The Civic Si has been the benchmark for compact performance sedans on a budget, now there's a Kia for that. The new Forte GT. Kia has managed to so drastically undercut the price of the Civic Si, that a fully-loaded 2020 Forte GT is actually *less* than a base Civic Si. In a segment where performance is just as important as affordability, the Forte GT might even be seen ad the new benchmark. It may not have the finesse of the Civic Si, but for the price you'll get features not offered on the Civic at any price, a better infotainment system, longer warranty, and... a bit more personality. The real win for the Forte GT is of course the price tag, because it neatly answers all the questions from GTI/GLI/Si fans. "Is it as refined?" No, but it's way less expensive. Is it as powerful as a GTI? No, but it's way less expansive. Does it have a limited slip? No, but it's way less expensive. That's the best argument to be had in the auto biz.

@reserva120

4 жыл бұрын

Too bad the rear seats don't fold flat..then it would-be a very useful car..

@CFG-qv7hy

4 жыл бұрын

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the "base" Civic Si is the only Civic Si?

@wtfx5757

4 жыл бұрын

@@CFG-qv7hy you aren't wrong.

@digitaldoc100

4 жыл бұрын

Forte is a very nice car for the price. Pushed hard though, the FWD architecture and lack of great engineering reveal themselves with too much torque steer.

@andrew.woolman7449

4 жыл бұрын

I'm not super impressed with the way the 2020 Kia Forte GT looks, the headlights look like bug eyes to me. Perhaps more importantly, the dual clutch transmission in the GT does ride & feel rough. Even Sofyan, a huge fan of Kia/Hyundai, admitted that when driving it. That will be difficult to live with everyday. Keep in mind that performance is more than the amount of horsepower, amount of torque, and 0-60 time. Most of us drive in real roads where we have to follow speed limits, not the race track. If anything, driving a fast car slow is incredibly frustrating. For my money, I would buy a 2020 Toyota Corolla SE sedan as my performance sedan. Yes it's not the fastest car but it handles incredibly well. Professional reviewers have stated that it handles & drives even better than the 2020 Mazda 3. Best would be to pair it with the available manual transmission with auto rev matching but Toyota's new CVT with the physical first gear is awesome too. Plus the 2020 Corolla SE is cheaper & more reliable than the Forte GT and the Civic SI. Win win.

“That’s not really Kias Forte.” I see what you did there Alex 😏

@sandyshoremann7524

3 жыл бұрын

I chuckled out loud on that too! Sneeky & Cheeky :)

@Baaxonda

2 ай бұрын

Putting such witty puns aside, when not referring to musical composition, "forte" is actually pronounced "fort," so we are all wrong when pronouncing it like Alex.

I've now had my Forte GT for about 3 months now and I couldn't be happier. It's fun fast and looks good 😎👍

@t.k.morris

4 жыл бұрын

Do you have the manual transmission?

@kenconlon1812

4 жыл бұрын

@@t.k.morris I have the manual it's a blast.

@jaredgreen5840

4 жыл бұрын

@@t.k.morris I'm normally a big fan manual transmissions in certain cars but I got the DCT auto. It holds RPMs where you want with nice defined shift points and I actually really like it. Plus you can kick it in manual mode and rifle through the gears. It feels very responsive unlike the slushy feel of a CVT, but that's another reason why I was drawn to the Forte GT 🙂

@thattallassnikka

4 жыл бұрын

Does it pull a lotta hoes or nah

@drmanikhossain7537

4 жыл бұрын

Congratulations! How do you like your Forte GT so far? Thanks

The most underrated performance bargain on the market right now. The car looks even better in person too.

@OGCONSUMER

3 жыл бұрын

@Birth Chord just snatched one last week 6 speed manual.. love it just tinted the windows! The exhausts pops also 🤙

@paulnuc3192

2 жыл бұрын

Going to hopefully pick one up Friday after test driving it earlier in the week, fell in love with it after about 15 minutes

Its so much value in this GT. The most fully loaded in the compact segment, imo. If I didn't have an 18 Hyundai Elantra Sport, i might consider it. Gr8 content, Alex.

In the world of FWD vehicles, I've always been a Honda man, going all the way back to the 1980s. I currently own my fourth, an Accord Hybrid. I've also had a Toyota, which I grew to like very much. But over the past several years, my respect for Hyundai-Kia has grown steadily, and this little Forte GT looks hard to beat in its class.

Downgrading from My Stinger GT to a Forte GT. This Car is a dope daily

@paulriccio5333

3 жыл бұрын

Been driving a 2021 for a day now after trading in my GLI. I love it. Volkswagen can suck it.

This car is a great value. If I was in the market for a car in this class, I would definitely test drive it

@richl1319

4 жыл бұрын

What class are you in the market for ?

@nicholass281

4 жыл бұрын

I just bought this car. I’m picking it up Friday I’ll probably post videos on KZread

@t.k.morris

4 жыл бұрын

@@nicholass281 Please provide a link if you do...

Just got this car a week ago and is truly amazing

@t.k.morris

4 жыл бұрын

Did you get the manual transmission?

