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@nacuda9

Жыл бұрын

Could you do it live, with one speaker? Looks like you had it just in a DAW? Or I missed something?

Thank you !!!!! You really have helped me !!!!! I bought an ultra Phonix and couldn’t believe how good it was, that led me to research your company and what you do, that journey has made my sound so much better. You are INCREDIBLE!!!!! Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge with us!!! Your videos are AWESOME, your effects pedals are INCREDIBLE!!!! Thank you again for sharing your knowledge with us !!!!!!

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for the support!!! 🙏🙏🙏

That guitar and pickups my man.. so good.. this setup is my new direction. Been looking for something like this. Another amazing vid

I bought the Cabzues mono a couple of weeks ago and LOVE it ... awesome product. Great video Mason

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

Good choice!

Very confused by the handful of rude comments... I think this sounds fantastic! I love the idea of preserving the dry signal and mixing in the wet. That's how recording producers do it with bus sends. Well done, good sir!

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching Dakota!!!

@davedeville6540

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, from what I understand it’s some old farts over at The Gear Page who found Vertex’s pedals to be derivative of other designs (the shock 😱) and therefore feel entitled to act like ass hats in his comments section. I think the pedals sound great and his videos are often interesting.

Gosh darn it… why do I watch these… just when I am happy with what I have going on, you put this out… ;-) Loved it. Sounded awesome.

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it!

That thing sounds massive!!! Another great video, thanks!!!!

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

You bet!

Not only is the pedal awesome, your guitar playing is impressive as well! Great job, Mason!

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot!

Sounds excellent Mason.👍🏼 I will be purchasing this! 🎸😊

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

Great unit! I think you'll dig it!!!

My lord the tone is huge when effects are engaged but still with the poke of the dry sound straight up the middle!

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

Yes indeed!

I dig where u went with all of it! Simplify the rig & wala, done deal. Would highly recommend cab pedal. Good choice of wet/FX 2!!

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

Yes indeed!

I’ve been eyeing one of these for a while!!!

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

Well worth the price of admission!

Thanks Mason! Very clear explanation!

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Great playing Mason!!

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

🙏🙏🙏 Thanks Tomo!!!

Sound freaking amazing!

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Jay!

This is so cool thanks!

That Rebel Yell progression is so magical the way Steve Stevens wrote it. Major 7 on the 3rd chord! It’s beautiful.

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

I messed up the "E" at the end...mixed up the E-min vs. E-maj. I didn't catch it until I watch the premier LOL!

@gilguajardo7808

Жыл бұрын

@@VertexEffectsInc I wasn’t gonna say anything about that. 😉

@philf4086

Жыл бұрын

Took me a while to pick up on what Mason was actually playing. You are right with your observation!

@gilguajardo7808

Жыл бұрын

@@philf4086 I recognized it immediately because I’ve worked on it before. There’s a great video of Steve Stevens teaching how to play it on KZread.

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

@@gilguajardo7808 yes: kzread.info/dash/bejne/eKSllbuylsywadI.html however on the record he plays it a bit different from how he demos it here. I tried to replicate that iso track as much as possible minus the "E".

Great video and soon , happy 100K 👏👏♥️

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Great video as always. Thanks for putting these videos out Doc :)

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

Glad you like them!

@PackPractical

Жыл бұрын

@@VertexEffectsInc saving my beans for a pedal from you all. Does Vertex ever have any scratch/dent items come up for sale?

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

@@PackPractical we don’t sell direct but some of our dealers do holiday sales from time to time. Also we have the Tone Secret on special at Sweetwater for $99.99

Good job man!!

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

🙏🙏🙏

Mason, you are highly appreciated.

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

🙏🙏🙏

Yeah bro!!!! Love the opening intro!!!!

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

All credit goes to Steve Stevens!

This is great! given how low latency is now, using aux sends in Logic or the DAW of your choice lets you track with those modulation effects - as well as tweaking later. But I love the idea of committing down all 3 tracks at once. Benefit of doing the modulation effects in the box is tempo sync, or changing the sounds after the fact. But I'm also thinking this is a great way to do W/D/W for live...

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

It's a great way to use your wet effects for sure live or in the studio, no doubt!

Just the Eventide MicroPitch pedal has a great widening effect all by itself. It is one of my favorite pedals.

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

Yes, love it! Pair it with a chorus running into it and you've go the LA Studio Tone for days!!!

@Coop-tu3mj

Жыл бұрын

Digitec Luxe works as well

I am doing this with a Two Notes Torpedo Captor 8 to DI to stereo fx section of my pedalboard. I use a stereo pair of Two Notes Torpedo Cab M plus IR DI boxes. I sometimes mic the dry only cab for wet/dry/wet. Mostly just use stereo. If I can't bring the amp, I use my Bogner Red Ecstacy pedal or ADA MP-1.

