Next video we will show you the power of the SS+ squad Feel free to discuss what you think about character placements!

@frenchfrywaffle7082

9 ай бұрын

Don't forget the trolling squad and kicked trio

@joe____

9 ай бұрын

I love the SS!!!

@Gotfyr

8 ай бұрын

Watch as they die 4 times in a row and dont even make it to a final boss

@Emarickle

7 ай бұрын

All I have to say is that you messed up on the SS+ tier. WHY👏IS👏TAINTED EVE👏NOT👏IN👏SS+ TIER👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 She literally can *OBLITERATE* bosses if you can use her correctly, her synergies with her clots are *INSANE* and she has a better Wh*re of Babylon state. It is your opinions but I’m just saying she is an SS+ tier character bc she is already broken without even needing to rig!

@Emarickle

7 ай бұрын

also love your content!

Tainted Isaac is gonna be the ultimate support character.

@qwart22

9 ай бұрын

Tainted Isaac and Isaac is stupid op

@art-cs6us

9 ай бұрын

Or tlost. Albeit no more hp upgrades can be scary for the rest.

@nicholasaugello2534

9 ай бұрын

​@@qwart22dude can donate items to his teammates. No character other than him can just gift his friends items aside from tainted Cain but his trolling potential is just hilarious.

@nicholasaugello2534

9 ай бұрын

​@@art-cs6usrip Judas players

@peanutgamer7638

9 ай бұрын

​@@nicholasaugello2534tainted cain can't make pedestals tho

12:48 for Eve, I do want to say that while she has LOW utility, she doesn't actually have NO utility. she's one of the few characters who can fully exploit red hearts as a resource because Razor takes from red first while ignoring blue, which allows her to pop razor for i-frames and enter curse rooms or open spike chests for free and then collect spare red hearts off the ground. she gets Whore at 1 full red heart, which means she can stay in whore while still keeping a free razor pop queued up for the boss (with bonus bird damage!). also since she's optimal at low red HP, she gets a similar perk to the Lost where she can skip HP ups and give them to allies, and makes her a great devil deal taker she's also a team synergy character, the ability to spend HP makes her jump up when paired with a healer like Maggy or Samson (extra heart spawns counts as healer imo). this inadvertently buffs the healer too, since their utility now counts for more. Samson is an especially good pairing, because if you find a new active item you can pass the Razor to him instead so he can double dip on damage boosts overall, still a low utility character compared to Isaac, Cain, etc, but better than other minimal utility characters like Blue Baby, especially since she's a DPS so ANY utility is a nice bonus above and beyond what she needed. this is also ignoring the elephant in the room Tainted Eve, who basically does all of this but better on top of also being a better DPS

@The-ne9ut

9 ай бұрын

While I agree I see no reason to use her over Samson who has child's heart and gets a direct damage buff from getting hurt

@ResonanceRetroData

9 ай бұрын

​@The-ne9ut true, but then at that point you hit the question of why play ANYONE outside the top 4. You play her because you vibe with the playstyle of managing your HP as a resource and taking active control over your DPS output

I feel like Tainted Forgotten is severely underrated for this. You can make full use out of items like Midas Touch, The Virus, Guillotine, and orbitals, without any of the downsides/drawbacks that they would normally have with any other character. You can take curse rooms for free by throwing the skeleton through the door on the way out, AND you can go through the mirror dimension without even having to use the white fire. That isn't even mentioning the already absurd damage multiplier T. Forgotten gets by default, so you basically have a character with decent utility, crazy good damage/DPS, AND can make use of items that you typically wouldn't be too fond of. Definitely gets an A-tier for me.

