Hi Rex... here's a cabinet maker from Switzerland. As many people know, the price (and so the salary) level in Switzerland is extremely high. One blade with two sharp edges is about 5 US$. A certified cabinet maker or carpenter earns about 35 US$ per hour and a customer pays about 100-130 US$ per hour per worker on a job site or in the workshop. So for 2.5 US$ per "sharpening" ther are only 1.5 minutes to get a perfect edge... includig dis- and reassamble the plane... not possible i think... so... in Switzerland you can find Rali planes in about every professionel workshop... and the carbide blades are allso grate for aluminum, high pressure laminates and all kind of abrassive fireproof boards...

@mandowarrior123

Ай бұрын

This is true even outside of Swizerland to a lesser degree, certainly outside a workshop where your stones are ready to go. Being able to run it across things like insulation is indeed great. I'm quite upset though by how bad that plane came- not flat at all. You might as well use a chisel in a block of wood. Not swiss quality, that's what I expect from a diy shop's own brand. As far as tool fiddling, hot swap blades is great- but if you could swap out regular blades you can still sharpen them back home, when you sharpen your chisels anyway. The disposable on its own doesn't add as big a benefit as being able to swap them. If you see say a Japanese box plane being swapped out, you can easily do it quicker than this tool and sharpen many at once. They have their limitations- but set up a jig and a whole batch of blades can be sharpened in 10 minutes. These blades *could* cost you 50c a sharpening. At least until you have disposable chisels and you can forgo sharpening completely it just isn't that great. Compared to the stanley, yes, faster, but they're awkward and slow in the first place. It could've easily been straight up better than a mere trade off. Again, it really comes down to me 'but I have to sharpen my chisels anyway' The carbide blades do make it worth it seperately no debate there- and i'd rather have one tool, so I agree with your choice, but I still feel you're paying for the benefit. Another consumable to stock and carry is a burden on its own.

I'm not very fond of the idea of proprietary blades. in the end, it would be just the equivalent to printer cartridges.

@aksdoaskd

2 ай бұрын

What I really dislike is the disposable blade part, it's just sad

@windhelmguard5295

2 ай бұрын

depends entirely on how long those blades last, unless grossly miss handled, the tungsten carbide blades should last a hobbyist for a very long time and unlike printer cartridges, these blades won't go bad if you don't use them. another advantage i see is that high carbon steel needs maintenance or it'll rust, if you're someone who's in the shop only throughout the winter months, because you'd rather be out fishing during summer, having tools that you can just not look at for eight months without anything going wrong, can make a difference. a third factor is motivation, this might just be a me thing, but when motivation gets me and i want to do stuff, i NEED to be able to go in and start ASAP, if i end up discovering that i need to sharpen a tool first before i can start or god forbid look for a tool that my dad or someone left not where it was supposed to be, I'm instantly tempted to say "fuck it!" grab a beer and call it for the day.

@kz.irudimen

2 ай бұрын

​@@windhelmguard5295I would hope they last a really long time, considering the tungsten carbide blade is as expensive as a Hock iron that will last 2 or 3 lifetimes

@PistonHonda87

2 ай бұрын

Do you buy razor blades for shaving?

@joseislanio8910

2 ай бұрын

@@PistonHonda87 I do, it costs cents because its shape is a universal standart and various companies produce them. I don't see many companies making those blades, and I don't see it changing in the foreseeable future.

I'm in Germany, I agree totally with you. I've used the Rali planes many times in the last 25 years and they are perfect on site, chipboard, MDF, OSB, no problem, hit a nail, not a problem just change the blade. They are made for site work, but I don't like the one use blades for fine work...

I’m a contractor and I have always enjoyed woodworking to relax and when I really need to make something perfect I whip out the planes and after 15 years my old jobsite Stanley’s are like a secret weapon. And I have all sorts of blades for my 4s and 5’s. They do things my power planers and belt sanders could never do. But I did make the mistake of bringing a block plane on the jobsite and it wasn’t 20 minutes before someone picked it up and ran it into a piece of wood with nails in it. I keep my good planes at home. My users and stones stay in the truck. But unfortunately I fear planes will never earn a spot on the jobsite because of the skill and experience required to use and maintain them. Love your work Rex

@alext8828

2 ай бұрын

Good point.