@charlesabbott9605

Жыл бұрын

I have a few questions about your Two Note set up. I own a Two Notes Studio but it's not something I want to drag around to gigs with . I was looking at doing something similar to what Nathan did in this video but with a different Two Notes product or the GFI System Cabzeus Mono Speaker Simulator Pedal since I just do the simple mono approach. Oh I'm saying I and I should be saying my son. I am the one that is the roadie dad and acquirer of pedals and such. :)

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

The issue is that you need two of the Cab M to do wet/dry/wet. I like the Cab M a lot it's just a much bigger expensive and more real estate. The GFI does it in one box and is compact and sounds amazing too!

@JRP3music

Жыл бұрын

@@charlesabbott9605 I think the Cab Zeus is great. I just keep my Two Notes Torpedo Cab M plus boxes near my amps. I can use the Cab M devices with or without the amps. Boss makes a stereo IR box too. I like adding more choices of cabs. I didn't want mine on the pedalboard. I have 2 Two Notes Torpedo Captor 8s as well. I have 2 heads I can switch out with an A/B.

wow... that thing makes any amp sound like a Fender Mustang GT! Amazing. Congrats!

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

Ha!

great sound

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

🙏🙏🙏Thanks for watching!

How would you utilize this in a live setting? Would you be at the mercy of FOH if only running one amp? Can you use with two amps - or is that redundant? Thanks for all your videos they’ve been such a huge help with so much deep knowledge 🙏

Great video! The Rebel in me really wanted to Yell!

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

Hahahahaha! Good one ;)

Great video as to be expected. The cab Zeus looks like a great bit of kit. I’ve a question for you as I’ve gone back to using one amp in our live set up but would like to run dc2w / collider in stereo could I take the inset at the guitar mono channel on my mixer and feed it into the collider mono and then into the dc2w and return it back on one of the stereo channels on the desk to effectively have faux wet/dry/wet …..? 🤔🤔

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

You could take the aux send out of the mixer and send it back to the pedalboard to the wet effects and then to the Cab Zeus then the XLR outputs of the Cab Zeus back to your mixer (3 total channels needed).

Great video. Which do you prefer GFI CABZEUS CABS or two notes torpedo c.a.b. m+ ?

Great video ! I love mine as well, I'm using it as a cabsim live. I am currently using it with a Mooer Two Stones on the clean channel as a preamp. But I'm not 100% satisfied. Do you have any suggestions for a clean preamp into a cabsim? I love to play with mid-high gain in front of the preamp. Without a preamp it's not that good imo. THX MAN, LOVE YOUR VIDEOS

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

I've only ever used tube amps for the dry...normally I use my Soldano SLO or a CAE OD100 SE.

Love this! Alternatively, why use a line out from the amp instead of an ABY pedal after your dry effects, to then go to the amp and cabzeus?

Mine died while updating--Nonresponsive. Henry Widjaja from GFI paid for shipping from Chicago to Indonesia, repaired it for free, and sent it back without charging me a dime. Awesome Customer Service! I bug him every once in awhile to upload some AlNiCo speakers.

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

One of the best in the BIZ for sure! Great guys!

I didn't understand why we have to use the speaker output to get the signal from the dry amplifier, instead to use the send jack of effects loop. My amp is a Blackstar HT-60 Soloist and it also has an emulated line out. Can I use it? Another question is about my amp simulator and cabinet, a Boss IR-200, which doesn't has a stereo input. Can I connect the line signal direcly to the input and use the wet effects into IR-200 effects loop? So, in this case, I have the stereo out of IR-200 to complete the wet/dry/wet chain.

Hey man thank you for this video. You are really helpfull. BTW I love your boost. It's always on in my pedalboard. I have a hughes & kettner grandmeister deluxe 40 for gigs but I don't like the red box cab sim that it has. You think that I have to buy the CabZeus or torpedo captor x? I want something to go direct. I don't know if I have to go for irs or this cab sim. I can't test both of them here in Greece, please help man. Furthermore, I don't like taking my cab with me anymore. Especially for small gigs. I love my cab but I love my hands too. I have stereo effects too. Timeline, Bigsky. Maybe cabzeus should help me to take them with me?

What about putting the cabzeus in front of the wet effects? If the cabzeus is the final device of the wet chain then all the effects go through the speaker simulation. In the studio there is a mike in front of the cabinet, and all wet effects are added to that mike signal. So if the cabzeus would be the first device in the wet chain then this might emulate the typical studio situation much better. Have you ever tried this?