@luiszaragoza6500

4 жыл бұрын

T.K. Morris I did, it’s so much fun driving this car in my opinion. Exhaust sounds mean at a cold start

@nowayangelo

4 жыл бұрын

@@IDHAMAHDI gt too?

@aluisious

4 жыл бұрын

@@IDHAMAHDI what exploded?

@stanm.6174

4 жыл бұрын

Just got mine 3 days ago. GT with manual transmission and I couldn’t be happier. When people write you get so much for your money it really is the truth.

The warranty argument has more bite this year vs. the GLI since VW backtracked their generous 6/70K bumper to bumper warranty and now only warranty their cars for 4/50K. The shortest warranty of the bunch.

@andrew.woolman7449

4 жыл бұрын

Warranties are only good if they're honored. I've heard many horror stories where dealers refused to honor warranties because they couldn't replicate the problem at the dealership or because they found some loophole and claimed the car owner voided the warranty. Don't rely on warranties at all.

@VaporCollector1992

4 жыл бұрын

Loophole abuse with the Warranty - another thing Volkswagen is notorious for. That and terrible customer service.

@stephenhendricks103

4 жыл бұрын

In fact VW's 4yr/50K bumper to bumper warranty is not the "shortest warranty of the bunch." It's longer than most manufacturers' standard 3year/36,000 mile bumper-to-bumper warranty. Furthermore, it's coupled with two years of service and maintenance on every vehicle sold, a benefit that amounts to something over $600 for every buyer. Balance that certain savings against the potential but very unlikely probability that a buyer will have a warranty claim in years five and six of ownership and the average consumer is far better off with the shorter warranty and free service and maintenance.

@subvet3668

4 жыл бұрын

Stephen Hendricks, nearly every other automaker offers 5 year 60k powertrain.

@casualsuede

4 жыл бұрын

@@subvet3668 powertrain and bumper to bumper warranties are very different things.

I don't know who you are, i don't know how i got to your KZread channel but i will now search for you listen to all the time when it comes to cars.

Btw, a C+ and a B are not same score (cabin noise).

@Ricksnet2008

3 жыл бұрын

My son telling me he did great in Math... report card says D+ Hmmm lol

Any DCT with paddle shifter is as fun or more fun than a manual. I have driven manual for over a decade but I was blown away by the DCT fast gear changes - race car with sequential transmission feeling.

@evoartsinc

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Even as an old-ass man I can agree that the technology has changed the game.

it would be nice if they one day offered more color choices for the interiors

Thank you for this review. I've been waiting to hear your take on it.

I leased a 17 Elantra Sport manual for 3 years and it was fantastic. I preferred the styling, leather seats and rarity over the Si. The refreshed Elantra was unfortunate, though.

@1990flyerboy

4 жыл бұрын

I had one with the DCT. That car was just about perfect for me. I miss it.

@ryadhasanahmed5443

4 жыл бұрын

I mean the reason why Si doesn't have leather seats is coz if weight, leather adds unnecessary weight and the Civic Si and Type R is all about lightness

@bertito43

4 жыл бұрын

I still have mine and it’s 60k miles. I just can’t justify getting rid of it. I love it

@JTube571

4 жыл бұрын

@@ryadhasanahmed5443 Leather is also pretty terrible in a performance car as it's easier to slide around in it while doing hard cornering. Leather also makes the interior noise levels higher as leather reflects sound rather than absorbs it like cloth.

@dennistyler8746

4 жыл бұрын

And the triangles in the 2021 look to much...

So Kia made the Forte GT with the manual as it’s own trim level. So it’s more than the base GT, which comes with the DCT, but it has more equipment. The GT 6MT does indeed have the Blind Spot Monitor, as well as a sunroof, and an upgraded audio system. I only know this because I was looking into one as a replacement for my Accord when my lease runs up. Great review as always!

Have this in manual. So much fun to drive.

Great review and comparison as always. I hope you would include an overall score of some kind for the segment on your reviews. That will always help to know which are your favorites for each car segment.

That's what I'm talking about. Alex, you're the BEST!!! 👍

Your level or expertise and thoroughness continually blows me away. Keep up the incredible work!!

@theodorekell

4 жыл бұрын

I can find many faults

@swanblake

4 жыл бұрын

His logic is terrible. He goes for the least sporty car, everytime he does a sporty car comparisons. He hates fun driving cars. He would much rather have an suv

@Bondovw

4 жыл бұрын

@@swanblake Hes a practical guy. If you're even considering a couple different cars you're going to drive them and might have a completely different view from him.

Wow, what an impressive review! I’m totally with you on the automatic vs manual transmissions. I drove a manual for most of my driving life, mostly because I wanted a cheaper car. Yet, for me it’s not the fun experience that manual enthusiasts love. Especially in stop and go traffic. Because of this review, I will definitely check out the Forte GT. The only turn off I had was that big info entertainment screen in the middle of the dash. It sticks out way too much. I wish it was built in more to the dash. Other than this, I’m drawn to the consistent performance of the car and all the important safety features this car has to offer at a much lower price than Honda. I do, however, like the styling of the Honda better than the Forte. Again, thank you for this excellent review. How the hell do you cram so many words in one breath? Take care.

