Thanks for watching all! Before you ask:"Can you share the prompting method please?!" just know that we won't be publicly sharing the method that allowed Udio to generate these tracks as we don't want to help Udio clean up their mess. That's their job and responsibility. Feel free to play around with their model for yourself and see what you can come up with!

@JamesJones-zt2yx

Ай бұрын

Then Udio and those who own the rights to "Last Christmas" and "All I Want for Christmas" should sue the prompt writers for plagiarism. Udio's just the tool they used and isn't responsible, just as GM isn't held responsible for bank robbers using GM cars as getaway vehicles. I hope someone lets Udio, Warner-Chappell, Sony, and Andy Stone know.

@VelvetHammerBooking

Ай бұрын

I don't think there is a special prompt. I think you may have been misled. Did that user share with you that he added the lyrics to the custom section? By adding the lyrics, all you have to do is add a simple prompt like Christmas or male voice or female voice or yuletide, etc etc and you will get everything that you just clicked on in the premiere. In the custom section, it override's the systems effort to create lyrics and uses those. Now how this user could use this to his advantage is create full songs with these and find a distributor who allows for Cover Songs and distribute the songs. It's a very good chance that between Thanksgiving and Christmas some, if not all, of those songs will get some playtime. I believe this was/is the main "business model" for Udio. This gives fans of X the opportunity to create new songs with their favorite lyric. Again, nothing illegal. Maybe slightly immoral but the power is still in the hands of THE FAN and THE USER and not the big labels. And based on the Terms of Service, there is nothing these big labels can do about it. (And this is the real story) Great video btw

@VelvetHammerBooking

Ай бұрын

and for clarity, to do what they done 1. Find your favorite song's lyrics with a simple google search 2. copy the lyrics 3. go to Udio, click on create and under the "custom" section paste the lyrics, hit create in 40 seconds you will get a 30 second AI cover of your favorite song to add the rest, follow 1 and 2 for the missing sections, come back to udio, select the "view song" and you will do "inpainting to add the missing section at the end. Continue until the song is complete.

@cstoomey

Ай бұрын

@@VelvetHammerBooking Nope doesn't work. Moderation says try again with different lyrics.

@artephank

Ай бұрын

@@JamesJones-zt2yxsure, if they paid for the training data

I love the optimism of the thought "I wonder *if* they trained on copyrighted music, and *if* they licensed it" Of course they did train on copyrighted material, of course they didn't license it.

@SyncMyMusic

Ай бұрын

And that's why I wanted your comments! 😎

@seban678

Ай бұрын

@@SyncMyMusic I understand ;) I'm ambivalent on your last point. On the one hand I agree that things like Udio can be a motivator. I personally find what it does offensively bad, and it makes me want to make music just to show that it can't do what humans do. I wouldn't go as far as to say it's here _for_ us though.

@SyncMyMusic

Ай бұрын

@@seban678 What if it were to use tools like this to A/B compare what we create vs. what AI can create? I've tried this and found that it's helped me to expand my own possibilities of my own writing.

@seban678

Ай бұрын

@@SyncMyMusic Yeah, possibly, I hadn't considered that. It still seems like the whole endeavor is involving a lot of time, energy and data-mining for a minimal potential gain, and an astronomical potential loss. Thank you for your perspective though!

@okolenmi7511

25 күн бұрын

They have no trillion dollars to license every song they used to train their model...

Recently I heard someone say, "If these platforms don't let you use artists' names, it's not because they're good people, but it's because they want to prevent you from finding out what data they've trained their models with." 😉

@SyncMyMusic

Ай бұрын

That’s been my hunch as well.

@cstoomey

Ай бұрын

Totally agree...what we need is a program that can scan the output of any Udio generated sound and connect the audio they are using to the original tracks...kind of like Shazam but more complicated....use computers to call out computers.

@Vivaildi

Ай бұрын

I think it's me.They could just not allow us to ask for artist's styles like suno is doing. But it can be someone else, but i"m going hard on spreading this simple implied fact.

@ooOPizzaHeadOoo

Ай бұрын

@@SyncMyMusic The fair use argument is for using the copyrighted material itself, for instance reviewing a movie or a song, or parodying a movie or a song ect... The training argument is completely different, there is no law that states that content that exists cannot be used as a basis for training. Never has anyone been sued for using copyrighted material to train themselves on. If artists and musicians don't have to ask for consent or pay licensing fees to use copyrighted material for their training, then why do programmers have to do it to train the programs they create? Why are artists and musicians exempt but not programmers and software developers?

@JamesJones-zt2yx

29 күн бұрын

If that's true, udio's doing a lousy job of prevention. On my published songs, my requests for "in the style of* are still visible, as is the more general description udio used instead..

This is bizarre. I just posted a link to an example of Beatles song generation, and the video is now modified and the Beatles likeness and Beatles lyrics has been removed, but the video URL is still the same. That is one of the strangest things I've ever seen. It was "Chase The Sun" with both music and lyrics almost identical to Follow The Sun, except now it's suddenly a different song.

@SyncMyMusic

Ай бұрын

🤯

@GrimmusiKRecords

Ай бұрын

Whhhhhhaaaaaattttt?!

@Vivaildi

Ай бұрын

Maybe they saw this video and adjusted their system. But proofs won't go away on the court. they're really evilish.

@saxmanash

28 күн бұрын

All of these KZread videos are very good evidence

@jezefelto333

26 күн бұрын

URL is still the same? 😮 Wth

Awesome video, @SyncMyMusic Prompt: "Create a song that explains how Udio is about to be sued by every musical copyright holder." Udio: 🎶"Sue, sue, sudio!" 🎶

@gameforyourhealth

26 күн бұрын

Under rated comment lol

@TimothyDark

25 күн бұрын

😂😂😂

@antonystringfellow5152

25 күн бұрын

🤣

@marctomasi1758

23 күн бұрын

Absolutely brilliant

@vince_2621

11 күн бұрын

@@gameforyourhealth yep 😂

The best way to use udio,is to type your own lyrics, and add an acapella tag so u get vocals that sound original then u can just make a beat around those vocals

@kzrhthevultcha

27 күн бұрын

This is a tool, these dorks aren’t using the tools properly…everytime they keep PURPOSELY trying to INFRINGE. They arent doing scientific diligence by creating Original songs and then testing against HOW ORIGINAL the songs are to see if outside of the original lyrics IF music is original.