@soulfi7734

8 ай бұрын

I were with you until the mirror dimension without white fire, like, who cares 😂😂

@anotherchanneliguess2335

8 ай бұрын

@@soulfi7734 it still guarantees you won't die after 2 consecutive hits in one room, so it has potential as an advantage

@Comomelo

3 ай бұрын

What makes tainted forgotten my favorite character is that you dont get punished for dodging. With other characters, you have to miss bullets or stop shooting entirelly in order to dodge patterns. With tainted forgotten, you get all those benefits you mentioned aswell as the ability to freely focus on dodging with no interference on your attacks. Also E.coli works on the skeleton which is crazy

@anotherchanneliguess2335

3 ай бұрын

@@Comomelo I think TForgotten is genuinely the only character on which you would actively want E. Coli

@Normali_Tea

3 ай бұрын

They’re good… But compared with any other high power character like T.maggy or T. Judas, (not even mentioning t keeper and t Isaac) and they’re not THAT good.

having one person play tainted maggie and one other person play tainted bethany is rlly fun cause t beth can take a bunch of extra hearts for more wisps :3

cant wait to play a game with tainted cain, tainted blue baby, jacob & esau, and tainted eden.

@alphatherandom4866

9 ай бұрын

tbh tainted jacob is the ultimate troll character

@eggshelleggshell

9 ай бұрын

@@alphatherandom4866doesnt Dark Esau chase *only* T.jacob?

@rain_enjoyer320

9 ай бұрын

​@@eggshelleggshellplayed local coop today and can confirm that dark esau cant damage other players and still exists when Jacob dies so perfect for boss killing

@scarthebiglovabledinothing3157

9 ай бұрын

Tainted blue baby is quite literally one of the best but y'all afraid to admit that

@alphatherandom4866

9 ай бұрын

@@eggshelleggshell you can use your anima sola to make dark esau dash into one of the co-op players

There is a redeming factor for blue baby, devil deals only cost 1 soul heart for any character. Also, Tainted Jacob is still followed by esau in ghost baby form im pretty sure

@crap9105

8 ай бұрын

Blue baby also spawns flies from poop!!!

Surprisingly, ppl in online multiplayer are generally really chill and allow t-cain to cook. Still really sad that we cant just look up recipes anymore but t-cain is more of a "useless item to pickup converter" wich in itself is good

alt blue baby is actually INSANE in co-op the creep doesnt make you slip; its just a stat buff that anyone can be on. free bombs is pretty good too but the real kicker is the holy poops. alt blue baby can just hold them above their own head and follow people around giving everyone that buff; and they can carry it between room giving you basically a permanent hallowed ground for at least the floor

lilith can also get twisted pair. not only incubus. if you get twisted pair i'd just put every good item into her

@jamesnelson5434

8 ай бұрын

Plus she doubles familiars

love seeing y'all capitalzlize on this big coming update, super fun vids too

Something you forgot with T. Eden is that it can get one of it's items rerolled into TMTRAINER and at a point where it has too many items to tell.

@ladygeneveve3805

8 ай бұрын

Outside of greed mode, tmtrainer is only available in the secret room pool, so in coop, just dont give any secret room items to her

I believe my boy Keeper could slip into an A. He's probably the best character to abuse sacrifice rooms. If you're concerned about paying devils deals with cash just pair him with Bethany so you can start off with angel rooms.

Grinding out pubs is going to be so fucking hype i cant wait

The laz take is the most insane thing ive ever seen

@void3989

9 ай бұрын

What you mean?

Maggy not being immediately SS+ is crazy also, you guys failed to acknowledge blue baby's powerful ability of being able to spawn blue flies from poops (an ability which extends to _all_ characters, not just him (at least that's how it is in local coop)), which I think makes him C tier, trolling tier _minimum_ I think t. samson is kinda bad for multiplayer specifically since everyone has to work _around him_, like when he goes berserk he's just gonna schmoove and he's not gonna wait for you

@anotherchanneliguess2335

9 ай бұрын

Ngl, their tier list is kinda scuffed putting TBB in bottom tier. The amount of effects his poop mechanic gives is fucking nuts, not to mention that they can all stack. Basically, if the player knows what he's doing, TBB is probably SS+ tier for how much utility he brings

@vehemetipolygoniae2197

6 ай бұрын

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@anotherchanneliguess2335

6 ай бұрын

@@vehemetipolygoniae2197 sorry for taking the time to actually learn a character unlike you lmao

@vehemetipolygoniae2197

6 ай бұрын

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@anotherchanneliguess2335

6 ай бұрын

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kinda crazy how ive been watching this channel for a year, its been so cool watching you grow :3

Cain is legit my favorite character! Being blind in my left eye I resonate with his eye patch plus he is pretty nut!