@boobrowsky

Ай бұрын

Maybe they are not for everyday installers but for us with bit higher altitude they are useful and hard to replace

I live about an hour's drive from the Rali factory! With the light weight of the plane, something to bear in mind is that they're replacing continental horned wooden planes that are also light. Also, the original Rali plane in the continental format is cheaper than the Stanley shaped model. Here in Switzerlandthey've become the new standard. As you said, they're clever and reasonably priced for what they do. In a way they're like Swiss army knives: simple, clever, functional and efficient. I don't like them. I find it hard to adjust exactly right, and I find that I can get my edges just as sharp if not sharper than their blades. I prefer the feel on my wooden planes and of my Stanley style planes (but people said the same thing about Stanley planes when they first appeared...). It's a great product for a world that no longer knows how to sharpen, but it's not for me. They also make chisels with disposable blades! Let us know what you think of THEM!

I bought three Rali planes and love them. I buy planes to use, not to restore, sharpen, or tune them. Also there are no stones to buy, no diamond plates, no Scary Sharp system, no CBN wheels, nothing. I'm not a hand tools guy and don't give a flip about tradition. I want to get on with a job, not have to stop to sharpen anything. Even my machines have helical cutters.

@frankschlehofer6517

2 ай бұрын

i bought them for my woodworking and they work for me

@CitizenAyellowblue

2 ай бұрын

You’re right to point out that it’s not as simple as “it’s wrong that the blades are disposable”. For planes that can be sharpened, there are a lot of other consumables you have to use and that means more consumption. I could argue that the Rali system reduces consumption… and guess what- the baldes are metal, so into the recycling bin. Ooh yes and the price of all that quality sharpening gear…!

@theterribleanimator1793

2 ай бұрын

the sharpening gear: a two sided stone 400 1000 and your hands, a single piece of leather and a smidge of polishing wax. nets at about 25 dollars in my country.

@josephchamness9915

2 ай бұрын

@@theterribleanimator1793Yea, And you are also probably going to want to them anyway to sharpen other stuff. And if you want to go cheap you can just use sand paper.

@Tensquaremetreworkshop

2 ай бұрын

@@theterribleanimator1793 Depends on how you cost your time. Do you use disposable blade utility knives? A 'cut throat' razor?

I'm a professional woodworker and I bought the Systainer RALI case with all the Evolution N range. These tools save me a lot of time both in the workshop and on building sites. The blades last a very long time and are compatible with all my planers. I haven't had any problems with the sole, and they're perfectly flat. You must have had a problem when transporting them, but all you have to do is unscrew the screws on the sides and tap the front and back to make the sole of the plane perfectly flat again. These tools are always ready for use, which is a great comfort when it comes to simple adjustments. Bravo RALI and Swiss quality! Thanks Rex for your video.

@justinsane332

2 ай бұрын

Having a hump behind the mouth will not be fixed by what you state, am I missing something?

I think you're right about contractors using these on job sites. The replaceable blades make it possible to get things done quickly and keep working when there is an issue with the blade. I also think someone could use this as a scrub plane.

@borjesvensson8661

2 ай бұрын

Not really as a scrub. The heavily cambered blade is what makes it a scrub plane. But for planing of paint and grime? Great idea

@chetfishmt

2 ай бұрын

I'm a professional finish carpenter and carry a couple of planes, a number 4, a block plane and a bullnose to be exact. I rarely use them. Don't get me wrong, sometimes they are the best tool for the job, but in a modern production based world there are alot of other options that are faster and almost as accurate. For the most part I use hand planes in my shop and I enjoy sharpening them almost as much as using them. Replaceable blades are a continuous investment. If you're serious about wood working a good set of stones are a one time investment, buy once, cry once. And you will get plenty of use out of them.

@user-sw2nh4ll7h

2 ай бұрын

@@chetfishmt your time is also a continuous investment, especially when running a bussines. Looks like people still don't understand what "time is money" really means.

@joseislanio8910

2 ай бұрын

@@user-sw2nh4ll7h resharpening a blade that got dull from normal use isn't that time consuming. Sometimes you just need to touch it with the medium and fine stones then a little stropping. Normally less than 5 minutes.

@jmc0369

2 ай бұрын

I dont like the idea of proprietary disposable blades. You become prisoner to some corporations thingamajogger and supply chain issues in a world that is contracting and becoming less stable.

I have a Stanley RB 10 replaceable blade plane (must be 20+yrs old now) and I love it. Because I liked it so much, I bought about 100 spare blades in case they were discontinued.I'm 75 yrs old now so they should last me out ! Having said that, I also have the conventional Stanley/Bailey no5 and a Record no4 which also see plenty of use, (the RB 10 can't be used on a shooting board). Sharpening plane/ chisel blades is therapeutic I think !

Great vid Rex. I agree it's a job site tool; that laminated body isn't going to crack if you drop it.