I remember when the big 4 went as far as arresting people for sharing crap quality mp3s online.

If they didn't just outright train it on copyright music... How much do you want to bet that they trained it on music from youtube? Probably picked up a lot of covers of these songs as well as original tracks that escaped the content blocking, even if they excluded the official ones. That wasn't John, it was PAUL on both the first 2! Close though on the first one, more raspy Paul though (think Helter Skelter).

I prompted 90’s, New York, boom bap and it gave me vocals that had the exact tone, cadence, flow and inflections of Fat Joe, another sounded like Ghost-face (but a bit more like Action Bronson), and one that was for sure Raekwon. I don’t know how it could be that similar without the models training in their catalogs.

In udio you're not allowed to upload lyrics if you don't own the copyright, so that's what happens if you do it

Thanks Jesse!! Awesome Video 💪💪

Excellent work, Jesse. Thank you for the reframe especially.

GREAT vid!!! Fascinating and mind-blowing Beatles renders

You have asked some interesting questions!...good job.

Thank you for this, shared to all my social medias ♥

I just tried creating a song by copying existing lyrics from a semi-popular song (57 million youtube views) into the custom lyrics field. It's definitely copyrighted, published in 2015 and is published by the productionmusic label ExtremeMusic. They are well established and successful. Since productiomusic would be under threat too I doubt they would let AI train on their music. I entered just about 20% of the overall lyrics. When the songs were about to be generated I got a "moderation error" saying "Your credits for this generation have been refunded. Please try modifying your prompt or lyrics and try again." My prompt was just "neo-classical epic emotional" So that can't be the issue. It's insane but this suggests to me that they have stored those lyrics in some database and stopped the creation of the song as the algorhythm recognized them. But why would they store those lyrics? Just because they care deeply about copyright and don't want anyone using lyrics from an existing song? Did they build a dedicated system that randomly stored a ton of lyrics from existing songs, even less "famous" ones? Or... did they store the lyrics in a system that is used by AI to generate songs and they just try to prevent anyone from finding out with this trick?

Thanks bro. This is needed.

thank you so much for this

Okay, the Christmas songs and such were using actually lyrics "cleverly" inputed as prompts, so the results (surprise) sound kind of like, or very much like published songs with the same lyrics. Of course, this can happen. The thing is, it is against Udio's policy and copyright law to use those lyrics. That is on the person who used them as a prompt, and you even acknowledge in this video that Udio will remove such songs. You and that other person moved them to another site to "protect" them so you could use them to take shots at Udio. Now, being a Beatles fan, I recognize that there is a soundalike quality to those (important distinction, here) Beatle-esque sounding tunes. The examples used seem to be original lyrics, unlike the Mariah Carey example and such. So, while the song may "sound" like a Beatles song, it is not one, and the singer is not the actual Beatles voice, trough it sounds similar. It just seems that you (or the unnamed associate) are being purposefully misleading, here. Again, Udio does not allow copyright lyrics, unless it's the human creator using them, and sound-a-like vocals and musical style parodies or homages that aren't actually taking the musci from a copyrighted song are not violating copyright. Were those Christmas tunes randomly created by the A.I., or "coaxed" by your pal using existing copyrighted lyrics? Where is your own transparency, here? Why not explain this process you and your pal used to expose the supposed infraction?

The last phrase was very positive. Congratulations for being able to see that bright side despite everthing's happening. I feel that... Maybe... People will claim for more and more organic and custom material. Considering that AI is a soul-less music provider. Is too soon to know what will happen... Meanwhile, I'm backing to my roots, playing my old friend, the acoustic guitar. Which I always used as a therapy. (Btw, that's a great perspective to see the process of making music, as a therapy). I wish you all success. Greetings from Brazil.

Is there a way to prompt the chord structure. Each of these always generate two songs, but none of my udio or Suno sound alike.. what can I do to control the chorus progression?

also the 80s was a decade of wonderful creativity and inovation.

Great video!!!

Hi Jamie just joining the channel. You're absolutely right about us humans continuing to create music.. I've been working on a solution for years and we're almost there

Nice quote at the end there, thanks.

Personally I would like to believe AI music will allow some talented people to break into a music career where normally they wouldn’t have had a chance. While this is also opening the floodgates to a bunch of noise, there are gonna be those songs that just rise up.

@MadManxJDF

29 күн бұрын

AI is a tool. I personally don't care if they learn from all music a normal person could listen and train from. If AI needs to pay to learn so does every person who played stairway to heaven in the music store or while learning.

@artephank

28 күн бұрын

I hope that AI will destroy most of bland and sameish "hits" that are on the mainstream radio stations and are boosted by algorithms. However, I feel like when it become even remotely dangerous for the labels, it will get sued into oblivion.

@robotron07

18 күн бұрын

@@artephank thats not going to happen ,is really naive to think that music generators will b3 destroyed because they are not simply music generators they are an all pourpose AI models that have the property to generate music or text or images as long as you give them the data , to think that could happen is akin to thinking that just because you destroyed one CD that your player plays you have actually destroyed the player , very soon entire AI models will fit in a cell phone memory capable of generating music with out the need of internet cloud connection you could sue one company and shut it down hi about the millions of people that will have their own private AI generators ? That will be operating in peer to peer networks or even the dark web exchanging music files by the millions ? Eventually it will just become the new normal ,trust me when i say in the context of AI music production is not longer very relevant when now people expect a full blown production with music and video and soon even virtual full inmersive reality with music just as one part of it ,this AI will produce

@matthall7359

16 күн бұрын

If you have to use AI you were never talented

@matthall7359

16 күн бұрын

@@artephank all AI will ever do is create bland and same ish music how can you people be this pea brained

Haha even Shazam detected that as the originals!

@BenCaesar

Ай бұрын

Crazy!

@luc.schurgers

Ай бұрын

@@BenCaesar You know what's funny when I switch my fan off it doesn't recognize it. So with background noise it picks it up, but with a clear recording it thinks it's different enough.

@BenCaesar

Ай бұрын

@@luc.schurgersno way that’s even crazier !!!😂

@NEEDSHES

28 күн бұрын

Oh that's crazy which one?

