Here are the timestamps. Please check out our sponsors to support this podcast. Transcript: lexfridman.com/israel-palestine-debate-transcript 0:00 - Introduction & sponsor mentions: - ExpressVPN: expressvpn.com/lexpod to get 3 months free - Babbel: babbel.com/lexpod and use code Lexpod to get 55% off - Policygenius: policygenius.com/lex - Eight Sleep: eightsleep.com/lex to get special savings 4:42 - 1948 1:03:14 - Partition 2:07:47 - October 7 3:01:59 - Gaza 3:28:34 - Peace 4:33:18 - Hope for the future

@ComradeCooper

Ай бұрын

Podcast length record breaking day.. this should be good.

@pumpernickel1955

Ай бұрын

the intro is litty🔥

@joea959

Ай бұрын

There is no debate when it comes to genocide. Poor civilians are starving, crying in pain, and dying in horror on mass. I'm usually a fan but for yall to be well feed and rested put all this effort into nothing when it's yall with the money and influence... Shame.

@paulsacramento5995

Ай бұрын

Yes. What Hamas is doing is horrific and, perhaps worse is how the Muslim and Arab world could care less about the Palestinians.@@joea959

@davedavisness

Ай бұрын

Please interview: Rabbi Elhanan Beck, George Galloway, Ilan Pappe, Christopher Bollyn, Mohammed El-Kurd (part 2)

What an unfairly set up debate. How is Norm supposed to take on Mr. Bonnell, Mr. Burnelli, Mr. Morelli, AND Mr. Borelle at the same time?!?

@Ian-ky5hf

Ай бұрын

😅😅😅😅😅😅

@amorpaz1

Ай бұрын

He was having so much fun doing that haha

@Cagliostro85

Ай бұрын

Old codger.

@Zubshady2333

Ай бұрын

By running circles around him

@jumpvelocity3953

Ай бұрын

@@Zubshady2333more like slowly floating around by the speed he’s going

Teacher: “No talking in class.” Me and the boys in the back:

@rayhoodoo847

5 күн бұрын

lmao

@bodhidharmashmarma5179

10 сағат бұрын

Huh?

Can we all agree how criminally underrated Mouin Rabbani is? I’ve never heard such a wonderfully eloquent, calm and composed speaker. It was a joy listening to him!

@Micscience

5 күн бұрын

Exactly how I felt after watching this.

@Jazril

5 күн бұрын

He's amazing

@triggerhapp0990

4 күн бұрын

Nope he can’t condemn Hamas! He’s also a conspiracy theorist like Finklestein

@zsoltszabo22

3 күн бұрын

Maybe you should listen to what hes saying instead of "how eloquent he is" when spouting bs.

@Micscience

3 күн бұрын

@@zsoltszabo22 You just gave a point to the other side. Even Rabbani's enemies don't discredit him like that.

How tf we have 0.5x, 0.75x 1.00x 1.25x and 1.5x speed in the same debate

@birkli2959

Ай бұрын

Rabbani is my 1x standard here,, Morris is a little bit quicker

@revelacol2149

Ай бұрын

I’m on x2 on Finkel and it’s still too slow, once someone else interrupts I lose 5 paragraphs tho

@areichental

Ай бұрын

We need a unifying speed edit

@mofishin2648

Ай бұрын

.5 speed is for when Destiny talks 1.5 speed is for when Stinklepeen talks and it's still not sped up enough lol

@Destiny.Hassan

Ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂

Two historians, a journalist and a video game streamer walk into a bar...

@Sukhix05x

Ай бұрын

I don’t particularly like Destiny… but he’s been putting his work and time in this.

@ADmeditate

Ай бұрын

​@Sukhix05x maybe he shouldn't 😂

@beansdestroyer

Ай бұрын

A discredited historian **

@etaithegamer1560

Ай бұрын

A Holocaust denier, a journalist, a historian and a political streamer walk into a bar

@i-rogi

Ай бұрын

@@beansdestroyer discredited by who and why?

I'm glad that this was hosted in a 1970's airport interrogation room. Really adds to the international politics feel.

@sivannatalie

Ай бұрын

😂

@kwg5044

Ай бұрын

Nice

@scaife

Ай бұрын

Niche but excellent comment

@genshishio9316

Ай бұрын

😂

@DanBarry851

Ай бұрын

Thank you for this comment, I got more enjoyment out of it then the entire debate.

This debate is equivalent to 3 Mr. Olympias going to the gym with a guy who just got his planet fitness membership 2 weeks ago.

@Annthole66

Күн бұрын

That is AWESOME!

If international law is irrelevant than why is the un recognition of israel in 1948 legitimate?

@dinuraboody1249

25 күн бұрын

The 1948 partition resolutions was approved by the UN general assembly which has no legal power, it's basically a recommendation. The 1920 League of Nations resolution, however, is binding by international law (the resolution called for the founding of a Jewish state in the area of Palestine (which included the territory of modern day Jordan, Israel, and the Palestinian Territories). Thus, if you want to play the game of legitimacy, Jordan and the Palestinian Territories are illegitimate and belong to Israel.

@jeremysanders8138

24 күн бұрын

@dinuraboody1249 wrong, there are 4 factors conducive to sovereignty that are the foundation of international law regarding the establishment of a nation state. This includes recognition of another country, whether it be a group of them or not. Being that the league of nations did not exist anymore, the un had to step in and relegitimize said rule. It was absolutely not a recommendation. It was 100% a legal premise to establish Israeli sovereignty as it has been the rule for thousands of years. Most laws are based on principles that have logical/philosophical reasoning behind them. Those 4 factors have been around (not knowing used, however) for a very long time.

@jeremysanders8138

24 күн бұрын

@dinuraboody1249 I would agree it was not necessarily an established law such as criminal law but the "recommendation" as you refer to it is based in rules that have previously existed and if were not followed, whether it be by the un or the United States, israel would not have lasted very long...making it a necessity to facilitate in order for israel to be established. The very early and prompt national recognition definitely carried israel in the long run.

@jeremysanders8138

24 күн бұрын

@dinuraboody1249 it's the same philosophy behind the rule that countries will not negotiate with terrorists as it legitimizes them

@dinuraboody1249

24 күн бұрын

@@jeremysanders8138 I'm sorry that you don't like the facts or that you've criticism regarding the League of Nations. But what you're saying is just false. The resolutions approved by the League of Nations don't require any factors to go into effect. The League of Nations had much more power than the UN. Anyway, the point still stands, if we'll Play the stupid game of "legitimacy". So most countries were founded after WW2, there're international law foundational basis is faulty, and nobody cares

Destiny: *utters a single word* Norman: Mr. Raviolli brace yourself

@hopesy12u4

Ай бұрын

Moeen Rabbani: [breathes] Morris: [smiles coyly] that is also a red herring.

@shacharlavi8556

Ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@Galilelo_Telescope

Ай бұрын

I can’t tell if it’s good or bad that he doesn’t respect him at all.

@sunset2.00

Ай бұрын

Norman did factually correct a lot of times on destiny.

@SjlaydGaming

Ай бұрын

Ok there are many funny comments but this is my favourite by far! XDD

Every time Mr. Finkelstein said his name: (00:02:05) Mr. Borelli (00:33:07) Mr. Bonnell (02:00:00) Mr. Barelli (02:18:05) Mr. Bonnell (02:45:18) Mr. Borelli (02:47:45) Mr. Morelli (02:48:15) Mr. Borelli (02:52:43) Mr. Bonnell (03:01:14) Mr. Burelli (03:10:44) Mr. Bonnell (03:12:20) Mr. Borrell (03:17:46) Mr. Berelli (03:18:54) Mr. Farelli (03:19:11) Mr. Berelli (03:21:51) Mr. Berelli (03:24:38) Mr. Bonnell (04:19:27)Mr. Bonnell (04:20:42)Mr. Bonnell (04:21:33)Destiny (04:22:19)Mr. Bonnell (04:23:57) Mr. Borrell (04:24:06) Mr. Birrell (04:26:55) Mr. Bonnell (04:41:18) Mr. Bonnell (04:51:40) Mr. Birrell

@rustlings0ul

Ай бұрын

Thank you for your service

@Jedidine

Ай бұрын

🤣 bravo 👏

@thetotaldepravity

Ай бұрын

Appreciate the levity in these dark times.

