I had a 30 year career with Fujifilm in the US starting in 1975. When Fujifilm introduced professional films for the 1984 LA Olympics I was assigned the task of introducing those films to the press working the Olympic games. Soon after we introduced professional cameras and I was fortunate enough to get the first G617 sample camera. I can't tell you how many hundreds of rolls of film I put through that camera (all at 4 shots per roll) and how much I enjoyed getting the film back and seeing what I got since with the original G617 you were never sure until you got the film back. I think the use of the iPhone with the Noble camera is a brilliant idea. I wish I had it back in the 80s when the camera was first introduced here in the US. When Fujifilm introduced digital cameras I was moved over to that division. Hearing you talk about the feeling you get when you pull out a film camera in front of all those digital shooters was the antithesis of what I experienced when I pulled out a digital camera with all film shooters around. Perhaps still a place for both but I've gone total digital now. For what it's worth, I enjoy shooting multi-shot panos and stitching and processing in Photoshop. Enjoy your channel.

@JHurrenPhotography

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Every older photographer I have the privilege of learning from swears by digital. I did learn on film briefly in the late 90's. It's been digital, DSLRs then mirrorless. For anything I care about, I'm seriously shooting film again. I bulk load, develop 35mm, 645, 67 myself, and scan. Ektachrome mostly. I love my digital Fujifilm camera too, I scan my film with it, not to mention make a living with it. Possibly some of my business could be transitioned into my film process, once it's robust enough. Film is just so much more beautiful. The costs really are about the same.

Love the video. first. You're not in a wet dark room anymore, so the images are processed in photoshop or light room and printing on a digital printer, you are also not developing the film, you're sending it out, and scanning it into the computer. Don't feel guitly about mixing up analog and film photography. You're doing it already with the other film cameras you have. Enjoy the experience.

@ThomasHeatonPhoto

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I know. I reckon I'm over thinking everything. Haha. Just have fun, should be the message.

@PaulEvans

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A very good comment Michael.

@dungareesareforfools

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Also, even if you get a lab to print your images, disappointingly they’ll probably be doing so digitally, even direct from transparencies.

@shaunkeenanphoto

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I definitely understand the feeling of pride in pulling out an old film camera, but I’m also a firm believer in it not being about the gear. Great video in the conversation it starts!

@michaelvuckovic2760

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Good point Michael. Other than the roll of film, everything about the image is ultimately digital. Analog/digital whatever. They are just tools. Use the tool that gives you the results and enjoyment you desire. Thomas, my 6x17 camera is a roll film back that I use on an old Graflex. It's bulky, heavy, but gets the job done at a reasonable price.

This thing is bridging the gap. We all want film to stick around and the next generation of young photographers have so little experience with film, especially any format larger than 35mm. Phones are ubiquitous. If this keeps the format alive, I’m all for it. If my kids were old enough to shoot with me, I’d definitely consider using this to teach them about the format.

A company trying to lower the price and availability of a film pano camera shows a real passion for film photography. Using a digital viewfinder is required in film cinema cameras so you are in good stead using the phone. The weight and cost of the camera should be enough for you to get over the clash of technologies. Else there is always hypnosis. Thanks for bringing this camera to light.

Considering how unattainable a pano film body is nowadays, this seems a really good option. An optical viewfinder module (preferably with a built-in meter) would be welcomed.

@counterfit5

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Looks like they plan to offer an optical VF (sans metering) early next year

@KitLaughlin

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I think the hybrid approach has a lot going for it, especially if the phone meters correctly, as you found. The iphone display is WAY better than the optical viewfinders I have used in the past.

@MorningNapalm

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Personally I would be quite happy with an accurate viewfinder without a meter. I have enough meters I could use. In a pinch, I could also use the iPhone app for framing, but I would not use the film simulations and metering, that does seem like cheating.