@San4itos

28 күн бұрын

Was Shazam "trained" on the copyrighted music?

There will be a renaissance of original music that is authentic. For those of us that are truly musically inclined, there will be a future. Focus on finding you own original sound.

I love your point about aiming to break boundaries with our music. Essentially, that's what the Beatles did in the sixties and if AI would have been around then, it would have had to catch up with the new trends. So indeed, AI is only generating the music of the past. Humans are the real creators.

What do you say to a person that says they don't have a problem with this any more than they do with you covering a favorite song? The violation is in the USE of the generative production, not in the production itself. So generating it, shouldn't be illegal. But if I then used it in my film or commercial, just like if I used your cover of copyright material in my film or commercial, THEN i would be in violation and subject to litigation. I'm just asking.

@SyncMyMusic

Ай бұрын

Correct, me singing a Mariah Carey song at my private family Christmas gathering (without paying her) might technically be copyright infringement, but it's not enough to warrant any lawsuits. It's a good question you bring up and likely a pro-profit scenario would have to be in play for a lawsuit to succeed against a company like Udio. I'm not a lawyer, of course!

@geraldtoaster8541

Ай бұрын

(imo) If I am a large online business and I host copyrighted music on my website, that is a copyright violation. In order to prevent illegal hosting of existing IP, music generation models must be incapable of generating any material that would infringe, or they must be locally hosted. But the distribution of a locally hosted model capable of infringing on existing IP is still legally murky. Also, detection of which generated material infringes and which generated material does not is difficult to automate. Personally, I think that for every IP holder that matters (large artists and labels) deals will be cut with AI companies and everyone else will get fucked (me included).

@matthall7359

16 күн бұрын

If you want to generate it you can feel free to play it yourself. AI is taking and using a copywriter production. You’re not doing anything, just the AI stealing.

are you sure you did not write the lyrics in when you created the loop

@MaxLohMusic

Ай бұрын

That is probably exactly how it was done; you can see "Amazing Grace" which is the #3 staff pick on their own website. Interesting that the video creator chose to omit this info

@mattpearson1914

29 күн бұрын

@@MaxLohMusic seems like false information to sabatage, from an idiot.maybe jealousy rival company

@MaxLohMusic

29 күн бұрын

@@mattpearson1914 I wouldn't go that far; it's an omitted detail rather than a lie, and he's a musician, not a rival company

A voice cannot be copyrighted. According to the legal decision in Midler v. Ford Motor Co.: “A voice is as distinctive and personal as a face. The human voice is one of the most palpable ways identity is manifested.” This ruling did not impact general copyright, but its subsequent legal interpretations means that while a recording of a voice may be copyrighted, a voice itself may not. As for the lyrics. Udio did not just create those lyrics. Whoever prompted the song just included them in the prompt.

@DjGolucky

Ай бұрын

He's right. They cheated the system. used incorrect spellings when he prompted manually. done it myself many times. Udio can be cheated but suno it is harder to do.

@Zer0Spinn

29 күн бұрын

I mean... two people can have the same voice. idk how that would work, legally speaking, if you could actually copyright.

@TheFeedRocket

29 күн бұрын

@@DjGolucky Oh wow, if that is true then lawyers can't use that, Udio does block full verse then. If Udio shows it blocked lyrics, names, etc.. and they also paid to "listen" then they have solid ground. It all depends on if they paid to listen, and honestly it would be pretty hard to prove the did not.

@DjGolucky

29 күн бұрын

@@TheFeedRocket udio will block copyrighted songs. But all you have to do is be creative. So instead of spelling "its a beautiful day", spell it "iz aye butifull daye". Get it!

@artephank

28 күн бұрын

"voice may be copyrighted, a voice itself may not." - but the thing is they used copyrighted recording to recreate this voice. Is like cutting painting into million pieces, copy them on xerox and then connect them again into the somewhat similar painting. This is just derivative work, in addition to the original. Neural networks do pretty much same thing.

No doubt copyright problem are coming soon but! I think IA open for us the opporunity to personalize our music, new sounds, real emotions and being original. This bring us to a new way as a composer without having to using IA.

Great video Jesse. Theres no denying now where they get their training from. upt o courts now I guess

@borstenpinsel

Ай бұрын

Yeah like a kid trying to play these songs on piano. There are even licensed sheet music products that contain somev if these songs. And frankly when you turn the radio on, every other song is now a 20-30 year old melody. Copying music performance is not considered theft in any context. Commercial gain is, if it is not licensed. (Reminds me of that clip where a F1 driver is punished for singing a song he got stuck in his head. In no context is this punishable BUT he did it on live broadcast and the people responsible for the F1 events didn't want to risk getting sued so they took measures to stop him from doing that. Also live on tv)

I did the same thing. Asked for a crooner sound like "Frank Sanatra" it gave me that message saying it can't reproduce Frank Sanatras voice. It said it replaced Sanatra. But it did end up sounding exactly like Frank S.

@hipjoeroflmto4764

22 күн бұрын

Does typing sanatra three times summon sanatra or something and why is it a bad thing to do so.

@hipjoeroflmto4764

22 күн бұрын

Btw, Sinatra*

Nice outro conclusion!!!👍🎶

Yeah, I discovered fairly early on that melodies and chord structures of at least Christmas music seemed to hold pretty strong coherence. I generated an orchestral piece of Hark the Herald Angels Sing. I didn't think to check copyrighted music though. I was just surprised to hear the A.I. just straight up generate the actual melody and chords. I figured Udio knew it was was public domain so they allowed it to happen. Just my own speculation, but I'm wondering if they were working on a way to do generative cover songs with a branch of their model that retained melody, lyrics and chord structure and they were experimenting with Christmas music, so they filtered the music they were scraping from which had key words like "Christmas" or "Festive" through this 'cover music' variation of their A. I. model. But IDK how it all works. That's total speculation.

An absolute fantastic research job here! This is a super meaningful analysis and needs to be shared widely

@GeorginaJungle

24 күн бұрын

Don't you just love AI generated comments about AI?