Rex, on the wall behind you there is a disposable blade knife. It is just convenient enough to have a possibility to quickly switch blades in the tools that somebody made them.

@johnnichols8553

2 ай бұрын

Yeah and further behind him is a bandsaw. I doubt he sharpens his bandsaw blades (although he might). The only thing that might deter from these planes is the blade cost. Utility knife blades are quite cheap, but the Rali blades are $5-6 apiece.

@FornaxusCrucible

2 ай бұрын

@@johnnichols8553 Yeah, OK, I was a fan - but that blade cost is a bit of a deal-killer. Thanks for the info, John.

@joseislanio8910

2 ай бұрын

@@johnnichols8553 that's the difference from a common standard (like the knife blades) to a proprietary form factor.

@Hellsong89

2 ай бұрын

@@joseislanio8910 Yeah that killed what little interest i had for one. The laminated frame was another. If you ever end up smoothing the bottom as restoration, oil and metal will end up between laminated and will dirty the wood for ages so its essentially gone after you get any damage on it. Sure you need to be careful with cast frame as well, but least it cast and wont bend or do weird shit. This is something i would ever consider as beater plane for worksite, but i'm not working much on the field and can just sharpen if need be and even then there is cheap decent planes around specially if you restore one from garage sale.

You could save a lot money as a hobbyist with a Rali. By the time you get done spending $400 on Shapton stones and the time wasted on sharpening you could just replace the blade. I for one get damn tired of having to sharpen blades and I have a planer and a jointer that does a majority of my work. I think I will give them a try.

@PistonHonda87

2 ай бұрын

I’ve been using them for two years along with their chisels they are great and you can sharpen them despite being advertised as disposable.

@dr.chalmers7923

2 ай бұрын

If you use it once a year yeah, but Rex has a good point - shopping for an antique, a lot cheaper

@fredparsons5134

2 ай бұрын

You won’t be disappointed. I have 2.

@kimmosaarinen2780

2 ай бұрын

The thing is, you don't need spend $400 on stones to get scary sharp results. And the second thing is, these Rali blades are $5 each.

@joseislanio8910

2 ай бұрын

So you plan on using only a hand plane, no chisels, spokeshaves, knives? Cause those need sharpening as well.

Fully agree with disposable blades problem 👍In addition, it makes you captive from Rally spares...

I think it’s brilliant for people who rarely use tools, and as you said, for carpenters who work professionally. I often think about how in the old days, there must have been so many people sitting around sharpening, and in my work, I’m often going out to buy blades for everything.

A very good, honest review Rex, absolutely 100% agree that these would suit carpenters or home/household who needs something once in a while. First thing I was going to mention as I started watching was the inability to sharpen when dealing with PITA woods like PH, like I work with all the time and I'm sharpening every 15 or so minutes on my WR 5 1/2. Wish I had the easy access to old used tools like you guys do, because like with a lot of other hobbies I do, I enjoy the tinkering/fixing almost as much as the doing/using.

You did a better job selling it to me telling me not to buy than another channel offering me a discount code. Still nope on disposable blades though.

@dwainlambrigger3769

2 ай бұрын

I'm just gonna say it, I also saw this on the Workshop Companion website. Also didn't like the coupon code at the end of the video.

@dr.chalmers7923

2 ай бұрын

It’s business guys, they need to make a living and I respect that Not to mention Rex’s plans are up for great prices and I for one, appreciate that greatly

@otterylexa4499

2 ай бұрын

@@dr.chalmers7923 I hugely respect Rex's integrity in his videos, even when he's selling something which in this case he wasn't. I was commenting on the irony that Rex made a better case for this tool than that other guy.

Great review Rex and greetings from New Zealand . I have used the Rali block plane for the past year. It has a similar disposable blade design , but its a light weight block plane you can carry in your apron pocket all day . Do retract the blade . Also with one hand you can extend the blade and you have a ready pencil sharpener .

Honestly, everything you said about why you hate it (disposable blades) is the very reason I'd consider it. I absolutely HATE sharpening irons and chisels. And that's why I nearly never use hand tools. I'm 99% a power tool user. But, to each their own. Still love your videos!

@dr.chalmers7923

2 ай бұрын

I get where youre coming from because I also mostly use power tools… problem is I’m a sucker for a nice antique 😂

@asbrand

2 ай бұрын

@@dr.chalmers7923 - Oh, don't get me wrong, I have a couple of Stanly planes, a #4 and a #5, as well as a block plane. I just never use 'em.

