My full conversation with Lomez can be found here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dJaYx7iNj5aogLQ.html

Regarding the title: Of Mexicans? Probably not. Of Xenomorphs? Absolutely.

Theoretically, if the overwhelming majority of a foreign demographic has made it explicitly clear that they hate you, your way of life, your country etc. and refuse to assimilate in any way shape or form, then yes, xenophobia is completely justified. Otherewise, no, cultural enrichment is usually a good thing.

@HeadCrabbyPatty

Ай бұрын

Could it even be called xenophobia? Or just accept anyone as long as they follow the rules. The rules being to not commit criminal acts or agitating someone to commit them against other ethnicities, cultures etc.

@WizardofGargalondese

Ай бұрын

which is only the case for muslims, not hispanic migrants

@catalyst3713

Ай бұрын

@@WizardofGargalondese Yeah but that doesn't mean we need to allow them cut in line illegally.

@WizardofGargalondese

Ай бұрын

@@catalyst3713 never said we do, but there are many who argue that somehow hispanic immigrants (legal or otherwise) represent a fundamental change to the values of our country, which i dont see any evidence of.

@francogiobbimontesanti3826

Ай бұрын

You say the vast majority but I only really see that coming from Muslims mostly and to a certain extent Europeans who feel a sense of superiority to North Americans. Africans , Indian, East Asians, Latinos all assimilate pretty well.

My answer to him would be that he doesn't have to abandon his gut level intuition, all he has to do is recognize that he has many, competing gut level intuitions, not just disgust towards foreigners. He has empathy, too. A sense of justice and fairness. An intuition about harm being bad, and so on. All the centrist has to do is appeal to those other intuitions and implore you to not be single minded about your focus. And this is coming from someone who is probably more anti immigration than anyone in the conversation.

@darth_vdare

Ай бұрын

If you go into things with the assumption that some other emotion is going to win out over the disgust reaction, that's tantamount to abandoning the disgust reaction.

@Google_Censored_Commenter

Ай бұрын

@@darth_vdare It's not going into a thing with an assumption. Emotions and instincts aren't rational constructs like that. You're just flat out wrong that you're abandoning the disgust reaction. When you watch a movie that makes you feel angry at the characters, so angry that you want to punch the screen, are you telling me that unless I allow you to punch the screen, you're abandoning your angry reaction? You're betraying your emotions? That's ridiculous. Just because I ask you to have some emotional control, ie. loosen up and realize you value other things than just anger, like your tv screen, that's not at all tantamount to abandoning what you feel. It sounds to me like you're just desperately trying to cling onto why what you feel is just, and therefore any and all conclusions and actions performed in service of that emotion, must also be just. But that's literally a child's way of thinking. You're better than that.

The problem seems to be that these types of people hate it when they are pre-judged based on their characteristics. Begging the question why they wont accept that them being judged is perfectly justified? There is No issue when someone wants to live their life apart from others, be it a spesific group or the rest of humanity as Long as they dont infringe upon other peoples right to do the same. But here again many xenophobes want their cake and eat it too, they want to be able to exclude themselves from integrating with society, but hate it when other groups do the same. It seems to me that the only thing xenophobes truely hate are other xenophobes from diffrent groups But If one is justified, then all are. And If only you are justified, why bother with philosophy? Just be instinctual. But here too the xenophobes want to both be able to feel their feelings and advocate for others to follow them, rather then trust their own individual gut feelings Its a messy, contradictory "philosophy" to be a xenophobe, it only works of one wants to protect oneself out of fear, but does not want others to be able to do the same

Mono-ethnic societies have siginificantly more social cohesion and build high trust societies. That becomes even more evident looking at the state of European countries.

@dylanburnett7928

Ай бұрын

There is no such thing as a mono-ethnic society. Nations that attempt to make their society "mono-ethnic" will be outcompeted by nations that make the rational choice of allowing immigration.

@leon-jj9dv

Ай бұрын

Ethnic homogeneity is, at best, a correlating factor, but it isn't a determining one. The number of mono-ethnic low trust and socially incohesive societies is far too high to count, and ethnic homogeneity has never been an inherent obstacle in a society building social cohesion and high trust. Greece is the prime example of the former, Singapore the latter. Even the United States had the latter feature until a few decades ago, although with strict exemptions for non-Europeans. The far more important factor is national identity. How many people identify with the nation, and have accepted the national myth? Ethnicity often correlates with national identity, which is why the correlation exists, but ethnicity isn't the inherent bedrock of social cohesion. Compare North Korea to South Korea and try to tell me that the destiny of those nations was determined by ethnic differences.

@yarpenzigrin1893

Ай бұрын

@@leon-jj9dv I agree that there is more to this than ethnicity but ethnicity is a key part of it. USA has never had a multiethnic high trust society. The monoethnic, white neighborhoods, formed cohesive societies.

@leon-jj9dv

Ай бұрын

@@yarpenzigrin1893 “White” isn’t an ethnicity. The American concept of being white is a social construct. A construct which was originally very narrow, exclusive to the British, Dutch and northern Germans. It later expanded to include southern Europeans, Easton Europeans, Jewish people and even some Latinos. “White Americans“ are not an ethnicity, they are a socially constructed identity, and a fluid one at that. Germans are an ethnicity. Poles are an ethnicity. Norwegians are an ethnicity. “White people“ are not.

@yarpenzigrin1893

Ай бұрын

@@leon-jj9dv Yes, in America all European ethnicities became simply "white" and since they shared the same values, beliefs, spoke the same language and looked the same, the result was high social cohesion. Take away any of those ingredients and you lower social cohesion. Norwegians are a nationality, not an ethnicity.

