Some of the “get rich” guys seem to be sticking around though 🙄 really need to bring back some love to the animals within the hobby. Community would be VASTLY better. Unfortunately social media keeps attention on undesirable and fake people.

@walkingwolf8072

Жыл бұрын

The reptile industry would really thrive with attention to reptile lovers, and potential reptile lovers. Not the breeders, but people who own reptiles for the joy of owning them. Personally I would be a lousy millionaire, I will not pay for something that I believe is not frugal. I was raised that way, he keeps talking thousand dollar snake, and most normal people, not reptile people, would laugh at him. People considering buying a snake would change their mind instantly listening to him. I was planning on going to repticon Raleigh the 26th, cancelled after researching the prices for snakes I can buy for half the price buying from local, and online breeders.

@antoniogonzalez4534

Жыл бұрын

@@walkingwolf8072 if you're looking for classic snakes, you'd probably be better off with a local clean breeder. It's the morphs that cost still single gene ball python at around 100 dollars. More for certain genes and recessives or multiple genes.If you're keeping right the enclosure can cost 10x even thousands x that. People really need to think of animals future more than just cost of pet. It's expensive to keep any pets if you're doing it right. And you should try to get to a reptile show. Usually can find better deals on accessories, bedding, enclosure, feeders and so on. Even some animals but always look into breeder no matter where from. Also I've heard expos are notorious for mites better of ordering or buy local. So you can actually see where you're pet is coming from. Expos still great for the experience LOL sorry for rant just some things to think about.

@walkingwolf8072

Жыл бұрын

@@antoniogonzalez4534 Pets are not all that expensive, 3 Betta fish in a 10 gallon tank for under 200 dollars. Now they are not snakes but they don't hide most of the day either, and do interact with their owners. Certain snakes are inexpensive to buy, and house, top of the list for me is Rosy Boas especially the males. Corn snakes need a little larger enclosure, but can easily be kept in a 29 gallon tank, even cheaper in a large converted industrial tub. As far as total expense there is the garter snake, which eats fish, chicken hearts, worms which are almost within anybody's budget. When I was young I was not allowed to keep snakes in the house, so it was just a summertime pet. By brother and I would catch water, garter, and racers and keep them in a empty cheese vat from our dairy. We would release them when the temps started to drop. This was well before snakes as pets became popular in the 60's.

@antoniogonzalez4534

Жыл бұрын

@@walkingwolf8072 I understand smaller pets are a bit less to care for but a Betta's life span is nowhere near a snakes. Then there are things like electricity to account for but I agree. Wish I was a kid again lol use to house multiple snakes over winter then release. It was so much cheaper then but so was everything lol. Have 3 German shepherds rn and they're eating me out of house and home, just kidding but for real lol.

@antoniogonzalez4534

Жыл бұрын

@@walkingwolf8072 not everyone's cup of tea but tarantulas and other invertebrates are much cheaper to care for too. Good points bud, take care.

Another great and informative video on the ball python market, thanks for the insight! Keep up the great work! Right now I’m still growing up my colony of albino pied females and super enchi orange dream clown project.

I am in my 4th year of breeding Ball Pythons and House snakes. Once I hit about 20 or 30 Ball Pythons, i started breeding my own rats. I started out using 4x 20 gallon aquariums until a local kid was selling home made rat racks as a side hustle during his summer break from school. I bought 2 of those and before I knew it, I ordered a 3rd for a grow out rack. I have 4 to 5 females to 1 male in each tub and they supply my 92 snakes with food and then some... About 2 or 3 times a month, I take my extras to a local pet store where he sells them. I sell him enough to buy food for the rats and some of the bedding. This has brought my overhead WAY down. So when I sell a snake, most of that cost is profit.

@OlympusReptiles

Жыл бұрын

that is exactly how it is done. And, it makes you recession proof.

@weedpassion5715

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing this I love this and I appreciate you for this comment

really enjoying your videos, about to join that patreon

Thankyou for another great video ❤

I have ball pythons, and I love them, but too many are being bred. Breeders are obsessed over morphs and over-produce to try and get new mutations. There seems to be zero regard for the living animal itself. A lot of people have pets, but reptile keepers are in the minority. There aren’t enough quality HOMES for them. Many are kept in rack systems where they are tucked away until their owner decides to clean up or peek at them… collecting them like Pokémon and not providing optimal living conditions… no vertebrate deserves to live in a drawer. Imagine if these breeding videos were about dogs or cats, people would be losing their minds!