I do mostly agree with you. So I googled the plane because reality is cost is a factor here. I noticed each blade is interchangle with several different planes, and they are cheap 5 blades for $24. So I agree with your points when we are talking one man shops who are making bigger/different projects. Where I think this particular tool and blades come into making sense is where its still a small shop but your cranking out projects or repeating them. Maybe a contractor thats working out of somebodies home, I can see just having 2 small packages of blades for all your planes on the jobsite could be fantastic when they hit the exact same example you mentioned, hittng a trim nail. So while I will stick to normal planes, I can see this is a pretty cool tool and could be really fantastic for the right person in the right position.

This is a perfect review, I feel. It shows everything about the plane and then brings back to the one key point, reuse!

5:50 That's totally a roller coaster safety bar. I didn't think about contractors using this, that's a good point.

Excellent, honest, and accurate review. I’ve appreciated every review video you’ve produced. Your low angle jack review video is a classic for beginners (I point anyone to it that is thinking about getting one). Funny enough, that video showed me I didn’t need a LAJ… just like I don’t need this plane :) Thank you for saving beginners some cash that they can spend on timber.

8:21 That's not a wrench. Mr. Nick Engler also covered this tool on his channel, and he was told by a Rali rep that that thing's a bottle opener.

I have seen antique replacable razor blades on special iron used in swiss wooden planes. The thing is you still can sharpen them but you also can just change razor and keep going

Thanks for the tips on setting up my stanley. There were loads of them at school in the 90s , never got yo use one, (should have put a couple in my bag)anyway. Recently got hold of one, as much for the novelty (i own an electric one) it was really nice to use ,despite my guessing setting it up, i especially appreciated the lack of mess, comoared to sanding or the electric plane that spits the offcuts across the room.

I appreciate your defense of that hill. Thank you!

Quality nuance. Thanks Rex!

As soon as I saw that blade design I thought "I bet they've made that to be interchangeable in multiple different planes", which a quick visit to their website confirmed. I think that's a nice touch, What did surprise me though, was how expensive these blades are for being disposable. (also, Rex might blow a gasket if he finds out about their disposable blade chisels)

@timmietimmins3780

2 ай бұрын

yeah, proprietary. I would be very interested in a cheap, easy to adjust block plane (and their plastic one is under 40 bucks), but 7.50 is a bit steep for a single blade, when you can get tungsten carbide power planer blades for like 3 bucks each.

@ferrumignis

2 ай бұрын

@@timmietimmins3780 Blades are $38 for 10, doesn't seem crazy expensive. I suspect the fact they are cambered makes them quite a bit more difficult to produce than a simple box cutter type blade.

I Second Rex's view on disposable blades ( infact, anything disposable, except, maybe, Medical stuff). I'm on the hill right by his side !

@michaelstanley6466

2 ай бұрын

Medical has gone overboard on disposable: nearly everything is thrown away now, and part of the astounding increase in fees.

@BaumisMagicalWorld

Ай бұрын

They are recyclable.

Thanks for making this video Rex, I'm really glad I'm not the only person who is extremely hesitant to use disposable tools. It's so wasteful!

Great video. Thanks. I watched till the end figuring this might make a good scrub plane, but the $200 price blew me away. Also, I don't mind keeping my tools sharp. It's very satisfying to know that my woodworking is progressing to a higher level partly because my tools are at a high level. I keep my cast iron shiny, moving bits are kept lubricated, dust is kept at bay and my cutting tools are kept sharp. Fortunately, I don't work under tight scheduling deadlines. I make one-of-a kind pieces and one stipulation is that it will be done when it's done. I recently bought a 100 year old #5 Stanley from Vintage Tool Shoppe for $99. It looks barely used. Thanks again.

Wow! Helluva review! I’ll definitely look for some Stanley’s.

Good video. I'm still going to stick with the Rali. The thing is that I'm more about power tools and rarely use a hand plane and don't want to do all that sharpening. So for occasional use in unusual situations the Rali works for me. If I were a hand-tool guy and frequently using a hand plane frequently and in critical areas - I'm pretty sure I'd be using something other than the Rali.

@asbrand

2 ай бұрын

Same.

I love your open mind

Disposable sharpened blades? How neat! I hate it.

Great video, Rex! Loved the demo with the hammer on the handle. Definitely stealing that at our next tradeshow! I hate to say it now, but we used to carry a version of the 260 Evolution with a resharpenable blade a few years ago that we eventually discontinued, as we weren't selling many of them 😬

Thank you, Rex!

My uncle was a finish carpenter.. he carried a small pocket plane, palm plane.... whatever you want to call it... and three blades in his pouch. Blades were covered in a sheath, because time is money.. And if his blade was beginning to dull, he would pull it and replace it, and put the old blade in its sheath. He often lamented that he didn't have spare blades for his Jack, so he would have to stop on the jobsite to sharpen that, so something like this would work for him.