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

You could do that in an ampless context, however that's not how I'm using it here. I think there are better devices now suited for that, like the Iridium by Strymon or ACS-1 by Walrus (among others). I think this wet/dry/wet application is really best with the GFI Cab Zeus however compared to all others for its size and function as well as the sound.

Def can see how this could be a great set up for Rhythm tracks then recording a mono Lead track panned center!👍

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

Yes!!!

The version of the Cabzeus depicted in this video looks a bit different than the product listings I am seeing. Did you just change the knobs? Sounds awesome!

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

I had to change my knobs so it would clear the underside of my tiered pedalboard when I stack the Cab Zeus under my Cioks 4 power supply. The stock knobs sat just a tiny bit too high (by like 1/16"). Otherwise I wouldn't have needed to change them.

Beautiful tone Mason!! I'm planning on setting up an amp-less rig (well amp-less with the option to switch to actual amps). Would you basically run the same setup you have in the video and replace the amp with something like the Boaa IR200 or Strymon Iridium and using the Cabzeus? Or would you approach it in a different way?

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

Any of these would work for that, you just need to make sure that the dry amp is in mono and the effects are fed the second output from your cab sim as the "line out".

@johnborges9201

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Mason

Awesome Uncle Mason as always thank u!! Where exactly on your pboard does it reside?

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

Craig, you can see it here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/m2t4tqaNZ8zUkbw.html

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

There's also some b-roll shots of it on the pedalboard in this video :)

Sounds great Thank you! Where do you purchase a line-out box?

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

There are a few options. Budget (but still great) the Bray Line Out Box is $50 on reverb.com. For high end, the Suhr Line Out Box is about $150 but has an isolation transformer and polarity switch for phase correction.

HI! A comparison cab zeus and strymon iridium would be interesting (and other speaker simulation. I'm not a strymon fan, but the iridium is very small and practical - and works on stage.)

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

It's not comparable in this situation as 1) the Cab Zeus isn't an amp simulator, only a speaker simulator and mic simulator and 2) we're using a real tube amp for the dry signal and only doing the wet processing through the Cab Zeus after the line out box. The Iridium can't do parallel routing on its own or produce three channels for dry, wet left, and wet right, so it would still require that you use the Stereo Cab Zeus in order to replicate our signal path shown in the video, and the only difference would be the Iridium instead of the Dry Tube Amp (Doctor's Special) we used in the video.

@didifischervideo

Жыл бұрын

@@VertexEffectsInc Ok, yes I see...

I have a tom anderson built by the man himself. It’s a 93 I bought it from Terry Britton Tina turners guitar player

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

Nice! This one I think was late 90's or early 2000's. It's been modified some from the original by an ex-Anderson employee, Benny Rodriguez.

Dude, I love this pedal! How many watts is it? does it come with speakers? Asking for a friend

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

It's not a speaker or a load. It's a speaker simulation and mic simulation. In the way that I'm using it, it's sending my dry amp preamp section and power amp section (but not the speaker) to the wet processing effect (Delay, Reverb, Modulation) and then to the Cab Zeus in stereo for the wet left and right. Separately, the Dry amp is still connected to it's own speaker cabinet for the dry effects as it's own channel to mix in parallel with the wet left and right.

Could this be used in conjunction with the Helix? Not a fan of Helix stock cabs. Great video 👍🏻👍🏻

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

Yes, you could. To do something similar You'd use one of your amp sims/cab sims for the dry (channel 1 on your DAW), and then use another output as an amp sim, but with no cab sim on it, and send to your wet effects and then the Stereo Cab Zeus (channel 2 and 3 hard panned left/right).

So can I do the Van Halen detune chorus wet-dry thing from my H9 (or an H90) with one amp and speaker?

How do you connect the Daw back to the amp so you can hear the wet effects through it? What port is used? Thanks.

Tbh if you're just recording at home, just try some reverb / delay plugins before buying this.

Great video...What brand and model are your studio monitors...shouldn't they be in your diagram?

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

They're Adam A7X monitors

Hey mason, yet another amazing demonstration of an incredible piece of gear that could be a real serious tool in the right hands. Probably not mine! LOL I have a question for you, I have your clean boost the latest version which is the small box and I just purchased a Chase tone secret preamp. I'm wondering if I should put that chase pedal after your Boost pedal or if in fact they both will play well together? I'm definitely not getting rid of my vertex clean boost! Any input would be greatly appreciated from this religious and rabbit follower, subscriber and sharer! Jim from Seattle

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

I find the EP-preamps actually are best boosting into other pedals. Historically they'd be used before a delay (like the Echoplex), however they aren't particularly good line drivers and tend to do better adding color to other pedals, particularly those with distortion. I would say to use the Secret Premap as a pre-gain boost, and the Vertex Boost as a post gain boost after you OD pedals.