@Iknowright8918

Жыл бұрын

They're not dogs or cats... They're cold blooded animals that lay in wait for ambush feeding response. Even in the wild they don't leave the termite mound for weeks. The problem is "some" people think they need daily walks..... not true...Fresh water daily and clean as soon as defecate with warm hide spot is just as ideal as wild. Thats why they can be bred in boxes.

@StephanieFameli

Жыл бұрын

@@Iknowright8918 you need to see that new ball python documentary. The majority do NOT live in termite mounds and are active snakes according to locals. But that isn’t the main point. They are living creatures that deserve so much better. Maybe the type of people that shouldn’t be keeping them are ones that think it’s OK to collect them like baseball cards and keep them tucked away in a rack system. I’m not going to change my opinion on this..

@ThebeardofCrunt

Жыл бұрын

I see what you're saying and I agree. It seems Ball Pythons are in effect being battery farmed.

@walkingwolf8072

Жыл бұрын

But snakes are not dogs, and cats, and for the most part live just fine without human interaction. The interaction is for the human, not the snake. Snakes by nature hide, hunt, eat, mate, and get warm. All these things they do in a rack except for hunt. The problem for hobby breeders wishing to get rich is they will end up holding the bag when the BP market comes crashing down. Why do you think these breeders are making YT videos? It is for the money, and hopes to drive more people who will go broke into buying expensive morphs that most pet owners are not willing to pay thousands of dollars for. Most pet snake owners are not rich. I have noticed that on online wholesale sellers that the affordable easy to keep snakes sell out the fastest. That should be a major clue to people expecting to get rich off of BP breeding.

@walkingwolf8072

Жыл бұрын

@@ThebeardofCrunt I have no problem with the way they are being bred. What I have a problem with is sucking people into the pyramid scheme. A better idea would be herping in the wild and posting videos. Making money without a huge outlay of capital, even young people are getting into to this, and making money. Where do herpers find wild snakes, in small spaces like under rocks/tins/boards. Guess what in three states in the US catching snakes is legal, my state/NC is one of them. Put the time in, and these snakes make great pets. I used to catch them for pets in the summer growing up, my parents just would not let me keep them in the house.

Thank you for the video, I felt the same way about the market is still good because it is a hobby product. People will always spend on their hobbies. Good advice about slow and steady, Thank you for confirming my thoughts. 🥰

Awesome Im feeling In class right now w the difference I can't disturb the Teacher

Great info as always. Something else worth mentioning is snake enclosures, the demand is huge. I'm waiting 2 months for enclosures from one place while waiting 8 months for the enclosures I really want from another. My next big investment is a generator, how awful would that be to loose power for days from a winter storm which happens where I live. Gotta protect my investment.

Nice been waiting for this one lol thanks guys! 🤙🐍👊

My wife and I are literally just getting back into the ball python hobby with some desert ghost, super ODYB, pied and BEL morphs with the hopes of breeding those and possibly a few others to make some sweet OD DG pied morphs one day. I just gotta say that this was a very useful video for sure especially given the current economic BS that we’re all having to go through.

Str8t up brotha. Love the way you keep it real......

😭😭😭😭 roasting calob at the end haha

Outstanding video! Great explanation of how business works and how it applies to the ball python world. Thank you!

@paulbyfield540

Жыл бұрын

If you drop your prices you aren't doing yourself or anyone else in the hobby any favors.

@walkingwolf8072

Жыл бұрын

@@paulbyfield540 That depends, if the breeder is operating on margin from the bank. If so then they are not only losing money feeding, and housing the animals, they are losing money on interest. I worked for a marina in the Fl keys, the manager was stubborn, he would lose thousands on a boat instead of selling it at a discount to pay the bank. After holding that boat for ten years the total investment in that boat had doubled, and it lost over half it's value. OTH I was selling inexpensive skiffs making money, it was what sold in a tough economy. Bush number 1 had just implemented a luxury tax destroying the economy.

Here in the UK cost of electricity has gone crazy so that's one might not be the same for you guys over the pond but definitely a huge issue here most households are on around £10 per day (12usd) that's without things like reptiles, fish tanks etc

This video reminds of when I interviewed for AmWay

@OlympusReptiles

Жыл бұрын

Lol.