@ksulli5505

Ай бұрын

He also called him Destiny once or twice when he was heated

@axaeyexus

Ай бұрын

😂😂😂

Rabbani debates like a sharp knife. Quick, precise and cuts straight to the point. Easily the best here. Raises many imporant points. Hope he's given more time to spread the message in other media as well.

@MM-rv5he

18 күн бұрын

If you think Muslims today hate Jews because of Israel and Christians because of America, you have been completely brainwashed.. I copied and paste just a few verses directly from the Quran. Take a look. Source: The Qur’an: “0 ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another: And whoso among you takes them for friends is indeed one of them. Verily, Allah guides not the unjust people” “Among the Jews are some who take words out of context, and say, “We hear and we disobey”, and “Hear without listening”, and “Observe us,” twisting with their tongues and slandering the religion.” “Due to wrongdoing on the part of the Jews, We forbade them good things that used to be lawful for them; and for deterring many from Allah’s path.” “You will find that the people most hostile towards the believers are the Jews and the polytheists.” “For the Jews We forbade everything with claws. As of cattle and sheep: We forbade them their fat, except what adheres to their backs, or the entrails, or what is mixed with bone. This is how We penalized them for their inequity” “The Jews said, “Ezra is the son of Allah,” and the Christians said, “The Messiah is the son of Allah.” These are their statements, out of their mouths. They emulate the statements of those who blasphemed before. May Allah assail them! How deceived they are!” “Ask the Children of Israel how many clear signs We have given them. Whoever alters the blessing of Allah after it has come to him-Allah is severe in retribution.” But remember we are told the Quran/Islam is a peaceful, loving, accepting religion 😂 as a person whose read the Quran 3 times, in speaking to many Muslims, I can assure you all, that majority of Muslims have not read the Quran themselves not even once! What a racist vile book! Truly is. By the way, the Quran mentions Israel 43x, The Quran mentions Palestine 0x. But remember brainwashed Jihadis in 2024 want you to believe that “the jews colonized Arabs”. The Arab Caliphate is the 5th biggest colonizing empire in HUMAN HISTORY!! The Arabs are originally only from the Arabian Peninsula (Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Oman, UAE, Kuwait) but yet society has everyone brainwashed to think Arabs are somehow also native to the Levant (Israel, Lebanon, Syria) and North Africa (Morocco, Algeria , Tunisia, Libya, Egypt)! 5th biggest colonization empire in HUMAN HISTORY! Those are the fact!

@RitaKamil

18 күн бұрын

I like that he is soft spoken and articulate...but he can't shake his extremism...he mumbled Anwar Sadat (the Egyptian PM who made peace with Israel) SHOULD have been assassinated...that's like wait...WHAT?!

@itryesitr8053

14 күн бұрын

rabanni was awful and refuses to answer any quesiton

@MisoAntro

13 күн бұрын

@@itryesitr8053well that’s clearly false to anyone who watched the video.

@matusmotlo3854

13 күн бұрын

@@itryesitr8053 Taking the time to explain the context of a biased question before anwsering can only be seen as a refusal to anwser by a goldfish with the memory of 3 seconds that can't even concentrate on watching a tiktok dance...

:Often, the only allies of the dispossessed are those who experience similar circumstances" 4:38:47 perfectly said

"With all due respect, you're such* a fantastic moron." 😂 that one caught me off guard.

@segasys1339

Ай бұрын

Y u no put timestamp?

@dark32224

Ай бұрын

Lol.

@Zone47.

Ай бұрын

It shouldn’t. Thats all finkelstein ever does

@retwerts

Ай бұрын

Yeah, what a great “counter argument”

@BaconCrumb

Ай бұрын

its in the intro dw@@segasys1339

Norm: "What is your name please?" Destiny: "Steven Bonnell" Norm: "Okay thank you Mr Burnout 3 Takedown for the PlayStation 2"

@masonscott2168

Ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@mmoolloo

Ай бұрын

The guy is delusional and senile. Give him a break.

@italoruiz474

Ай бұрын

Jajajaja

@copsuicide

Ай бұрын

Nebraska Steve loves to get publicly humiliated lmao

@joespheigo2061

Ай бұрын

Solid game. Burnout revenge was the one I played the most though .... 50 car pile ups 😅

This needed way more mediation than it got. Conversations were completely de-railed and became personal.

@aygunsamedova1083

15 күн бұрын

Yes, thank you! At some point I couldn’t tolerate Finkelstein’s screaming, cutting people, silencing, the disrespect. It was too much and unprofessional.

@kathrynmoore2370

13 күн бұрын

If norm and destiny were gone it would have been way informative .

@Paulie_Geelie

4 күн бұрын

@@kathrynmoore2370if destiny were gone it would’ve been fine. You can tell the three educated men respect each other, but Norm could not stand Destiny’s self righteous, know it all, disrespectful attitude about a subject which he clearly knows significantly less about.

@diddlefiggins6557

2 күн бұрын

@@Paulie_Geelie norm just started yelling so you couldn’t hear destiny every time he asked a question norm didn’t want to answer😂 The amount of cope in these comments is rough

@tiktokviral6218

2 күн бұрын

@@aygunsamedova1083norm couldn’t even get a sentence out

The Destiny-Finkelstein dynamic is absolutely bananas.

Norm Finkelstein: ‘What is your name, please?’ Destiny: ‘Steven Bonnell’ Norm: ‘Ok, thank you Mr. Burnelli’

@beetie1308

Ай бұрын

Loved it 😂

@emy_2510

Ай бұрын

i heard borrelli hahah

@leastbased

Ай бұрын

wtf is this lol, 3 actually kinda important people worth listening to and then theres this unwashed looking double divorced weirdo lmao

@tylerr4478

Ай бұрын

😂 Mr. Bostiolli

@tylerr4478

Ай бұрын

😂Thank you Mr. Boselli

Norm: What's your name? Destiny: Steven Bonnell Norm: Thank you, Limoncello

@GreyKnight7777

Ай бұрын

I love that 100+ comments exactly like this showed up days after its initial release, indicating that this it isn't an organic thought but instead regurgitation from Destiny reviewing the video on stream. Especially because he correctly responded with "Bonnell" in response to Destiny's reply, proving it's a completely fabulized deflection.

@samuelc.7212

Ай бұрын

​@@GreyKnight7777This was published today was it not?

@randomnamerandomname

Ай бұрын

@@GreyKnight7777 He's such a grown up baby for miscalling his name the entire time but when he thought the camera went off he was like "Mr Bonnell", what a slimey little smug Finklestein is.

@Epicgamerytt

Ай бұрын

​@@GreyKnight7777 you love that comments came after people actually watched the 5 hour video, rather than commenting 5 min after upload or memeing about twitter clips taken out of context? You're really going out on a limb there GayNight666

@GreyKnight7777

Ай бұрын

@@samuelc.7212 It was not.

Mouin is so level headed in the midst of all the shouting. What a boss.

@whatoh3407

23 күн бұрын

To be fair, nobody was shutting him up and insulting him.

@ave3087

20 күн бұрын

@@whatoh3407 For a reason, respect is earned.

@whatoh3407

20 күн бұрын

@ave3087 Respect is a two-way street. You have to give respect to get respect. You can respect an individual while not respecting his or her knowledge on a topic. Unfortunately, there was one person in this debate who completely disrespected everyone in the room and the audience. That person also admitted to not taking the debate seriously. That person doesn't deserve respect, especially if he's not going to respect the time of his audience.

@ave3087

20 күн бұрын

@@whatoh3407 Are you talking about Destiny??? Mouin seem respectful throughout hence my point, if you respect yourself and others, others will respect you.

@wolfumz

8 күн бұрын

I really think Mouin got his points across nicely. Rabbani and Destiny rest part of their argument on "Palestinian Nationalists, they are inherently irrational. You can't reason with them. Peace is impossible, because you're not dealing with rational actors... unlike Israel, who, despite their misgivings, are at least rational." This irrational behavior is variously blamed on Palestinians religious beliefs, desire for personal power, violent culture, or some other moral failing or character defect. I think this argument is a bit silly, on its face, and Mouin answers it well throughout. There were plenty of times, I think he revealed a flaw in Rabbini's characterization. I remain undecided on Israel Palestine.... but one thing that drives me crazy about the pro Israel side is how they want it both ways. When they're ring to make a point about how Palestine is bad, they talk about how Isreal is a secular, progressive, high tech democracy. They act like Israel is in the same camp as Sweden and Norway, culturally. They use this characterization to appeal to progressives. But when they need to claim right to the land, or justify seizing the land, suddenly, they are no longer a secular nation state acting on a democratic mandate. Instead, they're a Jewish country for the Jewish people, and they are meant to serve this ethnoreligious group, according to their religious principles. Its very annoying to me how, in these debates, the pro Israel side picks whichever characterization they find most convenient at the moment. To be sure, extreme far right religious views have played a huge role in how the nation has conducted itself with respect to Palestine... but Rabbini and Destiny act like this is negligible. It's not. It's behind a lot of Isreal's worst behavior. In realty, Isreal is both of these things, in different measures, and these two poles are always in tension with eachother.