Thanks for the great comprehensive video. I had a question, have you used the Cabzeus with an amp modeler pedal like the Walrus Audio ACS1? So going from your pedals to the ACS1 then out from there to the Cabzeus and then out to your DAW or FOH. What are your thoughts on this kind of setup?

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

No, only speaker, cab, mic modeler. You'd want some sort or preamp before it.

@benpearson4195

Жыл бұрын

@@VertexEffectsInc So would my Jackson Audio Prism be sufficient?

very cool Doctor

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

How would one do wet dry wet live without an interface ?

How do you hear it in the room? The dry amp is there, but do you just use computer-powered speakers to hear the wet effects while you play?

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

Studio monitors...Adam A7Xs

Can this be used with a Solid State amp? Still kind of a noob. I really dig that opening riff you were playing, BTW. Not sure if it's an original piece of yours or not, but I'm going to have to learn it now. Thanks again for the informative content!

@bobtoebes2483

Жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/iJikytiuqcS8j6w.html

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

Sure...the solid state (main amp) would be used for the DRY, you'd need a line out box however to get the wet signal in parallel and then feed your Stereo Cab Zeus. Thanks! That was from Rebel Yell, a song by Billy Idol played by guitarist, Steve Stevens.

@bravo4adventure988

Жыл бұрын

@@VertexEffectsInc Awesome, now I need to get a Cab Zeus and line out box. In the meantime, I guess I'm looking up Rebel Yell tutorials. Thanks again!

I am a little confused about the wet dry wet system - I am running a stereo system using the IRIDIUM - I play at church and it seems for a live application, I am putting the control for the mix of the wet and dry FX in the hands of the front of house tech and honestly I am not comfortable with doing that - Another issue I have for live application is the stereo aspect - If I am sending a mono(L) dry signal and a mono(R) wet signal to the front of house, how can that give me stereo dry and stereo wet? - These are some of the questions that have me stumped regarding a wet dry wet system?

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

Mark, the DRY should always be MONO. The way you'd do it with the Iridium is you do mono into it (stereo wet effects will come after it). So, MONO input to your Iridium with your last dry effect. If you go mono in to the Iridium, you get dual mono output from it. Output L is your dry. Output R feeds your wet effects in stereo where you'll end up with a Wet Left and Wet Right outputs at the end of your wet signal path. This provides you three lines. DRY (out of the output left from Iridium), and WET R and WET L (being fed by the output right of the Iridium). Three channels. The way I get around this with sound guys is I'll put a volume pedal after the Line Out (or in your case the Right Output from the Iridium) and keep the mix at 50% on the volume pedal (since it becomes a mixer for the wet in that position). When you sound check he'll dial you based on 50% wet mix, then you can find tune for each song with the volume pedal wet to dry ratio.

I hear why this is great in a studio recording situation. I am curious what you would recommend in a single amplifier, live situation? I see a lot of new preamp boxes with cab sims available. I just cannot decide what might give me the widest range of tonal opportunities using my Marshall DSL40 w/ 2x12 cab. None of these newer products really go into detail about how they would work on a single live amp for the tone. Any thoughts?

@BarrySteindel

Жыл бұрын

I am thinking I should be more specific. I realize cab sims are for flat frequency response but what about using the amp sims and other features of many of the products like Strymon, UA etc.. ?

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

It's great for live too...I use it in wedges or IEMs depending on the gig and how you were getting the house mix. I'll also throw a low Z volume pedal after the line out so I can use that volume pedal as a "mix" pot for the wet vs. dry so I don't have to relay on the sound guy. It's just important that your wedges or IEMs have some relation to the FOH mix so you know how you're mixing the wet relative to the overall house mix.

@bretonleo8740

Жыл бұрын

@@VertexEffectsInc I did the same thing (analog dry amp + digital emulations for both wett amps) with my HX stomp at home, and thought it will cause some serious phase issues in live context. I also feel (I can be wrong !) that your clean tone with your dry amp and the cabzeus with effects off had a slight latency / frequency filtering happening Obviously In a home studio context I can drag the wave form to align the signals, that’s not possible in live, how do you deal with it ? Thanks a lot Leo

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

@@bretonleo8740 you need to use a line out box that has a polarity switch like a SUHR ideally so you can correct the phase. Secondly you need to hard pan the L and R wet signal and cabs and leave the dry straight up. A lot of folks don’t do this at the mixer or FOH or internally in their software if it had the option.

@bretonleo8740

Жыл бұрын

@@VertexEffectsInc thanks for the answer Leo

Definitely subscribed...

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Troy!!!

I wish I knew what this all meant... I'm so dumb when it comes to these complex rig set ups. I just run a a cable into a few pedals and out to a mono amp. The Kemper is about as techy as Ive gotten and I keep that pretty simple too.