Great review Alex - spot on. We picked up one of these a few months ago after test driving similar offerings from Honda, Mazda, and Hyundai. The value really sold us, but it's hard to miss the fit and finish and the smile factor when you mash down your right foot. The tuned exhaust is a hoot to listen to - reminds me of MUCH more expensive vehicles from across the pond. Cheers and keep up the great work!

Alex..your description for the 6sp manual equipment is incorrect..it has everything except power seat, cooled seats, radar cruise, but it does have Sunroof, Blind spot monitoring, rear cross-traffic alert , park distance warning, XM radio, Harmon/Kardon Audio, and wireless phone charging..as standard equiptment. That's why it cost more than the base DCT..which doesn't have and any of that premium equiptment only the XM radio, FYI...Alex isn't this for the cost a far better value equipment-wise than Civic SI or Jerra GLI. right?

One thing Alex doesn’t mention, or maybe I missed it. The only way to get adaptive cruise in this car is to get the top of the line GT trim AND the GT2 package. Honda offers this (must have, IMO ) feature across all trims.

I have one in a manual and am loving it. It edged out the civic si and the elantra GT for me because I am really tall and felt kind of cramped in those models but the forte felt surprisingly roomy. Also price point was around 3 grand cheaper so it was a clear winner for me. One fact that people should know is the rev limiter does not bounce, it cuts the throttle.

Bloody ripper review mate! Subscribed.......... Cheers from Australia :D

I guess I got lucky. My GT manual has a powered sunroof, BSM, parking sensors, and HK audio.

@joebrown9621

4 жыл бұрын

you were darn lucky.. i got one before the number crunchers started shaving off the extra bits

@jacobtaylor8975

4 жыл бұрын

Well I also got all of those features. As I understand it, can get a very basic forte GT with the dct and none of those options mentioned. The manual is a higher msrp because it comes with some of the features that you need to pay extra on the dct. The only things missing on my manual is the full leather seats, heated and cooled seats, auto climate, ambient lighting and radar cruise. I think that's it. The manual is a great value and tons of fun.

@thomas02821

4 жыл бұрын

I just bought one with the same specs as well.

@Edriklongtail

4 жыл бұрын

Theirs 2 a GT and then a Loaded GT one.. I got one fully loaded out the door with everything for another 1500 🤷‍♂️

@DanUtley

4 жыл бұрын

That’s how the manual comes.... from my understanding, you can’t get a manual version without those features.

In the first few frames of Alex, it looks like he's sporting a wicked, spiked red hairstyle haha.

@AAutoBuyersGuide

4 жыл бұрын

It's my pandemic hair.

What about comparison with the Civic Sport liftback? Down on power, but manual and auto available and I think has a similar pricing structure as this Forte GT.

I bought the Kia Gt 2 on New Years Eve. I was looking at Honda and Toyota. My biggest criteria was LED lights since I’m older and having a harder time seeing at night with halogen lights. When I saw the Kia at this trim level including ventilated seats it was love at first sight. This is a sporty car with reasonable performance. I also drive a BMW x3 M40I which shocked me the first time I drove it. No cross over should be that fast but BMW has even faster toys. I drive the Kia for work and gets great mileage in smart mode( 37 to 40 mpg on highway). Engine/ transmission are a little rough on start up in the morning but settle in after the engine is up to temperature. Handling is very good with a low center of gravity and good tires. I had a manufacturer’s incentive when I bought it so it was in the 22k price range. For the price it’s a steal.

Man watching this video makes me want this car soooo much sooner than later😍

Exceptional video Alex, can’t wait for you to review the Model Y though..

I have the 2019 Kia Forte Ex. I wish the GT trim was available a year ago. When my lease ends, I may test drive it. I’ve loved having heated and cooled seats. It’s also very rare to find rear air conditioning vents in this class, which is great for road trips. The trunk is actually bigger than current Camry’s, too. Having an automatic transmission would make the Forte much more pleasant to drive. I’m also considering a hatchback or SUV next, too.

@evoartsinc

3 жыл бұрын

I'm sure I'm wrong, but the trunk on the GT actually seems bigger than my base forte that I traded out.

I'm 40 years old. Love my Kia forte GT. the two best cars that I ever owned was a 2003 Toyota Camry and a 1990 Tpyota Supra. The Forte Gt is the perfect combo. It's not Supra level fast (my MK3 ran 12s with pump gas and full interior), but it is super fun and comfy like my old Camry. The Civic just looks to young for me.

Which drives better, the Forte GT with manual or the Elantra GT N Line with manual?

like the color. Kia did an impressive power to weight ratio with this car.

"Fuel economy hasn't exactly been Kia's forte in the past...." I see what you did there.

Coming from someone who drives a GTI and a KIA Sorento I have to say that KIA once again hits the ball out of the park with the new Forte, especially the GT model. If I won a raffle that gave me a choice among the vehicles Alex cites in the video I'd probably opt for the GLI based on my long experience with the GTI and its superb EA888 engine. But I'm not a recent college grad laboring under a massive student loan debt in what is (and will be for quite some time) an uncertain economic climate. Nor am I a family breadwinner with a budget that makes a several thousand dollar price difference a major issue. And for those and many other consumers the Forte's generous dose of features, enjoyable driving dynamics, and extensive bumper-to-bumper and power train warranties make a compelling case for the Forte.