As a Reaper user, I recently installed a Python script called 'Composer Assistant' on my Reaper DAW. This script harnesses AI neural-based technology to generate various versions of the original melody in MIDI format. Interestingly, a similar process seems to be unfolding here, albeit with audio. Given that every song can be deconstructed into its individual instrument parts, it becomes quite straightforward to craft alternative versions. Simply reassemble these parts, and presto! However, it's crucial to recognise that this practice is illegal. Despite this, the company behind such tools may attempt to evade legal repercussions, perhaps due to the somewhat lawless nature of the current technological landscape.

@artephank

28 күн бұрын

" lawless nature of the current " - there is just not enough money in that at the moment to bother. Look what happened with sampling. Until '90 nobody bother to sue. It seemed "legal" to use samples of other artists in songs. Now producers publishing samples without clearing are sued into oblivion. There are tools that can spot even less than second of recording used. I bet similar thing will happen hear. I think we should just use it for fun till it lasts:)

@ignite137

28 күн бұрын

It's a whole new ball game when entire songs can be manipulated. It wouldn't be surprising if legal action follows, leading to new laws for protection. The pace of technological advancement often prompts legal adjustments. It'll be interesting to see how this unfolds in the near future

since last week, Udio (PRO) allows to upload (any) audio file to be edited, integrated, remixed in your own piece

Of course the model contains copyrighted music. Now, the Copyright infringement happens when you put the same lyrics and trick the prompt to get the artist anyway. It's up to the user, like with every tool, you are responsible of how you use it. Also, with the inpaint feature, you can torture a song until it makes the exact chord progression you want.

Pandora's box has been opened, you're fired. If Udio or Suno are denied this, some other company will take care of it. This is not just about music, the world is going to change. Adapt or die

It doesn't sound like it's "generating" music, but instead using modified audio bits from the original recording.

@SyncMyMusic

Ай бұрын

THAT’s one of the very important questions I have as well!

@dinierto

Ай бұрын

Nah, that's not exactly how it works although it can feel that way. If you've ever seen how image generators work it's a similar phenomenon from what I can see, where you'll see pieces of watermarks show up. They don't literally take pieces of the training material, they generate content from a random seed by calculating probabilities if what something should be based on tags and Metadata provided by the user and on the training materials

@fftunes

Ай бұрын

@@dinierto i'd still argue it's a form of sampling. Even if you recreate a sample (or "generate" as you call it) you'd still infringe on copyrights of the songwriter.

@FireF1y644

29 күн бұрын

​@@diniertoDisguised form of sampling.

As a studio engineer, composer and studio owner with over 40 years of experience, I have done thorough research with Suno and Udio. I loaded a studio mix into Udio, experimented with it, then returned to the mixing desk computer to compare the files. Although the composition was reasonable, the quality of the data was poor. I noticed a significant lack of high frequencies and dynamic range in the Udio-arranged piece. It serves more as a tool for composers and hobbyists to make music. However, the files are not suitable for production and must be re-recorded.

I'm not gonna share the method either, but a friend of mine who has been learning the AI models managed to work it out, what was interesting is that we tried it in Suno and it would not work at all. I had an awkward moment too when I was writing a song for myself, I had used my own lyrics and one verse turned out to be very close to a Norwegian metal band that was largely unknown and Suno wouldn't generate it due to copyright issues. It is absurd though that Udio actually generates tracks that are almost exactly the same as copyrighted tracks. That shouldn't happen at all.

AI really brings out the fuddy-duddy in people.

SOLID GOLD!! somebody's got some 'splainin' to do

What are the prompts, i need them all

Love the reframe 💜

There is a man under the table pulling levers and your being told you’re seeing the future.

@Zer0Spinn

29 күн бұрын

What? you may dislike the moral aspect of this, but it is the future lol

@NathanielPrinceCoulter

29 күн бұрын

@@Zer0Spinn uh ok I guess we’ll have to wait and see. If you don’t get the reference I’m making then you likely can’t see that you’re being fooled. Clearly can’t see I should say.

🤔 💭 uncanny. Udio got a problem. But when it comes to laws and changing laws big business can buy off court officials to get laws passed in their favor

Great insight ' thanks

by the way even if you think the record industry will slap them down, much of it will make its way to open source which makes no money, and can't be removed cause of things like torrent and the fact the music industry as a whole is not significant to fight a world that may fight back '

Dropped a bomb here, man - great work 👏👏 Music lawyers are gonna be busy

I knew it, too good to be true!

Reminds me of the early days of image generation. If you prompted them in just the right way, you could get them to sorta recreate certain very very famous images. But as the training data expanded and diversified, that problem went away.

I can't imagine a future where they aren't sued into oblivion if they keep this up

WTF Udio? I hope they get sued accordingly. Thanks for the amazing content, Jesse.

@overlords2722

Ай бұрын

@@AILEYMUSIC You shouldnt be able to do this though you spanner. Plus you can copyright lyrics and Udio is clearly using them.

@overlords2722

Ай бұрын

@@AILEYMUSIC Point being... you shouldnt have the option to be able to clone songs this easily.

@mehranmosaddeq6030

Ай бұрын

@@AILEYMUSIC I don't think it would be possible to prompt the AI to generate the exact same melody harmony and style of a specific sound, like here we heard the identical songs like Last Christmas and some others. No doubt this AI is trained on the copyrighted songs illegally or because of the lack of law on AI generated arts at the moment.

@jeremyandrebecca

Ай бұрын

Anyone can record a cover version of practically any song they want as long as they to pay the proper royalties. All Udio needs to do here is track songs that sound like existing songs and pay the required royalties. Or, am I missing something?

@jeremyandrebecca

Ай бұрын

Actually, if they’re using the artist’s voices, that could be extremely problematic. So, I may be answering my own question. 😂

I m from France. Some Udio french songs voice really looking like an artist called Barbara

My idea is they are using something like moises to separate the stems and its training it on the stems.. And it using some sort of AI that judges the combined stems to determine if it sounds good, the copyrighted music is being used to train thee AI that judges the quality of the song, and its using the users likes and choices in the music making process to rate the choices, which is key to training the aesthetics of the music..

These songs (udio)It sounds exactly the same wit the originals songs

'Training' seems suspiciously close to 'stealing'.