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

Did you check out our diagrams?

@GuitaristGuyJames

Жыл бұрын

@@VertexEffectsInc I’ll have to revisit it

So what speaker simulation is occurring (and where ) on the dry amp? I assume an IR on it since it’s bypassing the amp speaker with the line out ? Are you using an IR in the daw for the dry signal? And if you used this live would you use the speaker from the dry and mic it to FOH or Some other form or IR to the FOH on the dry? Asking for both live loud stage and live silent stage situations

@ITheFight

5 ай бұрын

No he’s using a microphone on the dry amp.

Neat,i really like this....but do they make a bass version ?....would be so good if they made a bass version, i'm sure it would be very popular with bass players,i take it you can use it in both mono & stereo guitar mode...i find stereo with bass not as good,maybe the low frequencies don't work so well...famously Billy Sheehan has used stereo for yrs but it works better with his modulation effects...hard to get a good stereo live bass sound...sounds really good & very versatile...please make a bass version..i bet it would sound so good...so they do make a mono version...lol...

@joelhabrial3897

Жыл бұрын

In the software editor, there is an option for bass cabs. I don't remember how many there are, but its ready to go for bass! they do have a more affordable mono version too.

Great video man....and a cool product. Half the price of the Captor X. I had to watch a more basic video to understand this one. First I hear of the Cabzeus...Seriously thinking about it but It's been around for 5-6 years which makes me wonder how much longer it will be supported. If you have your real cab connected via the Thru option and you just want to jam/practice....does the Cabzeus box need to be turned on?

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

Remember the Captor X isn't the same category of product. Captor X does load, attenuation, and speaker, cab, and mic simulations. There aren't competing products. The closer comparison would be the Two Notes Cab M. However, that is only in mono, but does preamp sims, power amp sims, and has the Two Notes library of cabs and mic to pair with it. I have a Cab M and use it often, but it wouldn't work for this application without using two of them and a lot of the added features are lost on this application. For the budget, the size, and the sound for a wet/dry/wet rig, the Stereo Cab Zeus is the most compact, best sounding option. If you used the "THRU" option you'd need to connect to a power amp if you wanted to feed speakers with your wet signal. The other alternative is to use the XLR outputs and feed powered monitors, FRFR speaker cabs, or wedges..

@jegl1012

Жыл бұрын

@@VertexEffectsInc Thanks. My comment about the Captor X was in reference to the features that they do share. Mics, cabs, a desktop app, and presets. That said I do agree with you...they are different products mainly because of the loading and attenuation. I had looked at the Cab M but long time ago and I had forgotten about it.

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

@@jegl1012 Even so with the Captor X you'd need two of them and they can't easily fit on a pedalboard or be powered.

@StaticBlaq

Жыл бұрын

Hey, do you have a link to the more basic vid that helped you? I'm trying to get my head around the setup myself. Cheers.

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

@@StaticBlaq see here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/m2t4tqaNZ8zUkbw.html

What piece of gear can you use to blend in and mix at different levels if you're using Friedman BE-OD, Soldano SLO, Wampler SLOstortion pedal, Quilter labs Superblock, Orange Terror Stamp, etc so you can have all these pedals turned ON but be able to mix them and blend them in a stereo LR mix? some of these amplifiers guitar pedals have a built in power amplifier and others they don't so its hard to mix the outputs together. What would your recommending using or can make a vide lesson about this would help out.

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

None of those effects are in stereo, so you couldn’t blend them in stereo, but you could use many different parallel mixers to achieve the effect of blending them together. Rolls, OBNE, musicom Lab all make something to address this.

@waynegram8907

Жыл бұрын

@@VertexEffectsInc I'm not sure if the Rolls, OBNE, Musicom Lab will be able to mix/blend a Blackstar AMPED Dept 10 because its output is 100 watts, Orange Terror Stamp output is 20 watts, Quilter Labs Superblock output is 25 watts. The Rolls, OBNE, Musicom Lab is mixing/blending LINE Level Outputs. These guitar amplifiers pedals are "not" line level outputs because they are outputting very high signals levels from 20watts to 100 watts, So I'm not sure which type of mixer would be albe to mix/blend the outputs of multiple different and various amplifier pedals. What would you recommending using?

Thanks for reminding me to subscribe. I kept forgetting

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

🙏🙏🙏

Could you do this exact same thing with a hx stomp in the place of a cab zeus? I can't remember if it has setreo out

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

You could but it would be an under-usage of the product and would be expensive, larger, harder to power.

Is this more for recording? How will this tone work in a band setting or with multiple guitars?

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

I use it live (have the wet processing come through wedges or IEMs along with my mic'd guitar amp for dry). I would work great in any setting you're also separating your wet and dry signal so you can mix them as you desire. You can also throw a low impedance volume pedal after the line out an use it as a mix for your wet processing vs. the dry.