@lindagonzalez9691

4 жыл бұрын

Warranties are only good if they're honored. Dealers try their best to find loopholes to not honor your warranty. You would be a fool to trust Kia/Hyundai's 10 year warranty.

@stephenhendricks103

4 жыл бұрын

@@lindagonzalez9691 Nonsense. In fact, every manufacturer applies firm rules to warranty claims. KIA and Hyundai are no different from any other manufacturer. And if you have any reliable evidence to the contrary, feel free to post it. You won't because it doesn't exist. If you want to criticize KIA/Hyundai's 10 year power train warranty, though, you might want to focus on the fact that very few problems arise in ANY automotive brand in the transmission and engine over a 10 year/100K length of time. In fact, a number of dealers of various brands in my area offer LIFETIME warranties on their new vehicles' engines and transmissions. Since such warranties typically apply only to the original purchaser of a new vehicle and so few problems every arise, either a 10 year or a lifetime warranty is basically a marketing gesture. A somewhat more valuable warranty from a consumer point of view is the bumper-to-bumper warranty offered by manufacturers. But even in those cases a 3 year or 5 year warranty is a good bet for a manufacturer. Again, they're seldom transferable to a second owner and even if they are the vast majority of owners will never have the need to redeem a warranty claim over the period of their ownership. If anything, long warranties are a sign of (a) a manufacturer's confidence in their product and (b) a way to counter worries of risk averse consumers who don't realize that just about every new vehicle will run reliably and without the need for a warranty claim for the entire length of ownership. Reliability concerns are widespread among consumers primarily because a new car is such a major expenditure but a warranty, like any insurance policy, is a far better bet for those who sell them than for those who buy them. If that weren't the case, insurance wouldn't be sold.

@spades512

4 жыл бұрын

@@stephenhendricks103 Well KIA tried to get out of fixing an opening in my passenger seat leather, implying it wasn't a defect and that it was my fault. The car was brand new no one ever sat there

@blarghman332

3 жыл бұрын

Linda Gonzalez you’re talking out of your ass

@stephenhendricks103

3 жыл бұрын

@@spades512 And were they successful in their denial? I thought not.

This Forte GT is good bang for the buck. Great video, as always.

As someone who's been considering a used Civic Si, I will say they hold their value absurdly well. So the price difference might end up being less than it seems. I also think an LSD is a big deal for those looking to track/autocross. I prefer the styling of the Forte though.

@stephenhendricks103

4 жыл бұрын

Resale value is a frequent argument in discussions of the value of some vehicles -- Toyotas and Hondas on the high end and KIAs on the low end. But here's an example that doesn't apply directly to the vehicles reviewed here but may be instructive. In 2012 I purchased a KIA Sorento. The price I paid was over $6000 less than the best offer I received for a comparably equipped Toyota Highlander. Six years later I traded the Sorento for a new model (same top trim). The dealer gave me a price for my trade-in that was about $600 less than the KBB estimate for a comparable (trim and condition) 2012 Highlander trade-in, the resale champ in the category. Simple arithmetic indicates I saved about $5400 on the pair of transactions. The keys, of course, were (a) substantial savings on the original purchase price; (b) keeping the Sorento for six years rather than trading it within a couple of years of its original purchase; and (c) the significant improvement in KIA's resale value over the last decade. Personally, I don't buy vehicles based on my expectation that it will hold its value, especially over a period of five years or more. Vehicles are almost universally depreciating assets and the longer they're owned the less difference in resale value of comparable vehicles. P.S. This comment is aimed at contradicting your post. I suspect that you're correct that the "price difference might end up being less than it seems." But the greater the initial savings and the longer you keep a vehicle, the less it matters.

@chiluco2000

4 жыл бұрын

@@stephenhendricks103 Very interesting perspective, thanks for sharing. I find on my research that KIA reliability has become very stable, at least in the last 3 or 4 years. That has to account into resale value somehow.

@stephenhendricks103

4 жыл бұрын

@@chiluco2000 Yes, it has. In fact, when I sold my 2012 Sorento, the dealer re-sold it 24 hours later for $2000 more than he paid me. We both made out well and that was fine with me.

@TheEquationSlayer

4 жыл бұрын

@@stephenhendricks103 In general I agree; resale value is overrated. But with enthusiast cars, buyers seem to be picky. In my area (Mass), I see a 2013 GTI for $14k, 2013 Civic Si for $16k, 2014 Focus ST for $15k, and a 2015 Forte5 SX for $13k. All ~50k miles. The Kia was $2-3k cheaper, but that savings is gone compared to the Honda/Ford hot hatches.

@andrew.woolman7449

4 жыл бұрын

@@stephenhendricks103 Your (a) and (c) points neutralize each other. As Kia's resale value has gone up, the willingness of Kia dealers to give you a substantial discount off MSRP on new Kias has gone down. I assure you that new Kias/Hyundais do not receive nearly as big as a discount now as it used to in the past. On the other hand, due to the increased competition from Kia/Hyundai, Toyota dealerships are more willing to give a large discount on new Toyotas then they did in the past.