@britneyfreek

2 ай бұрын

there are people in the professional field swearing by these. fast and easily switching blades really is a thing they specifically buy these ugly plastic planes for.

@chopper9303

2 ай бұрын

My wifes sisters husbands father, his sons girlfriends brother is a carpenter( rough woodworkers) well in 2024 he uses a planer with 3 disposable blades and it even has a 20v rechargeable battery. Only a clown would carry this on a jobsite

@dlevi67

2 ай бұрын

@@chopper9303 Then the world is full of clowns who are capable of using a hand plane and don't need a battery...

@chopper9303

2 ай бұрын

@@dlevi67 Point being, want disposable blades for speed and laziness? Buy a cordless planer muppet

@dlevi67

2 ай бұрын

@@chopper9303 Point being, I don't need an expensive and badly-finishing cordless "planer", idiot.

"I love everything about your product except the business model" is also my opinion of most things developed this century.

I think they made a plane for new folks. I will be honest with you. I am the newest person here with planes but your channel has saved me. I started woodworking and I needed a plane. When I read I needed to sharpen and adjust all this stuff I was OVERWHELMED!! I can see why they made a plane that is more simple. However, thank you for your channel. You got me from having no clue to getting my first board flat! Now I just need a workbench! I have been holding my plane with one hand and holding my board with the other, lol!

Rex you're one of the best.

Thanks for reviewing this! I wanted to know your opinion ever since I learned it existed.

I have a bunch of these Rali planes. Mine came with flat soles. They are the euro style with the horn. The rabbet planes are awesome, too. I’ve let some of my guys use them on the jobsite and a couple of them have purchased Rali planes, too. I’m a fan. If you’re on the fence maybe give them a try. I have Veritas and Lie-Neilsen planes, too, and love them, but these have a place in my tool chest.

Excellent, as always.

Disposable blade tools do make sense. If they have a battery

Traditional European style wooden hand planes have one extreme advantage btw.: they are very nice intermediate level woodworking exercises that turn small pieces of wood into actual tools 🥳

Kinda like a modern industrial take on an infill plane with the lines on this and how the plastic parts nestle in the channel, neat I like it

Hi Rex. As soon as you introduced that plane, it made me think of a new era of site work. It looks every bit a site tool, reminiscent of the hard point colourful saws it is obviously designed to work alongside. Traditional hand planes have gone out of fashion in the jobsite and power hand planes are often too aggressive. Here is a plane that has all the colour, materials, lightweight and disposable nature of modern site tools. My solution to make this tool acceptable to my peers and the in-crowd would be to copy the blade and have some made that can be re-sharpened (perhaps while your drill/driver battery is fast-charging). Throughout my 40 years+ carpentry career, I have always had a block plane in my kit - and this looks like something that could extend that minimalist hand capability, without feeling like a hand tool anorak on site. It also reminds me of when Stanley introduced their Surform planes, a stab in the dark that was not taken up by professionals but is still in production for the few who swear by them, for whatever reason (I only ever use a short one for trimming ends/edges of plasterboard and nothing else...honestly, nothing else, I swear). So, I might suggest that people with an interest might buy one of these new planes, call in a favour from a metal working friend who can copy the blade to make some sharpenable ones and go for it. One other thing that this plane asks for is REPEAT SALE; once you own this, you are locked into buying replaceable blades, forever...! Unless you get re-sharpenable copies made, which is probably worth the expense in the long run. Just thinking though - if a re-sharpenable blade was made, the plane would need some way of adjusting the depth...and that's where it all falls flat on its face.

I inherited my great uncles tools and he had bought 2 of these, but I still use all his old Stanleys. Mostly cause of all the different sizes haha, but they are pretty sweet tools!

Why sell one product when you can sell one product plus replaceable parts? Yeah, I'm looking at you too, Gillette.

Thank you for this video. I own a Rali 220 EVO and love it. I seldom use any of my other handplanes (have a Veritas as well)

@hanneschristophberg6515

2 ай бұрын

Hi Rex, want to add that I actually expected your two conclusions: it is pricey and you don't like the exchangeable blades. I am happy though that you liked the performance and the building quality. You were not recommending Veritas planes either in your earlier test videos due to the price. In German there is the word Standzeit that translate to durability/service life/tool life. The time until a tool needs to be resharpened, refurbished or exchanged. The Rali blades have an excellent Standzeit as long as you don't run them into nails. There are hard metal blades available that according to Rail work for planing aluminium...they might even perform better with nails than the standard ones. Anyway I love your channel and to watch your videos because you point out that good woodworking is not depending on fancy gear. Thank you that you took the time to review this plane.