Thank you so much I really needed this. As a soon to be new breeder I was beginning to lose hope.

Great video. At a certain point even with pet snakes only, you need to be raising your own feeders. No matter how much the price of rodent food goes up, it will still cost you more to buy rodents even in bulk from the biggest feeder suppliers. After the initial investment of buying or building your rodent breeding racks, it’s only the cost of rodent food plus a few other tiny expenses. I’ve been raising all of my own feeders for the past 8 years and have occasionally sold some as frozen feeders locally. Mostly I grow just what I need but it would be nice to have enough buyers to cover my cost. If I ever think rat food prices are too high, I just put in my cart at Rodent pro what I need for the month in feeders and I’m happy with the price per bag amount.

The cost of prey has increased tremendously. I have no choice but to pay the price to feed my snakes. Prices were very high for Royal Balls for a while. I am watching this from the point of view of a keeper of a variety of snakes. The Royal Balls are such nice and beautiful snakes. Prices for any commodity run high and lower, the same for snakes. I have heard breeders of Royal Balls say it is not a "Get Rich Quick" type of business. Shipping of snakes has become tremendously more expensive. The breeder passes that on to the buyer. Breeders are paying more for energy, prey, taxes,supplies, insurance. That cost is passed on to people who buy their snakes. Breeding rats must help to cut cost, and sell extra rats. I like to hear, from a breeder, the justification of snake prices. Thank you for this video.

The economy in the shitter sure doesn’t help. This year has been the worst in many. Thanks joe

My biggest thing is cost of food and over saturation, I limited myself to 10 ball pythons have 7 currently and my rat price is somewhat reasonable compared to what you were saying. I'm $3 for small and $ 3.50 for medium locally but even that it cost me more to feed 11 snakes then it does 60 plus geckos granted my only cost for those are wheat bran, carrots and fruit which is nothing. I need to start breeding rats but that's still a year or so out depending on when I get this addition done to the house or get a building done so I can expand.

@walkingwolf8072

Жыл бұрын

BP's will also eat chickens, you should be able to buy a dozen fertilized eggs locally for five to ten dollars. You will need to invest in incubator, or you could just get a few chickens. In the summer they will eat the bugs off the ground, so almost free. When I had chickens for pets I used to relocate about a dozen snakes per month from the pens. Mostly black rat snakes, which make great pets BTW.

It is sad the lack of diversity in the hobby, I only have a few Ball pythons and may breed this season but in all honesty that will be for my own personal goal/achievement as we don’t need anymore Ball python breeders in the world! Great video, also loved the one with the pyramid.

Excellent video very well put I breed rats and mice I go though about 20 bags a month and close to 20 bags of pine so around $800 a month I think more then 4 bags of food a month it cost about $1.25 to raise a rat up to a sm. That’s what one of my friends that breaks everything down

@burningheartexotics

Жыл бұрын

You can bleed money if you don’t pay close attention to holding back the good breeder rats. Rats that produce 8+ babies, seperate babies for nursing and raising, cycle females to give birth 5 times then kill them. If you track your rats like this from 4-6 generations they will produce 2-3 times what you are doing.

This is good!!

Very informative. I am looking to get into breeding myself to give me something to do and maybe make a few bucks when i retire. Thank you for all the vids you do

This is a really great video. 👍 Thanks for putting it out. You really validated a bunch of my own experiences in this hobby. And for the record I do target train my balls. They seem to be responding to the training. It's nice to channel that feeding response at something other than myself. 👍 #stillunder50ballpythons

I enjoy all videos both of you make. The economy sucks for every reptile breeder. I've noticed the price goes up on feeders even on invertebrates as well not excluding enclosures, and all of the other things that it needs. Me at someone who's looking into getting into ball pythons have seen drop in prices but also seen on other morphs still over 5k. I do still understand that breeders still need to make money for all the cost that concure for anything you buy.

@Calvary_Exotics

10 ай бұрын

Hey, Ball Pythons are a hobby and recreation. Therefore, when we see the market getting better, we will see more people entering the market. Also, just time itself produces more people interested in pythons. Feeder prices will go down, and morph prices will bounce back to consistency. Higher ends are unaffected due to projects, but lower end pythons are the ones being bought by the general public. So, I predict that lower end morphs will either be consistent or partially increase in price.

I have a very OT question. I’m just now getting into breeding (only have a GHI pastel Het clown and a Super banana Het pied) starting a clown pied project. Can you explain if and (if), why Dawn is bad for cleaning tubs?