I think all these products and technology can be cool and do have potential if used properly, but honestly to me the best guitar sounds (those to which I gravitate the most) precede the invention of most existing effects such as overdrive. The disadvantage we have is that the kind of amazing gear which produced these "golden age" guitar tones which many of us love and covet is now exorbitantly expensive, cost prohibitive, and as such is accessible to only a select few. Being a gear nerd to me often feels like a compensation for this fact so when I am looking at gear to "enhance" my tone or until such time as I can afford the kind of expensive, vintage gear that produced these sounds, I try to bear that in mind and understand that I am not going to get *exactly* what I am aiming for, but I can try and come close I can and hopefully have fun in the process.

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing!

What if you have an amp without a line out or an effects loop for that matter? What would be the next best way to get wet/dry/wet?

Hey Mason, I am a bit confused on how this could be used in a live setting with one amplifier? Are you saying that all of the sound is coming through one speaker, or are you using two other speakers like a PA to create the stereo sound?

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

The only thing that would change is that instead of the DAW/Interface you'd got to your FOH mix and IEMs or to monitor wedges or FRFR speaker cabs/powered monitors with the XLR outs from the stereo Cab Zeus.

@stevejarosz8136

Жыл бұрын

Still confused. Fatter sound through one amp. Right? Or do you get the mono for that? I was thinking this is strictly for studio.

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

@@stevejarosz8136 you have three sources 1) dry (which is the amp) 2) wet left (which could be your playback monitors or a powered monitor or FRFR in front of you) and 3) wet right (also could be your playback monitors or a powered monitor or FRFR in front of you). If you're playing live you generally have wedges and an FOH mix in front of you or in ears. So you can get the wet sound in a myriad of ways.

It almost sounds like there is a bit of a chorusing or double-tracking effect when you engage the Cabzeus with the wet effects off. Is that just a product of essentially tripling the signal, or is that a result of the latency difference between the mic'd center sound and the digitally created left and right cabs? Or is it just me hearing something that isn't there and I'm dumb hahaha

@joelhabrial3897

Жыл бұрын

To my ear, it sounds like its slightly out of phase likely due (as you said) to the inherent latency of digital processing. You could fix that in a DAW, or if you run an amp on stage and the CabZeus to FOH, this would be barely noticeable.

Hey Mason, thanks for the video! Question - do I need a line out box for this? What does the line out box do? I Have a dual rec was gonna use the slave out straight into Boss chorus, split from there into delay and out to cab zeus - PA system

@SparkyGoldsmith

2 ай бұрын

The Doctor's Special Amp doesn't have FX loop so that line out box is enabling an output to FX using the speaker output into the line out box instead.

@DirtyMikeTM

Ай бұрын

@@SparkyGoldsmith what?

@SparkyGoldsmith

Ай бұрын

@@DirtyMikeTM I don't know how to make it more clear. Go to 4:15. Also look up the amp on Sweetwater and look at the back panel. All that's available is the Ext Cab jack. He could have done a much better job explaining this. It took me awhile to figure out also. The diagram is a bit misleading.

just verified ... still a subscriber. Thanks for reminding us to check!

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the support!!!

Do you double track your parts often, or does this WDW make that unnecessary for you?

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

I don't...this was all one take with three printed tracks. Dry (center), Wet (left), Wet (right).

Just my humble opinion: the Cab Zeus does add a bit of space between the L & R channels, but not enough for me to get all horney about. It's subtle enough for me to question the hype.

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

There are many ways to get there, but remember this isn't a Cab Zeus thing that you're remarking on. What you're hearing is a wet/dry/wet recording. This way of setting up your gear for a true 80's/90's sound that's pretty unique. We're simply using the Cab Zeus here as the instrument to consolidate the need for a stereo power amp and two more speaker cabinets to pull it off, and doing it all with digital emulations from the Cab Zeus for speaker and mic sims for the stereo wet effects in parallel with the dry amp. If you didn't like the sound (or like it enough to warrant a change) it's not the Cab Zeus, but rather you might not like the sound of the wet/dry/wet application.

Kind of a specific question, but I’m trying to build an ampless rig and want it to run stereo. My initial thought was having a preamp pedal like a peace hill fx or Kingsley before my wet fx and then have the cabzeus at the end of the chain. Is it a problem that the cabzeus doesn’t simulate a power amp too?

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

It can be, I frankly think the Cab M from Two Notes is better for what you're doing, however it's not stereo, so you'd need two.

@noahprins4409

Жыл бұрын

@@VertexEffectsInc gotcha, what if I put a cab M directly after the preamp, into the stereo wet fx, and then had a direct box at the end?

nice. Sounds like Billy Idol White Wedding guitar sound.