Good review Alex!

Alex keep up the hard work brother you're the best car reviewer on KZread. Your professional sets you apart from reviewers like Redline who resort to profanity to appeal to folks.

@TheAngryDuckman

4 жыл бұрын

Disagreed. SavageGeese is a more entertaining auto reviewer. Alex is good, but more stale.

@noonesbusiness959

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheAngryDuckman I appreciate and respect your opinion though I disagree. AoA has that professionalism the others though they MIGHT be more entertaining just can't seem to achieve but again appreciate your comment brother.

@slowanddeliberate6893

4 жыл бұрын

Redline Reviews and profanity? I've never heard him use profanity...

@mdog2501

4 жыл бұрын

@@slowanddeliberate6893 Maybe not in every video but it's definitely noticeable.

@stephenhendricks103

4 жыл бұрын

Different strokes for different folks and different aims from different reviewers. I happen to agree that Alex provides the most comprehensive, thorough, and detailed reviews on the net and his inclusion of comparisons with rival vehicles in the same market category is especially enlightening. That's why I support this channel. Having said that, though, I find several other reviewers well worth watching, a group that includes Tom Voelk's "Driven" channel, the reviews from Savage Geese, MIcah Musio's perspectives on his own channel as well as KBB, and Sofyan Bey's perspective on Redline. As far as Sofyan's "profanity," I have to say it's pretty rare and typically "beeped." Even if it weren't I'm not especially bothered by the shift in what's considered to be acceptable language in the current world.

Do you know if there will be a hatchback version of this coming to the USA? This seems like a good used car choice.

Excellent review thx

If you're buying the car for it's combination of practicality and fun, it's hard to ignore the fact that when it comes time to trade it in or sell it, a manual is not only worth less money, but it's also harder to unload.

@TassieLorenzo

2 жыл бұрын

So it's worth having less fun with the dual-clutch for the *entire* time you have the car? That doesn't sound right!

@michaellorenson2997

2 жыл бұрын

Don't care.

@AIDAHAR210

Жыл бұрын

I don't care

The car cries in Volkswagen or Audi, hence the chief designer of Hyundai/Kia is the former chief designer from Audi. Not a bad thing!

@curtisfisher1028

4 жыл бұрын

Lol true facts they gave the Forte Gt porche suv headlights. And I think for 26k they did it right you should get alot more for your money why pay 30k for a Honda civic si? Because it surely doesnt beat my Gt in a race

Many journalists complain about torque steer in front wheel drive vehicles, but I think that makes the car more fun

In Poland (Europe) there is no Forte GT model, but there is ProCeed GT. Similar but not the same (Shooting Brake). I've had him for two months and his ride gives a lot of pleasure. Unfortunately, prices in Europe are much higher. My car cost over 32,000 USD.

How does this trim deal with bumps? My lxs trim sucks pretty bad with bumps

I'm sure the Koreans will do a better job than Ford, but I still don't trust DCTs in cheap compact cars

@james2042

4 жыл бұрын

theyve been using the same DCT for some time now, and its been pretty flawless

@andrew.woolman7449

4 жыл бұрын

Even Sofyan admits that it feels and sounds rough when driving it. He didn't seem comfortable with it at all. I remember Ford Fiesta and Focus drivers would have the same complaint. I would be worried about long-term reliability.

@casualsuede

4 жыл бұрын

Well, you do get 10 yrs/ 100k warranty so at least you're protected...until you want sell the car.

@stephenhendricks103

4 жыл бұрын

Not sure if you consider a GTI a "cheap compact car" but its DCT is awesome and durable.

@2010ngojo

4 жыл бұрын

@@stephenhendricks103 28000 starting? Not exactly cheap.

Good review but it is so hard to find a forte gt2 package.😭😭😭

@Ichibuns

3 жыл бұрын

You pretty much have to order them. The downside is that most of the dealer discounts are voided when you don't buy a car that's sitting on the lot.

Alex thanks for informing us that this Kia does NOT have a wet clutch dct yet. That's one important decision making factor. Plus it doesn't have an LSD of course.

Great Review !

Everybody wants a Honda Civic Si, but most of the people that are buying new “faster” compact sedans don’t want a manual Honda Civic Si with no leather/heated/ventilated seats. Back then, the Acura Integra, RSX, EL, CSX, TSX, ILX, and even the coupè Honda Prelude filled the gap somewhat: a more comfortable, just as fun and reliable, affordable Honda Civic Si with an automatic transmission option. There is a legitimate reason why many owners of the Preludes, Integras, EL, RSX, CSX, and TSX still love their cars even decades later. Nowadays, with Acura ILX base prices soaring and new redesigns absent, the Kia Forte GT and Hyundai Elantra N-line (former known as the Elantra Sport) gladly take its place. Hyundai and Kia reliability is still a bit of a gamble for now, but the trends point upwards and away from the tragic catastrophic engine fires/recalls of years past. The low MSRP, value proposition, and 10 year warranty seal the deal. As a value oriented brand, Nissan especially, is feeling the sting. Mitsubishi’s Lancer got squeezed out of the market too along with Ford, Chevorlet, and Dodge’s sedans. I hope Honda releases a new Civic Si with a manual and an automatic transmission option with leather/heated/ventilated seats soon. And I hope Acura slashes the prices on their ILX to more competitive and reasonable levels. Because the Kia Forte GT and Hyundai Elantra N-Line could use some stronger competition. But then again, sales in this segment are so pitifully low, it might not even be worth fighting the battle anymore. First the affordable compact sports coupe’s died in the 2000’s, next the affordable compact sports sedans soon follow. Now that’s just heartbreaking. 😔