@borstenpinsel

Ай бұрын

Do you consider it stealing when you listen to a song and try to learn in on the piano? Or even play it with your hobby band in some garage? This is training. Now turning what you learned into a commercial product is another story. There is a difference.

@BrofUJu

Ай бұрын

​@@borstenpinselthis is really silly. Covering a track at home is not the same as just completely recreating it, lol.

@borstenpinsel

Ай бұрын

@@BrofUJu yes it is. The difference is only in the access of the public and the commercial nature.

@BrofUJu

Ай бұрын

@@borstenpinsel okay? This is a commercial product. If you post a Beatles song onto KZread it's getting pinged for copyright. Should be the same here. If I play a Beatles song in my bedroom on my guitar no one is pinging it for copyright, lol

@borstenpinsel

Ай бұрын

@@BrofUJu yes but the comment was about the training of the AI... but I see you understand my point. It is NOT stealing to _train_ on replicating songs.

I have a question, how it generates those instruments? How does it replicate Les Paul exact sound, Juno, Jupiters, CS-80s, etc? Big brands like Arturia take years to model any synth yet AI creates it in 3 min with no sources, I feel what it does it steals stems from the songs it has been fed and transpose them or even modify the melody like you can do with melodine.

@SyncMyMusic

Ай бұрын

I don’t know, but I’m glad you’re asking the question! This is the stuff we gotta figure out.

@BLACKLABEL405

Ай бұрын

@@SyncMyMusic For me it seems we are in the NFT period again, companies overblow AI with some "promising" results that are from a shady source, and then milk investors just for one day magically ceasing operations because "Insert excuse"

That doesn’t mean that that came off Udio, you could make a song on audio with a voice and then use voice replacement software to replace the voice with John Lennon‘s voice that was trained on something like replay app

@matthall7359

16 күн бұрын

Yes I’m sure instead of AI stealing everything like every single AI model ever made this is a case of the AI being framed

great video, entertaining and also this video can finish in court as evidence

the rights to 'Last Christmas' are owned by Warner Chappell Music UK , Asked them what they think about it

@favesongslist

Ай бұрын

Is he claiming that the opening two songs were actually produced by Udio? If so what was the prompt.

@ooOPizzaHeadOoo

Ай бұрын

@@favesongslist The reason he didn't show how he did it is more than likely he fed udio the full lyrics, then prompted a christmas song from the date of the original, and using keywords to describe a voice like Mariah and probably adding a bunch of keywords to try and point the Ai to Mariah's voice. But I think everyone assumes the Ai was trained on copyrighted material, the big question is if the courts will decide that is illegal or not.

@MaxLohMusic

Ай бұрын

@@favesongslist Interesting that the video creator chose to omit this information: The prompt is most likely just the exact lyrics from those songs, which is practically like instructing the model to create some version of that song. See "Amazing Grace", the #3 Staff Pick on their own website.

@favesongslist

Ай бұрын

​@@ooOPizzaHeadOoo Totally agree about the prompt, its what I would do to jailbreak the AI. Also agreed the issue of pirating copyrighted songs and music. just as most published data like books and video used for AI training. Use of 'Big' data is such a big issue, the UK government gave big Pharma the right to use personal NHS medical data apparently including names. Also somehow some insurance companies got this data as it was resold. Like you, where will all this could lead , let alone for the advent of self learning and updating Artificial General Intelligence AGI. Our governments have not got a clue and are only reactive and then at best slow rather that proactive to the biggest change coming in human history.

@favesongslist

29 күн бұрын

​@@ooOPizzaHeadOoo OH my detailed reply got deleted :( Agreed, Jailbreaking is very easy. The issue is more about where AI is going and the use of 'big' data. let alone the possibility of AGI.

A very good and thought-provoking video. These are very interesting times for all in the music industry, and my personal thoughts are that artists who produce very 'same-sounding' work, will feel most under threat. So those who push the envelope and continue to evolve their sound, will stay ahead of the 'learning'. It will push us to take more risks as you say, and for what can be a very safe and static landscape, I think that can only be a good thing, right? Thanks!

Honestly, it's kinda cool that your friend was able to do this. I've tried to do this on udio. It's difficult to impossible to figure out. Also, I'm really curious how your friend got around the moderation system to make this happen. You're making it sound like the standard use case, when what you're clearly talking about is a hack. Please share the details of this exploit. Thanks.

@Gutz-po9xf

28 күн бұрын

put "style beatles" it generates, some similar ones appeared for me too, and paul's voice is clear haha tries a few times it should appear for you too

Welp, here comes yet another music industry shake up. This should be interesting

@SyncMyMusic

Ай бұрын

We’re certainly not low on interesting times!

Genius video! Thank you Jesse. Dedicated to all thinking that AI works like human intelligence. I am happy to see confirmed what I have guessed in a video a few days ago: AI music is basically “photoshop” on steroids. The way the model works is stealing chunks of real music, changing lyrics, modifying a note here and there, and merging the chunks together. I found several examples as well. And all that on top of the fact that the theft of training data is not fair use at all. Thanks for this very clear contribution to spread correct information. We need that because people are deceived by the AI propaganda. Let’s continue to inform people!

