The reason why I'm here is because I always mistake ISTPs for INTJs at first sight, but then after knowing them better I realize they are completely different from us INTJs.

@ninibugg6203

8 ай бұрын

I wish the entire mbti community could read this comment

I’ve been waiting for this. I’ve always thought those 2 personalities are very similar exterior wise. The strong silent types.

That’s pretty interesting. My brother is an ISTP and I’m an INTJ, older brother is an INTP. Interesting to hear all 3 mentioned. One thing I’ve noticed with the ISTP’s is that they don’t entertain the hypothetical realm that hasn’t yet become a fact. If I propose an idea that they cannot find studies for, they will have zero interest in having the conversation or even entertaining it. Some time will pass and often times that idea will be confirmed by someone prominent, then they will accept it. I find the conversations with most S types quite frustrating. But everyone around us does think we’re “exactly the same.” Our mannerism, way of speaking, the depth of knowledge of what we’re talking about, a bit of a know-it-all vibe, etc.. Very true about the explanation of emotions as well. I see ISTPs struggle to connect with people because they don’t seem to understand much about it or perhaps don’t know what they’re suppose to feel or is what they feel the right way of being a normal human? I, in the other hand can easily connect (or at least make the person feel like we connect), know what I want and don’t particularly seek connections as I love my alone time more than appears normal. Anyway, will stop rambling but this subject is very fascinating as I’ve gotten to type everyone around me and better understand how I’m perceived as well. I wonder what are your thoughts on the subtypes as well. It was very helpful to learn about the subtypes.

@NB-qy7ku

2 жыл бұрын

I would like to discuss this or listen to more of your "ramblings". I find what you said to be fascinating. I am intrigued and would like to discuss this if you be up for it? :)

I think the concept of pairing functions on either the convergent or divergent side of the stack is so overlooked in the community. Te/Se in a "developed" INTJ can really assist with the get-up and go factor in em but of course being lead by Ni, versus The Se/Fe working together in ISTP's that can really help with not good but better Fe and of course being lead by Ti... etc. Great breakdown here Jinx

As an intj, i trust you as a reliable source.😂

@Moreso_fly

Жыл бұрын

i said the same thing lmao

your voice and accent are sooo soothing I could listen to you forever

The ISTP likes using power tools and likely has a very organized shop to store them in. They know exactly where every tool is at all times. INTJs may design power tools, but only use them when forced to. The INTJ’s garage is not organized, and they might not be able to find the tool when they need it. They frequently end up just buying another of the tool they need, which later adds to the clutter.

Differences I've noticed as an ISTP: - An ISTPs Ni makes us driven, but to nowhere in particular. There are signs on our Ni road, but they are sparse and we aren't particularly motivated to observe them necessarily. - An INTJ is compelled to follow their Ni impressions and seek to execute what they visualize and plan carefully to meet their ends. - An ISTPs tertiary Ni has a mind of it's own (perhaps Ni has a mind of it's own general), but our dom and aux functions makes it easier to ignore, although Ni still asserts itself in 'creepy' ways (trying to extract meanings from random things, starting from one point and not realizing how you've ended up in a different position/place, disassociation, imagining things that may or may not be present/real, not knowing the time, but somehow still being able to tell the time EXACTLY - this is as strange as it sounds) - ISTPs and INTJs have different ways of dress which both seem to be tied to where their respective Se is in their function stacks. Both can dress well, but one does it more often than the other (I'll let y'all sort that out amongst yourselves lol). - INTJs are well-respected nerds. You can't always tell that an ISTP is even one.

@larapunk3532

Жыл бұрын

You can't say that istps well-respected nerd, Bec. They hide or what your point?

@kevrokka.d.9749

Жыл бұрын

@@larapunk3532 I meant that many times one can't tell that ISTPs are even nerds at all.

@larapunk3532

Жыл бұрын

@@kevrokka.d.9749 Understood, but they can really be if they wanted, they have a blowing smart mind

@hermaphrodits7685

Жыл бұрын

So true, particularly for the dress thing. From my experience, istps tend to be more into trends. They are more aware of what they are wearing than intjs. On the other hand intjs way of dressing tends to be either random or really serious and/or expressive. For example, I've seen a lot of intjs wear a brown trench coat because it makes them look serious and mysterious or a basic oversized sweat-shirt because they like that it's comfortable. For istps I've seen a lot of them wearing glamorous makeup and really trendy clothes or like intjs they wear comfortable clothes because they simply like it.

@kevrokka.d.9749

Жыл бұрын

@@hermaphrodits7685 Very insightful and observant post.

You explained it better than the rest of other ISTP or INTJ videos

Good analysis Well done

Thx 4 the analysis :)

What else would you add about the differences between ISTP and INTJ?

