inherent to the age of Fire. A kind of balanced age.

I would wager their original idea was that, with the World of Flame in decline, whatever brought about the Eternal Dragons originally was also giving birth to them again to transition the world. Or, even more concerning, the breakdown of time overall had brought some of the original Dragons back from the past, effectively letting them escape Gwyn's genocide. Because of the unstable nature of time, seeing so many wouldn't actually be too weird, and corpses being everywhere would show they were making an active attempt to either reclaim the world or help the world transition into a new form. I can definitely imagine why they removed that idea though, they probably had not enough time to fully embrace it, same with the Puss of Man storyline. Makes me wish DS3 got the Elden Ring treatment, but alas.

@Umezete

2 жыл бұрын

I think the first idea makes alot of sense, especially with the themes of decay giving rise to trees in the series (New arch trees?) and just in general how circular souls lore is.

I love your music choices for all of your videos, they really bring a sense of nostalgia while also being extremely professional and informative. You are definitely in my top 10 list of my favorite KZreadrs.

When I first played through DS3, my innitial theory crafting was that the world was skipping over the age of man and returning to it's unformed state, returning directly to the age of dragons, with the heavy emphasis on trees overtaking so many areas early game making me think of potentially budding arch-trees (albeit corrupted). Given this idea of man being robbed of their age, the concept of an archpeak holding more true dragons makes a little more sense: Your fighting to take back what was wrongfully taken from you. It opens up interesting moral questions that what we got couldn't explore, arising from you potentially committing the same sins as the previous kingdoms of Anor Londo and Dranglaic. That being said I can understand the cut if that is the case. It would still take away from the magnificence of the dragons as a whole for sure.

As someone who makes 3d models for a living that black low poly dragon is a decimated model, which means there is a high poly version that it’s based from to create the textures. Meaning it’s out there but they left out the textures

Imagine that you're the guy/team that modeled all of it/textured it only to be told its not going to be seen. You still get payed regardless, but spending multiple days if not a week only to be told. Yeah, the animation team couldn't finish it, cause its to massive to animate so close to release

The skinnier ones look kind of funny but seeing previously unused content moved to DLC. Like the Heavy set to Lapp set, pvp boss in Spear of the Church, and Bat Demon to Demon Prince. I think Mother Dragon was probably the precursor to Midir looking at those statues.

@IrvineTheHunter

2 жыл бұрын

It reminds me of the "Garlech Dragon Gate", very pretty but also quite serpentine.

So glad I have notifications for this channel

This is really amazing to see. Sad that so many things went unused or undeveloped. Your work is incredible Zullie

4 wing dragon that is reused in ER.... How many enemy fromsoftware has discarded for later use? Noone will know...

There’s a lot of cut dragons in Ds3, especially in lothric

@timelessdust3001

2 жыл бұрын

Lol

Maybe the thought process was along the lines of "if the age of fire is dwindling and suffering so much then the dragons may start to reappear"

Amusing seeing these models now and having them ALL be used in Elden Ring as various Dragons. Even the Mother Dragon as Greyoll

Damn shame they couldn't use this content, but l at least elden ring will have lightning wielding dragon fights

you unravel and find cool stuff hidden in these cool games and use cool OSTs as well. This is basically the coolest channel ! can't wait to finish my ds2 playthrough as well to start watching your ds2 videos

Amazing Video as always thank you Zullie

Once again, perfect music for this sort of video!

Makes Midir even more of a badass

If they had been able to get them working in time of release for 3, they could have justified lore-wise it by saying that the age of fire is wholly incompatible with dragons being widespread, but the age of man isn't so incompatible and with the age of man swiftly coming, together with the work of those at archdragon peak they could have been coming back. Lore-wise that fact should probably have been a secret of Archdragon Peak, as Lothric and its associated kingdoms worked hard to keep the age of fire going, and the rise of dragons (which Lothric embraced in a limited respect) would have been antithetical to their goals of prolonging fire.

@StephanuSneed

2 жыл бұрын

"by saying that the age of fire is wholly incompatible with dragons being widespread" It isn't tho. The dragons were mostly wiped out because of a war, not because they are inherently incompatible with the Age of Fire. Once the war stopped, they survived and kept reproducing. "the rise of dragons (which Lothric embraced in a limited respect) would have been antithetical to their goals of prolonging fire" Lothric was just turning their knights into dragons. That isn't really a "rise of dragons". And we see that those dragons become crippled and eventually die when the Fire fades.