Love my Rali plane. So easy to use and adjust. I wish they were easier to get in the US.

I’m in Germany and I only saw the use of Rali planes with carpenters on job sides. (As Rex mentioned) At 10 pack of high speed steel replacemnt blades is between 5 and 6 Euros. They sell Tungsten carbide blades but those are expensive.

10:17 I went to RBX for the first time the other day, and I was like a kid in a candy shop. You should give them a call and see if they'd be up for you filming in there. Would be great to show the world that place! Plus, you could pick up some old thing, maybe a window, and restore it!

Hi from the uk I'm not a carpenter by trade I just do a lot of DIY I'm an old git now and am happy with my Stanley I just feel a little envious of younger guys, it's not worth me going out to buy a ralie at my time in life but I can appreciate it for a young contractor Keep up the good work

Great stuff Rex. I have a horrible Paramo plane with replaceable blades dating back to probably the 70s going by the box. When an idea hasn't caught on for the best part of half a century there's probably a reason!

I am standing in front of the mirror looking at myself, foam in front of my mouth, holding this thing with disposable blades in my hand and asking myself if I would want to throw it away and change to a razor blade that I would have to sharpen every morning. Nahhhh. Disposable blades are expensive, yes, but I like my Gillette the way it is. 😜🤪 Honestly, Rex, you did a marvelous job in selling the Rali. If the disposable blades is the only thing that you can criticize then the Rali is the hand plane that was made for me. Woodworking is my hobby but sharpening is not where the fun is for me. Quite the opposite: It just costs time. Time that I‘d rather spend on finishing the project so that I can do the next one. That is also the reason why I use power tools. I do not have the time nor the patience to do it the traditional way. Still I love your channel and I adore the way you do your projects. But as for me, anything that speeds up my work and precision is where my way goes. I do see the need of hand planes. That‘s why I have them. But with your sales pitch for Rali and the possibility to have sharp blades within 10 seconds without any other additional tool, I will exchange all my hand planes with Rali hand planes for sure. Thanks for the video. I love your channel (although we disagree on the behalf of disposable blades… 😢) Greetings from Switzerland 🇨🇭 (and even if I were not Swiss and Rali were made in another country I would still love them after this video 😜)

The tools are of high quality, surely the results will be satisfying, greetings of friendship from Indonesia 🖐👍👍👍❤❤❤

The plane restoration course is good. Highly recommended.

I love innovation! The more the better 😊

Recently walked into a second hand store and bought 4 Stanley jack planes for $20 each. A bit rusty and all needed cleaning and sharpening but they were complete and repairable.

Thing is, over here in Europe you can't find cheap Stanley planes at all. And the Veritas low angle jack 382 mm starts at 362 euro's :(

@hemlock40

2 ай бұрын

I live in Portugal, along a long narrow supply chain. I was able to order a couple of planes on amazon, a Stanley 4 with plastic tote, and a nice faithful no 5. Both needed a lot of work on the sole and sides, but it would be the same anywhere.

@darkounet3478

2 ай бұрын

In europe there are a lot of wooden plane, i can get them as cheap as a couple euros, and i'm not even in Portugal 🙂 They are a little weird to use at first if you are used to metal ajustable plane. But as your skills improve, you tend to stop adjusting your planes too often.

@avbauwel

2 ай бұрын

New Stanley Bailey's at 75 to 100 Euro, half the price of this Rali plane. You can buy a nice set of sharpening stones for the difference :)

@borjesvensson8661

2 ай бұрын

Here in sweden you can buy no 4 or 3 for 20-50 euro depending if it is one of the swedish or german makers or a brittish stanley in good condition. No 5 and larger is rarer and more expensive but not unobtanium. That said europe is full of wedged wooden planes that work just fine (i prefer them but thats me)

@uwyphi

2 ай бұрын

bought a record 4 for 35pounds on ebay from a british reseller, even with import fees it's not that bad or uncommon juuma n5 goes for less than 200euros new but i wouldn't recommend bedrock style plane unless you sharpen exclusively with a jig aside from that, wooden planes are cheap, a jointer goes for 30 euros or so on the second hand market

It’s the hand plane equivalent of a box cutter, the blades are great for contractors who don’t have the time to stop and sharpen a blade. You get a nick? New blade to snap in super quickly. Big chip cost you were stupid? New blade and you’re good to go. It does make more sense for specific applications

@kimmosaarinen2780

2 ай бұрын

But the $5 per blade seems a bit steep, even for contractors and such.