Im a single mother of three in a small town in South America and it has taking me three days to watch through half of the video. And it has been worth it all the way! I have known about professor Finkelstein since I saw him talking in a danish tv show. We were hundreds of thousands that left there homes to live in exile, due to the many dictatorships in our continent, and there are still many organizations and groups that work in solidarity with the people of Palestina. Thank you @alexfridman for letting small people like me, take part of what big minds think. Regarding the content, I wonder why suddenly the international community (like UN and all the orgs and agreements exposed here) are irrelevant. They seem to have been played a major role in the creation of the state of israel, but then not important when they had to keep the requirements of the same agreement. This person called Destiny (?), talks so fast, like he is step-dancing over history, also with a familiar cold attitude, the same adapted by those who refer to dead children as "casualties of war". So, maybe this whole table can agree on that the life of a civilian has been dehumanized (yes, here too). How much does it matter if it was 500 or 50 thousand, when only one is already too many and israel has crossed the line for what was imaginable for any modern society, or so called democracy. Either their leaders are highly guarded by more powerful people that themselves, and thats why they stay in power, or jewish people are just as selfish and moraly corrupted as they have been blamed for. How can human life (actually, life in general), be just a number that go up and down (like the exchange rate chart presented by Bassem Youssef). This makes me think about this program with John Steward at the Daily Show, and the famous frase "if you think like a human". Maybe we should just stop talking war-language. What about a table with activists that work - in the field - for peace achievements between the resident people in the area. Are they able to see any hope?

@taniaoyarzo7462

6 күн бұрын

Im on h4:23 and wonder why this dude, Destiny was invited. He has obviously not the same level of knowledge about this cause.

Mr. Bonnell x17 Mr. Barelli x1 Mr. Borelli x2 Mr. Morelli x1 Mr. Berelli x4 Mr. Borrell x2 in case you were wondering

@2lostbikes

Ай бұрын

😂

@niazismail2803

Ай бұрын

😂😂

@elliotlake1882

Ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@Levisavolent

Ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂

@homelessengineer5498

Ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

I love how Finkelstein spent the entire first half of the debate quoting Benny Morris at Benny Morris

@Ajsopranosrubberdux

Ай бұрын

Morris really couldn't come back he just blustered

@Thetb93

Ай бұрын

let me quote you yourself from my own book

@alejammi

Ай бұрын

​​@@Ajsopranosrubberduxsuree buddy. Go read the actual content of the quotes that norm casually takes out of context and you just gulp it up like a good boy

@Ajsopranosrubberdux

Ай бұрын

@@alejammi I've read Righteous Victims...

@jack123xyz

Ай бұрын

@@Ajsopranosrubberdux with the reading comprehension of a toad apparently

Seeing Destiny with these three is like watching chess semifinals between Carlsen, Nakamura, Rozman and me 😵‍💫

@doodlebawb

19 күн бұрын

You should brush your teeth and then watch the full episode

@KnightSansk

19 күн бұрын

more like destined to be an idiot

@igniortix

11 күн бұрын

No caruana instead of levy?

@wayfaringstranger4444

9 күн бұрын

He seems to be doing okay. To his credit it doesn't seem like he jumps in anywhere where he doesn't have knowledge. This is my first introduction to Destiny tho

@thelevelbeyondhuman

4 күн бұрын

No? Destiny actually belongs there. You wouldn’t belong in a chess match with any of those people.

I'd enjoy a calm discussion with just Rabbani and Morris 👍

@Williamottelucas

21 күн бұрын

I'd enjoy a calm discussion with just Rabbani.

@right8630

19 күн бұрын

Yeah but in reality this so called history expert supporting Hamas tells me he isn’t he is literally cherry picking and straw manning everything.

@daddykipperflipper4600

15 күн бұрын

Yep. Get those two babies out of here, maybe have Lex learn to moderate as well.

@kathrynmoore2370

13 күн бұрын

Yes

@imnezu8940

9 күн бұрын

@@Williamottelucasguy proved himself to be a complete moron when they brought up who killed Israeli’s in Oct 7th. Disgusting loser refused to even answer and implied Israelis killed their own people. Idc how good of a historian he is after that he lost all credibility on this topic.

"It is called attaching VALUE to WORDS, Mr. Banjo-Kazooie"

@hamzamahmood9565

Ай бұрын

I choose my words very carefully, Mr. Majooki

@sethdhanson

Ай бұрын

I read this comment this morning and have been laughing about it all day. Thanks for that.

@anFy81

Ай бұрын

@@sethdhanson same - it really cracked me up

@joshfranklin9941

Ай бұрын

Finkelstein has severe dementia.

@jjbama8201

19 күн бұрын

I kept thinking "Do names not apply to your rationale on your superior intellect..."

Norman Finkelstein and Benny Morris are historians. Mouin Rabbani is a Middle East analyst and Destiny is a girls name.

@Moose-wj8sc

Ай бұрын

Lmao nailed it

@Deadmeet100

Ай бұрын

AMAZIN

@absoms8311

Ай бұрын

Definitely a stripper name.

@elracionalista

Ай бұрын

Finkelstein is just an arrogant asshole.

@666atyler666

Ай бұрын

Perfect assessment!

His respect for Steven is so low he forgets his name immediately and permanently

Watching this debate as somebody who knows very little of the conflict - this is so concerning, everybody has such a huge conviction and confidence that they are correct, and with an utter refusal to even for a second see the problem from the other side. I can see how bringing jn Bonnell is entertaining and create friction, and maybe one could go further to say it is a more fresh angle. However, I think it really was detrimental to the actual content of the debate.

I fell asleep watching this and woke up at 2AM angry in the middle of an arguement.

@ahmxddd

Ай бұрын

😭😭😭😭

@aSSGoblin1488

Ай бұрын

i fell asleep and woke up in the middle of finklestein trying to take destiny's kid away from him

@vibesverily

Ай бұрын

​@@aSSGoblin1488yeah, cause norms a humanitarian. just seeing destiny on the internet is abuse, imagine the psychic trauma of having to interact with him in real life and knowing that he's your father. yikes!

@joelkaben

Ай бұрын

Lol 😂

@rodhabb271

Ай бұрын

same here

I already know I'm gonna need a cigarette for this I dont even smoke

@RocketGator05

Ай бұрын

Me neither... I rolled 4 blunts. Cheers

@rm809

Ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@Gallowglass7

Ай бұрын

Hah

@wisemage0

Ай бұрын

You do now, buddy...you do now.

@dougsfriendskeeter

Ай бұрын

​@@RocketGator05two minutes in and im on my fifth blunt

Who thought it was appropriate to bring his nephew to this discussion?

Thank you so much Lex for organising such debates. I have just introduced this to my 18 year old son to watch and learn.

@meylinlibertaskeef3346

13 күн бұрын

18 year olds shouldnt be watching 5 hour "debates", coming from a 19 yr old

Where the heck did the time go? Can't believe I allowed my blood pressure to fluctuate for 5 hours 😂

@poet.alhashimi

Ай бұрын

Lol

@wearelovedbyGOD

Ай бұрын

All those Laughing laughing.is zionist propaganda

@Brandon-ne3xz

Ай бұрын

Agree. Totally engaging discussion. Grueling 5 hours revealed truth- the story of two unfortunate nations. The West is doing injustice to both of them.

@alabrrmrbmmr

Ай бұрын

According to my watch I just completed my most intensive workout of the past 12 months. Also, it is telling me to contact my physician.

@jocsanabdala9456

Ай бұрын

Finklestien is HALARIOUS😂😂😂

“Don’t change the subject, Mr Spaghetti!”

@jarettmitrani9498

Ай бұрын

hahahaha

@FarvaU23

Ай бұрын

I find it strange that Finkelstein sees himself as a rigerous academic, based on all of the criticisms he throws out, but half of his arguments against destiny are ad-hominem. It is a bad look.