@eriong.7446

Ай бұрын

That doesn’t confirm that. If anything, human musicians can reproduce songs they know when asked (though not in the same voice obviously). AIs memorize some stuff and can be prompted to reproduce, but it has to be done in a way where the aim is to make it reproduce. And it will not be a 100% reproduction, because AIs are not some amazing compression algorithms, but yes, they do memorize some things to some extent and can reproduce them when forced or randomly, though in that case with a pretty low chance. Same with image generation AIs. Anyhow, who says that it works like human intelligence? And i’ve said it before, it’s not in the interest of any country to stop this, because not every country will stop it and whoever does will put themselves at a disadvantage and a serious one at that. (But we have seen a lot of things being done by countries against their own interests and security, so who knows, maybe…). As for musicians making new stuff now all of a sudden, that’s a nice notion, but it’s not like new, completely novel music styles popped up all the time during history. They did, but they died, because noone cared about them. It always took a genius to come up with something new that got people excited. But geniuses don’t grow on trees, it will be very rare that someone makes it like that, those that get hit by AI will get hit by AI, the overwhelming majority of them are just creative people, but not geniuses. And I’m not against you, I am one of you, I also stressed out over this, because music is my life, I played and made music all my life and when udio came out I just stopped, like what’s the point anymore? But then I created a concept album using udio just for me, haven’t shared it with anyone, but that’s what I’m listening to now most of the time. And why? Because I wrote the lyrics for it and I made it in 30 second parts and chose what I liked, so the end products are exactly how I like music. I had more than a hundred generations for a 4 minutes song and threw most of those out. And this gave me a different perspective. Yes, as a musician this physically hurts. But as someone who likes to listen to music it’s a game changer, personal music for everyone. Exactly how people like it. Exactly. Not in the way of yeah it’s a cool song you made, I like some parts of it, all in all I like to listen to it, but it’s a 100% your taste and only 60% mine. People won’t have to rely on someone else’s taste in music anymore, they can make any kind of music exactly as they want to. And though at first I didn’t think of it this way, now I see quite a bit of repetitiveness in udio, it has a style even if it can create in many genres. Just like you can tell most of the time that an image was made by midjourney, now I can kinda tell if a music is udio and so now I believe good music will stay being good music. And though right now, at this moment my favorite album is the one I made with udio for myself, i still like to listen to other music and I still look forward to new releases by my favorite bands and I still love to play Chopin. But I don’t make my living from music and if I did I’d also feel threatened, but I’m not as worried for music as art anymore as I used to be.

@federicoaschieri

Ай бұрын

​@@eriong.7446 Lol, if humans make covers they have to pay. When it is to your advantage you claim AI is like humans, but when there is to pay, then it is a computer without credit card 😁 And your words unfortunately are useless, because even if the model were more creative, the theft of training data, as Jesse well explained, is not fair use, so the model is illegal.

@spark300c

Ай бұрын

yep it need different stuff to mix together to get illusion of creativity. it why generative AI can not train of other AI. voice cloners likely can train off other clones because it just copying.

@eriong.7446

Ай бұрын

@@federicoaschieri 1, i have a hard time making myself reply to a comment that starts with “lol”. 2, to my advantage? What is my advantage? 3, have you even read what I wrote? It doesn’t seem so. Where have i claimed it’s like a human? I specifically asked “who says it’s like human intelligence?” I only said that what you claim as proof that it’s unlike human intelligence is actually more of a proof of it being like human intelligence than of the opposite. It has nothing to do with royalties or credit cards or whatever. I don’t even know why you brought that up as if royalties would stop people’s ability to create covers. We are talking about ability not getting paid for it or whatever. 4 you can repeat your theft claim, but I argued why I(!) am not sure it will stand in court, even if morally correct and you addressed none of that just repeated the original claim.

@eriong.7446

Ай бұрын

@@spark300c yeah, like chatgpt has all those pesky letters it can mix together. Have you guys tried it? It works with melodic lines in harmonies. It repeats sections with different orchestrations, or the same melodies with different harmonies or adds a different instrument playing counterpoint to the original in repeat and stuff like this. Sure it needs to get the sounds somewhere and it copies it, but at that point where you can say this 0.00000000000000000001ms is from that song mixed with those 4000 other songs and the next 0.000000000000000001 ms is from those 5000 songs then what’s the point? Saying “it changes the lyrics” is like saying “it only changes the molecules to turn that water into wine, no biggie”. You can’t just change the lyrics of someone’s singing, you need to regenerate the whole thing… how do you “just change the lyrics”?

Your video is *amazing*! Especially with the advice in the end! ;-) That's how I see it too - this is happening only to *awake* the Music Industry and the real Creators of Music, to get themselves in hands and start *creating* again, as it was before the internet!

you can choose a selection of genres, and if you input lyrics it will create music to fit with those lyrics. same with vocal styles if you input lyrics and a vocal style it will sing the lyrics in that style if you teach a band to sing / play instruments on a bands copywrited music they could do all of the learning legally, and liscenced using something like spotify. if you gave this band some copywrited lyrics and asked them to make musing and sing the lyrics in the style they had learned there would be a lot of similarities with the origonal. how is something like udio learning in the same way any different? it was taught from known music in a similar way and then a user dileberately fed it copywrited lyrics in a dileberate attempt to find something similar to the origonal. its not suprising there are a lot of similarities. if anything it could be the user at fault for using copywrited lyrics and requesting it be sung in a specific genre/vocal style in an attempt to dileberately reproduce the copywrited song. these models are taught on music and only store their learnings rather than the music itself so could arguably come under educational purposes and fair use

This is wild. Really disgusting if they trained models with copyrighted songs without paying. But again are we actually shocked if they did? Most of these music tech companies have shown repeatedly that they are not friends of artists.

@Musikyx

Ай бұрын

artists are not friends of artists, AI uses a small percentage of individual copyrighted material for creating ORIGINAL CONTENT, so no matter how many trials occur, AI will end up winning

@artephank

Ай бұрын

@@Musikyxwe will see, but there is no right that gives any one to use even „very little” of someone else’s copyrighted work. See how many producers are end up paying 100% and sometimes even more than 100% of their royalties for using even a little bit of sampling.

@BrofUJu

Ай бұрын

​@@Musikyxhow is this ORIGINAL CONTENT? They literally sampled the Beatles! This is why machine learning is not the same as human learning. You can get the basic idea of something and create something new. This AI model is just pulling from already created things and quilting them together.

@BLACKLABEL405

Ай бұрын

@@BrofUJu Let those fat nerds cope, they defended some meme crypto to death they will defend AI copying songs to death, and they will find any hyperbole to justify their fanboyism

Something tells me that Udio will be down tomorrow

@dinierto

Ай бұрын

This isn't particularly new in the industry or even surprising to anybody, I'm not defending it in any way, but I don't think anybody is going to be shocked into lawsuits tomorrow. It's part of a much bigger issue that's quite pervasive now with so many AI models out there across different mediums

I was hoping you did an example of The Beatles and thank you for doing so. The John Lennon likeness wasn't much like him but Paul's voice was. And the Drive My Car beeps - omg. Despite them being in a different key, you would have to analyse them in a frequency spectrum analyser to find enough difference to avoid copyright infringement. But gee, gimme a break there. Too much alike.

