Is it a yes or no from you?

@12zxgglol

Жыл бұрын

I will definitely buy it

@jpersa2869

Жыл бұрын

No. Troy total war reskin.

@Geredis089

Жыл бұрын

I'm up for it...eventually. I'm cautiously optimistic, but won't be making a concrete decision until pretty much day-of the release.

@petertong572

Жыл бұрын

probably no, too close to troy. /still waiting for Empire 2.

@juliusdamsholt1222

Жыл бұрын

i hope it is gonna be good and i think CA is going in the right direction. But if you narrow your eyes down and look at the gameplay would you be able to tell if it was a troy dlc/mod or total war pharoh. i cant.....

I personally loved Attila for shaking things up with a new approach to campaign. Not just building an empire from scratch, but also surviving the apocalypse of Hun invasion and all the disasters coming with it. Time period of Rome's fall was also pretty unexplored in media, so there was lots of room to bring something new to the table. Bronze Age collapse will most likely bring in a similar experience.

@fureszadam3160

Жыл бұрын

Rome total war had an expansion called barbarian invasion. Basically Attila is just an improved version of barbarian invasion. So Attila is not the first in the tw franchise to explore this time period. But yeah its a very good game.

@almightybogza

11 ай бұрын

That game was way too unbalanced. Every ranged unit was worth its weight in gold. Compared to rome 2 which was about melee, atilla was literally a ranged circlejerk. On top of that the romans are literally the worst in the game, bad stats,expensive and get outclassed. The huns have better infantry.. HOW ?

@masterexploder9668

11 ай бұрын

@@almightybogza Early Roman units have great armor, but troops themselves are not the same juggernauts they used to be. It was also real in history, as Romans started to rely more and more on federati to do their fighting for them. In the final period Roman army didn't look that different from a Barbarian army invading their lands. WRE could actually still win battles against some really bad odds, but western provinces were pretty poor and badly governed compared to the east. As a result soldiers could be left without pay, so there were mutinies, rebellions and desertions as state treasure was empty and you had idiots like Honorius or Valentinian in charge. In Attila game, I found my roster to be improving over time, especially after introducing weapon and armor upgrades as empire was regaining it's footing.

@almightybogza

10 ай бұрын

@@masterexploder9668 Bro the romans were still a great army. They failed because they were attacked from everywhere. Armour means nothing in game, its tetsudo or nothing. You use tetsudo to cheese the enemy and make them waste all their ammo. You can raze most cities as a buffer and that will stop anyone from coming to you. Atilla is overrated. There are many reasons why nobody plays it.

@narcick1018

10 ай бұрын

@@almightybogzathe only reasone i stopped is because the optimization is fucked , other than that the game is good if you use a couple mods

let me guess, no blood and we have to pay 10 dollars for the blood

@Damokles98

Жыл бұрын

Every Time…..

@agonsfitness7308

Жыл бұрын

And it never goes on sale.

@snubbull7309

Жыл бұрын

10? More like 3 isn't it, has always been this way ever since Shogun 2

@BickleyLTO

Жыл бұрын

@@snubbull7309 I feel like you're defending this... Weird flex

@tylerman39

Жыл бұрын

@@BickleyLTO you can be against it but still not be dramatic about it. 3 bucks is dumb but if it has cool new animations to go with it I dont mind paying them for their work

For a £50 game, there needs to be more for the consumer than an enhanced Troy

@QixTheDS

Жыл бұрын

They sold the same game 3 times for $60, your expectations are too high.

@worlddd7777

Жыл бұрын

@@QixTheDS But they said in 2015 that Warhammer will come in 3 parts. Of course its same game. And yes, price was little bit too much

@QixTheDS

Жыл бұрын

@@worlddd7777 Yeah I know, that’s exactly my point. One game split into 3, but each individually costing more than it should’ve even if you had made it a single release. So with that kind of bullshit, OP saying that they need more for the consumer at $50 than just a reskin, is asking for way too much from CA.

@roguewasbanned4746

Жыл бұрын

Enhanced trash is still trash

@johnsamuel1999

Жыл бұрын

​@@QixTheDS its not the same game, each game came with completely different maps, factions and unique features for the respective faction. The only thing to tie them together is the immortal empire dlc

They should've skipped total war Troy and pooled the resources to make a more expansive game covering way more areas.

@Rexini_Kobalt

Жыл бұрын

but if they didnt do that then they couldnt just reskin troy for the next few games at a fraction of the cost of _actually making something_

@roguewasbanned4746

Жыл бұрын

Yeah a Bronze Age total war is what should have happened

@BassFlapper

11 ай бұрын

The amount of resources doesn't matter if you are creatively bankrupt...

@dom-ct6ie

11 ай бұрын

wait for it... a couple more titles and then if u have them all you can play the bronze age one

@hannes0000

10 ай бұрын

Troy should have been full game not saga, with more factions hitties etc and larger map.

I hope some independent gaming company decides to create a game that's similar but better than what CA is making.

@KeyOneGodSun

10 ай бұрын

It's our only hope. They get away with alot of stuff bc they know there is no competitor so no competition means all-out ridiculousness, buggy broken games, reducing modability, lazy patching, minimal dlc content that doesn't really add to the games as much as they cost.