I've used my iPhone with a viewer app to find compositions when shooting 4x5. It makes it easier than setting up the camera, looking through the ground glass, only to find that you're not happy with the composition. I've even used the level function on my phone to make sure the camera is set up flat.

A few years ago, I definitely thought that film photography was 'pure' and unadulterated, but I have come to realize that ultimately the pictures you take are YOURS and you can do whatever you need to do to them to achieve your artistic vision. There is no right or wrong way to approach film photography - some highly accomplished film photographers physically cut their negatives to use on collages or develop them in film 'soups' to get weird effects; I personally would never do that, but it's their photography, and it helps them achieve their vision. I don't think using a IPhone as a viewfinder and meter really detracts from the image itself, since you still have a beautiful 6x17 negative!

@ThomasHeatonPhoto

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Well said. I agree, completely. Especially about the pictures being YOURS 👍

@KNURKonesur

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To me film still allows for some things that aren't doable with digital cameras, unless you go into CGI, that's what keeps me shooting it. And the feeling of doing more things yourself, cause I like to mix my chemicals and develop at home. Digital doesn't have that aura of everything being self-made and laid with traps along the way.

@simperingham

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@@KNURKonesur What do you do with film that you can’t do with digital?

Personally, I think this hybrid method is not that bad. For newcomers, learning how to shoot film can be quite a brutal experience: committing to 10 to 36 shots and knowing weeks later if you were in the right ballpark slows down the progress. If this can help people to continue to shoot film and get camera companies to build new gear, I’m all for it.

You are so right about film cameras being ‘cool’! As I am now too old to carry heavy digital systems, but enjoy the process of photographing when out and about, I have treated myself to a couple of folding medium format cameras, one from about 1937 and the other from the 1950s. Lightweight, portable, fun to use, produce great photos and enhance my image as a mad old woman 😂! Love your videos - so ‘real’ and unpretentious.

I rented an XPan not too many years ago and loved it. Shortly after the rental company stopped renting it and the used prices went crazy. That was a super fun little camera. For the viewfinder you could always go the cheap and lightweight route: some card stock, cut a rectangle in it matching the "film" size, then attach a pre-cut string to match the focal length of the lens. Hold it up to your eye, using the string to gauge the focal length. I still have that for my 4x5 to make "seeing" easier.

In amateur digital photography 'coolness' of gear creeps in the same way like in film photography. Difference is, you want newest gear instead of oldest gear. That intro before logo was magic 👌

The results that you produced with Big Bertha are gorgeous. I'd gladly take her on most any hike. She's worth it. I think old film cameras are like beautiful old classic cars. They should be cherished and revered.

Hey Thomas! I understand your points and I thought to share my experience. I shoot the fuji G617 and I know how bad it can be bringing it around (with a tripod that supports its weight) but I still brought it on some 4000m peaks during a photo project I'm doing and I would do it every time. It's sturdy, it feels great shooting with it and the added weight makes the challenge even more challenging - which is a plus if you like that as I do. So my point is: use the camera that inspires you the most and if you can have a setup that will deliver everywhere in the world even without a charged up phone well go with it! We will all suffer from low back pain anyway lol

Another great video Tom. I love that you explore the psychology surrounding photography and delve into the thought processes behind your images.

So, I’ve been shooting (and processing film in my darkroom) for over 40 years and shooting digital for 20 years. When I rock up at a location / event I don’t really take much notice of what other folks are using nor does it make me feel cool / superior / inferior if I’m using my film camera instead of my digital camera. I’m only really bothered about coming away with some decent pics. I enjoyed your video and sharing your thinking…interesting to see these “trauma’s” you have. Plus I’d never heard of that camera so I defo learnt something new.

My 4x5 always draws a crowd for sure. And let's not even get into how pleasurable it is to put the transparencies/negatives on the light table. Excellent video Mr Heaton.