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

Billy rocks! Steve Stevens on guitar all day!

Does the GFI Cab Zeus have any SRV cabinet simulations? the same type of SRV speakers he used and Cesar Diaz added thicker plywood to the open cab cabinets SRV used.

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

No, it's not so much for that application, however you could use it to duplicate your dry cabinet and hard pan it like I showed here. They don't have EV speakers here like SRV might have used. They're more abbreviated but are great for this application in a Wet/Dry or Wet/Dry/Wet setting.

@waynegram8907

Жыл бұрын

@@VertexEffectsInc So the GFI Cab Zeus is kinda of like a poor mans way of using a Y splitter box to splitter your amplifiers line out signal then going to and a boss EQ pedal. Guitarist in the 80's would do this to configure a wet/dry/wet rig buy using the line out of the amplifiers then using a Y splitter box going to a boss EQ pedal to boost and EQ the signal

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

@@waynegram8907 No, it's replacing 1) your stereo wet cabs 2) stereo power amp in a wet/dry/wet context. The Dry amp and mic'd cabinet are still there.

@waynegram8907

Жыл бұрын

@@VertexEffectsInc Bogner overdrive pedals use an audio transformers which causes transformer Hysteresis and 3rd order harmonic distortion which is more like using a console or amplifier. To make a poor mans WET rig you can use a Bogner pedal and boss EQ pedal on the DRY amps line out/line out box. This is what the 80s poor mans way of making a WET rig. Check out Bogners video explaining the audio transformer kzread.info/dash/bejne/oo6Hwcp_h8qxY8o.html

Cabs Zeus put a little sparkle and polish on the dry tone!!!

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

Plus add your wet effects in parallel if you use it as shown here :)

awesome, have you used the Simplifier dlx? similar chain use

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

Not the same chain use. I'm using a real tube amp for the DRY sound and the LINE OUT that's sent to the wet effects and then the Cab Zeus. In essence I have the tube amp hitting three channels, but some have the wet effects in stere with a simulated (digital) speaker cab and mic where my tube amp is mic'd as normal. The Simplifier an amp/cab sim all in one. To do this with the Simplifier you'd need multiple or you need the simplifier plus the Cab Zeus.

@nayaleezy

Жыл бұрын

@@VertexEffectsInc I'm novice thx!

Great video! Killer tones! Can I ask you why you need the line out box? Could you not run from an extension speaker out into the cabzeus?

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

Brenden, remember for a wet/dry/wet rig, you need the line out box to send the signal prior to the speaker to the wet processing effects, then to the stereo power amp, then to the wet speakers. The paralleled speaker extension jack is expecting to see a speaker and load, not a series of effects pedals and then a digital speaker sim. The Cab Zeus isn't a load.

A noob here. So it sort of simplifies the process of parallel routing, is that right?

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

It takes care of the speaker, can, and mic on the wet processing side of things (in parallel with the dry amp).

This might work for me. Slightly confused though.. If I were using this without the interface, and performing live, how would I wire this setup from the Cabzeus?

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

You would feed the XLR outputs from the Cab Zeus to FOH (and then your IEMs) or you could feed it to powered monitors as well instead of the DAW/Interface.

@phi2771

Жыл бұрын

Oh, ok. That makes sense. I was thinking this was a one amp solution to have a wet/dry/wet setup.

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

@@phi2771 This is a 1 AMP solution for a wet dry wet set up

Hallo, Are cab zeus have Power amp option? If compare with Torpedo Cab M , what you chose?

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

No, for stereo this is preferable as the Cab M would require two for a stereo signal.

@gmantera

Жыл бұрын

Thanks 🙏

Damn... Those pedal.. my dream to line them .. 🤟🤟🤟🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

Some great ones here...the GFI Cab Zeus ties the tone together :)

@darwindarnei7060

Жыл бұрын

@@VertexEffectsInc cab Zeus is like filter, it make crystal clear, I've got to get one of those.. 👍👍🎸🎸

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

@@darwindarnei7060 they're great and compact for this Wet/Dry/Wet context especially!

The haters can go kick rocks! I love when a muscular super strat can do amazing cleans as well (like you demonstrated in this video).

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Is this used with tube amps, or used instead of an amp?

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

Yes, dry amp was a tube amp, then line out box feeds the wet processing effects in stereo then ending with the Stereo Cab Zeus. This is diagramed in the videos a few times.

Mason How would you compare the GFI with say the Two Notes Torpedo C.A.B. M+ Speaker Simulator Pedal? One over the other?

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

I like both, however you'd need two CAB M's to do this and the space needed and the power and the cost is significantly greater at that point with not necessarily a better result.