Cool list, now we need a video of you guys playing winstreak with azazel, t.isaac, t.lost and t.keeper

48:30 also you could throw the skeleton through a door to get to the next room, and since the skeleton can't take damage, you could use the T. Forgoten to get free cursed room

I actually love Apollyon. He absolutely CARRIED me to my first Mother victory. If you use shops, It's actually insane.

I love the constant buzzing in the background

Didn’t mention azazels range is bad but range ups increase the length of his brimstone

hour long lonslo video? god has blessed us

You forgot to mention that tainted isaac can also even trade away his items

@arkkon2740

9 ай бұрын

Thats after getting 8 items, and an item goon might try to yoink all the good items before he even gets a chance

Agree with a lot of the tier list. But the one I disagree with most is weirdly T.Eden. At first I was like "yeah hes a griefer character" but then I thought about it. If you have 4 players and are getting about 4x items. That is 4x as many bad items. Even if you do usually have 1-2 reroll characters. Having T.Eden means you have a dedicated garbage dump. He can literally take every single bad item that no one wants and randomly turn them into an acceptable build. Hes honestly one of the characters that is most improved by being played in a multiplayer environment. Is he suddenly amazing? Not really, but I do think he ends up in b or c tier due to his ability to be a backup reroll. Having an extra isaac is still better in 90% of cases, but Assuming 2-3 rerolls would still end up with *some* bad items makes him decent enough. I'm also curious if his breakfast immunity works in multiplayer.

honestly so hype for online coop

nah you guys completely forgot about blue baby with midas touch generating gold poops almost every room, making him the biggest money maker in issac with one item

I mostly agree but Lazarus should be near bethany in the tierlist honestly 1:free devil deals if you keep your extra life 2:you actually keep some damage when going to the next floor which makes lazarus have amazing damage even with no dmg ups if you use that mechanic well 3:The pill with a character like cain does actually help usually I can kinda see how kinda useless having a laz is but having a strong, extra life makes it one of the most powerful characters You can be either really defensive or really offensive with him too just depending on how good the team is

Time to do videos with everyone picking one character no dupes for each tier. Have a trolling tier video then maybe a c tier then a then ss+ tier. Should have videos where people who have played issac recommend you seeds they’ve had or played you don’t know anything but you have to experience the fun or debauchery. Lol! Awesome video!

Y’all literally brought up issac can troll by rerolling good items and ignored it under the assumption that you’re playing to win, and then turn around and say Apollyon is bad for doing that.

The lost is ss+ for me because if he dies and respawns he cant spawn with 0.5 hearts