@waltermalone216

2 жыл бұрын

Man is the true poison, not the Age of Fire. The Dragons were nearly extinct thanks to the Gods, then you have some naked dude every couple generations running around killing all the dragons that are left.

@kalten1380

2 жыл бұрын

@@waltermalone216 I mean, The gods literally poisoned Man tho.

@waltermalone216

2 жыл бұрын

@@kalten1380 And Man is still infinitely more prosperous despite that. Imagine if the Gods hadn't tried to poison them.

THANK YOU for explaining why Dragons and Wyverns are not the same. Love this channel a lot btw!

I love your videos, thank you.

Musical choices in these are always such a treat

It is pretty tough to make giant bosses to be both fun and interactive. I mean even in the famed Monster Hunter series, a long going series where you are constantly fighting monsters, even they had a lot of struggles in making successful giant dragon fights. I'm just glad Fromsoft successfully pulled off Midir at the end of the series. Not only is he a marvel to look at, but he can be a template for future Fromsoft games.

@elizabethhicks4181

2 жыл бұрын

Granted the REALLY giant dragons in Monster Hunter are way bigger than anything you fight in souls. Safi is about the size of Midir, and he's about as interactive and has about as much going on. Ala is smaller, and was even smaller in Tri, and Fatalis is a long boi but he's not as chunky as Midir, so you can keep more of him in view. Jhen, Dalamadur and mmmaaaybe Lao-Shan are bigger than Midir, and fall into the 'you're fighting the environment' category that MH hasn't managed to make super solid quite yet.

@ES21007

2 жыл бұрын

@@elizabethhicks4181 There's also Laviente in Frontier, which is as big as an island and is the biggest MH monster so far.

I know this is a bit random but thank you Zullie for all these random facts about the souls series, it gives good insight to the behind the scenes of the games, which i for one just find really interresting, and i bet others find it interresting too, keep up the good work :)

This got me very excited to see what they are doing with dragons in Elden Ring. Can't wait for you to make videos about ER!!

You're videos have got me very interested in the dark souls franchise. One a few month back caught my eye and i have been hooked ever since.

In retrospect, the model for the "mother dragon" looks quite similar to Lichdragon Fortissax, but then again, they're both just dragons with 4 wings

I love how you used the twilight princess soundtrack I actually wanna play it rn :3

Perhaps they were going to be used to show that even if the fire/darkness cycle is ending, a greater cycle is still in play. As gods and humanity bid farewell, dragons and their descendants return.

Absolutely love the twilight princess music

You know what? I like your videos, and Elden Ring is right around the corner. Subbed

Definitely feels like the untextured dragon is now Lichdragon Fortissax

i really like the four winged dragon designs throughout souls series. It really makes the dragons feel like something of divine origin

I bet the unused content of the entire series is enough to make an independent game.

@darkwhispersstories47

2 жыл бұрын

Ds2 alone is enough for that

@allmasterofficial

2 жыл бұрын

@@darkwhispersstories47 yes i know XD

Twilight Princess was so good, I love when you use its soundtrack.

Elden ring : EY YO I HEARD YOU WANT MORE DRAGONS

I’m of the theory that in DS3, the world is slowly reverting to an Age of Ancients. I’m honestly still shocked that Midir had survived as long as he has, even when being slowly being corrupted by the very Abyss that the old Gods made him devour. He IS “technically” a descendant of the Archdragons but a very, very close descendant, since he still has all the characteristics of the old dragons: four wings, four sets of teeth, stone scales (even though they’ve been worn down by exposure to Abyss for so long). I had a thought that at the very close of the Age of Fire, when the world has fallen to ash and the sun sets for the final time, the Archdragons would rise from the ashes like Phoenixes, destroy what’s left of the old world, Arch Trees would slowly regrow and the world would enter a permanent Age of Ancients. Funny how at the very end of the world, it all goes back to how it began...

The fourwinged dragon is the same if not the based model idea for the fourwinged dragons in elden ring. Just a thought when i watched this, stay dandy

I would like to assume the dragon model that appears at the high wall was an early concept of Oceiros that maybe had a unique event, much like when Kalameet’s first appearance on the bridge.

Fast forward to now and that four winged quadrupedal dragon is looking a little more familiar.

Man... That Zelda: Twilight princess theme got me feeling nostalgic.