@williamrice6790

10 ай бұрын

@@KeyOneGodSun Some gangster shit with those dlc's...i agree 100$

I refuse to preorder in this current gaming climate just to basically beta test for a studio. This game will be a strong “Wait and see”

@whybother7632

Жыл бұрын

i dislike how everyone is saying it is a disaster even though it was just announced

@hildus7222

Жыл бұрын

@@whybother7632 It might be a masterpiece and revitalize the historical genre, I just think people have gotten a bit jaded about preordering games. Even Warhammer 3, which I now enjoy, was pretty bad when it dropped. Massive letdown

@Tundrawrath

11 ай бұрын

​@@hildus7222well so far it looks like a Troy dlc , adding a few mechanics won't change it , but we will see , my guess is of it works you gonna see docs , if not much you gonna see mythical/mythological creatures to spice up things and get some coin from the other player base.

@bahamut149

11 ай бұрын

@@whybother7632 It will be, I see heathbar i know for sure that this game will not belong to historical gene as they claim.

if you are going for historical accuracy it is very realistic that they are fight in the way they do in the older total war games, no one would be flaling their sword around in that way. So from a historical pov it makes a lot of sense

@zac8543

Жыл бұрын

This a historical release of a CA studio called Sofia. Who made Troy. This isn't a main historical title by the main studio development team

@snubbull7309

Жыл бұрын

@@zac8543 Troy was a part of the saga series which is the reason it wasn't "mainline" historical, that and the mythic stuff they played around with. This isn't a "saga" title though so Pharaoh IS in fact a mainline historical title. Just deveolped by the Sofia branch.

@DebasedAnon

Жыл бұрын

If you're going for historical accuracy having the meta be "focus archers on heavily armored units" already shits on the entirety of anything resembling "historical accuracy". This is before we even mention the fact that the foundation would need to be ripped up and redone entirely because all of the physics based interactions that made the old TW's masterpieces have been entirely gutted from Rome 2 onwards.

@zac8543

Жыл бұрын

@Timick 7 question or Trina start shit

@zac8543

Жыл бұрын

@Timick 7 I love when peasants bring me a beer... I get chickens! Relevance to a point you are applying to. Is needed. Take my spreadasssheet

The guys at 11:14 are actually Sea people mercs, and some of them came from the Aegean, so some them looking like the units from Troy makes sense.

@davidlindsey6111

11 ай бұрын

No one actually knows 100% where they came from. So it’s all just guess work

@ancienthistorygaming

11 ай бұрын

@@davidlindsey6111 The Lukka are the only ones we know 100% sure.

@michaelweston409

11 ай бұрын

Sea peoples were an assortment of different ethnicities & cultures all uniformly attacking the rich Bronze Age civilizations for their resources. Technically speaking sea peoples could come from anywhere. There were cases of sea people coming from as far away as France, Spain, Italy, France, Morocco or even Scandinavia. Not to mention invaders from the far east, or steppes or even sub Saharan Africa.

@danielgeci4513

11 ай бұрын

The sea people, as you're eluding to, are a loose band of various mercs that represent vastly diverse cultures. What's alarming about this video and channel is the creator here doesn't seem to know who the sea people were historically or how directly responsible they were for the collapse of the bronze age trade routes. It was mainly sea peoples and famine that ended the bronze age. He also said in this video that we never got the history of Egypt in a total war game, but we still aren't getting that. Egyptian empire is literally 1-2000 years old by the collapse of the bronze age in this game. He also stated in this crappy video that the Babylonian empire predates the Egyptian empires which is ridiculous and shows this guy has no idea what he is talking about

Imagine a historical medieval 3 total war or Empire Total War, I would pre order it right now if I could

@FloatingOer

Жыл бұрын

Never pre-order

@roguewasbanned4746

Жыл бұрын

This is the same quality you would get though. You’d preorder and they’d still put out a bad game. CA has yet to prove themselves to not just put out reskins. This game just looks so much like Troy and 3K, idk how you could sell this game over what someone could mod into troy. Medieval 3/empire 2 would just be a Warhammer-like reskin mascarading as a modern successor to those games, with all the dumbed down and simplified features to boot.

@gavinwang7886

Жыл бұрын

We probably still need to play medieval mod in total war Attila for at least 2 years.

@joshc1394

Жыл бұрын

​@@roguewasbanned4746 Spot on

@icheko2498

Жыл бұрын

For real dude. Fuck Egypt give me MTW3 or a proper remake of empire. It had so much potential but they fucked it up with that new engine.

I feel like developers should hire modders as creative consultants

@sephiroaone-of-nine101

10 ай бұрын

God no

*still wait for Empire 2 with the rest of the world.

@barryb90

Жыл бұрын

I think you and I are in the minority.

@1anfinity08

Жыл бұрын

​@@barryb90 nah there are a lot of people who actually wants an Empire 2. Just look at the comments on this video for exampls

@cegesh1459

Жыл бұрын

I don't. Empire has likely the smallest fan base lol.

@barryb90

Жыл бұрын

@@1anfinity08 I hope so. I felt as I was alone for years, people gave it nothing but a hard time when it came out.

@1anfinity08

Жыл бұрын

@@barryb90 yeah I actually liked the time setting too, I think the game just poorly implemented it.