@thechannelflow7840

3 жыл бұрын

Honda redesigned the civic si for 2022

I just bought one at a discounted price of 20k plus tax and fees. The best way to describe it is it's a great value, especially if you compare it to a Corolla SE and XSE sedans. As for the Civic Si, they have their own customers. So I can really give an opinion on that. All I can say, it's a fun manual transmission Turbo economy sedan.

@lindagonzalez9691

4 жыл бұрын

So you ended up paying around 22k out the door, including taxes and fees and that's a discount and great value to you? Orale Orale holmes, you're a pendejo. You can buy a new 2020 Corolla SE sedan for 20k out the door as long as you negotiate hard so it's 2k cheaper than Forte GT. The 2020 Corolla SE manual has auto rev matching, looks better, and will be more reliable with the naturally aspirated engine.

@richl1319

4 жыл бұрын

Linda Gonzalez I actually like the look of the forte better

@joebrown9621

4 жыл бұрын

@@lindagonzalez9691 A Corolla SE isn't even close when comparing the Forte GT , if u want a preppier Corolla sure get a SE.. if you want a little injection of Sport the Forte is the way to go it feels way different my friend.. plus Toyota eco engine pushed i find still sip a little oil.. but not saying they aren't reliable

@joebrown9621

4 жыл бұрын

@@lindagonzalez9691 the best way to put it is if you commute in a single lane area and a big rig is ahead the Forte you put ur foot down and pass.. the Corolla you better wait

@thivakarsaravanamuthu4744

4 жыл бұрын

@@joebrown9621 the Corolla 2.0 169hp is more then enough for passing a truck or car on the freeway . 30 hp isn't much power

Is the adaptive cruise full stop and go? I’m guessing not with the manual parking brake.

@z28kindaguy

4 жыл бұрын

Keep in mind, if you want SCC (Kia calls it smart cruise control) you have to buy the top of the line GT trim AND their GT2 package.

The manual Forte GT can be a bit of trouble to find. I bought it in Black but if you have a very specific color in mind. You will likely be driving a long distance or wait for an order to be fulfilled. I actually couldn't find any of the DCT variant with the GT2 package. It's also worth noting that while the manual cant get all the options on the GT2. It does come with more than the basic DCT. As far as options go, it sits right between the DCT GT and the DCT GT2. That's why it costs a bit more.

Would the Kia Forte 2.0 be better if they had turbo that instead and added all the bells and whistles to it? How much power would come out of that bad boy? Anyways, buy me one Alex on Autos

I purchased mine a couple days ago and I got in blue with the gt2 package. I also got it as a automatic because it's dct, if they didn't offer the dct I would for sure get a manual.

@Gropmag215

2 жыл бұрын

How is it holding up so far?

Panda has a piggyback chip for the 2020 Forte GT. With no other mods the chip produced an additional 70 hp and 90 lb ft at the wheel. That is an almost 30% increase in horsepower and 50% increase in torque. Amazing!

@timothyryan2847

Жыл бұрын

Do they offer one for a 2023 forte gt? I like it ,but ,more power is always good.

Perfect timing. I’m considering both of these vehicles and have owned two Si’s previously.

@buildmorefarms1007

4 жыл бұрын

Which are you leaning towards and why?

@caglioso

4 жыл бұрын

I’ve tested both. The Si is the better car overall and I specifically liked the nicer materials, gauges, and refinement. It’s more engaging and just much more fun to drive. However if you’re on a budget the forte is a solid choice and will get the job done for some cheap speed, especially with a manual.

@Wizerud

4 жыл бұрын

@@buildmorefarms1007 I am leaning towards the Forte. With real world dealer discounts, the GT with GT2 package ends up being around $3k cheaper than an Si. I will miss the limited slip diff but it seems the Forte still handles very nicely. With the current rona situation I may end up driving a lot less than I used to so it makes sense to spend less money on driving itself. I'm just looking for the cheapest vehicle I can find with an acceptable level of fun and features which is well built and probably reliable. I'm not sure there's any vehicle priced below the GT that would satisfy all of those criteria, for me personally at least.

@M4B21S88

3 жыл бұрын

@@caglioso guys says "if youre on a budget the forte is a solid choice" when both cars are pretty much similar in price...my GT2 Forte had a MSRP of $26,350 got it for 25k...Even if you buy a non GT2, there really isnt a huge difference in monthly payments bc of 2-3k less...its probably like $25-$35 less / month...other factors are more important such interest rates and down payments/positive equities. Forte is underrated...its capable of generating 212-221 engine HP, and typically dyno 195-200 lb-ft torque at the wheels. 0-60: 6.31 1/8 mi: 9.45 @ 77.4 mph 1/4 mi 14.59@ 95.75 mph All timed with my dragy, no launching, streets, w/ DCT.