@zanderchiasson8064

2 ай бұрын

@@kimmosaarinen2780 hold on it’s $5 PER BLADE??

I could learn to like such a tool but you are right about the disposeable blades. I have an old aluminum bodied Craftsman with a 4 sided square replaceable blade.....but try finding those! (I only bought it because it was weird).

Another thing about accessing the adjustment lever: the original model is in the continental shape, and with that one it's easier to access.

Really good points. At first I was like its not a big deal, but I am not that experience with wood working, especially planes but after hearing your points, it totally make sense disposable blades are not good idea for long term.

Hey great job again ❤

@RexKrueger

2 ай бұрын

Thank you 🤗

I run a very Norm Abram style wood shop, I do almost all of my work with power tools; like that pine board you planed? That would have gone through my thickness planer. I currently do not own a smoothing plane, I have a couple block planes that see occasional use chamfering corners or taking the saw marks off of something. If I were to buy a bench plane, I think I'd go for a Rali.

Hey Rex great video! There are three things that you forgot to mention. That plane has an adjustable mouth which is a great feature, They say the chrome blades that come with it are for softwoods and the tungsten carbide blades they have are for hardwoods (which is stupid) and 5 chrome blades are 25$ and 1 tungsten carbide blade is 27$ or 45$ for 2. Thats a ridiculous price for blades. Even someone coming from the machining world with removable carbide inserts would have to do a double take on those prices.

@richtes

2 ай бұрын

Think it could be sharpened on a T&C grinder or maybe an Accu-finish? Probably need to work out a jig for the camber before using the blade.

@user-ve3fz3bm7z

2 ай бұрын

the tungsten carbide blades are for fiber board and plastic coating

I'm tempted!

Highly specific example but maybe good for taking out to on-site finishing work where there’s no room or time for sharpening and you just need a fresh sharp edge that goes right in with little adjustment. But it could also be good for us weekend “hybrid woodworkers” (penny to Marc) who just don’t use planes enough to get really good at adjusting and sharpening.

Interesting plane for sure !

I bought one of these quite a few years ago and it did actually come with a reshapenel blade! Unfortunately after years of use the blades warn out now , and they don't seem to make that blade anymore! And the disposable blades are so expensive!

20:27 presumably with just few changes, they could put in a 2-3 inch iron where the razor blade currently goes.

I have 2 of the Rali planes and I love them. Always sharp, just grab it out of the drawer and lower the blade to make beautiful shavings. I think the finish it leaves on wood is better than a traditional plane. If you like sharpening and messing with your tools the traditional planes are probably more fun but I just want to make and sell stuff. I don’t like the ritual of sharpening and all the tools that goes with that. I definitely think there’s a place for a Rali on every woodworkers shelf. Mine works real well for jointing boards too. Rali company sells a lot of interesting tools for woodworking.

I saw thisplane back in the COVID days and chalked it up as too gimmicky. You gave it a really well thought out review and I appreciate that. I think the biggest drawback for me is the disposable blade. I quit shaving because I didn't want to deal with them. Most electric hand planes now come with carbide blades. I don't want to think about hitting a hidden nail or bullet at 25,000 RPM in some home-milled timber though. I think I'll stick with my old Scioto planes.

If I was doing this for money, I would absolutely get these and not look back.

@kimmosaarinen2780

2 ай бұрын

I dunno, some other dude or dudette commented that blades are 50euros per 10 blades on Amazon Germany, ain't cheap.

Looking at this thing, it seems like a great build for a Send Cut Send build, just gotta figure out how to adapt a regular style frog

2024 No onsite contractor is using a hand plane

I sharpen tungsten carbide lathe tool indexable inserts that you are NOT supposed to sharpen and nobody in industrial setting would do that. I also [sometimes] sharpen boxcutter blades that you are supposed just to break of or throw away whole. So what prevents you from making an indexable blade holder and sharpening those inserts? I am pretty sure that you could adjust the blade after two or three light sharpenings / honings.

Wow! You are really just a salesman. I'd hoped when coming across your chanel that it was going to be a breath of fresh air. No product promotion bias, no tacky sales pitch, no product build created just to push a product.........sadly I was wrong. I knew when you started it was mainly a sales tactic for the Rali plane (the reverse psychology regarding the disposable blade, nice touch but will only fool a fool). I could even overlook the fake hammer test, boy that was embarrassing ! But the final straw was your sales pitch for the renovation course. Ironically my comment will help your algorithm but many people are now reading comments before potentially wasting time on the video. P.S. There are many quality restoration videos out there for restoring old planes....FREE!

