Is the TS100 worth the extra cost?

@yamie8548

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the update! Again, costs matter from where you order, but even if there is a price difference, I would always recommend the TS100 But the piencil is still an option And regarding a PD USB C power source that can run from a 6S LiPo, I looked for this for a long time, because I needed to power my razer blade stealth from a LiPo. The best option I found was a Lenovo Car charger; the Lenovo 40AK0065WW It works well on my 6S LiPo and provides 65W of power, still a little expensive ;)

@baggszilla

2 жыл бұрын

RDQ has this ToolKitRC SC100 USB-C to XT60 Adapter Cable

@ajpbknex4117

2 жыл бұрын

TS100 all the way.

@nblynx2148

2 жыл бұрын

@@baggszilla yup but you need xt60 to usb pd

@Noctispt

2 жыл бұрын

Why not the SQ-001? Basically the same as the TS-100 but more cheaper.

Pinecil V2 is now also 12-24V 18-88W, with the same low price. V2 now also works with PD and QC adapters. SO the main drawbacks are fixed.

@dangerous8333

Жыл бұрын

He has to make a third video now. 😂

@jakubmierzejewski961

6 ай бұрын

I'm at 28V at 126W with Baseus 140W GaN5 Charger and 240W ERP USB-C cable after the firmware upgrade. What a great feature!

I found that power supplies from older laptops or imaxb6 chargers have the exact same barrel plug as the ts100. I'm currently using a 18V one on my bench and it works like a charm.

Awesome! Thanks for always giving fair and unbiased comparisons like this. Great work again JB!

Great comparison! I’ve been powering my Pinecil using a 5s Milwaukee battery using the barrel plug, and it’s been working flawlessly.

The Pinecil V2 is specified for 24V maximum but I heard somewhere the actual maximum is closer to 28V, so it can take a 6S input. I think the USB input is going to be a massive advantage for a lot of people as USB-PD power banks get more common. No shade on TS100 though. They walked so the clones could run.

I use my field charger in power supply mode to reduce 6s voltage to 20v. A small toolkit RC is perfect for that.

@jarredgallaher2643

2 жыл бұрын

this is the way

@jasonvickery9256

2 жыл бұрын

This is the way

Have em both, love em both. BUT, I do prefer the TS100. Couldn't pass up the Pinecil for the price though, for a backup or for my pack. I keep them both on the bench with different tips so I don't have to constantly change them out. Great update video JB! Thank you!

@Fee.1

Жыл бұрын

How does it compare to ts80p

I still currently only have a bench soldering station. Still on the fence on portable options. Currently using a ToAuto 3-1 station. It work's well for me in most applications. As thing's continue to shrink in size in the hobby. I am looking at a flight pack powered option. I don't mind buying a few 5s to solider with. Easy way not to mix actual flight packs with tooling packs. Thank you Joshua once again helping ole Gandaulf fumble his way down the FPV rabbit hole. Mad respect sir.

I use my TS100 and SEQURE SQ-D60B as portables, with my 65W baseus BS-30KP365 powerbank and works like a charm!

I have the TS100 and I use only a 3 cell battery. It heats up to 550F very fast and I can solder with any size solder no problem. I do like the price of the clone you have. It's nice to have choices which is why also have a few other small portable (rechargeable) options to choose from. Anyway, nice video look forward to your next episode. Ty

I jsut ordered myself a TS101 for my birthday.^^ I think they're all just amazing and exactly what's still missing from my toolbag and often kept me from successful repairs in the field... ;) cheers

Forgot to add another informative vid. And thank you again for making my fpv hobbies understandable. You don't get how much you do for the community, I would have ended up killing my wife burning my house and killing my self in a car accident this hobbies is so hard but Joshua, the pope of fpv saved me, he gave me patience, he said son watch the vid! You will learn something today and I did! And on the second day I was told son you might learn something today and again I did. Thank you our farther who out thou in fpv heaven for your help when God himself couldn't! Love you stuff bro

Alternative Sequire SI012 Takes the same tips as TS100 but also the T12 tips (more choices) Input 12-25v barrel plug + USB-C powered. Personally my TS100 screen got way dim after som uses where it was just laying around on my desk in-between uses.