@AG-gp1kd

Ай бұрын

@@FarvaU23 well to be fair, Destiny was being a motormouth

@markpozsar5785

Ай бұрын

@@AG-gp1kd ikr he should have rather grandstanded for 30 minutes

@zoey4623

Ай бұрын

@@FarvaU23because he’s fighting the dehumanisation of of a people. I think another person would feel the same heating and upset someone justifying the holocaust

This is such a fascinating debate. It hurts that there is no resolution and I feel that this will be the defining conflict of our times

@robertorolfo

23 күн бұрын

What resolution do you want? There are still so many people in the world that hate Jews for no good reason. And then there are those that rightfully defend Jews, and of course we have given Israel the ability to defend itself. Until those ignorant people stop attacking Israel, what do you expect?

@azamhuq

5 күн бұрын

It hurts my ears every time "Destiny" starts going off with his poorly made arguments

@robertorolfo

3 күн бұрын

@@azamhuq Nothing "poorly made" about them. Undeniable logic hurts your ears?

this is like a discussion on theoretical physics between Ed Witten, Roger Penrose, Peter Higgs, and the crazy russian hacker

Finkelstein: What's your name? Destiny: Bonnell Finkelstein: OK. Thank you, Mr. Vermicelli

@LoneWulf278

Ай бұрын

😂😂

@MilliePlateau

Ай бұрын

Destiny is a lot like Vermicelli

@user-sd7et3wx1g

Ай бұрын

🤣

@eugenkok

Ай бұрын

Don't mention it, Mr. Frankenstein

@goldeneagle256

Ай бұрын

the irony are tho despite how many times he got that name wrong, thats propably what i had least issues with. for someone that uses a terms like international law so many times its absurd how little he know about it, and someone like finkelstein should really know that UN and its resolutions are simply political opinions and have nothing to do with international law, or any other laws for that matter. the only exception are resolutions under chapter 7 given by the security council, but those are so rarely used i think last time was in the ballpark of 2005 or something regarding something that happened in lebanon. its allso absurd how he state that the israeli settlements are not legal according to international law, yet theres nothing in that law that actual in any way say they are illegal

I died when finklestein said “I don’t use those machines” in regards to a phone hahahahaha

@billybitchcakes8611

Ай бұрын

You might be interested to know that he doesn't have a cell phone of his own. He uses a landline lol

@krille696

Ай бұрын

@@billybitchcakes8611he should use a landmine, or nvm his walking speed probably wouldnt activate it anyways

@user-xd7jh4ih4g

Ай бұрын

he read a book about it, he good@@billybitchcakes8611

@MXS369

Ай бұрын

I think he meant the ipad

@exposedhobo

Ай бұрын

Trying to explain to a man military aviation hierarchy and process when he doesent even own a phone

50m in and I gotta say, this is a very thorough book review.

Thanks for this debate Lex! Like always, those conversations I think are what we should do more instead of acts of war which we should do less. This free type of debate was nice. I would also like to see another format where debaters would have some clear goals in mind. Being on the same page with common starting goals could have beneficial outcome on the conversation and could make debaters more likely to work with each other to find a solution instead of getting defensive. Understanding the intentions of each individual from the beginning would also help me as a viewer understand their reasonings better. Lack of this common goal brought a lot of context switching which surely got a lot of brain fuel from them. Maybe breaks (hours or even a day) could also help regarding this in order to keep system 2 running for them and not have to deal with system 1's not-beneficial responses. Despite my constructive feedback, it is very nice to watch such conversations and debates and I learned a lot from how you let this one unfold!

Nightmare blunt rotation

@87rish

Ай бұрын

LOL

@hexchad765

Ай бұрын

So true

@m0nZt3r

Ай бұрын

xDDD

@LigetiVoy

Ай бұрын

Without finkelstein it might be a fun blunt rotation lol

@bp_mufasa8799

Ай бұрын

😂😂😂

Can we have a reupload of this debate but having a 5 hour long shot of Lex to see his facial reactions during the debate?

@KontenderTV

Ай бұрын

Lex doesn't have facial expressions lol first time here?

@RomOzer

Ай бұрын

Willing to pay for it 😂😂

@rwmack3523

Ай бұрын

I'd subscribe to a patron for that cut. It'd be like watching the saddest, slowest tennis match ever, but I'd watch with buttered popcorn and a coke.

@ryo92254

Ай бұрын

No expressions from hitman 47

@calvinpafford

Ай бұрын

😐😐😐😐😐

Sat through that in one 5 hour session. Forget the short selective clips. It doesn't give it justice. Great debate.

shout out to my homies who not only watched the whole debate but did so at normal speed

@davidmelamed2774

Ай бұрын

I'm afraid you're in league of your own if you didnt keep on switching speeds depending on who was speaking.

@DavidVenegas-rq2cy

Ай бұрын

​@@davidmelamed2774nah you need the whole range. It cant all be the same. It's like different textures on a sandwich.

@Ian-ky5hf

Ай бұрын

@@davidmelamed2774No he’s not.

@Ian-ky5hf

Ай бұрын

I think it best normal speed all the way.

@priestholmes8931

Ай бұрын

it is a perfect video for someone trying to build a mega city on city skylines@@davidmelamed2774

Destiny: “My name is Steven Bonnell” Norm: “Mr. Potato Head”

@christinedebrieu2012

Ай бұрын

I love !

@KilamSabba

Ай бұрын

LOL, good one!

@Umuma871

Ай бұрын

😂

@hippykiller2775

26 күн бұрын

THIS! This is what happened! "I am not saving space for this things name..."

@kathrynmoore2370

13 күн бұрын

😂

Thank You for this lengthy, expansive debate/ discussion. Very illuminating.

3:26:35 idk why but this moment of Benny saying "You do talk quickly, you know?" to Destiny is so cute lol

Debates are so much better without watchers clapping every two minutes.

@anthonyhewitt9397

Ай бұрын

Makes for a very bias debate. Couldn't agree more a live audience almost always ruins a debate. If most of the audience is on one side they will exaggerate the points made by the one side even if the point isn't very valid

The only thing I learned from this debate is that Norm can talk fast if hes adequately motivated to do so

@raincadeify

Ай бұрын

Lol. I noticed that too. Go Norm!

@grandekristian

Ай бұрын

Slow or fast it's nonsense in any case

@mintviper5213

Ай бұрын

Norm can only talk fast on two occasions, ad hominem attacks or when he is speaking over someone else 😂

@Diego-zz1df

Ай бұрын

But he likes to take his time when explaining Mr. Pirelli's imbecility.

@johntheidiot9046

Ай бұрын

​@@mintviper5213 no wonder he talked so fast, so often

Sleep paralysis; it is like an emotional checkmate I feel listening to these gentlemen debating their perspectives on what has to be one of the most complex and complicated subjects on the planet, all the while speaking past each other, being unable and at times unwilling to sympathize/empathize with their interlocutor(s).

Hey Lex. I admire the work you do/your podcast a lot. I thought it would be super interesting to see this redone but instead of being framed as a debate which implies side has to win, having it framed as a conversation or negotiation where both sides try to agree on whatever topics they can.

Lex: “hypothetically we find a peaceful solution, how do we get there?” The room: *20 minutes of screeching*