Agreed about the UI, tbh I felt the same about Troy.. as a seasoned TW player, it took a bit too long to get used to. Honestly, wish they’d revisit the gunpowder era again.. Empire 2, perhaps set in the Seven Year’s War that involved Europe and the Americas, or something..

@Superbatmanbro

11 ай бұрын

I think that idea total wars and have 4 campaigns that you can choose which the the first one you’re Idea and the 2 campaign is the start of the 18th century and the 3 is after the Napoleonic wars and starts off in 1821 when napoleon died and all the other revolutions start and the 4th is the Victoria era.

I was just thinking how 15 years ago I was stunned by medieval 2 and empire total war. I thought that hour-long realistic 50-100k army battles and super detailed maps are just around the corner. I was sooo wrong! The creative assembly has been an embarrassment living on their old glory!

Imagine thinking that watching two groups of units flailing weapon attack animations at each other is better then actually seeing them clash blades and look like they are physically fighting each other

@joeyawiki3315

Жыл бұрын

Imagine that you can't ganking up on the enemy because the animation only allowed you to fight in 1 v 1 combat

@oprime0078

Жыл бұрын

@@joeyawiki3315 easy, extend the formation of your troops and envelope the enemy unit with more troops from your own unit at once, just don’t extend it too far cause some units might bulldoze through. As for fighting, infantry fighting, especially with formation units or disciplined troops is rarely a bar brawl mosh pit because breaking ranks cause more troops to be killed, wounded or exhausted and greatly reduces the unit in questions stabilization. Because if your in a formation the guys behind you are lending weight to your position and covering where you can’t. You for example looking at Roman Maniples or Greek Phalanx you can see exactly what happens when an unorganized mob attempts to attack a well coordinated and dense block of infantry.

@joeyawiki3315

Жыл бұрын

@@oprime0078 In this case it is tied down to animation so no outside entity contact happens during the match animation fighting aside from 1v1 dueling entity. you can see shogun 2 as an example for that.

@oprime0078

Жыл бұрын

@@joeyawiki3315 define “outside entity contact” because last I checked charging in more units caused more of an enemy unit to be engaged and both fight and die, plus seeing soldiers actually fighting always looks better then people flailing the same combat animation at each other and seeing a couple soldiers dying of a heart attack while an enemy sword goes sweeping past them. It’s both more realistic and looks better in my opinion, hell with the pervasive use of single entity units now makes it look even more stupid. Love seeing one guy get surrounded by a gaggle of enemy troops all flailing at him with no visible impact or weight carried

@joeyawiki3315

Жыл бұрын

@oprime0078 it's like when the fight goes on and other people in the formation can't attack a pair of people that are currently stuck in the dueling animation(sword crashing, rooling to avoid damage etc.) until the animation end. I'm sorry if it is not clear enough since it's hard to describe with non native language

We’re still using Rome fucking 2 engine. That’s the true problem

8:52 - Matched combat btw is one of the best things they’ve announced is returning. No more soldiers just poking spears at each other

@JipFox

Жыл бұрын

True, I don't understand why people don't like this addition. It just brings more life to battles.

@alphabromega859

Жыл бұрын

@@JipFox because it sucks major, huge ass in actual reality. A unit can be surrounded by 10,15 times the numbers yet with matched combat only 1 on 1 combat can be engaged. Like a parody of a hong kong wushu film from the 70s where the goons just line up 1 by 1 to fight the hero. It’s genuinely insanely stupid.

@JipFox

Жыл бұрын

@@alphabromega859 It's still unfortunate for me that they didn't improve this feature. They could've evolved to 2v1 or 4v1 matched combat animations if someone was surrounded by enemies. I understand that this is too much to ask but it makes watching battles more entertaining if you choose to watch a battle replay. If there isn't going to be matched combat in the future, CA should at least make it so weapons actually touch someone like in Medieval 2.

@stevenicholson7488

Жыл бұрын

@@JipFox Because the battles themselves are the same thing for ten years.

@zac8543

Жыл бұрын

Not pure marched combat. * it's matched combat animations

I dont really care about animation or graphics in total war. The only I really care is the feel of every battles, like shogun felt so satisfying whereas 3k felt like 2 bricks smashing each other until one unti almost dies

@shiroamakusa8075

Жыл бұрын

The battles in S2 sucked, they were short and anti-climactic. Even shorter than in arcadey Warhammer in fact.

@Robin-sf3gk

11 ай бұрын

Left out the Muskets i think Napoleon had the most thought out Battles. Only thing that's bothering me a lot there is the morality. You wipe out 150 of 180 troops, they flee and than reorganize. And then after battle they are still a small army which flees and loots your land. Despite that factor, it feels the most strategic Total War.

@alkalkalk8152

11 ай бұрын

​@@shiroamakusa8075which total war games do you like?

It's pretty crazy that the games with monsters, magic, and insane unit diversity is more polished and has a better UI than the historical titles where all they need to do is edit humans. I hope they really put in some work on the MAIN historical games and don't just rinse and repeat these glorified expansion packs.

@shiroamakusa8075

Жыл бұрын

BWHAHA! Warhammer and "polished", crazy fanboy shilling here, huh?

@youtubedeletedmynamewhybother

Жыл бұрын

@@shiroamakusa8075 More polished than the historical titles yea xD Shogun 2 is the only TW game i see actually receive praise from everybody. The rest of them? You're the crazy fanboy bruh.