I have to use the TS100 for some heavy duty machine field repairs (ripped signal cables most of the time that need a fast fix before the OEM replacement cable comes in). I can simply hook it to the 24V machine power terminals. But almost all of them have that one dealbraker at some time - They are not capable of heating cables with certain thermal mass. Signal cables no problem, but für power cables from 2.5 mm^2 upwards i am forced to use a propane torch and an iron, especially when it is a bit windy and cold outside.

you can use a XT60 to DC5525 Barrell wich will allow you to support 24V on the Pinecil v2 per their specifications

I got my ts100 3 years ago and have built many quads with it and its still goin strong. Got mine for 30 bucks on sale from banggood

Thank you man! I have 6s SolarSystem, so i got my decision^^

I'm running my TS100 off of a power tool 18V (basically a 5S) battery. I built myself an adapter with a XT60 plug, to slide on the battery (the base part is from AliExpress). But to be honest, I use it very rarely, because I do almost all solder jobs with a couple of T12 soldering stations from China.

My Pinecil was shipped from China. I ordered it right after you posted the last video on it.

I got the T's 100 and it's brilliant as long as you pump the heat up to 480c and you don't have to do too much negative stuff as it rips the heat out of it. But out and about the T's has been the difference between going home or making one quad out of 2 broken ones. Either way its a must have in the tool box, or talk your flying mates to get one?

Please do an update video. TS101 vs Pinecil v2

In your heat-up test, you talk about how the power dies off as it gets closer to the target-temperature. That's because the tip-temperature is actually controlled by a PID-loop, same as 3D printers or a quadcopter like what we fly, so it's intentionally lowering the power to avoid over-shooting. Or at least, I remember that being a selling-point of basically all of the more fancy irons... Also, if I remember correctly, the TS-100 on official firmware has a max-temperature of 400C, and the power-boost mode that Ralim uses can push it to max (I think it also disables the PID loop), which is probably around 450C. But I haven't looked into it since the week I got my TS-100. :)

Just had to fix some LEDs the other day, made me finally go buy a portable one even though I love my station. TS101 is the way to go IMO.

Going to buy the SEQURE SQ-001 soon, it's like 38 euro. Bought their spot welder aswell, the quality is pretty good and the prices are pretty low compared to other brands. Was wondering why you didn't mention that one, but I guess you didn't know about it's existence.

You could use the XY-PDS100 usb pd module with an xt60 to barrel jack adapter. It's rated max input is 28v dc.

The toolkitRC MC8 & M4 pocket will output USB-C PD from XT60. Should be able to use either it to power the Pinecil off 6S packs.

I like the sequire sq-001. I think there was an even bigger price difference from the ts-100 when I bought mine than there is now. I must be running older firmware, because mine goes to 450.

@SirFrag32

2 жыл бұрын

Same. My TS100 was like 80 bucks.

Pine64 shop ships from HK and will send to countries outside of the US. It was about $12 postage to Japan

I run my Pincile on a 20v DeWalt battery. I have a 3d printed battery adapter with an xt60 plug.

So I bought the pinecil the right after I watched your first video on it. I Used the affiliate link :) I finally just received it. I plugged it in to a 4S 1550mah at 3.8v per cell and my iron heated to 400°c in 27 seconds. So I don’t see a need for 5s anyway. So far I only fly 4s quads so this iron is great for me

@CimboAkinci

Ай бұрын

We have the same pfp

Just heard that the v2 of the pinecil is dropping out soon with some cool new wireless features. Be happy to hear your thoughts on it. I haven't watched a lot of your stuff for ages (pretty much since the law changed in the UK making it impossible to fly fpv), but I gotta say - you're looking really well man. Hope life has been treating you well! 💚

@den15423

Жыл бұрын

It's also has 88W max instead of 60W

@fluphybunny930

Жыл бұрын

@@den15423 And its £50 !

Ya I have the aftermarket firmware on my ts100 and it seems to go to like 430 or so fine but I like that wattage display I looked a couple weeks ago to see if anything changed but I didn't really find any useful information so I may update it

I love my ts80 iron. It's currently available for little more than the ts100.

I watched your video on the Pincel. I bought it and was happy with it for the 3 times is worked. As of right now its dead on the desk, I emailed Pine 64 but haven't heard back yet. The price was nice but I'm bummed its dead.

@paulb9769

4 ай бұрын

Did they sort it out?