@samidavidkarl

Ай бұрын

Meine Damen und Herren, Bürger und Bürgerinnen dieser Erde. An die 2 Völker palestina und Israel. verehrte Mitglieder der internationalen Gemeinschaft, sowie Vertreter der israelischen Regierung, es ist an der Zeit, nicht nur Worte zu sprechen, sondern Taten zu zeigen. Es ist an der Zeit, dass das israelische Volk und seine Regierung den Charakter zeigen, der sie auszeichnet: einen Charakter von Menschlichkeit, Gerechtigkeit und Versöhnung. In einer Zeit, in der wir nach so vielen Jahren der Unterdrückung und des Leids stehen, ist es an der Zeit, dass wir uns der Vergangenheit stellen und die Zukunft gemeinsam gestalten. **Erklärung der Initiative:** Einführung eines alle Regierungen zum Schutz des vom Notstand betroffenen Volk verpflichtet. Wenn wir etwas aus dem Holocaust gelernt haben sollten. Ist es, das damals das jüdisch Volk auf die internationale Gemeinschaft angewiesen war. Einmischung von Aussen auf Hitlers Genozid. Wardie einzige Chance war dem blinden Hass und der entmenschlichung einhalt zu gebieten. Und das aus Vernunft. Aus Pflicht. Und um die 'VÖLKERVIELFALT dem interesse des einzelnen Volkes entgegenzustellen. Ein Staat gegen VÖLKERVIELFALT ist ein unrechtmässiger Staat. nationaler rassentheorien unterworfen. Initiative Notstand Palstina Die Initiative zur vorübergehenden Rechtssicherung der palästinensischen Interessen und Bi but v Menschenrechte vor der internationalen Gemeinschaft ist ein Schritt, der unmissverständlich klarstellt, dass das palästinensische Volk Anspruch auf eine politische Vertretung hat, die ihre Rechte in vollem Umfang wahrnehmen und verteidigen kann. Es geht hier um mehr als nur Prinzipien; es geht um die Wiederherstellung der Würde und Gerechtigkeit für jeden einzelnen Palästinenser. **Argumentation gegen eine Zwei-Staaten-Lösung:** Die Propagierung einer Zwei-Staaten-Lösung ist eine Beleidigung für jeden Palästinenser und Israeli gleichermaßen. Eine solche Lösung würde lediglich die Mauern des Gefängnisses verschieben, ohne die grundlegenden Ungerechtigkeiten zu beseitigen. Jeder Palästinenser verdient genau die gleichen Rechte und Sicherheiten wie ein Israeli, einschließlich eines israelischen Passes und eines effektiven Schutzes seiner Interessen vor Gericht. **Darlegung der Grundrechte:** 1. **Menschenwürde und Schutz vor Diskriminierung:** Jeder einzelne Palästinenser verdient Respekt und Würde, frei von Diskriminierung und Unterdrückung. Die Vergangenheit hat gezeigt, dass diese Würde oft verletzt wurde, doch es ist an der Zeit, sie wiederherzustellen. 2. **Recht auf Freiheit und Gleichheit:** In einer Zwei-Staaten-Lösung wäre die Gleichheit nicht gegeben, da die ökonomischen und sozialen Disparitäten weiter bestehen würden. Jeder Palästinenser sollte die gleichen Chancen und Freiheiten genießen wie ein Israeli. 3. **Recht auf körperliche Unversehrtheit und Sicherheit:** Die Sicherheit der Palästinenser kann nur durch eine umfassende Lösung gewährleistet werden, die ihre volle Integration und Gleichberechtigung gewährleistet. Eine Zwei-Staaten-Lösung würde diese Sicherheit nicht garantieren. 4. **Schutz der Familie und Recht auf Versammlungsfreiheit:** Die Familien der Palästinenser verdienen Schutz vor Gewalt und Repression, sowie das Recht, sich frei zu versammeln und politisch zu organisieren. 5. **Recht auf gleiche Chancen und wirtschaftliche Stabilität:** Eine Zwei-Staaten-Lösung würde keine gerechten Chancen für die palästinensische Bevölkerung schaffen, sondern sie weiterhin benachteiligen. Jeder Palästinenser verdient die gleichen wirtschaftlichen Möglichkeiten wie ein Israeli. **Schlussfolgerung:** Es ist an der Zeit, dass wir uns gemeinsam der Vergangenheit stellen und die Fehler der Geschichte korrigieren. Es ist an der Zeit, dass das israelische Volk und seine Regierung zeigen, dass sie ein Volk von Menschlichkeit und Gerechtigkeit sind. Eine Zwei-Staaten-Lösung ist keine Option mehr, sondern eine gerechte und umfassende Lösung, die die Rechte und Würde jedes einzelnen Palästinensers respektiert und schützt. Lasst uns gemeinsam diesen Weg der Versöhnung und des Friedens gehen, denn nur gemeinsam können wir eine Zukunft gestalten, die auf den Prinzipien von Gerechtigkeit, Gleichheit und Menschlichkeit basiert. Damals entschied sich eine Familie nicht gegen Israel in den Krieg zu ziehen sondern sich im neugegründeten Staat Israel niederzulassen und mit den Israelis in Frieden zu leben. Nach der Zeit unter dem Briten sahen sie trotz aller Gefahren auch eine Chance. Diese Chance besteht bis zum heutigen Tag. Wir können bekämpfen oder ergänzen. Hassen oder Lieben. Wollen wir uns auf ewig bekriegen oder ewigen Frieden. Als Abu Gosh haben wir die Pflicht darauf hinzuweisen das unserer Völker ein Volk. Unsere Blüter ein Blut. Und unsere Götter sind der eine Gott und es gibt keinen Gottes ausser Gott. Versöhnung. Vergebung Wiedervereinigung. Wiedergutmachung. Integration. Das sie die Wörter die wir lieben als Geschöpfe des Schöpfers. Annnerkennung für Annnerkennung. Jeder palestinänser und jeder Jude dieser Erde. Haben das Recht den Staat Israel anzuerkennen und sich im Staat Israel niederzulassen. Gemeinsam sind wir der Beweis das es einen Gott gibt. Getrennt.. Beschämend wir die Welt, Gott und uns selbst. Und können immer mit dem Finger auf den anderen zeigen. Anerkennung für Anerkennung jeder präsenzer soll für sich selber entscheiden und wenn er sich dazu entscheidet den israelischen Staat anzuerkennen dann soll der israelische Staat ihm im Gegenzug israelische Staatsbürgerschaft geben und alle Rechte die dazu gehören und ihm in Israel willkommen heißen als Bruder. Lässt uns den Grundstein zur größten Bruderschaft setzen die je auf Erden gewandelt ist. Den Eck Pfeiler. Di 27.februar 2024 Sami David Karl Abu Gosh

@gigachud35

Ай бұрын

Lex is a hippie wearing a suit, the point is u can't

@Ed-zp2xo

Ай бұрын

Lex's unwillingness to see reality because of his forced optimism is a little tiresome sometimes. I listened to his interview with Mohammad El-Kurd today and he was willfully ignoring El-Kurd's position constantly because he wanted to hear him give a Palestinian rendition of "I have a dream" while there are settlers in his mother's garden

“With all due respect, you’re such a fantastic moron” is a delightful new entry into my brain.

@dadrapperwillsmith4938

Ай бұрын

He's so catty

@EricG-bv2ui

Ай бұрын

used it on my coworker...... he thought I was joking.

@calebwilliams586

Ай бұрын

​@@EricG-bv2ui if you weren't, then you're likely an ass

@xxamyyyox

Ай бұрын

The most embarrassing part is when destiny defends what he cant lol the spokespeople admitted to genocide and their intent to genocide with their own mouths during public speeches. Just yesterdays news more UN workers dead after handing out water yes I’m sure it was an accident.

@daveveloz

Ай бұрын

Ad Hominem arguments are always a show of a winning side.

FIRE DEBATE 🔥🔥🔥 well done Lex 🙌👏👏 …seriously amazing work here man 💪👊💯

Lex. Excellent format. Excellent speakers. Excellent moderator. Keep em comin!

@rayhoodoo847

5 күн бұрын

Not sure about the Excellet moderator. Whatever you believe, you gotto admit that at times Destiniy couldn't answer Norm's questions, nor ask something in return without being talked over or called a moron.

Norm: What's your name? Destiny: Steven Bonnell. Norm: Thank you, Mr Babadook

@JD..........

Ай бұрын

Guy doesn't even know the names of his opponents walking into a formal debate?? Total lack of respect.

@Srfs777

Ай бұрын

@@JD..........no, only ones with beta male names. Bonelli? What are you? A pasta?

@Beissi-nb9hi

Ай бұрын

how do you consider yourself? how would you matchup in the debate? Watch you words, kid.@@Srfs777

@Trutheynesky

Ай бұрын

@@Beissi-nb9hi easy there noodles , can’t punch through a message board.

@kmaggs7804

Ай бұрын

​@@TrutheyneskyBrilliant! Has a de nero feel to it!😂

This made me nostalgic for Thanksgiving dinner

@69Fabulosity

Ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@janetfox-petersen2790

Ай бұрын

😂 thanks for bringing in humor among such tough stuff.

@ave3087

20 күн бұрын

@@janetfox-petersen2790 It’s really not that funny. Especially not for the natives of the land🤷🏽‍♂️

According to the National Center for Voice and Speech, the average English speaker in the United States speaks at a rate of around 150 words per minute (wpm). However, most people speak at a rate of around 110-150 wpm in normal conversation. A fast speaker will speak at 170 words per minute, while a slow speaker will speak at 110 words per minute. Timed 3 different sections of Norm talking (not reading), he averaged right at 100 wpm.