@shiroamakusa8075

Жыл бұрын

@@youtubedeletedmynamewhybother This only proves you are a troll who doesn't know what he's talking about. Warhammer is right now getting LAMBASTED for the glut of bugs and design flaws that were introduced in the last patch and all the bugs that have been persistent since WH1. Pluse WH3 has been dumbed down into becoming so bland and boring, a dead man could ace it on legendary. It's a game for casual mobile gamers.

@raskolnikov6443

Жыл бұрын

@@shiroamakusa8075why so aggressive and arrogant? Weird…

@shiroamakusa8075

Жыл бұрын

@@raskolnikov6443 I can be arrogant in the presence of dumb mobile gaming whales. They're the lowest of the low, worthy only to get stepped on and smeared across the pavement.

Clarification. This is CA Sofia! Who made Troy. Main studio UK is working on a historical one

@alexeivasiliev7766

Жыл бұрын

Or on Hyenas :D

Honestly that's what Egypt depicted the sea people's as looking like

Weather conditions only make sense if that battles are long enough. If battles are only 5-7 mins long then it’ll take the immersion out imo

It would be cool if they had the AI do coastal raids where they raise your settlement then back to the water and disappear off the map for awhile, so you gotta always be worried your coast is threatened

The sea people's were quite real what an odd question

'People' has always been saying that Total War will end right even when Rome Total War was announced. Few people that I know (online) that has not come to the game just because Rome Total War changes the mouse click, different from what they're used to back in Shogun and Medieval Total War days. 'People' has said that Total War will end when CA announced Warhammer 10 years ago. 'People' have said that Total War will end when CA announced Three Kingdoms. I'm pretty sure 'people' will always claim that Total War will end as long as CA did not announce another Medieval/Empire games...

small maps that you can make smaller with fire sounds problematic. but I do like the dynamic fire. good idea. the stances look potentially like a good addition. in some play throughs I noticed issues with the chariots. collusion with infantry not having proper animations for example. so far it looks like full price for troy with the reintroduction of mechanics they stripped away over the years. One thing I want to know how they are dealing with factions. I read it had 8 factions, but only saw three nations with a few choices of leaders. they counting each leader as a faction? and if you pick on Pharaoh do you fight against the other three? even though they each ruled at different times? perhaps I am jaded but I am suspicious of overhype and wordplay from them and any triple a developer.

@joes5010

Жыл бұрын

They have shown off some maps in a journalist release with a few battles in and the siege map looks big enough that a few fires wont be problematic but that was only 1 map, haven't seen the others yet. As for factions it is a 4, 2, 2 split between Egyptian, Canaanite and Hittite cultures and you dont start as a Pharaoh or high king, you gain the influence required and challenge the sitting ruler in a civil war. They didnt directly say what you do with other playable factions but best guess is compete with but not necessarily against them for influence and power. Not all of the 4 would have become Pharaoh they seem to be 4 influential nobles in the Egyptian kingdom with 1 of them being Ramesses III who went on to be Pharaoh but this is when his father is still alive so he is a landed heir. You dont have Ramesses I through IV all alive at once you have Ramesses III who went on to be Pharaoh and 3 other influential rulers from the Egyptian kingdom from the same time period.

@jlickley1118

Жыл бұрын

@@joes5010 thanks that sounds much more interesting than what I read. maybe I am just pining for the good old days of rome medieval 2 and empire. empire with a good multiplayer campaign system could be amazing, but at least this is a new era that no one looks at.

@kingjamestres

Жыл бұрын

I'm sorry are you saying Total War battle maps are small? I mean city/settlement sure but their land maps?

Few considerations about new addictions: fire effects in field battles were already present since Attila and have been implemented in 3K; fire effects in sieges were the core of huns and other raiders factions in Attila; they cited the sea people but i bet no naval battle will be in the game (as naval sieges). The only addition is weather's changes during the battles BUT i hope that would not be abused. For the rest, the game is Troy.

Why would the 1v1 fighting be a problem? That was my favorite part of Empire-Attila battles

bigger maps battle maps (siege maps are huge but battle maps seem to be small) and nice and large unit sizes would go a long way in making the game look more interesting. Regarding the 1 on 1 animations, i hope they implement it in a proper manner like medieval where you still had multiple units poking 1 unit and sometimes a 1 on 1 animation/finish, currently it seems to be a mixture of poking and responce combined with regular animations which i am fine with. And also pls up the battle duration of a basic map battle to around 15 minutes at least, yes 7 minutes i more than the former 3-5 minutes like in warhammer but battles are supposed to be a big selling point of the total war series and it doesn't make sense to get them over with that fast.

i don't get the problem of 1v1 between units? do you prefer than they swing their weapon and randomly deal damage?

@darekbaird

Жыл бұрын

I want the 1V1 back but more refined for formation fights (be best if they'd break down if outflanked or shattered) Or just goes back to Medieval 2 where hits were actually calculated by what we saw. A shield could block, armor did work, and hits had to connect. There were also executions.

@karlthebarbarian9875

11 ай бұрын

It makes little to no sense in a battle between formations, and ensures that a larger unit can't overwhelm a smaller unit since the battle will be a series of 1v1s. Higher stat units will in that case almost always win regardless of numbers in the involved units.