Hell yeah tainted löst s tier

I just want to add some to Tainted Eden, I don't know how items pedestal work on multiplayer but I gonna assume it spawn one item for each player, so like 4 players, 4 treasure room items, with that in mind: Tainted Eden has a trick that can be abused, Tainted Eden reroll is not based on the item pool you collect, but the last pool that spawned a item So let's say you go to the treasure room and don't pick any of the items, defeat the boss and get a Devil deal, so what happen now, that 4 items you left on the treasure room, will be rerolled into DEVIL DEALS items, that apply for everything, now let's say you, for some reason decided go to the shop first, you ruined it, now every item you collect will be from the shop pool until a new item spawn You can also use items that spawn other items like the Gift into a secret room, to get secret pool items, making Tainted Eden able to turn trash in actully useful items, here a exempla: Downpoor 2, you got the treasure room, shop, killed first the boss from the mirror world, then killed the boss from the real world and spawned a Devil deal, if the Devil deal spawn any item, all items that you left behide and didn't take, will reroll into devil deal items now, so let's say like this: There was Poly, Friend Zone, Anemic and Abel in treasure room, of course only Poly was taken and the other 3 items were left behide (+3 items) In the shop there was Broken Watch for 7 cents and Poke Go for 15 cents, can buy both but didn't (+1 or +2 items) The mirror boss room had 1 Damage UP, 2 HP UP and boost pack, the team only took the Damage UP and 1 HP UP (+2 items) and finally, the real boss dropped the box, pageant boy and another 1 HP UP and 1 DMG UP, the DMG and HP UP were taken (+2 items) After spawn the Devil deal, pick whatever they could in there, T.Eden was able to take the 3 shit items on treasure room, buy Broken Watch and the boss items Taking damage into a fire place or spike and turning that 8 useless items, into DEVIL DEAL ITEMS! T.Eden by himself could carry the game if feed like that, throw the trash into him, and turn it into either Angel or Devil deal items Just remembe, EXPLORE ALL THE FLOOR FIRST, before going for the boss, all that strategy can be ruined by one random item spawning somewhere else From: Shop Restock, Skull/Vase/Mushroom spawning a item, someone using gift outside of the Devil/Angel/Secret room, Mini Bosses and chests dropping items With that all in mind, Tainted Eden could have so many potential that it DO NOT DESERVE be in Trolling tier, if the run is bad, T.Eden turn trash into Gold and support their team, if the run is good, T.Eden can be supported by their team, I think they atlest deserve a A or S, having 8 devil deals item from floor 2 is no joke -With byass, a Tainted Eden enjoyer

Finally, the master tier list

Only tainted laz player on earth here, tainted laz has a decent bit of utility for if you have the charge getting you 2 Angel room items, 2 treasure room, 2 Devil deal, 2 shop and 2 secret room pedestal items. And with that the 2nd Devil deal and shop item is free even if the other one would cost more coins/hearts. Another tiny quirk he has is in downpour/mines if you pick the mystery item and then he flips the other item will be visible as what it actually is. Which can be good for transformation progress.

I don't know if you brought this up or if it's different in multiplayer, but Tainted Lost also can't find items like Book of Revelations / Satanic Bible, almost all flight items, and then just a bunch of other defensive items as well, like The Swarm or Holy Mantle.

Here's a build Raw strength: T-lilith [whip, and Her synergies] Support: T-isaac [reroll] Backup: T-blue baby [hear me out, the poops can give some crazy temporary buffs when needed]

Really good list for me

YIPEEEE I can’t wait for coop online :>

Every character is T. Jacob

If they add mod compatibility to online play at some point, your gonna have to make a tier list for the modded characters (like Fiend, Golem, Samael, Arachna, current tarnished characters, usually the well made ones)

@anotherchanneliguess2335

9 ай бұрын

I feel like T. Zach's gonna get put in "you're getting kicked" purely for making the game straight up harder for everyone else.

1 HOUR LONSLO VIDEO??

Video fresher than the bread in the shop

if you run the SS+ squad azazel and t-isaac cant get any health because keeper turns soul black and red hearts into flies and t-lost gets rid of hp ups

@Cheshire_Cat137

9 ай бұрын

I think multiplayer will prevent hearts from turning into flies if anyone is a character other than a Keeper. T. Lost removing HP ups is definitely a problem though.

Love the mumkey music

Wait wouldn't tainted lost make it so no health ups, spectral tears flight etc?

note, for eternal D6, its EACH item has a chance to be destroyed, not crooked penny destruction.

We all know the meta will be Tainted Lost, Tainted Cain, Tainted ???, and Keeper

Something silly about Eden, my 3rd eden run (first I got soy holy mantle, second I got sharp straw and the blood baby or whatever) Then, the thirs eden run was the most defensive yet. Psy fly host hat. Then later on the run I got pyro and ipecac AND a blind R key!