@OlympusReptiles

Жыл бұрын

I don't know why it would be. We can eat off it. Just rinse well.

@wellpwnmesideways

Жыл бұрын

@@OlympusReptiles the internet people tell me to use F10 and F10 only…

@Sammyseuss412

Жыл бұрын

@@wellpwnmesideways Dawn is fine. I use Healthy Habitat. You can also use white vinegar/water, I mix 1:10 if I use that.

@danielpatton3317

Жыл бұрын

@@wellpwnmesideways dawn works. I use chlorhexidine spray. Bought a concentrate from tractor supply. It's lasted almost two years. F10 is stupid expensive in comparison.

@gnjprice

Жыл бұрын

Don’t use man made chemicals. Just use vinegar and water.

Supply and demand

My biggest mistake so far was putting to many eggs in one basket. I sell rats to a private dealer. As well as I would breed pythons. And wholesale all my non holdbacks to a chain petstore. Well that has been my game for a number of years now so I never had to sell outside that market other than my first year. Well as I grew everything went great, but I did know within the next few years I would want to add another contract for my extra ballpythons. Well they went under due to the economy and even though he told me we where on track like usual till the week the first order of the year went out. I should have had a back up plan. So I scrambled and sold online and local. And I still have animals left and I can't ship this year now. But I still should have advertised and had a plausible plan b even though it was dropped on my at the eleventh hour. It was still my fault for not planning better. Lesson learned.

@OlympusReptiles

Жыл бұрын

But at same time, I bet you had capital to work with, overhead under control, and will be just fine

@reptilesrodents

Жыл бұрын

@@OlympusReptiles I do, and I will be fine just had to tighten up some edges. But I did get a great lesson our of it. I can't ever trust a contract will work as hard as you will, or not lie to help his own situation. Keep a plan B just in case. As well as never let someone else control weather you make it or not. Good things to learn going in so you don't need to learn the hard way.

You’re right about the shows. An over abundance of BPs. I know of a guy who talks like he has a “get rich quick” mindset. I wish him the best of luck, but I don’t see the potential fruit like he does, especially when I see so many BP tables at the shows.

Stopped raising rats at beginning of year feeder prices went up so did food and bedding but my wholesale prices didn’t. Raised up a bunch of smalls and gassed and froze everything.

You said as companies layoff workers ppl buy less snakes but also small breeders that get laid off have less to spend on business cost such as rats that are going up in price. Which will lend to ur earlier statement about breeders getting out.

@OlympusReptiles

Жыл бұрын

Case of groceries before hobbies

@walkingwolf8072

Жыл бұрын

@@OlympusReptiles Life essentials can make or break any industry. What do you do when the average Joe cannot afford an expensive morph? Keep pushing expensive morphs? At some point if certain people have their way everybody will be forced to buy EV's, snake or transportation? For years growing up if my brother and I wanted a snake we went to the woods and got one. The snake I had for years was rescued from chicken wire, only recently have I been buying snakes. Only one of my 5 snakes is a morph, but I did not pay any more for him than a normal. To be honest I don't care, I love my 4 mutt dogs, I love my normal snakes. I am more interested in different types of snakes than morphs. If I am still alive this spring I will have a garter for free, the other snake I want is not expensive, a rough green snake.

I honestly was thinking are ball pythons dying out a bit and prices have dropped in genes like clown and pied like banana clowns are around 400 now and albino pied you can get around 500 is crazy. Acanthic pied is still in demand high Also about rat prices, there is only one reptile shop close by and it is 20 min away and I live in a capital city wich is pretty big so I feel there should be atleast on reptile shop closer to me. I hate driving 20 min there and back and spending near 5$ per rat just to have my some only my snakes not eat

Bro when I was 14 n it was like 2013 I rlly feel Inlove with ball pythons n even then I quickly figured yo I’m way to behind to start into this lol so I when in the hognose direction n is going better I feel better is not so overly populated yet n there is tons of room to grow but we all learn n see diff I didn’t want to deal with the big rats n all that I’m so happy with just breeding mice lol but still grate n important video made!