What color is this Forte GT?

Certainly looks like Kia does not want to you buy the Forte with a manual transmission and as you report the DCT is probably a better choice, but I drive a Golf with 6 speed manual and easily get 40+ highway mpg and saved $1000 over the cost of the VW auto. But if I was in the market for this Kia I would choose the auto......hoping it does not develop any problems.

A base Civic Si ? Just what are the options beside the summer tires ?

@Bondovw

4 жыл бұрын

Mud flaps . Locking lugs

I think rear air and rear cupholder armrests are such small details but are such a premium selling point. Creature comforts keep it up KIA!

See there's that negative tag some of these reviewers keep putting on Kia that plays into the negative perception of Kia. " Budget". Why not replace that with "Affordable". Great car and despite the description, a good review.

Do you really prefer the direct shift over a manual? I was thinking of getting a manual just for the fun factor, not trying to beat anyone to 60. Any thoughts on the clutch/shifter?

@jaredshelton4718

4 жыл бұрын

Kia's DCT is very nice.

@curtisfisher1028

4 жыл бұрын

Bro Kias dct is very nice Albert m heiman from BMW m division helped with these cars

@curtisfisher1028

4 жыл бұрын

While your driving notice you have to push the pedal to the floor and the computer finally decides to downshift? Well just like bmws dct you can downshift the pedal it will throw it in lowest gear and continue to stay in dct mode

Interesting that the manual is more expensive yet has alot less driver safety features and just features in general. I wonder why.

No lie this is hard. GLI or GT really? any thoughts honestly? ( I am currently driving a 2014 Honda Civc EX CVT) .

@Bondovw

4 жыл бұрын

Performance wise the GLI. If you want a little better warranty and a sunroof get the kia. I have the 2020 gli s and like it. I didn't want a sunroof. It was about the same price as a kia. Still cheaper than a si.

@andrewperbegloo6219

4 жыл бұрын

@@Bondovw If I do go GLI do you reccomend any color to look at? I am liking that Pure Grey but thanks for the input it helps!

With the current incentives the Acura ILX withe the K24 engine and 8speed DCT should considered. Since is based on the previous gen Civic space isn’t as good as the 10th gen, some features found on the Civic are missing on the ILX, and the infotainment while better for ILX is still dated, but with this said the ILX hands down has the most brand cachet, most premium styling, and the the K24 is bullet proof while the 8 speed DCT is a home run by Honda. Just a fun little car and when paired with the cosmetic ASPEC package the car again is the best looking car ou5 of any of the cars mentioned

Man I really hope they bring the wagon here in the states.

I would like to know how it compares to Alfa Giulietta or Ford Focus, as comparing it to any WV car is nonsensical from an enthusiast drivers perspective.

I imagine a few manufacturers do the same, but I dislike separating the turn signal lights and putting them way low on the bumper in relation to the brake lights. It forces you to pay attention to two different areas. Just keep 'em together, or at least in close proximity.

@nreeldeep1

3 жыл бұрын

Paying attention to MANY different areas. It's called driving. Everyone does it everyday. As in driving, your peripheral vision will allow you to notice a blinking light on the bumper as you absent mindedly glance at the tail lights.

I'm debating between this new Forte with the GT2 package and the DCT and a slightly used 2018 VW GTI with a DSG and 8k miles for about 23K. A little on the concerned about the reliability on the VW, especially since it is used and the Kia has such a long warranty to begin with. Any suggestions?

@fighter835

4 жыл бұрын

New car with a 10 year warranty sounds like a much better deal. Worry free driving ftw.

@curtisfisher1028

4 жыл бұрын

Bro go with the forte gt,beats stock honda civic si and has stage 1 stage 2 tunes 240-270hp and 300-340hp

Alex, I enjoy your reviews, but you have a big error here when talking about the specs on the manual transmission model. The MT version does include many of the features you can only get on the GT2 package with the DCT, including the sunroof, Harmon Kardon stereo, blind spot monitoring, and lane-keep assist. That's why the MT model costs more than the DCT, unless you add the GT2 package to it. That said, I gave this car a long look before opting for a Civic Si. For me a MT was non-negotiable, and when Honda added adaptive cruise to the 2020 Si, that clinched it for me, and I couldn't be happier. But if I were looking for a car with a DCT, I would definitely consider the Kia GT2. Although, when I was shopping I found it annoying that nearly all the GT2s on the lots came with the summer tires. I understand why some would want them, but living in the NE USA I would have no interest in the added expense of buying all-seasons on my own, or buying and switching out with winter tires twice a year.

@M4B21S88

3 жыл бұрын

Damn, all the GT2 in your area came with summer tires? SMH, my GT2 w/ DCT came with A/S....lol...I think they're standard in the GT2 w/ the manual. Could be wrong, though.

WOW now I want one.

You didn't mention rear backup sensors which isn't common in smaller compact cars.

The Gt is so fun to drive. I've been driving mine now for a month. So happy. If you drive it you may buy it.