Man, would be more happy if you also add the tarnished ones haha

t. keeper with golden mother's kiss is goated

The Forgotten's body can block shots when in soul mode, which can be a good defense against endgame bosses

@creeching

Ай бұрын

this feature makes second phase mega satan a non issue

Ok hear me out, Tainted Eden COULD be a solid b-tier character in the hands of someone not trolling. Any time you get a really crappy item, like mom's razor or lil' portal, give it to them and they'll probably get something better out of it once they get hit, while all of the actually good items get split between the other players. That way, you'll never truly get bad items. You could even have them reroll a bad active item a few times til they get something good out of it.

Btw Xbox has local co op and item rooms only have 1 item and it doesn’t re roll once someone grabs it it’s just gone also it does the 1 item and if picked up rerolls on boss rooms

I played with T. Keeper and if don't play him since the beginning or die you will actually hurt your team because when he dies you will stop getting all his powers so i wouldn't say S tier (example: i die on half the floor, we can't get more coins from enemies, kill boss, i revive, angel item costs 30 cents and we have 14 cents, they have to kill me to get it for free) that's not fun.

great idea for a video :)

In 2 seconds we will find out it was just a big troll

Insert that meme of the kids on the couch discussing

Tainted lost just removes items that are bad for the lost specifically, including extra lives, so i think t lost is a kick character

@crap9105

8 ай бұрын

He also removes quality 0 items, and makes quality 1 and 2 significantly less likely to appear

@ladygeneveve3805

8 ай бұрын

Remember, it pays to double check things before talking about them so you dont spread misinformation and make yourself look dumb

The lost is free curse rooms for the whole team as well.

osrs music got me tripping when i heard this falling asleep

I love how he says apoppalon even tho there is one P

two years and 43.3 k subs after i subbed…time flys

Doesn't flip make it so you can get double items in treasure rooms? I'd say that's pretty unique utility for T. Laz.

fire video

Honestly I woulda looked at great charcuterie synergy as in who works well with who a good one is either Maggie tainted or not alongside tainted eve making inf clots which equals inf dmg. Another set is either of the Keepers set up with any soul/black heart only character or Judas allowing them to maintain their already fragile defenses, though keeper anti synergies with both The Lost variants seeing as they already take devil deals for free. Speaking of The Lost I’d pair him with Judas for early devil deal guarantees for floor 2 and possibly 3 alongside Tainted Isaac to shove items over to Judas if need be. Forgotten I’d say is weak he has limited HP seeing a she can only have bone hearts (skeleton man) then soul/black hearts for The Soul meaning he has perks hp loss from bone heart loss, to fix that I’d pair him with Maggie to help maintain bone hearts for as long as possible. Bethany with any soul/black heart only charcuterie to make angels easier to achieve because angels are free provided you skip floor 2 devil if you got it even making her a pseudo support for them. Obviously unneeded to be said but either Isaac can just help break runs for any character, though he would have the most potential with The lost for free devils to boost the glass canons dmg more and/or Cain due to high luck making beggars easier to pay out and with the possibility of pills leading to 48 hour energy meaning more rerolls which can lead to massive breaks coupled with any method to make more pedestals Via other character carrying said duping items. Jacob and Esau I will defend they have a large amount of utility sure they need double the items but they can also carry double the items (pills/cards, trinkets, and actives) meaning they can help rig the game or even support other players, for example make one a tank/healer and the other all about DPS support or have them carry unwanted items for the twin designated as trash in case a refill of a build is found via genesis or D4 dice/room making a secondary build. To put this into prospective they can on their own carry two reroll utility items D6 and spin down for example for item rigging maximization to boost other charcuterie build or either of their own, or they can have health pills can carry 48 hour energy pills for Isaac the list can go on. Oh and they also help counter the anti item synergy problem with e in g able to spilt items into two functional builds (less useful due to 4 player max but still helpful) which can become strong if used right.