@charlesabbott9605

Жыл бұрын

@@VertexEffectsInc Sorry I forgot to mention my son likes things simple so he only runs mono. I was looking at the GFI Mono Cabzeus versus the Two Notes CAB M+. Is there a way to get your tone in the video (sort of cause it's mono) oh and just using a combo amp that doesn't have an effects loop? My apologies for the lack of specificity. I say it in my head but it doesnt always come out that way on paper.

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

@@charlesabbott9605 If you were to use the Cab M you would disable the preamp and only use the power amp, speaker sims, and mic sims. You can mess around with what tube types for the power amp you want, normally in the 80's and 90's guys used H&H Power Amps or the VHT power amps. They normally used KT88's but you can experiment with how you like it. For the cabs on the wet it was normally a 1x12 close back cab with EVM12L's or sometimes Vintage 30's. You'd also sometimes see 4x12 Marshall Cabs with V30's from the 90's (like a JCM800 Cab) used for the wet as well.

@charlesabbott9605

Жыл бұрын

@@VertexEffectsInc Thank you so much. Yeah if there was a product that could internally loop everything at the pedal board to make a wet dry wet using say a CAB M or a Cabzeus and get that sound with a singular combo amp that may or MAY NOT, have a built in effects loop would be amazing because it would keep the amount of gear you have to lug around down to half. I get running it through FOH might be necessary to get that desired effect, then back to the wet effects and finally to the combo amp that would be ideal. Again there may not be a way to do what I'm describing without the extra stuff, but wouldn't it be cool?! 😎 Thank you for replying. Your brain power and how you put your videos out there inspires me and I'm certain others to keep striving to find our sound. And isn't that what most artist's look for, anything that can Inspire us?

Some Rebel Yell in disguise 🥸 kool 🤘🏼

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

Yes! Pretty sure it's the same as the ISO guitar, except the mix up with the E-maj vs. E-min at the end LOL!

@LuisHernandez-dy1rq

Жыл бұрын

@@VertexEffectsInc kool either way . I’m a fan of your videos . Great info and work

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

@@LuisHernandez-dy1rq Thank you!

What is the box on your second diagram left of the Cab Zeus?

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

The Line Out Box???

So this or the iridium? A comparison video would be great!

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

They're not comparable, they do different things. If you swapped the Iridium in for the dry amp here, you'd still need the Stereo Cab Zeus for the stereo wet effects. The Iridium only replaces the dry amp and cab, but nothing to do with the wet.

@belmontdrew1

Жыл бұрын

Can you not use an ABY pedal after distortion pedal to split it into 2 signals and run one as dry to a single amp, mic'd, and the other to chorus and pitch shifter, out in stereo via Y splitter cable into the Strymon Iridium set to stereo input, out L R into delay and reverb, then stereo out into daw? (The Iridium section is set up like you set up Mitch's Sweetwater Iridium board)

Is there a difference between a power amp and a cab/IR?

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

Some of the Cab Sims/IR loaders have a power amp sim, however a real power amp can drive a speaker cabinet, these can't.

where/how is the Cab Zeus connected to amp?

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

It's all diagramed in the video. Let me know if you can't find it.

May I have the original Tom Anderson pickups please. 😆

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

Don't know that I still have them!

Great demo, that device is amazing! These gear companies are really delivering great functionality to today's players.

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

Yes indeed!

Recording aside, how is it as a pedal?

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

It's designed to be an accessory to your pedals, I suppose you could use it on its own but it's more beneficial in combination with other products as demonstrated here.

Neat concept, but I'm not really into how it sounded. Still really cool to see what they've made.

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

How do you know which part of what you’re hearing is the Cab Zeus?

@bradleyhenady2032

Жыл бұрын

@@VertexEffectsInc dude why are you so defensive to every opinion that differs from yours? Just let the dude have his own opinion. He doesn’t care for the sound and that’s ok. I don’t care for how you close your eyes to talk every 3 seconds. That’s ok too.

@Alleroc

Жыл бұрын

@@VertexEffectsInc because I ordered one about two weeks ago XD. I just did a big pedalboard rebuild. It's still a cool concept, just not for me. Checked out your video to see how someone else was using it.

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

@@bradleyhenady2032 seemed like a fair probing question to learn more. How could it have been better phrased?

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

@@Alleroc how were you using it?

Very complicated but sounds cool

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

Shouldn't be too bad...what was the part you got lost it? Did you see the diagrams?

I think you forgot to turn it on during the intro

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

It's always on, doesn't have a bypass just like a speaker cabinet.

what is the Song he is playin in the beginning. i know it

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

Billy Idol "Rebel Yell"

@selfsupremacy7816

Жыл бұрын

@@VertexEffectsInc thank you. one minute later i got it