The reptile hobby would be in a much less dire situation if everyone wasn’t breeding the same species. 50,000 ball pythons on MorphMarket alone is just ridiculous. And that doesn’t even account for all of the people who don’t even use MorphMarket. I personally know a guy that has thousands of ball pythons and has never sold a single one online only at shows. We need more species diversity, because it not only makes the hobby more interesting, but it also helps wild populations so we are taking less out of the wild. But the majority of people I’ve ever met in ball pythons are in it for the money and the whole concept of get rich quick that they don’t realize rarely works. The economy getting tanked will be a true show of who genuinely enjoys ball pythons or at least has enough money to hang onto them. If all of the snakes you keep are worthless tomorrow, will you still keep them? That is the true test of how much you enjoy a species. And I find it really hard to believe that so many people would enjoy a pet rock. And if you truly enjoy ball pythons, that’s totally fine, but to me ball pythons are like the Budweiser beer that you have the first time you try alcohol, before you realize the great wide world of alcohol out there. Like sure if you like basic beer it’s OK but there’s so much cooler shit out there that we could be producing.

@walkingwolf8072

Жыл бұрын

I have 5 snakes, do not breed, and only one is BP. I have an assortment, and the most I paid for a snake(CRB) was $200. I thought that was too much but the snake captured me when I held it. The other three, a banded water snake $15 dollars, eats salmon filet, and pinkies, rosy boa $100, normal corn snake $50. Two snakes on my list are rough green snake, and a garter. If I live to spring I have a brown garter under my porch that I will catch, he will probably cost me around $50 for the vet visit.

I'm just waiting for all the cool morphs to come down in price 😌

@OlympusReptiles

Жыл бұрын

Mote of them there are, more they will fall.

Prices are depressed for simple to make animals. The market is flooded with them. While prices may drop some for more desirable animals, it will still be profitable. If i make 6k on a triple recessive instead of 10k, I'm still happy. I'm not crying about it.

@OlympusReptiles

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely. Will use this for a video about that exact thing

Glad im over here getting my small rats for 2 each

If you are still complaining. Rewind the video because you missed something. Lol Rodent prices are key. You can feed your stuff and supply someone else. Make someone else pay your food bills. And share the love without ripping others off. Because when you need to make a sell that person you ripped off ain’t buying from you or bringing clients your way. Everyone is annoyed. so either get out or change your attitude to solve problems for you and your neighbors. If you can solve problems for people. Other people will start solving your problems. He knows what he’s saying. It’s always a long game.

@OlympusReptiles

Жыл бұрын

Exactly!!!!

The problem is in my experience is 94% of my buyers don’t want small stuff the most is looking for that middle ground so I sell red tail boas around 17-1 to balls hell I’m having a better sell of bloods than balls so the middle ground is looking good and that’s been for the past 5 yrs and growing

@walkingwolf8072

Жыл бұрын

And your probably selling to non breeders, which is the way it should work to be sustainable. Plus most pet buyers are looking for reptiles they can afford.

@tristanhill4824

Жыл бұрын

@@walkingwolf8072 I got everything from a regular to a sun dragon so 175-8500 bucks the most sold on red tails is sunglows for me so 450-1100 is the sweet spot for regular customers the high end is when other breeders start sending checks

Litterally how I’m starting out last year had only three snakes only two were breeder size decided to breed and sell rats feeding snakes is more then free at that point put back some cash from that and this year went and bought 9 more and have a pretty well diverse gene pool can breed some higher end stuff and still can produce normals when the time is right and did it all off Rat$$$ with about a initial investment of $300 in my area

...and none of this would be an issue if people quit looking at animals as business opportunities. "oh I just got my first snake ever, what should I breed it with?"

@OlympusReptiles

Жыл бұрын

not everybody does that.

I dont have as many as a lot of users, but food cost has doubled! I have Blood python as well, I actually like the Blood better? and I have common Garter, their personality is so Chill they are great for starter snakes and for kids, they are smaller so easy and cheaper to feed too LOL

@walkingwolf8072

Жыл бұрын

I use to catch garters when I was young, they did bite, but never broke the skin. I want another garter, but I am unwilling to pay high price for a snake I can catch in a trap. We had during warm weather a beautiful brown garter by our porch, I will set a trap for him come spring now that I am keeping snakes again. Garters are cheap to feed, they will eat chicken parts dusted with vitamins or calcium. I have a baby water snake that eats small pieces of salmon filet injected with calcium. I just got him started on newborn frozen thawed pinky mice rubbed with a small piece of salmon.