Matched combat is good, as long as they add a lot of them, dont make them look the same on every unit

Historical Total War titles will always need to find a balance between accuracy and creative liberty in order to maximize the audience with a "best-of-both-worlds-plus-mod-support" product. If you want a truly realistic experience, the Age of Bronze mod is releasing its campaign mode later this month. Personally, I'm very curious about the new combat mechanics and values, that will bring in meaningful armor and complex battle movement (e.g. fall back command).

I love how the most historically accurate armor shown is met by "I don't like that armor".

This is one of the most fascinsting periods of history. I hope it is a good game.

@Robin-sf3gk

11 ай бұрын

I mean Tory was also very fascinating. But when I played it was so boring within 2 hours into the campaign. Same for Three Kingdoms. I hope Pharao is more engaging and interesting.

Having the Sea Peoples as somewhat of an Endgame Crisis makes sense. It is also the time period the Illiad takes place, so some similarities to Troy are not at all an issue. What kinda worries me is that there might be a sole focus on Egypt and the rest of the Eastern Mediterranean doesn't play a role at all. If this is the case, the game might be very one-sided or we get a bunch of DLCs for the other nations like Mycene, the Hittites, the Sea Peoples or Assyria.

@michaelweston409

11 ай бұрын

They need the Kushittes

Could have done Alexander, or Genghis, or set in ancient India or go all the way and do a Zulu African type map. Who ever is calling shots for Total war is playing it too safe, or just give us Empire 2 allready.

The Options were endless, an Alexander Remake, Medival 3, Shogun 3, a new Empire Total War, but this one radiates heavy Total War Troy vibes.

@elijahbill9148

Жыл бұрын

Would have loved rome 3 man ahhhh

@maximusd26

Жыл бұрын

they can make any setting interesting if the game is worth. I have literally no affinity with Indian history but it could be awesome for example

It's a no because it's not Medieval 3, you know, the game people have actually been asking for years now.

@Sobek1776

Жыл бұрын

Not me. I thoroughly believe they'll ruin medieval with a 3rd game. 2 was so unbelievably perfect that it's impossible to follow up with. If they make a 3rd it'll be like rome 2 or Attila. It'll flop. People want a 3rd cuz the last was so good but forget that the new engines total war runs have a bad history and it's likely to fail. However, empire 2 would be a perfect sequel. A chance to fix the first game and make a proper sequel that does it right. Since the first flopped so much It'll be hard to do that again. They have a chance to fix that time period

@gabrielegenota1480

11 ай бұрын

I’ve never been interested in the Bronze age up until now tbh. I hope they make it a good game. Last thing I want is for them to make Med 3 and botch it

Cyrus Total War would also be cool. Also still want a Victoria TW.

Every time a new historical title comes out, I start a Rome DEI campaign

This is actually a fantastic setting for a total war game. The Bronze Age collapse and the mysterious Sea Peoples is routed in real history and an extremely interesting, yet somehow unpopular period in Mediterranean history. Although, I must say that I was hoping for a less Egypt-focused campaign, and one that focuses more on all the major players of that time period, like the minoans, mycenaeans, hittites, etc. A Bronze Age Survival type campaign would indeed be very, very cool, especially if the environmental disasters of the time period are implemented well.

Historically, I love that we were finally getting the sea people in a game. They were a mixed group of Mediterranean peoples that came together and sacked coastal cities. There are a lot of theories about their origin, but generally, they get traced to islands like Sicily and so on.

@michaelweston409

11 ай бұрын

Sea peoples were an assortment of different ethnicities & cultures all uniformly attacking the rich Bronze Age civilizations for their resources. Technically speaking sea peoples could come from anywhere. There were cases of sea people coming from as far away as France, Spain, Italy, France, Morocco or even Scandinavia. Not to mention invaders from the far east, or steppes or even sub Saharan Africa.

@user-dx6bv2pe1s

10 ай бұрын

Some of the sea people were also lickley to come from the Bronze age civilisations that collapsed as well.

Some people want a 1v1 sync battle like in rome 2, while some people don't want it. The TW community is already fractured on what it want in TW games.

@michaelweston409

11 ай бұрын

I want a Rome 1 style game with just modern graphics. Is it to much to ask

The issue is they are bringing back features that existed in previous titles but not implementing them as well. Take the weather in Pharaoh it is an event and can change one per game. Compare that to Medieval one, the weather could change multiple times per battle in that title. The weather in medieval one had a big impact on your troops, not the limited penalties that exist in the new title. I hope Pharaoh is a hit but I would have liked them to go all in on the weather and associated effects. That would have added real tactics to the battles.

I just want a new Empire game with all the new technology and advances made in the genre. Empire with Darthmod is still my favorite total war experience over the decades.

The mechanics might fit warhammer but they're terrible for historical. Look carefully at the gameplay and you'd notice units losing 25% of their health before losing a single model. There's nothing inherently wrong with the bronze age collapse as a setting for a game, but the battle mechanics just don't live up to the 19 years of progress we should have had since rome total war. We need a new engine.

@sponge5196

Жыл бұрын

This. This right here. The Warscape engine only worked for Empire and Napoleon because those games were based around musket line warfare. But when you use melee, good god man....