@diddlefiggins6557

2 күн бұрын

His voice gives me anxiety

"Mr. Harry Vermicelli did you throw your name into the Goblet of Fire" Finkelstein said calmly

@charlesdartagnan8788

Ай бұрын

i'm wheezing

@charliedagracseh6093

Ай бұрын

lmao, nailed it, who recast wise/calm Finkelstein with this angry old dude?

@DrunkenWhisp

Ай бұрын

Maaaan, cuuudos, cuuuuuudos :)

@pepittebarbosa

27 күн бұрын

😂😂😂

@kathrynmoore2370

13 күн бұрын

😂

Destiny: *breaths* Norm: Mr. Cannoli PLEASE

@axaeyexus

Ай бұрын

😂

@ogzombieblunt4626

Ай бұрын

*Palpatine force powers* ✋️

@d4mterro320

Ай бұрын

yeah, Norm is a loser with no knowledge 😂

@Limud123

Ай бұрын

Lol

@RadicalSoup

Ай бұрын

Same.

Something was definitely edited out at 1:07:16. I want to know why

@reigningwhiskey

11 күн бұрын

4:27:16 seems the same here too.

Marvellous, thanks for posting and giving so much time to this subject. The single most informative discussion that I've come across. Not sure what Steven Bonnell added to things though. I'm with Norm.

⏱Timestamps for this video! 2:37 - Purpose of the Debate 5:04 - Discussion on 1948 16:50 - Arab rejection of partition and launch of war 21:27 - Historical significance of 1948 37:05 - Discussion on the Arab resistance to Zionism 41:09 - Analysis of expulsion and transfer policies 49:11 - Analysis of transfer in Zionist ideology 56:09 - Impact of Zionism on Israel's development 1:00:56 - Herzl's Vision for a Liberal Democratic Jewish State 1:03:36 - Palestinian Rejection of the Partition Resolution 1:14:05 - Zionism and the Minority 1:16:36 - Population Expulsion and War 1:29:16 - Security and Rights for Both Communities 1:35:00 - Forced Immigration and Exchange of Populations 1:38:41 - Examining the history of Jewish-Arab relations 1:46:17 - Addressing claims of apartheid and Palestinian responsibility 1:53:44 - Benny's changing opinions 1:54:41 - British policy in Palestine 2:05:22 - Blame on countries for not accepting Jewish refugees 2:08:05 - Discussion on Hamas actions and ideology 2:21:00 - Morality of Palestinian resistance 2:25:13 - Demand for condemnation in conflicts 2:29:22 - International condemnation and support 2:31:27 - Double standards in portrayal of conflicts 2:42:16 - False equivalency of military actions 2:48:34 - UN findings on civilian targeting 2:50:15 - Policy of killing civilians 2:56:40 - Strike cells and civilian casualties 3:00:04 - Political Constraints and Nuclear Weapons 3:01:16 - Genocide Allegations in Gaza 3:12:24 - President Isaac Herzog's Statement 3:16:09 - South Africa's Case and Expertise 3:24:31 - Atrocities in the '48 war 3:28:17 - Historical peace negotiations 3:34:53 - Missed Opportunity for Peace 3:36:04 - Feasibility of Two-State Settlement 3:49:00 - 2000-2001 Negotiations Overview 3:50:12 - Israeli Proposals and International Law 4:02:39 - Debate on the Meaning of Palestinian Recognition 4:08:02 - Historical Debate on Palestinian Acceptance of Two-State Solution 4:14:48 - Need for strong Palestinian leadership 4:18:13 - Inadmissibility of territorial acquisition by force 4:24:26 - Lack of good faith in negotiations 4:25:20 - Israel's refusal to concede Palestinian rights 4:35:02 - Bleak Situation 4:39:02 - Humanitarian Crisis 4:46:16 - Discussion on Apartheid 4:47:02 - Treadmill of Euphemisms 4:55:26 - Discussion on the movie "Battleship Potemkin" or "Mother 4:56:21 - Importance of writing the truth about historical events 🧙‍♂✨ Generated with Houdini Chrome extension.

@OBZ

Ай бұрын

Nobody cares about these timestamps. We only want timestamps of every time Finkelstein tries to say Destiny's name. EDIT: To those complaining, this is pure sarcasm.

@SofaKingShit

Ай бұрын

​@@OBZ I'm sorry what was your name again, was it Density?

@ourfatherinthegreen4065

Ай бұрын

ty

@cosmictuxedo

Ай бұрын

​​@@OBZ People who care about the content, appreciate the timestamps, you simpleton.

@OBZ

Ай бұрын

@@cosmictuxedo lol relax, I'm being sarcastic

Destiny thinks the faster he talks, the less the other educated members of the debate will catch on to the fact that he's not well read or prepared.

@Artixou

Күн бұрын

he destroyed finkel

Whenever lex speaks in the opening of an episode it feels like listening to a video recording of some guy from the future warning us about some catastrophe that is about to happen for the ones in the present

"Your such a fantastic moron" with his accent made me laugh pretty hard lmaoo

@6laccdemarco

Ай бұрын

“Mr.Burelli I’m gonna ask you again to stop displaying your imbecility.” got me. Norm might be wrong on the facts but his insult game is amazing.

@Soul_underground

Ай бұрын

"You are the peak of imbecility" , i was dying

@looc546

Ай бұрын

@@6laccdemarcowhich facts? name 2

@Soul_underground

Ай бұрын

@@looc546 Theyre tryin so hard to spin this disaster, but its too late, we all seen it happen.

@Killer1260

Ай бұрын

I just wrote a long reply, there are so many things Finkelsteib gets wrong it’s crazy. Did you actually watch the video?

Lex: "what gives you hope" Norm Finkelstein: ‘"There is no hope, no" Lex: *GASP*

@hassanabuabed9563

Ай бұрын

4:33:52

@Hchris101

Ай бұрын

Jee whiz

@goodfella2000

Ай бұрын

Lex’s can’t go deep and this shows his naivety. He thinks a dialogue with adversaries, will solve all major issues with humanity. Lex, if you care, then give your opinion on the matter! I would love to hear it after bringing in many guests from both sides and if you actually paid any attention.

@Gumbyfromjacksonville

Ай бұрын

Lex seems to think that every conflict is just a huge misunderstanding and a few kind words will have everyone singing kumbaya by the end

@glex310

Ай бұрын

he is a very positive character, isn’t he?

Finkelstein trying to tell Benny Morris what Benny meant in his own book was wild

Imagine calling the International Court of Justice "some court".

"I choose my words very carefully, Mr. Borelli"

@philodox7599

Ай бұрын

this comment needs more thumbs up

@Fuckingboredrn

Ай бұрын

Watch what you say about the acclaimed scholar finkletwinkle

@filthycasual6619

Ай бұрын

Here i fixed it I. Choose. My. Words. . Very. Carefully Mr Banell

@SgtHawk13

Ай бұрын

Glad that this podcast showcases how much a nut job finklestein is…. Jesus look into him… He even harassed his neighbours !! He is mentally unwell

@hamzamahmood9565

Ай бұрын

Destiny should've called him Mr twinkle star

Just grateful someone is hosting long form debates. So sick of 5 minute snippets

@IjsBlice

Ай бұрын

We need more channels like this top notch quality content and free speech

@GK-qc5ry

Ай бұрын

I just don't know what we get from it? A consensus? A solution? Both sides are sticking to their views and haven't changed. It's a debate for the sake of it.

@Tiasung

Ай бұрын

@@GK-qc5ryIt gives a good reflection of where the conflict is at.

@MichaelBurkhalter

Ай бұрын

@@GK-qc5ryYou’re supposed to draw your own conclusions and see the good and bad in their argument. It’s a small snippet in your own research

@Imperial_Squid

Ай бұрын

@@GK-qc5ryThe point of debates like this is not to persuade the other person, it's to persuade the audience that follow them. Neither side was ever going to convince the other that they're wrong, especially not in a public debate where reputation matters, but at the very least they can introduce ideas to the people who watch the other side

People don’t want the truth. They want entertainment, name calling, and feeling like their side body slammed the other irrespective of their facts. Human emotion comes before facts, and these comments highlighting the pure bullshit is evidence of that. And it’s a sad reality, because this is why we won’t have peace between these people.