Didn’t learn much here everything was pretty common sense

Good luck to all the people that get out! I’ll see ya later when you ask to buy one of my sunsets 😂 Stay bullish my friends

Any market needs consumers, a market made up of mostly manufacturing between manufacturers will not survive. It is economics. Snakes that consumers can afford to buy, house, feed will win. Even if they are not expensive snakes the seller will make money if their outlay costs are lower than their incoming income.

@jslithers

Жыл бұрын

People will always find ways to consume that's what they are programmed to do hence why Starbucks line is always a mile long lol

@walkingwolf8072

Жыл бұрын

@@jslithers McDonalds, Walmart, many names are successful, but most coffee shops fail. Small grocery stores fail. Business fails for many reasons, but one sure fire way to fail is lack of a customer base. The big mistake I see with the reptile industry is they are all in some fashion hobbyists, which is not all that bad, except for the holy attitude. I suspect there are millions out there that will buy a snake if they are treated right, they can afford it, and it is a snake they can handle owning. Believe it or not, people owning mutts(dogs) is good for the breeder industry. Many mutt owners move on to expensive dogs, though I myself prefer mutts.

Keep in mind some in Congress want to break the reptile industry. There needs to be more voting reptile owners, and for that YOU breeders/sellers should sell more.

@gnjprice

Жыл бұрын

Voting in a selection process does you no good. You know you live in the Corporation of the United States correct?

Definitely Elon musks fault

@walkingwolf8072

Жыл бұрын

Or Trumps...

@peytonboydz4268

Жыл бұрын

@@walkingwolf8072 no

Rat food has gone up, but not as much as rats. I will continue to order rat food and breed my own rather than paying for rats.

@walkingwolf8072

Жыл бұрын

I had pet chickens at one time, the independent grocers produce dept were happy to give me their throwaways. I was not the only one, and it helped reduce their number of waste pickups. What I couldn't feed to the chickens I threw in the compost, which the chickens loved digging for grubs. Rats eat some of the same waste that chickens do. Also my parrots are very healthy, 23 years old, they have never ate a seed. I have been feeding them with dog food ever since the vet told me that it was higher protein, and good for them. Back 40 years ago my mother had a senagal parrot with some intestinal issues, and the vet put the parrot on medicated dog food. She passed in 92, so I am not sure if the parrot is still around.

It’s a sliding scale. Breeders on top level keep producing more high end. They are making the money because there are less of them. Meanwhile the bulk of the market are fighting for the crumbs. It’s the way it is. Limited supply makes more money.

@OlympusReptiles

Жыл бұрын

Right....but clown ain't limited lol. Only thing that there is more of is pastel

@rogerkramer8804

Жыл бұрын

What I’m trying to say is that the top breeders keep moving the goal posts. You can’t keep following, to make good money you have to be a developer otherwise you will always be at the tail end

@walkingwolf8072

Жыл бұрын

@@rogerkramer8804 Bingo! Low overhead, abundant sales, and a product that people want. Right now that might be the hog nosed snake, but those may become to pricey for the average pet owner. My wild guess would be the rosy boa, currently low price, easy to handle, care for, and due to their size, and food less expensive than a fancy ball python. I think the US Marines had a saying that would be good advice to those in business “Improvise, adapt, overcome”.

You are missing on the consumer. It is amazing that certain industries think they can continue without sucking up to the consumer. Unless you get into government contracts you are screwed without us.

@OlympusReptiles

Жыл бұрын

We have videos about how to deal with customers. I prefer sales in person, and treatment is key. That would be a different video though.

Approximately 4 50 pound bags of rat food for those numbers.

I think the market is definitely over saturated in the UK and alot of it I think seems to be the lockdown hobby people, it was like fuck we are stuck at home on furlough let's buy snakes and breed them ! Morphmarket UK is now saturated with normal bp's for £15=$18 which is crazy 🤪. I also think unfortunately in this kind of scenario the only ones to really suffer will be the animals which is very sad.

@walkingwolf8072

Жыл бұрын

While the low prices hurt, in the long run it means more people with pet snakes, buying more rodents. Make more lemonade from lemons. Also breeders might want to think about breeding something besides ball pythons. I am not long for this earth, but if I had more time and wanted to breed I would breed a snake that not many people are breeding. Stand out from the crowd instead getting lost in it.

@jamiethomas4973

Жыл бұрын

@Walking Wolf I'm in it for having a lovely pet snake but like you said I'd definitely pick something no one else is breeding if I did get into breeding.