@RevRideReason

2 жыл бұрын

The over analysis of things in high Ti, especially Ti dom, is so accurate even with high Se. High Te is more efficient 1st before Ti, which can help them start things quicker and is offend why people mistake high Se with high Te, btw Jinx, I now watched this video 8 times in between other vids to check for consistency🤦🏽‍♂️. I'm pretty sure Te does the opposite but which proven resources according to the majority... interesting

ISTPs are more charming and also meaner

@kevrokka.d.9749

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, we are. lol

@badbed2202

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, mate. Intj is a boring nerd 🤓 nobody likes them 😆 they also quite mean and vulnerable because of poor social skills 🤣 Istp are the best. 😎

@malakashraf2801

2 жыл бұрын

I am not mean , man 😂

@aname5449

2 жыл бұрын

Awww! Thanks asshole!

@kellikakes81

Жыл бұрын

Yes. This! Lol. Charming AND mean! An interesting mix lol.

Can you do ISFP vs INFP?

@INFJinxed

2 жыл бұрын

Sure!

Compared to intj ,the Istp is more like a bull in a China shop An opinion by your friendly neighbourhood infj

I don't know if you speak german, but the for the whole video and especially from the Nardi quote on, I had one question in my mind:" Ist das eine Feststellung oder eine Festlegung?" Is this all a definition or a diagnosis? If it's the former, then I'm asking how these arbitrary behavioral categories fit together with the basic definitions of the functions logically - and in consequence for what do we even need cogn. functions, if we actually just put people into arbitrary boxes like everyone does without knowledge in typology - and if it's the latter, then I'm wondering how anyone knew which type he or she examined, because if there was an objective measure for the correctness of people's personality type at all, then we wouldn't need your or anyone else's explanations on youtube at all, because everything would be consistent and unquestionable, which typology is the contrary opposite of? But instead of asking this question, everybody in this community just rambles on, builds their own little castle in the air and thinks that they have actually understood anything

@INFJinxed

2 жыл бұрын

I would say it is a definition that is further expanded when research looks at the brain. I get where you are coming from, that there are multiple defintions and that not everyone agrees on the defintion in itself, which can make things a bit fuzzy and asking the question: “what are we actually trying to define?” However, I am not sure I understand which part of the video or of Dario Nardi’s research says that we put people into arbitrary boxes. You mean the part about the defintions not being consistent?

@hanspeter2534

2 жыл бұрын

​@@INFJinxed The problem is that mbti founds its 16 different types on the combination of the 8 cogn. functions. One could ask:" Why only 16 types? Why only 8 functions?... There must be something fundamental to justify that, but when you start to describe these functions with usual behaviors, you deprive yourself of the system's foundation, because there aren't only 8 different behaviors, or 16 combinations of these behaviors. That's why describing it that way puts people into arbitrary boxes. The point is that you (unintentionally?) establish your understanding of the codeword eg "INTJ", then people type themself or get typed based on this understanding and in the end they are "used" as an evidence to proof that "INTJ's" really are like you described them in the first place. That has the semblance of a diagnosis, but you actually just dig out what you have burried yourself and the important thing is that the established understanding of an eg "INTJ" has nothing or very little to do anymore with what the 8 cogn. functions originally meant - they have just become the codeword for a combination of behaviors. The community destroyes the structure of the system this way. Taking into account that a type describtion is never based on objective facts, but the interpretation of objective facts, because you cannot know what is really going on in someone's head, it is impossible to objectively type someone, there will never be an objective scale for the correctness of typing results, so that EVERY attempt to draw connections to actual science, is arbitrary and pointless.

@larapunk3532

Жыл бұрын

@@hanspeter2534 I can agree with u, Bec. 90% of describtion, couldn't be so accurate at all, bec. Of this I don't take description as a source from the beginning, 99% of all descriptions of all types, are really not even close to the real type, manners and action can be completely be different from the same type, and two other different types can have the same. The point is to understand function and try to see it in people accurately as u can. The mbti is made after numerous interviews with people, they get to know the sequences of thinking +feeling and acting, then people come to semplified with the letters es. he's quiet so he's I, he thinks differently he's N, he's not emotional so T, like ordering J, and description But when you get to see the reality, the functions and the way of acting, it seems so different. We can add that mbti is not the way of typology that can describe you 100%, this is way there's different typology as enneagram, socincs ecc. So you can sum them all up, even u've met 3568 people with all same typology, your descriptions wouldn't be the same and gonna be great differences, environment, genes, brain, religion, parents can be factors. I hope I can understood your point of view correctly. I tell I've been 2 years searching for istps videos, they're really not anything of what people are saying, compared with reality and people I know, the same with intjs, infjs I've never found a good description 99.9% r unhealthy and logically they'r dumbs and silly