Yeah, I completly agree, disposable blades are a total no go. I see 3 other problems with this plane. 1. Such a tiny thin blade, how can it not chatter with difficult wood? 2. No adjustable mouth/frog. I think adjusting mouth opening with frog or other means is nearly as important as chip breaker position when adjusting for heavy/fine shavings in difficult stuff. 3. Depth adjuster blocks a smooth exit of shavings when you are doing a lot of planing.

20:52 Here in Switzerland this Rali hamdplane is around 200 dollars versus 400 for the Vertias

I'm reminded of the Paramo Planemaster which also had disposable blades.

This is the only plane I've gotten along with. Its saved my butt a few times. I hate sharpening. Difficult grain? we all have options that deal with problem woods. Like how I recently designed a guitar headstock with a bowie knife like recurve edge that refused to be routed without tearout...but the edge was designed around the curves of the sanding machine and I sanded with it instead of routed. SInce I make guitars without sharpening planes, I don't think the analogy fits that sharpening is cooking heat. Not everyone is going to use the 15 different planes a plane collector might have, or even understand them.

Very pretty. I will stick with my late grandfather's 1920s Bailey No.4

There was a company called paramo that sold handplanes with disposable blades. They are still seen on ebay quite often but never were really popular.

Thanks for making this video. Never seen anything like this plane. I think the "hump" could be caused by uneven torque applied by the hex bolts holding the thing together. If one adjusted those, THEN did a final flattening, the sole might be perfect. I would still hesitate to buy this b/c I love my L-N planes :)

I think a plane like this would be a great option for a jack plane. Do most of the work without worrying about an ideal finish and without stopping for sharpening. For specialised use cases and for smoothing you can use your more versatile traditional planes. The price is ok too. My biggest issue is how awful it looks.

Exactly right. The Rali is not for for the home shop hobby carpenter. It is for serious professionals on the job sites that aint got 2 hours to get the perfect nanoscopically polished razor edge just to knock off some sharp edges. I was a little suprised however that the sole wasnt completely dead flat, wasnt expecting poor quality like that from the Rali.

In order for them to put blades that can be sharpened on that plane, it would have to have a blade sharpener that they would make to keep the blade evenly sharpened. Because like you said, it has no frog and can't be adjusted for level if the sharpening is off.

"This construction has to be flat" only if they machine the sole after assembly. The tolerance on the locations of the holes and the clearance between the pins and holes leads to an inevitable mismatch between adjacent plates and between the independent areas in front and behind the mouth. That can only be corrected after it's all put together. I've had a Rali rabbet plane for >20 years. While the blades are intended to be disposable, they are easily sharpened. You can use a jig like you might use for jointer or planer blades. My only real complaint is that there are some rubber O-rings in the mechanism that have recently disintegrated. They're probably replaceable, but I haven't got around to it.

Oh one thing you didn't mention price-wise - the replacement blades are about $5/each for the steel and over 30 (oof) for a carbide one. Not sure how long they last for, but I know I resharpen my plane irons pretty dang often. Heck, I can buy a really good new iron for $30.

Hard agree on the disposable blades. I'm tired of disposable things; tired of the ambiguity of when a dispoable thing is spent vs. when I've "gotten my money's worth" from it, tired of not knowing that I'll be able to get a replacement, tired of adding to the landfill perfectly good material that's been purposely made hard to re-use, tired of not truely owning a thing after I buy it.

Thanks for video! That was super informative. I see only one reason of using disposable blades: it's just marketing thing. You can't gain money continuously, doing more stable/durable/eternal materials and details.

I still like the Rali planes 😊. Seems the best thing they could do is to have resharpenable blades - so a user could sharpen a few and store them in the handle until needed

Very nice review, Rex. I like the idea of a modern design to proven and necessary tool. But please, tell us how you REALLY feel about the disposable blades. LOL!

For years I reluctantly used hand planes, I had problems getting good results. Then one day I realized it was operator error. I took the time to learn how to sharpen and set up a plane and truthfully there was a learning curve. Now, when I use my planes it is positively a joyous experience. There is nothing like the sound and feeling of a well tuned plane effortlessly sliding across wood. All my planes are pre ww1 Stanley’s. I must admit though, that my old self would have loved a sharp, pre set up Rali.

With the way that the Swiss is constructed, instead of sanding the bottom flat I wonder if you wouldn't be able to slightly loosen the bolts along the side sit and sit it on a flat surface and re-tighten them in the new flat alignment? I can't tell if that would work or not from the views that I got in the video. I do completely agree with the disposable blade's stance though.

I am going to buy one