@hannibalburgers477

Жыл бұрын

New engine means they have to learn the engine from the beginning, or heavily rework on the existing engine. It may lead to another Rome 2 or Empire.

@yedrellow

3 ай бұрын

@@hannibalburgers477 Another Rome 2 or Empire would have been a blessing compared to the product we actually got.

Sea people actually is how the mysterious invaders of the time are being called. We almost know nothing about them, so that´s making them a bit mythical. But actually they are not mythical, they are historical, albeit an interpretation. So people are just criticizing because they know nothing about the period and automatically think it´s all mythical. That´s just dumb.

I just want battles to last longer than 5 minutes

I'm playing Atilla right now with the 1212 mod (awesome). I love WH3 but Attilla has always been my favourite. Pharaoh will be great too I think when the mods start coming out for it. Default total war has never been much fun for me.

warhammer 3 is a really expensive game but with all the content its absolutely a massive sandbox with variety and depth

El, the main cannanite god, became our modern God. That's why all angels end with the sufix "el" like GabriEL or MichaEL

Anyone else like the 1v1 battle animations. I think it’s more immersive than them just swinging etc

@jodomarj9063

Жыл бұрын

But it's dumb when units are surrounding them and only doing 1v1 combat. So allow units to stab people in the back/side while they are engaged with another unit would be the only way I can accept it.

@elyadrian8871

Жыл бұрын

individual units ganging up on one another is what made rome 1 and medieval 2 combat stand out. I feel the 1v1 animations now are too flashy

@alphabromega859

Жыл бұрын

They are awful and fundamentally break combat. There is a reason why they were taken out of Rome 2 after years of people hating on it. You can have a single soldier be surrounded by 100 men yet only 1v1 combat can happen. It’s so god damn stupid

@macobuzi

11 ай бұрын

That's why TW: Shogun is the best

I don't think theres any doubt that this is 100% a reskin.

@shiroamakusa8075

Жыл бұрын

Was Med2 a reskin of Rome1?

@krevin543

Жыл бұрын

I can agree- it looks just like Troy and is in the same Bronze Age period. There are some new mechanics but not enough to warrant the price tag I think. I already have Troy and might as well play that

I noticed there were a lot of different resources: food, wood, and other stuff. I'm very eager to hear more about it, as opposed to dealing with only gold in most of total war campaigns.

Personally I think to this day shogun has had the best UI out of any total war game and I would love it if they would use a more advanced version of it in the newer games like a mix of it and Attila

The Total War series has become like the Assassain's Creed series. Pop a game out every year.

If they make this into another Troy I'm going to skip it.

@chanchonacho5655

Жыл бұрын

It’s basically Troy but no heroes

@primaitalia6586

Жыл бұрын

It's not Troy. There is the pharaoh mechanic that is known in three kingforms as the emperor mechanic. And the sieges are very reminiscent of Rome 2.

@KroM234

Жыл бұрын

@@primaitalia6586 it's Troy, Warhammer gamplay, repacked, rebranded and resold, avertising ancient TW features coming back as "nEw FeAtUrEs". It's dog crap all over, just open your eyes goodness gracious.

@primaitalia6586

Жыл бұрын

@Dyl They only jump on Total War Hate to avoid being hated themselves. I watched the videos. And that's a blatant lie.

Total war became a joke after Warhammer came into thier radar. They abandoned the focus on the simulation and went with a larger focus on 'champion' based combat like a moba and it ruinied the base of the game for me. I understand they were chasing after a larger playerbase but i aint one of those players.

@Miller09095

Жыл бұрын

I think Warhammer was a great idea, but not releasing anything for Medieval or Empire at any point is really odd. Appease both fanbases and the like.

I would like to say a special thankyou to all the wonderful poeple who make mods+units for total war games. . If it werent for you guys/gals I would not have enjoyed thousands more hours on some titles. . Thankyou . . ♥

Yeah, no way in hell I'm wasting around $60 USD to play another Troy set in Egypt.

mobile game coming to PC

It depends: if you like just historical, strategy and management just some sliders and button clicks. Then no. But if you like it more than this and you like a rpg element into. Bannerlord kills it. I think the era of all-in-one begins. Games had to choose between rpg, first-person like, then in between as total-war, where you control at group level, or the grand-level strategy like Paradox games do. Bannerlord has succeeded in combining those things. Spore was the first game, but bannerlord brings it into a new level. Imagine Battle for middle earth and lotro combined. That's the future. Bannerlord killed that old genre. Paradox game moved one with Crusader Kings:3. No more country level decisions only. There is a lot of character development as well, which wasn't there before (not much at least)

@louisharper3955

Жыл бұрын

Bannerlord has 0 character development. Sure you can go up levels in certain skills. But that just means swinging your sword easier. It has zero role playing. No one talks. The NPCs are just zombies who recruit other zombies to fight big battles which, after a couple hundred hours, becomes boring

@michaelweston409

11 ай бұрын

@@louisharper3955Bannerlord & the mount & blade series are single handedly my favorite games ever made. It’s definitely not boring 😂 The game has so much depth & awe. Not to mention the multiplayer is hands down the best sword, siege, battle war simulator on the market.