I'm not gonna lie, everyone should of seen this coming. No one is gonna pay 1000$ for a BP that doesn't even look as a good as a 250$ pied, besides someone who thinks they can breed it & make their losses back. This was bound to collapse.

I breed RATS, MICE and HAMSTERS. And all are taken by my 20 snakes.

What about if you have just enough space for a ball python collection, but no space to breed rats? I just don’t have the space for a rat breeding program as well. But I’m just starting out, not rich 😂, and I’ve only had 2 clutches with only 30 snakes in my collection. So maybe this video doesn’t apply to me?

@walkingwolf8072

Жыл бұрын

Breed the rats outdoors in the summer, freeze them for the winter months. Before Iguanas were outlawed in Florida I had a friend that was using breeding cages outdoors, he was supplying the pet stores with babies. Feed came from local restaurants, they were happy to give away their waste to reduce garbage pickups.

@OlympusReptiles

Жыл бұрын

It absolutely applies. 30 snakes later will be 20 clutches possibly. So 30 adults, 120 babies. That is 150 mouths. Lots of money can be saved by a small rat breeding area to offset some or all of it. 60 females, would be overkill most of the time. That's 20 tubs.

These are all basic economic business concepts.

@OlympusReptiles

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Yup. But many in this hobby haven't dealt with them before, and others tell them whatever just to make a sale.

44484 as of today 11/20/22

Ball pythons are the cringest reptile trade

@OlympusReptiles

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Lol, no. Trust me.....there is more cringe

Made so much sense nobody will listen.

Snake value go down because of bad info. Like this

@walkingwolf8072

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Value of anything goes down by supply and demand. Making a profit is based on sound business practices, IF the economy crashes, and reptile marketing holds to it's current course it will crash along with it. If the reptile industry adapts, then it will weather the hard times, some people in the industry will make money hand over fist. IMO the BP market is over saturated with over priced morphs that the working man with a family cannot afford. He/she will get a dog, a cat, or a Betta fish instead.

@OlympusReptiles

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What info is bad? There are WAY more ball pythons than other snakes. That is a fact. Shows, way more ball pythons than anything else, also fact Clown number is also fact. The market will still be good for those prepared. We are. Are you? If a morph we are heavily into (say 1 we are hoping to prove, and let's go desert ghost and cryptic) were to cut to 1/3 of value. Sucks, but I'm just fine. If clown cuts to 1/3 of value would mean your business would fail, you should look at altering what/how you do things.

My cousin just paid 5 gs for a dog..... This thing of ours is still viable

@OlympusReptiles

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of course it is. We say as much if you watch.

Bro. You’re one of my favorites. You are going too far into the micro and overlooking a little macro. Or maybe just dancing around it. This is a pure pyramid scheme. Only people buying a 6 gene animal is other aspiring breeders. With the amount of money thrown at this now, you may even be a dieing breed. (Side: if you’d care to discuss with me I’d love to ask some questions purely from an intellectual standpoint). There’s too many warehouse breeders unethically pumping them out. Which is fine this is post WW2 Jewish snake oil capitalism we have. Get rich by any means, screw ethics.

@OlympusReptiles

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We can always chat. I'm not getting rich from this, and won't get to big. The 6 gene stuff, if other breeders aren't buying will just come down in price.

Breeders, the best thing we can do is breed less animals this season. Give 10 or 20 or 30 females the year off. Create rarity and the prices will rebound. I cut my breeding production by 30% this year to try to combat this insane saturation.

@OlympusReptiles

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I don't think that will make a difference. Market will be fine. If it has a tough time, it will then rebound.