@johnvlahos5299

4 күн бұрын

You just described 99.99% of human history

“I will even answer moron’s question” has me in tears every time 😂 2:46:07

15 hours later, I was able to get through this 5 hour debate

@CatsFerDays

Ай бұрын

Same 😂😂

@Th4DeuSs

Ай бұрын

yup

@Marquettinesss

Ай бұрын

I’m still working on it 😅 only 1.5 hrs in a n 7 hr period

@mznxbcv12345

Ай бұрын

" The first time the phrase “human animal” was recorded in history was by himmaliar, in The Posen speech to SS officers (6 October 1943) - On the 7th, it is crucial to understand that there were no direct attacks on civilians, only collateral damage. Out of the 1148 total names on haaret dataset, 473 military and 675 were civilians. Ratio of civilians to military personnel killed on the 7th was 1 . 4 : 1 - lower than any of the iTf "mowing" operations, which has a ratio of 7 : 1 According to UN OCHA data from 2008 to 2022; The collateral damage on the 7th was significantly lower than any of the ITf "mowing" operations, which had a ratio of 7:1 with 1,023 military personnel out of 6,541 total. On the 7th, with 473 military (418 were iTf military personnel, 55 belonged to the police) out of 1148 total, the ratio of civilians to military personnel was a mere 1.4:1 When including all casualties, not just deaths, the collateral damage ratio of the "mowing" operations is a staggering 162:1 From the 161,233 accumulated civilian casualties over only 14 years of "mowing" operations. A 162 :1 ratio means that for every 162 civilians, 1 military personnel is a casualty. The 7th had a ratio of 1.4:1, more than a hundred times lower. The 473 are - 55 soldiers, 13 privates, 59 corporals, 200 sergeants (45 of whom were sergeant majors), 48 commanders, 32 lieutenants, 5 lieutenant colonels, 6 colonels, 37 officers, 10 inspectors, 6 intendants, and 2 Lance Corp. This was a military defeat, and they are taking it out on the rest. The reported ages of the victims are as follows: 0-4: 2 civilians 5-12: 8 civilians 13-17: 14 civilians 18-25: 132 civilians 26-40: 119 civilians 41-60: 55 civilians 61+: 40 civilians Active duty military personnel: 18-25: 258 active duty military personnel 26-40: 60 active duty military personnel 41-60: 17 active duty military personnel 61+: 1 active duty military personnel haaretz datasheet titled title: xsraxl's Dead: The Names of Those Killed in Hxmxs Attacks, Mxssxcres and the xsrxel-Hxmxs Wxr There is a more detailed report of of oct 7th titled "I scrapped the information about 1096 of the 1460 killed on 7th of October Attack. Children Less than 1%"

@indianajones4794

Ай бұрын

@@mznxbcv12345what are you yappin abt bro

Unfair that Mr. Burnelli was allowed to bring his machine to this debate

@richardfraser7024

Ай бұрын

Haha... Finkelstein had his abacus 🧮

@TheTMKF

Ай бұрын

Finkelstein has never owned a cell phone. So that's where that's coming from. His Twitter was set up by students, and he basically writes down statements that they tweet on his behalf.

@Ookalaable

Ай бұрын

@@TheTMKF incredible that a renowned "historian" on the topic is rattled by an ipad XD really tells you a lot

@julie-mt2xr

Ай бұрын

​@@Ookalaable if by rattled you mean confused by destiny's lack of rebuttal to the actual substance being discussed and continually bringing up reddit talking points that no one in this room ever mentioned, then yes he was rattled af.

@chasmurphy1227

Ай бұрын

@@julie-mt2xr"reddit talking points"

I just love how mouin is explaining to destiny like he’s a 5 year old at 4:02:00

@Offa7a

17 күн бұрын

😂

@itryesitr8053

14 күн бұрын

mouin is a hack

@diddlefiggins6557

2 күн бұрын

3:53:53 “I listened patiently to you” (After crying and yelling every time destiny pushed for an answer on any question)

Fireworks starting at around the 2:00:00 point. Good timing, Lex.

@diddlefiggins6557

2 күн бұрын

3:53:53 “I listened patiently to you” (After crying and yelling every time destiny pushed for an answer on any question)

Ive never seen so many people excited for a 5 hours debate and i love it

@ProjectileGrommet

Ай бұрын

I think everyone- no matter who you demonize- really is scratching and clawing for anything to latch onto as a mechanism for seeing the horror end

@FaycalOuazine

Ай бұрын

“Israel is a settler colonial project that is nearing its end, as colonial projects reach their final phase become more brutal and ruthless.” ~ Ilan Pape The Jewish Professor “We are witnessing the end of Zionism, which is the most dangerous stage because it fights for survival, very cruel and violent. It is the darest stage in the history of Palestine. But it’s the pre-dawn darkness!” ~ Ilan Pape The Jewish Professor « We cannot understand October 7th without knowing History.» ~ Shlomo Sand (Jewish historian) « Ahmad Yassine, founder of Hamas, was born near Ashkelon, also pushed with his family to Gaza by Israel. To refuse to see that 60% of Gazans came from the places where Israelis now live is to be blind. We cannot understand October 7th without knowing History.» ~ Shlomo Sand (Jewish historian) "The continuation of Israel’s crimes in GAZA and the continued American support with weapons may give a feeling for a moment that evil has triumphed, and that defeating it is impossible, but this is not true and Israel will be defeated and surrender in the end.” ~ The American journalist JT Chapman “The actions of the Palestinian Movement in October 7 are neither a terrorist attack nor an anti-Semitic attack, but an act of armed resistance and an uprising after decades of colonization.” ~ Judith Butler, American philosopher “Hamas will be able to resist Israel for years.” - US intelligence community IC “The war showed how difficult it is to eliminate an organization rooted in the civilian population.” - US intelligence community IC “Distrust of Netanyahu’s ability to govern runs deep among Israelis, We expect large protests demanding his resignation and the formation of a different, more moderate government.” - US intelligence community IC Without shoes and no modern weapons , without tanks and no F16 , without help of the NATO, without mercenaries and under unprecedent siege for more than 75 years , Palestinians are making history on the other hand the genocidaires of I0F have all of the above, and have achieved nothing of their objectives for 5 months in GAZA which is only 2 square meters, I have just understood the meaning of heroism and cowardice too

@mahakasem810

Ай бұрын

​@@ProjectileGrommet If this is the case, they aren't seeing everything for what it is. US is 100% bought by lobbyists is the reality. No way of rationalizing out of that reality.

@hamoda3191

Ай бұрын

​@@ProjectileGrommet Mr destiny said he don't believe Palestinian Gazan kids are kids with Prof, Mark lemot

@aSSGoblin1488

Ай бұрын

bonus content Finklestein got so mad he tried/trying to take other people's children by calling CPS. oh yeah... this is a thing that happened at least two times.

I love how the last segment is 'Hope for the Future' and it ends up being the most vitriolic of the entire interview lmao

@amazin7006

20 күн бұрын

It's a great microcosm of this entire debate. Finklestein having zero substance, throwing out ad homs, and then admitting that he wants more Palestinians to die. It's a perfect encapsulation of his evil mindset.

Lex Friman is a good man, he gives people a voice. Thank Lex...you good people.

My thoughts directly after watching is, what happened to international law? Did it ever actually do anything to stop atrocities like this?

@seamusmcavey3826

19 күн бұрын

if you’re a bad guy.

@afk_hesh

18 күн бұрын

​@seamusmcavey3826 can you give any post WW2 examples?

@secretname4190

17 күн бұрын

lol no

@Napalm6b

9 күн бұрын

Unfortunately, no

"The Palestinians had a role in the holocaust for preventing the British from sending Jewish people"... yet they wouldnt argue that the British, Americans, etc. are culpable in the holocaust for blocking the same thing lol. The lack of coherency due to bias is stunning.

@orion00

Ай бұрын

They wouldn't? How do you know this? Also, the Brits and Americans fighting the Nazis would kind of lead to mixed sentiments. Maybe apply some of that coherency to your own arguments and then maybe you wouldn't be so stunned.

@flowerpower7819

Ай бұрын

​@@orion00Palestinians were indigenous to their land, introducing a people to a land of indigenous people who farmed and own their land is unfair especially if the people who immigrates end up throwing Palestinians out of their own home, Mohammed Hadid's mother being an example amongst many. why didn't Germany make reparations and give the Jewish people at the time a piece of their land, also why didn't America offer their land or Britain...what Britain decided undermined the Palestinians greatly.