If they wanted historical accuracy then the major nations would primarily fight with Chariots not infantry. The sea people were the ones who really changed that with statements about large swaths of infantry.

appreciate the highlights from their 45 minute vid. Did they get into the campaign? Is it more immortal leaders and pointless back and forth in Troy. The leaders need to matter, and their loss should be felt. Also, diplomacy, and family dynasties. Really miss the extra depth.

I've always been mesmerized by Ancient Egypt. We'll have to see when it releases.

It's a yes for me

@Sobek1776

Жыл бұрын

Good taste

They made Total War very complicated. Players fell in love because of the battles and the campaign map of Rome 1: Total War! Where is my Total War Warring States! not the Three Kingdoms!

I don't think this game will ever reach the same amount of success like medieval 2, but i do believe that it will be surprisingly fun and will for the most part stop the pessimism all around it's launch. I think because it's just a quick preview most of the HUD will be completely altered and it way to soon to judge. On the topic of pre-ordering just don't as a life lesson don't it's never a good idea just wait a day see it how it looks then choose.

"Total War" is notning more than are real-time battle addititive to the "Civilization" franchise courtesy of Sid Meier. Loved every element of every game he ever invented. History revitalized.

like a mobile game

When I watched the interview, it felt like the guys talking about their game looked and sounded worried. Like they're worried about appeasing the consumers and their bosses at the same time. It's a shame because I'm sure they're much more capable of making a good game but they're being impeded of their creativity by they're supervisors. When Rome 2 released, those guys were extatic to talk about their game. Just an observation.

Different movements can be controlled with either SHIFT+Click or ALT+Click

Troy and Pharaoh should have been both in same game with more factions like Hitties etc.They both are in bronze age

Why couldnt they just make m3 and do it well - its what the people want..

A full on Bronze Age total war would have been a cool idea, but I’m not going to be playing a total war that looks and plays like Warhammer

Very excited. I mostly agree with your points except that I do like the departure from the older muted colored UIs that were set in bare stone or metal. The ancient world was so full of colors and dyes and vibrancy that we forget about with the stone remains of these once lifelike painted frescos and statues, bronze jewelry with precious stones and simple geometric shaped inlays. I actually kinda like the almost kitschy look right now and would be fine if it was just polished up so it's shining golden bronze and maybe tarnishes as the game starts getting darker, but it needs to be refined. I hope they keep the color though.

The period 1450-1650 would be sooo good 😔

they could of done medieval 3 or an empire remake

It’s a no, seems like a Troy two.

@mariusbehm9874

Жыл бұрын

you didnt watch

@nathanlaiko2933

Жыл бұрын

Its litterly the opposite of Troy

Attila have fire mechanics that was Dynamic.

11:12 These soldiers look like the Sherden, one of the sea peoples, likely originating from Sardinia, and they are actually depicted wearing that armor in the ancient sources. Including the horns on the helmet, the single ball on the top of the helmet, and these particular shields.

@michaelweston409

11 ай бұрын

Sea peoples were an assortment of different ethnicities & cultures all uniformly attacking the rich Bronze Age civilizations for their resources. Technically speaking sea peoples could come from anywhere. There were cases of sea people coming from as far away as France, Spain, Italy, France, Morocco or even Scandinavia. Not to mention invaders from the far east, or steppes or even sub Saharan Africa.

Total War, Total War has changed. Their is a reason people put Shogun 2, Fall of the Samurai, Medieval 2 and Rome 1 at the top of their lists. They where Simple but they worked, and had alot of Strategic Depth. The Units where very autonomies and required little input on the players part, you could TRUST your men to do their DAME JOB without you baby sitting them. NOW the Strategic Depth has been STRIPED away from the Campaign map and Units require alot more input then before, be it pressing a ability button or heavy micro. I don't care weather they do 1v1 combat or not, in fact i think the Matched combat HELPS. If more recent TWs are anything to go by, if the units do not have Match Combat, they will randomly flail at each other and some random guy in the BACK will die instead Due to the HEALTH BARS units have now. Speaking of HEALTH, ARMOR has HP now, not sure how i feel about that. At least they removed the Pocket ladders, that is STEP in the right direction. Now they just have to figure out what ELSE people want removed or reverted to YE OLDE days of GOOD Total War.

@CriMxDelAxCriM

11 ай бұрын

Yes all this but also the older titles (especially rome 1 and medieval 2) had amazing characters. It legitimately felt like an RPG at times, characters picking up good and bad traits from actions they took on the map, left your general in a city with a tavern not doing anything? Oh shit he is an alcoholic now. Like even the bad traits were awesome getting generals that went mad or had suffixes like "the lewd" and their traits effecting their pre battle speeches was so awesome and mad the game feel real and fun even when it hampered your generals abilities. You ended up with entire storylines for generals to the point that I'd often retire my best generals to manage scenic costal settlements as a "thank you" for their services. The newer total wars rank up and only pick from positive traits stuff isn't terrible but it's not as organic and rewarding as the new older ones. I think they should move the rank up stuff to units. How cool would it be if you use a unit of swordsmen to flank all the time and as a result they get a trait like flanker that buffs their charge bonus into the rear of enemy units? Or if an archer unit accrues so many horse kills they get a bonus attack vs horses. That way your army improves in the way you tend to use your units and makes sense in a historical framework.