TS101 power bank Easylonger Laptop power bank 26800mah 100w type c. QC 3.0 external usb c battery pack, Amazon. I hear this runs the TS101 very well Mr Bardwell sir.

Got Pinecil V2 from official site. Shipped from China

So I am a year late but your question about XT-60 to USB PD, I think the SpeedyBee adapter that is used with the SpeedyBee app does USB PD.

i run my pinecil off of a 24v laptop charger with no issue... with voltage set to max also there is a power setting for like what I can only call hysteresis don't remember what it's actually called but there is like a dwell time where it will sit at a higher wattage for longer

There is a ways to power TS100 from usb PD, using the special cable, and there is a ways, to use Pinecil v1 with higher voltage. Btw, 21v problem with Pinecil v1 was fixed in Pinecil v2.

You can get USB PD to DC barrel jack converters in many of the standard diameters, so the TS100 can overcome that limitation. However when that is said and done, why not just get both?

I went for the TS100 as from the UK and was widely available and the tips are also widely available perhaps that’s the same for the pinecil tho could not find any sellers for that iron in the UK and with an adapter one could power from a USB-PD power bank since the Type-C for firmware upgrading

Hakko fx-951 on the bench and ts100 portable, sorted :)

Thanks for going over these Josh! I've been eyeballing both for a bit now and this helps choice.

I’m more than happy with my ts100 and won’t be changing.

What about those adapters for adding PD ports to your car? They take 12-24v input and and have a PD output. Could they be used to adapt a 6s battery to the pinecil PD port if you wired an xt60 to one?

DC to usb pd: XY-PDS100, no xt60 just barrel plug,12 to 28v input (buck converter so input has to be higher the output) But personally I use a t12 soldering station

For price, why not the Sequre Mini SQ-001? It's a TS100 basically that RDQ sells with a barrel to XT60 cable and small solder iron/sponge stand for $44? That seems like the most economical choice at least for people in the US to get a TS100.

What about using the ToolKitRC P200? It has a PD2.0 and PD3.0 USB-C output and a XT60 7-28V input. It may be a little big but it is small for everything it does.

I was sooo lost when you mentioned RISC-IV I'm going to have to nerd on it after the video... dang it......🙈

Thanks for mentioning that it's hard to get in EU, I have a very high end powerbank that's capable of supplying 65W and I would much rather use a powerbank than waste Lipos in the field, being able to power it with USB-C PD is a massive upside to me.

If you need a XT60 to USB-C conversion device, check out the ToolkitRC SC100 wire. In order to connect it to the flight pack you will still need a XT60 male to male adapter, but when you have a soldering iron, you can make it up yourself) Also, having say a ToolkitRC M7 charger you can potentially power up the iron from the Power Output on the charger through the SC100 cable. And there are some other options which you can come up with, so there is a field for experiments. P.S. Pinecil V2 for the win!

Now need to test if temps are accurate.. No 6s kinda sucks, but I have 5s typically with me.. Already have the ts100, but might get the this one as a spare. Might like the wider grip. And I do have usb laptop chargers

@ZED-PV

2 жыл бұрын

I power mine of my 6s packs no problem. I also use a PD capable powerbank and that also works really well. Get 3 Pinecils for the price of 1 ts100 😂

9V works fine on the Pinecil no problem. My USB-C phone charger ends up sending 9V and it heats up great.

If i understood correctly about a xt60 to usb-c connection I have one that came with my SEQURE D60...the one with the LED numerical. I dont know if they sell that cord adaptor separately but at least its a start?

What’s the best affordable at home type wall plug in iron?

Could you not use a speedybee adapter to power this from a 6s?

How does the Pinecil perform on a 13,8V 20A PSU, please? There is 12V and 20V setting on it, if I remember well. 13,8V and 20A could give in theory 276W, so if voltage can be considered flexible there are plenty of amps to pull. So basically is the iron limited on voltage in this setup?

Bought the Pinecil and fell in love with it.. Replaced the garbage one I had been using from Radio Shack.

Are tips interchangeable?

Hi Joshua, I love your content as a embedded software who recently got into drones (I only fly in sim tho) I want a new soldering iron for my daily work and saw you which I don’t why but didn’t expect to see you and when you mentioned github I suprised more and when you talked about processors I was very surprised but laughed when you said risk-IV because that’s is the literally the first time I’ve ever heard someone called risk-IV. This is not a insult or something, I really love your contents and it’s a tiny mistake. Bye ❤

Really strange my Ts100 definitely reads up to 450c with railm firmware.