In of of Paul’s first conversations with JJ McCullough, JJ said something that perfectly applies to this discussion: disgust isn’t a good way to determine if something is good or bad. I’m naturally very squeamish around blood, but I recognize the immense good that medical surgery has had on humanity. All humans have ‘natural’ in-group preferences, but that doesn’t outweigh the cultural and economic benefits of immigration. In a way, humans have become so dominant *because* we’ve been able to suppress some of our natural tendencies.

@Nauseum

Ай бұрын

There are really only cultural and economic benefits when the immigrants come from European countries. I would challenge you to point to a benefit that a European country has recieved from any non European country's immigration.

@leon-jj9dv

Ай бұрын

@@Nauseum Indian-Ugandan refugees post-1971 were pretty helpful to the UK, as were Hong Kongers who moved to the UK after 2019.

@Nauseum

Ай бұрын

@@leon-jj9dv helpful in what way, and do you have a source? I'm willing to be surprised but I'm quite skeptical.

@sebastianvakarian9773

Ай бұрын

Are you Jewish by chance?

@bluemoon-hg12kd

Ай бұрын

​@@Nauseum Indian Americans earn the highest income out of any race and are the most educated too in America. In the UK too, British Indians earn the highest income. In America, they contribute 5-6 percent of income taxes, despite them making up only 1 percent of the population. Their professions also indirectly helped create 11-12 million jobs for Americans. So, how are the only economic benefits coming from European immigrants?

Making decisions or policy alignment strictly off an adherence to a personal disgust response implies hedonism as a main guiding principle.

@UntoTheDepths

Ай бұрын

Anti-degeneracy does not imply hedonism, as hedonism itself is degenerate and morally disgusting

@UntoTheDepths

Ай бұрын

Anti-degeneracy does not imply hedonism as hedonism itself is degenerate and morally disgusting

@UntoTheDepths

Ай бұрын

Anti-degeneracy does not imply hedonism as hedonism itself is degenerate and morally disgusting

@UntoTheDepths

Ай бұрын

Anti-degeneracy does not imply hedonism as hedonism itself is degenerate and morally disgusting

@WizardofGargalondese

13 күн бұрын

Not necessarly, hedonism is driven by both avoidance and affirming positive sensations. What youre saying would be more like nihilism, where you dont actually strive toward positive experiences, you just avoid negative ones.

There are cases and cases, dr. and parents, sometimes the dr is just listening to the parents, some times it's the other way around...

@WizardofGargalondese

13 күн бұрын

This claim is made often, and Im not saying its false, but it becomes dangerous when no one has any proof of bad behavior so we just decry all doctors and then where do we go fur heart surgery?

@lloydgush

13 күн бұрын

@WizardofGargalondese not to the ones Fing things up. Either due to ideological commitment to bad ideas or pet theories, or ones which are strictly corrupt and/or incompetent. You know, like we have always done, with literally any specialist.

awesome channel

Xenophobes disgust me

I have no sympathy for parents who were gaslit by institutions and transitioned their kid. They broke one of the first duty’s of parenthood and that is to protect your kid from themselves.

@phoebeallen284

Ай бұрын

I'm detrans, I started taking cross-sex hormones at 17, and my parents tried to stop me, but I ordered internationally shipped hormones online to a friend's house. I then told them that their choice was between me taking those or medically prescribed hormones, and they relented. Would they be guilty in that case, because I personally take complete responsibility for my idiocy then.

@puppetmaskerr

Ай бұрын

​@@phoebeallen284But then they are strictly following immoral authority and are doing so in duress. I think the point here was about parents who cave into broader social pressure from malignant elites

@Levelity

Ай бұрын

@@phoebeallen284 It's one thing to relent, and another to facilitate. There is a lot of barriers to prevent parents from intervening now and I fear it's just going to get worse but with your parents objecting, that was the bare minimum and I think you're right that the majority of the responsibility then lies on you.

Locking up those doctors is an insane take bro that most Americans do not agree with

@danielholder7979

Ай бұрын

So we should hold beliefs that most Americans agree with?

@marxistchiefsfan

Ай бұрын

@@danielholder7979 No, but that's going to be a huge turn off of your movement to start jailing doctors

I so wanna discuss you and Destiny at the same time. I feel like the three of us could be the three headed dragon that conquers the world

An interesting discussion, but it seems to once again highlight that the "enlightend centrist" position is just kinda cringe and vapid. Also, it seems pretty reasonable to send your kid to a counselor who might advise them against the gay lifestyle since it's a nightmarish cul-de-sac of a life and it's crazy that offering this advice is outlawed in Canada. Another L suggesting that the ban on conversion therapy is good.

@fantuswitt9063

Ай бұрын

There is no gay lifestyle only being gay. Also whats nightmarish about it?

@Nauseum

Ай бұрын

@@fantuswitt9063 they live childless empty lives filled with hostility towards everyone around them. It's only been 19 years since gay marriage was legalized and we've already got drag queen story hour and endless other demented perversions publically foisted on children. Every successful religion and society throughout known history prohibited homosexuality. Even just from a darwinian perspective, there's very likely a reason for that, and the rapid moral decline of our society seems to suggest that they may have been right.

@Nauseum

Ай бұрын

@@fantuswitt9063 they live empty childless lives and find purpose in their fear and jealousy of those around them, driving them to dismantle society. It's only been 19 years since gay marriage was legalized and we've already got drag queen story hour and endless other publically enacted perversions tailored for other people's children. Every successful religion and society throughout history warned against homosexuality. It seems a little presumptuous to assume everyone in history was wrong. Also the rapid moral decline of our society seems to suggest they weren't.

@Nauseum

Ай бұрын

Apparently my comments don't post now?

@Nauseum

Ай бұрын

@@fantuswitt9063 just seeing if this comment posts because I wrote out two lengthy replies and they were gone when I came back.