@jaywerner8415

11 ай бұрын

@@CriMxDelAxCriM That WOULD be pretty cool not gonna lie. It would be nice to have the "organic" trait system back, the RPG system is nice for SKILLS but its not replacement for the Traits. Generals and Units getting traits based on how they fight does sound pretty cool. and by extension the Army traditions like from Rome 2, that was a neat feature.

@MC-BOT

11 ай бұрын

Warhammer ones are the best ones tho

I like the 1 vs 1 fight animations. I'm glad its back

Having ca members interviewing ca members is the only red flag I need

Fire arrows never happened in history

i cant wait to play medieval 3 when im 90

I really wish they would revisit medieval total war and make a third game. Like what are they thinking? It is so obvious we all want it. Pull your finger out CA and make an actually good game. Dont get lazy!!!

@jasonbourneistreadstone

Жыл бұрын

I've also wanted Medieval 3 with a new engine for a long time. Of course, CA chose to go in the exact opposite direction with a game era no one asked for, let alone thought of.

@Xyclonius

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonbourneistreadstone the company has lost direction since they had success with warhammer. It used to be about history and realistic representation but since they had success with fantasy they have adapted their style to suit. At least that's what I think the problem is. They think that because the majority prefer one thing, thats where they will have the most success. If they just made medieval 3 they would see how wrong they really are...

@jasonbourneistreadstone

Жыл бұрын

@@Xyclonius I have Warhammer 1 and 2 and I'm simply waiting until all factions for Warhammer 3 are released, including all or the majority of DLC, and then a 50% off sale. It's going to be a long time until 3 is in my Steam library. I did enjoy Troy and then CA cut support and ended any more development on the game.

@Xyclonius

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonbourneistreadstone That's a shame because I haven't even had the chance to play Troy yet. I have three different copies of the game due to picking it up and not having time to play and forgeting about owning it lol. The first one I got for free on epic, second I picked up locally really cheap and third I got it on steam when it came out on there.

@jasonbourneistreadstone

Жыл бұрын

@@Xyclonius It's a graphically beautiful game. Imo, the best-looking Total War yet and has some interesting game mechanics. Bit of a learning curve but not too bad. I think you'll like it.

Medieval III with the pre Rome 2 army system would make me very happy indeed.

1v1 fights is one of the worst tbh in large scale parties, there should still be penalties to those individuals who broke from formation or got separated, by the means of 10v1

latest total war games are only statistics simulators for me... +10 this, +20 there, numbers everywhere but less and less action on battlefield. I really love the shogun mechanics where one valley of arrows have dramatic immediate impact on the enemy unit, now you have have only fancy HP bars over units... Its sad

I'm sorry but I'm really skeptic. I want it to be good but I couldn't bear to see it become another Troy. I'd love to experience a new historical Total War like the ones we had in the past and I'm talking like Medieval, Rome, Empire, Napoleon, Shogun.... and I hope this one is going that way but I honestly doubt it.

When I was a young child I grew up on rts and turn based strategy games. Age of empires series, age of mythology, civ etc on a windows xp PC. When my family got a new pc I worked hard for every dollar I could get to buy total war med 2. Loved this series ever since but now I find myself unable to enjoy the newer titles as I once did

Sooooo we're getting a three kingdoms 3... got it. I still havent bought troy. Is it worth 50 doll hairs?

Thanks for this logical and professional review unlike others who just whine

@mainer97

Жыл бұрын

love you're work!

Total War died with Rome2... WarhammerTW is its own thing.

@whybother7632

Жыл бұрын

if you were creative assembly would you A. make a game that will sell around 10,000-50,000 copies or make a game that will sell hundreds of thousands to maybe even a million? you tell me

@oliverterry5941

Жыл бұрын

warhammer 40k needs to be made! it would sell so well!

@Nygaard2

Жыл бұрын

@@whybother7632 Or you could actually work on a game that you love and make, don't feel like you're selling out? And then you might actually have the next hit game instead of the same old, same old.

imagine being in a sandstorm and the BAM rain

I miss the old times where all games were all in one before when companies knew about "DLCS" where it was a free update than a paid one

I saw most people demanding matched combat to be put back into the games. Youre the first I heard of who doesnt want it.

How can their battles be realistic and historical if THEY LITERALLY HAVE HEALTHBARS?!?!

@joeyawiki3315

Жыл бұрын

Because normal guy somehow can survive being wound by sword/arrows depend on the wound and how tough he is and health bar is a good indication on that

@theyellowstrider2617

Жыл бұрын

@Mars Pattern Sure that is absolutely true. I just seem to like a more realistic approach to it.

@sauronplugawy3866

Жыл бұрын

Every total war had health bars. In the older titles they were just not visible

The only gripe with this is that these bronze age games don't encompass the entire eastern Mediterranean Sea. Differences in cultures and units, would've made it the best total war game ever. Bronze age is indeed niche, most people know nothing about it, that's understandable as the further back you go in history, the fewer people are interested. However, the small percentage that are interested, asked for Bronze Age TW games for decades. I'm happy for the commercial success of Warhammer games, this means that CA can create amazing games on more niche time periods without the pressure of needing to do well financially. I really hope they don't get back to gunpowder era and the stale gameplay, watching people with rifles shooting eachother. Hopefully, in the future, they will explore the ancient periods of other cultures in Asia and rest of Africa.