This guy never seems to talk about all the bans and new laws going into effect at city, state and federal levels. Or about the way business like strictly reptiles and the lizard king are selling wild cought reptiles as captive bred or farm raised which is setting into motion more laws and bans coming soon. Soon most places won't be able to own anything bigger then a boa, and that's if it can't reproduce and live or thrive where you live. 30 miles from me there's a ban for pet rats 🐀 and mice. The markets not just Overstatuated, and you can mistake these changes for the typical patterns seen in the past but ur wrong. With the new bans and laws people simply just can't own most these thing where they are at now. The list of things they can own is getting smaller and smaller especially if ur from a warm weather state like Florida where it can cause a shit storm when escaping or released reptiles thrive. Ball pythons live for so long, and produce so much there's going to be no relief from the flooded market anytime soon. Covid and The Morph Craze is only things that sparked the monster spike in the trade. Now that's gone so is the legal trade for the most part. It's only going to get easier and easier to find cheap and free snakes and harder and harder for those with them, to get rid of them. Sadly most these idiots that think they knew what the were doing and claiming to know the patterns will just end up decapitating their snakes or freezing them. How can you claim it's just a pattern that repeats itself when hugh variables change causing the pattern to change which means its no longer a stable pattern, which means soon it may not be a pattern at all, oh my.... 😉 I see patterns too, guys like you try and convince people there's still value here, so you can still trick the few suckers that will pay you hundreds or thousands for a $35 snake just because its got cool colors and patterns that would most likely get it killed in the wilds.... yeah cool 😎 👍 sell them fast and cheap or get stuck with them because ur family im sure will love to inherent a million worthless snakes that aren't worth the cost of feed and care. Give it 5 years and I bet you start to find all these ball python morphs around Florida everywhere. I hear some guys are feeding most their entire snake collections to bigger snakes and monitors and gators. Also feeder insects will also have to be bred and sold within ur own states boundaries, stoping all the foreign invaders such as brown widows or other hitchhikers having a snack and catching a ride in your shipment of feeders. It's not just a pattern, and it's not just gonna bounce back like it had in the past.

@OlympusReptiles

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You have the right to your opinion, but saying I am trying to scam some suckers into buying snakes is false, and shows you don't watch me. We talk frequently about the over valuation of certain things, etc. I do believe it will follow the same cycle, and I do think it will ebb and flow. I am not one trying to sell 35k snakes to make my living, not the part of the market I trust and am in. I have zero issue getting rid of any snakes. At all. Never have, price changes and I am ok with that for a multitude of reasons. Next, as far as laws go we have spoken about that. We just don't complain and cry. We advocate using your vote, and as far as I know we were the only channel that ever put out a list of every single house member that voted to restrict rights so people could vote those turds out. I vote based on those laws first. As should most hobbyists. I don't know why you are so angry, my guess is you had a bad experience in the reptile industry. Wasn't from me, and don't spread wild crap. Nobdody is feeding an entire collection to larger snakes and gators, unless it was sick and needed destroyed. That is just blatant crap.

@damonhochhalter2803

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@@OlympusReptiles ur right I do have a opinion and it seems to be the only one that matters. More to you then you know. You may think your talking to someone who has no idea and no influence or power. When my reptile ban of 2022 goes into effect in December of 2023 I guess we will see who's right. The reptile business only makes just over 1.5 billion a year for the US market. We spend over 21 billion combating invasive species per year. I have also stipulated that feeders that are being shipped can contain invasive species that are hitchhiking in the shipments like brown widows in crickets boxes enjoying a snack, so now all live feeders must be bred and sold in state. Think after a talk with you I will try to put in a stipulation on the number of reptiles breeders are allowed to have and reproduce. It's common knowledge how breeders get in too far over their heads and can't provide adequate husbandry and safe escape proof, proper caging. There's a limit to how many dogs a person can own. Should be on reptiles now too. Ur going to have to have a permit to move your reptiles from state to state and some won't be permitted regardless. Soon you won't be able to own anything larger then a boa unless your a zoo or educational permitted. I'm also pushing for fish and wildlife to go after all the little you tubers who keep posting themselves catching invasive species then re-releasing them. Your right about one thing, I dont watch your videos but I will be now that your on my radar. The last one to be on there was strictly reptiles.

@damonhochhalter2803

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@@OlympusReptiles I'm also thinking a reclassification modification is needed to the laws description or definition of live animals, and they should only be shipped following the same practices, services and procedures set in place for live birds, dogs or cats ect. No more mail or ground deliveries, regulated airport pickups and dropoffs only. Not only would that be right and in best interests for the reptiles but im sure it would make you cry to and I must admit I enjoy the thought of that.

Yes but u also need the number of people view morphmarket. So 47 times how many people also out of country, still room to grow

@OlympusReptiles

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So....in reference to ball pythons, or clowns? Ball pythons being solid is absolutely true. We say it ourselves. Such a high percentage of them being clown will push clown prices down. Thinking it won't is simply just hoping.

Selling pythons works it all comes down to how you sell them and advertise if your a idiot with no buy and sell skills then your failing already.