Shipping is (or at least used to be) an 11$ flat rate to Russia from the pine64 store. Buying several irons and sharing them with the community makes it even less per iron. I guess I don't need to say which iron I've got. The price and USB-C capability were the deciding factors (although I must admit I've only powered it once from USB-C, and that was to solder up an xt60 to barrel plug wire, which I've been using exclusively since then :). Oh, and I'm also one of those weirdos who fly 5S :) Anyway, it's an awesome iron, especially for the price, but I can't say if it's the best. I probably would've been just as happy with an SQ-001 or TS100, but would never have bought the latter. It's just too expensive for what it is :)

I think it’s an all around good model given it’s shape shifting ability. However some may question it’s use given it failed it’s mission in Terminator 2.

I'm running TS100_EN 2.05 PCB1 052018 ver on TS100, big diff in temp of 420c or 450c, 420c my normal temp and 450 for xt60 connectors and wire, got 2 ts100, 1st came with small power adapter and flaky, the second came with brick power supply and solid connecter, fyi I think u said in video ts100 does't come with PSupply both mine did, course my first ts100 is over 5ys and when they 1st came out. t has done over 200 kwads.

@fpvkabo

2 жыл бұрын

FYI, NV14 is now on latest Edgetx, new life for a dumped controller, neg-got to power xfire w/ ext batt and I need to update my 4in1 range tx module, maybe not, as long as D8 and D16 work.

URUAV XT-60 to USB Charger Converter. Its a 3-6s XT60 to 20V 45W USB-A Converter

Current Pinecil $25, 88 watt, 400° - Sequre SI012 Pro $41, 65 watt, 450°, case and power cord $6, USB type C for update and power + DC plug. TS-ILS tip for 1mm pads

xy-pds100 is what you are looking for. Use a barrel connector with a xt30

Can your review the QianLi Nano Iron and YOUYUE E210? Also check out this $12 solder review: Cheapest 8W USB Soldering iron Review - By Handskit.

Pinecil V2 is now up to 24 volts FYI

Why don't you have a PD powerbank to charge your XT60 batteries with? there's PD chargers

About the RISC processor. Think it's becauce it is open standard so to support those organisations who open up for there tech.

Pinecil is running RISC-V, not IV, and I believe the number five is just a name. Pine64 is based in Hong Kong, and they at least ship from China. Bought it from taobao, it ships from Shenzhen.

@JoshuaBardwell

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the correction. To be honest, the whole RISC thing was a little outside my area, and I hope I was honest about that in the video.

@jessearmand

2 жыл бұрын

Yes all of what you said regarding how FPV pilots would think about this soldering iron is accurate. I also thought about not being able to use 6S on this iron. RISC-V is not as well known as ARM (which most MCU are using), and China is basically pushing toward RISC-V in order to not be dependent on ARM.

@jessearmand

2 жыл бұрын

But I just found out there are lots of clones out there, and mine is likely one of them.

The Pinecil V2 was just released today, and has bridged the gap between the V1 and the TS100. It now accepts 24v @3a through the DC jack, while still maintaining the USB PD input and the USD$25.99 price. I believe they are opening an EU store to reduce shipping cost outside of the US as well!

@JoshuaBardwell

Жыл бұрын

4.2 * 6 = 25.2 volts. 24v is still not 6S rated :-(

@crongl

Жыл бұрын

@@JoshuaBardwell I guess we'll have to find out if 24v is a hard limit. Strangely, it's rated 18-88w rather than 72w (24v * 3a), so it might not be a hard limit

You can't get replacement shell for TS100, I tried and it's very sad. Pineci is newer and it looks like the ts100 is discontinued.

Funny thing. When you order from germany it is exactly the same price. I thought I could try the pinecil, but it literally cost here 50€ same as the TS100. So with no price differences. The TS100 is for me slightly more worthy

I'm a year late and it's not a big deal but just a heads up. RISC-V is risc '5' not '4'. :)

I'd love to get portable iron for when I'm out and about, but I'm used to irons with very little stick-out and I'm not sure I'd be able to manage. I stopped burning myself with soldering irons many years ago when I bought one without the long stick-out, is the flexibility of where you can use them really worth burning yourself every month?