@paulriccio5333

3 жыл бұрын

I traded in my GLI for it. I just wish the sport mode would stay engaged. It doesn't on the manual GT anyways. I don't miss much from the GLI. Especially don't miss the awful VW company

@juanmacias9371

3 жыл бұрын

@@paulriccio5333 I am between buying the GT and GLI. What makes VW awful? Thanks

Hey.. I would like an affordable, fun daily driver. I'm not racing anyone to work but want something that has some pep and handling when I push it.. As a city dweller, I'm not looking for a manual transmission as well. Also looking at the new Elantra and the new redesigned Sentra.. Gotta put this on my list as well.

I just want to know when the Forte hatchback will appear in the U. S. (if ever).

Si 0-60 times with civic ex market pricing(or less), availability, and automatic transmission mass appeal. Enthusiasts will appreciate the si's refinement. The average person whose never drove anything similar won't miss anything

This, or the Elantra GT N - Line will be my next car. I'm holding off at least one more year or so to see if Kia will pull thru and bring the hatch version to the States cause I'm really needing the extra space but I prefer the styling of the Forte over the Elantra. I've waited 2 years for the redesigned Forte5, and when I found out it wasn't coming to the States I was absolutely gutted. My current daily is an Spectra5 SX and can't see giving up the hatch.

@_dmfd

4 жыл бұрын

Update lol - I ended up having to get a 2020 MK7 Jetta. Our daily died last week and there was no Forte GT2s in stock ANYWHERE near me. I'm still pissed but the Jetta is nice.

I like all Kia cars! I might buy this car Alex.

The NEW Snazzy Trasitioning Graphic is very phychedlic Grooovy.

I’m looking forward to the all new Hyundai 2021 GT N Line. It’s new interior tech is above the competition, just hoping they massage the powertrain

Have a 2023 forte gt with DCT THIS CAR IS A UNBELIEVABLE BARGAIN and it’s fast and full of tech 😊

Cooled seats!A must!

@andrew.woolman7449

4 жыл бұрын

says the guy who drives a base mitsubishi mirage lol!

You do not loose the Harman kardon system. I have the base manual with the harmen kardon.

Ive got the same engine in my forte Koup. 15’ it goes hard

For a family man who desperately wants a small fun to drive car, but knows that I've got a family and gear to fit, I pay a LOT of attention to trunk size. The Forte's trunk is larger than a Camry's for example. And while I generally prefer sedans to smoke and mirror hatchbacks that end up being less cargo-friendly, I am curious how this compares to the Hyundai GT N-line hatchback. Same engine I think, no? It is also available with a manual transmission. Furthermore, in a world where new cars are heavy on infotainment tech/controls, light on physical buttons/controls, I continually hear that Hyundai/Kia have their systems dialed to be user-friendly above everyone else. Also I found it interesting and not surprising that Hyundai/Kia, according to Matt Moran Motors, do ventilated seats really well--better than Matt's wife's Mercedes apparently! If this is all true, it seems to me in fact that the Hyundai/Kia value proposition has stepped beyond a simple dollar and cents calculation, (we're cheaper and have better warranties) and are now producing vehicles that are actually better from a day to day livability point of view as well.

does it have an independent rear?? How's the handling??

@q-bert6454

4 жыл бұрын

focus2016 My rear is independent, it farts on its own all the time, at least that’s what I tell my wife!

@M4B21S88

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, what it doesnt have is LSD.

Did this one have that loud sports exhaust? That's the forte's party trick if you ask me. Sounds awesome

@stevenr1354

4 жыл бұрын

It's piped in audio

@danielboyd7810

4 жыл бұрын

@@stevenr1354 That's not what I am referring to. The forte GT has an optional sport exhaust which has a throaty growl and has lots of pops and bangs. Probably similar to the I30N set up but it sounds a little different

@sammyh.748

4 жыл бұрын

@@danielboyd7810 Its not optional, for the GT it's standard.

A C+ for cabin noise is disappointing. It's a shame they couldn't add a little extra sound proofing in the top level trim. That would add weight, so perhaps an extra 10hp/10lb/ft.... :)

This is a phenomenal car plain and simple. Great value, awesome sounding exhaust, great features there really isn't much to hate about it.

Weird, my manual Forte GT has a sunroof, blind spot monitoring, wireless phone charger, Harmon Kardon radio 8 speaker with a powered subwoofer, and rear parking warning, . Alex must not have realised that you do get a partial premium package with the manual. Just not heated/cooled/power/full pleather seats or adaptive cruise control.

Honda has a dual clutch transmission for their Acura line. It’s proven to be a pretty good transmission. I wonder why they don’t use it in Honda models

@theodorekell

4 жыл бұрын

Because if you come to Honda dealer, you are just a layman. Laymen don't get the goods. Goods are for those who understands in goodness

Is a beautiful looking car and has best bumpper to bumpper warranty in the business!!!

I love they offer this in the automatic as well. Allows everyone to play.

Big fan of this Forte GT. Not so much of his Matrix glasses. Anyways, I'll get this GT over any Civic Si any day...

@extremeencounter7458

3 жыл бұрын

I did and I couldn’t be happier. Great car all around, just need to throw in some bolt on goodies and a tune