The more videos I see like this the more excited I am about the type of music that I care about having a renaissance. Unless we’re willing to allow culture to die, creators will keep creating and making and combining new sounds. Thanks Jesse for leading the charge.

Shouldn’t you show the prompts? You can enter custom lyrics. It would be valuable to show your prompts for the Christmas music

@SyncMyMusic

Ай бұрын

And give Udio the fix for their bug? Nah, that's their job.

@TajMikel

Ай бұрын

@@SyncMyMusicfair, but then we only get half the story. You state that it was able to recreate “lyric for lyric”, but it’s possible that the lyrics were inputted specifically by the user. Just saying for transparency.

@HoldMyBeerFam

Ай бұрын

Agreed more transparency please

@aimusictv1

Ай бұрын

That's right. With Udio, you can add custom lyrics. If the user typed in the lyrics to a copyrighted song or very similar ones, that's not Udio, that's the user. Actually, I would never do what that user did because it's a violation of Udio's terms of use. Also, if the copyright owners go after anyone, it would be him. The generator only did what he told it to do.

@philippendletonmusic

Ай бұрын

That doesn't explain the note for note melody.

“Cleverly Prompted” bro they typed the lyrics in obviously 💀💀💀

@GeorginaJungle

24 күн бұрын

If you have used the software yourself this doesn't seem to be the case. If you type in just the lyrics by themselves you won't get those results; there must have been deliberate manipulation of it's programming; also it is questionable why he didn't click into the songs to show the prompting that was used. In Udio & Suno if you click on a song it will display all the meta data of the song, lyrics, prompts, keywords, etc. Makes me doubt the legitimacy of the claims in the video.

@2coldjames648

24 күн бұрын

@@GeorginaJungle yea, something’s fishy

@karlosmartos4646

19 күн бұрын

shouldnt you get a new unique song everytime you put in lyrics though? How did the AI make the connection between the lyrics and the song the lyrics belong to, if the AI has not stored the songs in any way. It should just spit out a random new song with the lyrics that were typed, but it doesnt.

@2coldjames648

19 күн бұрын

@@karlosmartos4646 yes it does create a new song with the same lyrics. I’ve tried it multiple times, that’s why this video is a lil deceiving.

@GeorginaJungle

18 күн бұрын

@@karlosmartos4646 You do get a unique song each time. The video does not show the programming/prompting for the song; there appears to have been very specific manipulation to make it go against it's usual programming.

Hey Jesse, I've been a rebel since the beginning of my intro to sync licensing. I rarely used reference tracks and wrote what I liked to write. so, after almost 10 years struggling with this a lot of my music is getting the attention of a few libraries that didn't want anything a few years ago. I said from the very start the old school music will be back because it is good and not like the junk that is out there today. AI can kiss my behind since you have to pick your battles and fight them as they come. My strategy is not changing. That's my 2 cents, take it for what its worth.

'Why is this happening for me' noted and locked in.. Thanks.

@SyncMyMusic

Ай бұрын

That's actually the most part of this video IMO.

This process of checking generative AI sites for copyrighted works is called “red teaming” and it’s the most fun thing about Ai music 😂

I'll be interested to hear what the libraries think and how they plan to deal with AI. With Google and BMI getting cozy this will get interesting, to say the least. Great video by the way ya had me laughing big time.

@SyncMyMusic

Ай бұрын

Thanks! Yes I plan to talk to all the Library CEOs at 'Sync Up' this year about their thoughts on all this.

If you can get a non-copyright tune out of the AI then it follows that you could get a copyrighted tune out of it too if all of the training data is treated in the same way. People always seem to find ingenious ways around the attempts to prevent this happening by crafting 'special' prompts. It doesn't help that the creators of the AI don't know exactly how it works.

@aeorosa

24 күн бұрын

I might be wrong but this to me shows how powerful this tech actually is. You can create something completely new without trying, and if you try really hard, you can recreate something that's already made almost perfectly. I just don't understand why would people, when faced with such beautiful and promising technology, instead of using it to enhance their creativity, try to manipulate it like this. Also, this is nothing new. Everyone knows you can recreate some artworks of artists to almost to the T, if you keep trying. But the question is again, why? Obviously, if the tech is powerful, it should be possible to create any style, but wouldn't it be more fun to try and create something completely new?

@matthall7359

16 күн бұрын

@@aeorosa this is shit technology that removes all process from creating music. It’s not beautiful it’s just opening the doors to hacks who want to roleplay as musicians.

My concern here is that there is no indication of whether the LYRICS were fed to Udio or not. I don't know the lyrics to all these tunes, but if they do match, then maybe the lyrics were fed. And if so, that's not exactly a fair examination, is it?

@SyncMyMusic

24 күн бұрын

Even IF the lyrics were fed into the model (not confirming that's the case, mind you) then you'd still have the issue of the melody being generated from the model on its own (notes and rhythm being very close to the original works). The point of the video is to showcase what sounds like copyright protected music inside of Udio's training data.

Good for you! As someone who has been robbed of untold revenue, I am interested to see where this goes. As composers/songwriters, we should hold to account our elected officials in this matter. Personally, I have been robbed of God Only Knows how much income BEFORE AI. Yet there's a RICH irony in how all media outlets punish, with copyright infringement, anyone who uses copyrighted material via public posts. Great job! Please keep up the good work. To composers/songwriters, NEVER STOP CREATING. We will eventually win this war. AI will NEVER stop, but it will NEVER stop us if we keep doing what we do!

Its NOTillegal. Because its the same as a cover bands rights to recreate music. Its a recreation and not an actual sample from the song.

@WillyJunior

20 күн бұрын

In theory, yes. But the courts may decide otherwise. Nobody knows what the outcome will be at this point.

@RoelandRuijschvanDugteren

20 күн бұрын

Even as a coverband, the venue where you play, will legally have to pay a license to your country's PRO..But this example is tailored to the sync world, in which you can't use copyrighted material without paying a license..

@ChristianIce

16 күн бұрын

@@RoelandRuijschvanDugteren It reeally depends which country you are in. In mine (Italy) you don't pay anything, you can play what you want, *but* a share of the money you'll make will go to the original artist you covered. If you make zero, you pay zero.