@SirFrag32

2 жыл бұрын

I've never burned myself with any iron... maybe just be more careful? TS100 user here and before that, cheapo $30 Amazon specials.

@ASJC27

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve had my ts100 since 2017 (it was 43$ back then BTW) and use it all the time. Not once did I burn myself.

Isn't it RISC-V?

It's not that hard to get it in Europe. I bought it from the official store, they also have European warehouse (in Netherland if I remember), you have to pay for the shipment of course but it's still cheaper than ts100.

TS100 for many years.. put a silicone piece from a pen on it like the Pinecil now has.. Better grip ! and on the solder tip i`ve put something similar to it, so i can grab it "lower" ?!

You flashed the firmware from the pinesil soldiering iron on to the TS 100. That is why it's behaving Exactly as the other soldering iron. I have a completely different firmware flashed on my TS 100. It goes to 450° no problem.

TS80P comparison pls

Aliexpress have the pinecil and shipps pretty much everywere :)

The main advantage of the RISC-V processor is that, being an open source architecture, the manufacturer doesn’t have to pay royalties to use it. That likely contributes to the Pinecil’s lower cost.

Voltage hard limit? Hmm I've been using my pinecile of 6s since I bought it, still works

@JoshuaBardwell

2 жыл бұрын

What I was told is that it burns out a pin on the chip that is required to flash new firmware. So it will still function, but you won't be able to flash new firmware to it. I haven't verified this.

@fpvshenanigans

2 жыл бұрын

@@JoshuaBardwell hmm in that case I won't be able to comment until I try upgrading the firmware. Good to know though.

@JoshuaBardwell

2 жыл бұрын

If you can verify it please let me know. Email joshuabardwell@gmail.com please rather than reply here though.

What a difference a year makes eh. The Pinecel was slightly ahead of the game a year ago with a small lead on the TS100 but only in a couple of areas. Now, since December, 2022 we can buy the TS101 which has two power ports extending the flexibility of the product. The Pinecel does not allow rotating of the screen for lefties and that's me so right off the bat, it is not suitable for my use. I will be using a barrel plug on the TS101 I have orfdered so the USB C in both of these comparable irons isn't even an issue for me. The TS101 is shorter but both suffer from long reach which exaggerates any hand wobbles that may occur - deadly for SMD work. So sadly for me, I still haven't found the perfect iron, and I have 9 different types.

@AbulaSyllabus

7 ай бұрын

It's fine, uniqueness has its purpose ;)... There's always the best tool to use for a certain job.

For what it's worth...recently bought the PINECIL soldering iron. Never had a chance to demo the TS100.....

Ive been using my pinecil off 4s packs and been working fine for me. Even did the battery pads fine on the esc. Usually solder 340-360 C.

I can see some stores on Aliexpress have the Pinecil 64 for $AU55 post free. Waste of time (and money) buying anything from the US these times with the postage at a minimum of $US25. Greetings from Tasmania.

Yeah, I don’t think a soldering iron is something most people would upgrade or whatever unless you’re already in the market for one. It always gets me how my friends will have like 3-5 radios, but their flying is still the same, even after they upgraded the radio. I think the same for this iron… your soldering won’t improve without practice, so if your current iron works, what’s the point in getting a new one? Just me?

Pinecil ships from China, although you can buy ones from certified resellers that ship from different countries

RISC 4?

Could 4s be used on the pinecil?

@JoshuaBardwell

Жыл бұрын

Yeah no problem.

ts100: the 65w are not used is not a firmware bug. we could reproduce it. 65w is not possible on 4s. You need the almost 6s (22v) to be able to use 65w at the tip because the soldering iron apparently passes the input voltage on to the tip 1:1. maybe this is for joshua bardwell from the future in the video. 😜

Everyone seems to recommend the TS100. I bought a Pinecil to save a few buck. The Pinecil lasted 3 days and now shuts off on "thermal overload" Guess I shouldn't have been cheap and bought the TS100 from the start.

TS 101 u can try

Pine64 for sure. Opensource and American made ftw

you ca open up the pinecil and cut a single trace, no functionality lost, and it will be fine running 24v, look it up

The Bard doing a Ricky Berwick thumbnail!