They need to increase cards against humanity drop rate I feel like I haven’t seen it in my games or in you’re videos in forever!

tainted jacob personally is ss+ tier and i always pick him, you can super feed one guy items, and you'll be fine because dark esau still does stupid damage anyways. no dps is required for tainted jacob, only survivability

@F4n8r

5 ай бұрын

no

One thing you missed is that with ??? Devil deals for soul hearts only cost 1.

i cannot believe you dissed my boy tbb

I want the trolling run!

Don't you guys know that Blue Baby got buffed about a year ago? Most of the characters are still much better, but he's not that bad now.

Comp teams in issac gonna go krazy

You guys forgor t.maggy has pocket yum heart as well which moves her up one tier

Blue baby got the flies tho

Pitching my prediction, T. Jacob either A or S. With Dark Esau, Jacob can do a ton of damage to bosses and groups of enemies, and Dark Esau doesn't harm other players. However he can harm Jacob, allowing a pseudo Lost until Jacob dies.

when tainted beth dies her wisps also stay alive with her except they become 100% invulnerable, if she has a bunch of them then she can die and do a ton of contact damage even after dead w/o taking items from other players like t.apollyon also if you have enough wisps to make a considerably sized ring of protection you could probably use a dead tainted beth w/wisps to stand inside another living player to make them damn near invulnerable

While I get tlost removed HP Ups from the pool could be good, I don’t see it good for a Devil focused run, or randoms, since people can get hit pretty hit, or TMaggy. Or missing out on defensive items. Also feel TMaggy should be SS+ because she is mad powerful, being able to tank and hold off enemies, all the while healing up health.

0:34 for utility lost, t-isaac, and t-judas come to mind Lost, free curse rooms T-isaac, free reroll T-judas, free curse rooms/ can delete tears

Very cool I will be only using the worst characters though

based grim fandango music in the background there

Can’t wait for the you’re getting kicked video haha

I'd say ??? is at least C tier, the effects of blue flies extends to everyone on the game, and he has a reduced cost of blue hearts on Devil deals, also you can use his Poop to create bridges if you place a bomb on a 1 by 1 gap, he's not the best, but it has some support utility for sure.

Moosesha bgm caught me offguard

I think that tainted lost Wo would be kind of bad because you get it gets rid of all health and flight items for the rest of the team although it can get rid of bad items it still gets rid of all health ups and flight I would put him in s because if he is with characters with low defence there just gonna die plus he can die really easily and you lose the sacred orb buff (maybe)

@wolfhawk69

9 ай бұрын

Yea but idk

Tainted jacob will definitely be the ultimate troll character

Only thing I'd disagree with is Lazarus. I think he's probably around the middle or top of B tier. Since he has an extra life every floor, he can take devil deals regardless of his health, die, and then come back. Sure, he'll be one one heart now, but he still has an extra life for the next floor.

tainted ??? is a great support class, his shit grenades and the holy shit is good enough for helping out the entire team for helping with crowd control, directly and indirectly from the person playing as T.???

So I'm thinking that if you play as isaac or the lost and try to reroll an item in an item room that it will only reroll your item (assuming there is 4 items in an item room) to prevent trolling and maybe they can make it so you can press a button to make it so your item can be rerolled????? im just spit balling.

looking forward to your Only SS+ and getting kicked/Trolling runs

your pronunciation of apollyon is so funny

the most fun i've had with online co-op was with a tainted cain

this video got a bee stuck in my headphones

t.lost also has more defense cause 3 others players take agro. but can also die from the flame in shop lol t.keeper in opposite has less defense cause others will just take your health by accident t.bethany can pass on items and still being usefull. And if she die with her wisp, she can do insane contact damages + block tears with infinite health wisp . You can also have bad items for everyone.

imo T. Lost would be tricky to work out because he cancels hp items, extra lifes and mantle

When Lazarus dies he keeps some of the stats he gets for reviving like some perma stats

You can really troll with forgotten birthright though

i found the perfect mod "Gothic Maggy"

UH OH! THE METH IS KICKIN IN!