@matthall7359

16 күн бұрын

🤡 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 just shut the fuck up if you don’t know how AI works

@matthall7359

16 күн бұрын

It’s not a cover if you literally have to pull audio data from a song and use the exact sounds from it you nonce

You can also type in the lyrics to any song and then it puts it into the song, but that’s the person that illegally put someone’s lyrics into the song and that’s the fault on the person not Udio

But to be fair, if it is a certain individual who is purposefully exploiting the website to generate sound-alikes despite the website explicitly attempts to make it impossible, shouldn't it be the individual to blame?

@marctomasi1758

23 күн бұрын

It just Shows a problem in the system. For now It should not be possible to come with the exact same song. They will fix it. I still think it is an amazing tool like an assistant for enhance your creativity. If the artist still develops his creativity and then uses AI to find ideas he wouldn't have think of, like a rhythm , an harmony based on his own piece. It will be very useful .

I‘d be very interested to see the prompting on those? Because we need to start and fight this training crap! Otherwise we‘ll just be out of jobs!

If you put the exact lyrics of a song that already exist into Studio then it's pretty likely eventually if you cherry pick your results you'll get the song the lyrics from. But if you put your own lyrics in Studio Will do what your brain does, it takes all the music you've ever heard and applies it to the idea you have

I really think some of this problem is just the fact that the examples of infringements are that it is just standard music. Historically, nearing public domain. As a musician, one can make multiple arrangements of a song. Many times, those arrangements can bring a style so commonplace. People don't notice where or when it originated from. Most traditional music is public domain. So, the similarities in a sound recording vs. a written composition is questionable. I find Christmas music is often times derived from previous works.

Actually sounded more like Paul than John, but either way sacrilegious!

It's not just the copyright issue that's problematic, but also the ethical aspect and the kind of society we want to build. AI shouldn't replace jobs that are genuinely interesting and stimulating for humans. In a logical world, AI should be used to allow people to be replaced in menial jobs, enabling us to focus on creative, philosophical, and scientific tasks. Copyright allows artists to create art in today's capitalist world; if AI renders copyright valueless, humans will stop creating, and machines will take over. It's understandable that musicians are concerned about AI. If AI replaces our creativity, there will be nothing interesting left for us to do in this world, making it a very dull place if AI also takes over other jobs. People who celebrate AI replacing human art are completely unaware, and this could lead us to a dystopian world. Humans must remain at the center of creation or collaborate with AI, but not be replaced by it. Otherwise, even with new forms of art created by AI, there will be nothing left for us to do. We shouldn't start down this path now. The goal of technological evolution should benefit humans, not businesses like Suno or Udio that are only interested in making money without considering the ethical implications.

@robotron07

Ай бұрын

It all depends on your perspective, being smarter than other not always equates to being replaced, for example some animals are way faster than humans ,cars are faster too ...did they makes us not wanting to run and compete among a ourselves? AGI if it comes may not really care much about what we do or we don't specially if it becomes a million times smarter it can simply find us boring and just ignore us ,leaving us to our own devices ...people may not care if there is a being smarter than us either ( other than a wounded ego for some) ,just like there is people if certain parts of the world that live in communities without electricity or running water just like hundreds of years ago , many don't care need or want our cars ,cell phone or TVs they are happy with what they have mainly because they are aligned with their own needs and the natural world ...in the same way many people will want to live their life with as little tech as possible or just what they need it ,perhaps machines will make the heavy labor so people indeed will have spare time and will enjoy doing art ,music ,poetry etc "just in their own way and for their own pleasure " ,not really as a way to compete with AGI

I just fed it "A song about Udio getting sued" Lawyers on deck, court got me waiting Missed notes in clauses, it's all frustrating Trying to keep the sound that I've been creating But these suits got a grip, no negotiating Courtroom like a stage, the lights too blinding Finding loopholes, heavy they're reminding 🤣

I think Udio should have the right to let the AI listen to lots and any music and learn, just like humans do. I do not , if I compose a song, try to find , who I have been influenced by and then ask their permission to use a short sequence of chords or feel, or style and ask how much I should pay to use that idea or chord progression or for example ABBA -like mixing method or Hollywood Strings sound. We all learn everything we know from the world around us. There are laws that protect our copyrights and those laws define, how much similarity a panting, a book or or a score can have without it infringing that copyrighted or creative work. God luck, Udio! You help us generate better music and challenge our creative minds to become even better with what we do as humans do.

You are totally correct, AI can never be really creative (although I'm sure it can appear to become rather close). Much of the music that inhabits the Spotify etc "air waves" is essentially imitative and AI can replace so much of that material. The same can be said for music for film/TV/commercials/business etc etc. In the short term, this could/will put many performers/producers/bands etc out of work. But people ready to show originality, to be creative, will progressively bloom. And live music - any genre - will never die. It's an "industrial revolution", and can't be stopped. A simple parallel is the impact the widespread introduction of electricity had on society. I think the first part of this posting is pertinent, but it's issues are really transitory, they will be resolved, disappearing into the past. On the other hand, the latter part of your presentation is something everyone should hear. In essence, your principle of positivity, of taking circumstances where each would be seen as 'a negative' and turning the circumstance on its head to see a positive side, and so use it to move forward.. i like your thinking.

It's not a "bug", it's what sets Udio apart from the rest. I personally love the fact that I can have a song generated that sounds just like the artist, but that artist didn't actually perform it. I think you're a wet blanket that's ruining everything for everyone else, and I'm sure I don't stand alone.

@SyncMyMusic

Ай бұрын

Just curious, do you make your living from copyright protected music?

@Vivaildi

28 күн бұрын

You're not an artist, you'll never understand.

@prestontedesco9368

28 күн бұрын

@@Vivaildi I am an artist, and I would be flattered if someone generated a song that sounded just like me. Mimicry is the best form of flattery.

@Vivaildi

27 күн бұрын

@@prestontedesco9368 yes me too, but not a machine. they're not crafting anything, they are writing prompts and roll the dices. I won't be flattered a machine just found my music in its database and replicate it without any form of appreciation if it is good or not. that's the difference.

I hope Udio gets sued into oblivion. I think what they are doing is just plain evil.

It seem like what it did was just an interpolation which is cool if you're going for a remake but I don't think most people are using it in that way when you use the examples for the Mariah Carey sample

well done !