From not using the four winged model that looks like it’s sitting on the nest of branches, but making a new one to replace it shows they really wanted that aspect included, which really makes me wonder what it’s significance is. First time I saw it I was reminded of the dragon in ash lake on the nest of branches but there really isn’t any other details on this I can think of

I like to imagine they did successfully program an actual Dragon but it broke free of its coding and went on a rampage, destroying most of the first build of DS3.

Watching this now after playing Elden Ring makes me realize that the Mother Dragon was probably that massive one in Caelid and the four winged dragon model was more than likely tweaked and repurposed for the ancient dragons

it actually makesense that we see very few dragon, they been hunted to extinction since the dawn of era but in DS3 we at the end of time

So many dark souls channels yet tours is the ONLY one thats original. No other dark souls content creator can do this type of content and it's so refreshing to see, definitely the best Dark souls channel on KZread or from soft in general 🙌🏽🙌🏽

Love the twilight princess music you use

That dragon seriously skipped leg day.

Music choice bringing back feelings of nostalgia

I'm always so fast to jump on this videos. Zul is the cool.

Question: is it possible to figure out where the free souls come from when you spawn at the Within Earthern Peak Ruins bonfire in the Ringed City DLC? I know it's one of those poison hermit crab thingies, I just haven't a clue where it is and how it dies.

It just hit me that by the time you find midir, there's probably no others like him left. how tragic that the very last dragon would grow tired and corrupted fighting for the long gone gods who slayed his kind

Kalameet is a traditional dragon. 4 legs+ wings. We can’t forget about the boi

Great move to save all the work for one encounter, really sells it 🤘

Pretty neat thing considering there's cut content pointing towards a place underneathe Lothric. Maybe the unused Lothric dragon corpse was used for the descent into that location? Much like how some of the Ringed City assets were pulled from it.

It's interesting looking back at this post Elden Ring, you can absolutely see where they decided to repurpose many of these for the new game.

Maybe this four winged dragon was used in Elden Ring as the Ancient dragons.

The idea of the four wings and four legs escapes me.

its funny coming back to this video after elden ring. elden ring was almost like an apology or catchup for the lack of dragons. giving us like 8 boss dragons off the top of my head that i remember

This makes sense with the abyss serpent storyline that was mostly cut from the game.

That's one change I really appreciate in Elden Ring. There was no campaign to wipe out the dragons, so there are dragons you can fight all over the place.

One of my favourite Zelda OST's!

Gwyn and his knights laughing in the background

The dragons are such a melancholy, tragic aspect of the games. It was probably the right call to only have them as remains and anomalies.

many shortcomings for a game that is still pretty good

I’m just glad it all paid off to one of the most memorable dragons in video games and one of the best bosses in all of Miyazaki’s games.

I've never played a Dark Souls game, but these videos are really interesting

The point was we were no match for a real, uninjured dragon.

My mind just kept replaying that specific line from the intro cinematic in DS1, "and the dragons were no more"

The Archdragon Peak Variant kinda gives me Vibes of an earlier version of the King of Storms. With all the four Wings, coded for Archdragon peak and sized for a boss arena. But thats probably just a coincedence given contradicting points.

It all worked out because Midir was so badass

Hitting me with that song makes me sad :

I love how far you go into research and speculation. It shows dedication and passion on a level that makes me want to do my own ridiculous levels of research and understanding. But no one does it quite like you. You're amazing!

The Twilight Princess music gets me everytime.

I don't mind this change, it makes Midir all the more impactful because it's the first true, living dragon we have seen in the game, in a series where so much time has passed that we thought they might be all extinct; the fact that he was a dragon attuned to dark made it even more crazy

Alternate title: Zullie making sure not to anger the Dragon/Wyvern/Drake-argumentation crowd. Those people are legitimately insane.

Coming back to this video after Elden Ring, that four winged dragon model is almost certainly the dragons like Fortissax and Lansseax. That means they were made back in like 2015 and finally used like 6-7 years later.

I’ll always love the legend of zelda

That second model has those lumpy bits on it like Oceiros.

im gonna be honest, ive never realized dragons in dark souls have 4 wings

Zullie, Amazing video, really cool how you break things down and make connections. I did not realize the wyvern you do the gesture in front of to get the calamity ring was sitting on a nest of branches. A question I want to ask that is not for DS3. In DS1(R) Lost Izalith where the floor breaks below you and you find seigward. What is the prompt for the floor breaking? Damage, weight, or just passing a certain spot? Does it activate with anyother NPC or does it need to be just a player? Can you teleport behind it and it won't break? will it break from underneath if you somehow started down below could you get back up?

They were saving them for Elden Ring lol