@vikareus3500

Ай бұрын

@orion00 lol because they discussed it? Morris flippantly conceded that maybe they could be indirectly as well when pressed, but only because he had no counterpoint to the reasoning presented to him. Before he was pressed, he was weaseling around it with "they weren't keen to take in Jews at the time." Meanwhile, he explicitly expressed intent to place heavy indirect weight for the holocaust on Palestinians. I don't know where you've found "mixed feelings" on the topic. I've never heard anyone who's pro-Israel in a debate EVER cite how the United States government and businesses were involved in the rise of Nazi Germany, nor how directly involved in the holocaust United States businesses were, as they make accusations at Palestine for being contributors by any conceivable means to the holocaust. There's a huge double-standard there, and kudos to you for also forwarding that as "coherency". Perhaps watch the debate before emotionally reacting to a comment.

@orion00

Ай бұрын

@flowerpower7819 Sure, I'll grant you that kicking out Palestinians from their land was a legitimate grievance at the time. This is the reality of the time, not just there but in many other places as well. Ex - India/Pakistan. The jews can also claim indigenous ties to the land btw. It just depends where in history you choose to draw the start line. As for Germany giving up a piece of their land - why would Jews want it? You want the people who were systematically exterminated to now live next to the people who did the extermination? Lol. The Jews had historic/religious ties to that specific region of the world. Why would they want to move to some random area?

@orion00

Ай бұрын

@vikareus3500 So did he not agree that the British and Americans played a role or did he concede that they did because the two contradictory statements are incoherent. Also, they laid blame on al-Husseini who was the leader of the Palestinian Arabs at the time, who actively sought an alliance with Hitler, reportedly visited concentration camps, recruited for the Nazis and actively blocked jews leaving Germany knowing they were being put in said camps. One would think that's a little more serious. Maybe you should actually read history and try and understand the opposing arguments before opining on them with half baked responses.

"Captain Corelli, it's just so embarrassing! At least have some humility! Between us, we've read maybe 10000 books on the topic and you've played 1 mandolin!"

@rcornia

Ай бұрын

one of my favorite comments on here so far. Classic!

@Arthur-fz5dw

Ай бұрын

Arguments of authority are fallacious. Don’t fall for it.

@getme.global

Ай бұрын

@@Arthur-fz5dwI totally agree, I am a neutral person to this conflict, i was interested to get a deeper understanding to this conflict. I felt Destiny answered adequate questions. And Norman was just on a deep rant about contemporary society. It feels like he loves to be in a castle up high in the sky. Where only the him called smartest people are allowed who have official degrees. It really speaks to his very narrow mind set of not accepting that people have other ways to reach enlightenment.

@muzzymikeonthemic9359

Ай бұрын

@@Arthur-fz5dw I’d take an actual qualified surgeon’s word on surgeries over anybody else, because of their authority, any day of the week.

@Arthur-fz5dw

Ай бұрын

@@muzzymikeonthemic9359 well, good for you but just so you know, this makes you a gullible person, easy to manipulate, and unable to think rationally, critically and independently 🤷‍♂️

Thanks for getting this done, Lex. One comment, your jacket may be too small. 😊

That big at 3hrs30 when they have a break, then they chat about the archives…it’s the most human moment ever ❤

Mr Norm is a brave honest man and has all the principles in the world and the respect of all Humanity

This is Jerry springer for people who went to college

@hassanjaved4091

Ай бұрын

hahahahh true

@zonk3835

Ай бұрын

Dude! Seriously the best description of this video I have ever read!!!

@JC35257

Ай бұрын

And that audience actually has the knowledge to know these four men are a joke among intellectuals.... not just that Destiny guy.

@BauerBeauty

Ай бұрын

LMFAO

@anFy81

Ай бұрын

very accurate

Thank god finklestein got angry. Otherwise, this would've been an 8 hour podcast.

@lilrawri8446

Ай бұрын

Actually hilarious how he tried to dismiss destiny, then proceeded to get so slapped around that he lost all composure and lex had to tell him to reel it in. He called destiny a lightweight and then got destroyed by him. Humiliating

@hellverlaine

Ай бұрын

@@lilrawri8446😂

@R2d2..

Ай бұрын

@@lilrawri8446 real 😭

@R2d2..

Ай бұрын

@@lilrawri8446 honestly embarrassing

@619victor

Ай бұрын

​@@lilrawri8446"destroyed" 😂 you Destiny fans live in an alternate reality.

I applaud the intentions behind these types of debates but personally I don't feel like we're going to make much progress until we figure out how to address some of the more fundamental issues we're having as human beings that keep us from seeing the bigger picture and rising out of this endless pit of division and right versus wrong

I dislike the way Benny Morris keeps interrupting and talking over Mouin Rabbani. Kudos to Mouin Rabbani for keeping his composure throughout.

In fairness to Norman , i think when he found out he was going to be debating somone called destiny, He simply lost all respect for Mr botachelli

@MrNeosantana

27 күн бұрын

Notice how much respect he has for Benny Morris (despite him despising his political and personal beliefs) and how little respect he has for Destiny. Inviting thay moron of a streamer on was a massive mistake.

@hamzamahmood9565

24 күн бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂

@robertorolfo

23 күн бұрын

Only because Norman is a completely clown. Actually, he is a despicable piece of garbage.

@amazin7006

20 күн бұрын

You're acting exactly like you did in this debate lmao, you throw out insults in lieu of substance. Why are you so afraid of simply discussing the topic

@k4yser

18 күн бұрын

He was hust disappointed when he found out that Destiny wasn't a young hot female stripper.

Norm: What's your name? Destiny: Steven Bonell Norm: thanks Mr. 手口女大金土田

@DeadSmoke813

Ай бұрын

Hahaha

@CivilizationInNation

Ай бұрын

Finkelstein knows how to read but Destiny knows how to think.

@defaulttmc

Ай бұрын

​@@CivilizationInNationDestiny knows how to jibber at warp speed to compensate for his piss puddle shallownwss of thought.

@CivilizationInNation

Ай бұрын

@@defaulttmc Norm actually had no answers to Destiny's great questions, instead he chose to attack Destiny's common sense, not professional.

@Armchair_Asshole

Ай бұрын

​@@CivilizationInNation"Destiny" asked inane, ignorant, loaded questions. He's a nasal, limp-wristed effeminate who should stick to playing games on the internet.

“With all due respect, absolutely a disgrace.” 🤣

How dare they say that Israel never target civilians when it has been documented over decades after decades? All respect to Norm and Rabbani for staying so calm debating with the words of truth. It's crucial to remember: Truths are something you have to fight for. Lies live on their own.

@orlab7745

20 күн бұрын

Well said

@nathanoneiric

19 күн бұрын

"Truths are something you have to fight for." Problem is these days truth is whatever u want it to be, both sides will just take something somebody said at face value if they agree with it. No further research and viola! you get this..

Not gonna lie, Watching this has to be a guilty pleasure.

@djjorge87

Ай бұрын

Yes, watch a destiny, get his a** Owned and barely talk 2 hours and to show that he's such an intellectual fraud absolutely a guilty pleasure.

@fighamletjustin

Ай бұрын

What commendable honesty

@atgmufc2224

Ай бұрын

The intellectual personal insults were a highlight for me as well 💀😂😂

@alexashleigh8787

5 күн бұрын

For sure. This is like the intellectual’s drama show

When you try to call someone out in a debate and they just hit you with the Finkelstare

@leevy6753

Ай бұрын

I started watching this 20 minutes ago....I'm still listening to Finklesteins opening remark. Haha. Jk.

@user-ro3fp3nz3o

Ай бұрын

@@leevy6753you’re not kidding tho lmao

@R2d2..

Ай бұрын

Or his rate of speaking.. just as slow as his points 💀

@leevy6753

Ай бұрын

@R2d2.. His points are pretty solid. Most people who disagree with him do so based on his speaking against Isreal, and not because he is necessarily wrong.

@raptango_na6199

Ай бұрын

There's something wrong with him

We need a part 2 asap maybe go more in depth of modern times

Almost 60 000 comments!! This is what a dialectic debate looks like. Lex Fridman keep it up. !!!!!

Norm: "what is your name?" Steven: "Steven bonell" Norm: "Ok Mr Gomez"

@MindForgedManacle

Ай бұрын

"Mr. Bordello"

@rivalspartan9254

Ай бұрын

Lol

@papimbhele2997

Ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@damiandossantos5077

Ай бұрын

"is that Steven Bonnell with a B?"

@kristiansandsmark2048

Ай бұрын

Okay MR: Twinkelsteen