The images look so good and it's such an interesting camera and it's history. Please so more like this and great job on the video. ❤️

I think its awesome that film photography is making a comeback, and that there still are new brands coming out making them, one thing im not sure of is using your phone as a viewfinder, the idea using an app for your settings and getting a preview is great but it does makes film photography seem less ''magical'', I understand they also want to attract a younger audience but I think most of them including me actually prefer a ''oldschool'' viewfinder. Technology is great and all but everyone wants a break from it sometime. We already spend so many hours on our phones to keep our social lives together I dont need another thing to be run by my phone.

Loved it! At the age of 59 I have given in to the modern world and have to say I’ve never had so much fun, not just photography based but in all aspects of life. The one thing I hate though is social media, but then that’s just to far for me to go. Why would someone want to watch an old man dancing for 30 seconds.

Another great video and didn't even know they still made film cameras. So there you go! Must say that first shot of the wind turbines was amazing. I like the film photographs, it makes a change to see something that just is!

As a few others have said I do admire the way they have mixed old and new and created a unique piece of equipment. Being a 3d printer lover myself(elegoo shout out) it's right up my street. Hats off to the inventor who created it👏

I haven't shot a film camera since taking up photography seriously only within the last decade. Before that I had film point and shoot cameras as a kid. I love the idea of exploring film though and this seems like a perfect hybrid to me. I would be tempted to take this as a step forward

I totally understand the "purity of film and older analogue techniques" angle. For me from the opposite direction, I have a Lumix S1 and the most interesting shots I take with it are usually with a reconditioned Helios 44/2 that I bought from Ebay for cheap strapped on the front. There's more work, more decision making, more character and the feeling that I'm shooting through a lens that's only two years younger than my not young self definitely adds to the experience. Everything feels more intentional if that makes sense. It's made me want to invest in more characterful old lenses rather than chase all the 'ultimate corner to corner sharpness and near instant autofocus with the new something something motor...' that you get with modern lenses. I expect after 10km of hiking with the lighter pano camera and without a light meter in your pocket it might feel easier to give up some of the purity for practicality and less sore shoulders.

Love your video. I'm an old man.Many years,in the darkroom many cameras fils and lenses.Lihnof 6x17 was my goal.But i had sinar for many years.Thank you so much,now i feel better.Greetings from Capri,in Italy

I love the hybrid nature of it. Old and new coming together is a great thing IMO. Thanks for sharing this with us Tom. Looking forward to seeing what images it produces in the future.

I think it's the same with turntables and vinyl, that wonderful feeling of analogue 'coolness'. I grew up with only film and vinyl, so I understand that retro need, but now I just love the ease and creativity that digital recordings and cameras give me. Film is so expensive to process and scan here in New Zealand, but I remember developing and printing my own black and white film with fondness.

@AlanKlughammer

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For me, the final result is what counts. In that regard, film falls short. I grew up when film was the only thing available. In fact, I owned a one hour photofinishing store. I understand film quite well. I love the freedom, control, and, above all, results my digital cameras (D500, D850) give me. I am not the market for this camera. One day I may try shooting 4x5, or larger film again, but I don't know if I could put up with the hassle of dealing with film again. But for street cred, nothing beats a large format camera.

@dre400

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@@AlanKlughammer how exactly does film fall short? Digital is easier to get a perfectly exposed, in focus photo. With film it’s easier to get the color ones after. But for experienced shooters neither falls short imo. Quality wise it depends as well, but i do think film with its dynamic range and up to over 1000mp (large format) wins. Even 35mm can produce very high quality photos hence why movie studios still choose the format for their blockbuster movies.

@dre400

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@@AlanKlughammer how exactly does film fall short? Digital is easier to get a perfectly exposed, in focus photo. With film it’s easier to get the color ones after. But for experienced shooters neither falls short imo. Quality wise it depends as well, but i do think film with its dynamic range and up to over 1000mp (large format) wins. Even 35mm can produce very high quality photos hence why movie studios still choose the format for their blockbuster movies.

@AlanKlughammer

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@@dre400 I would argue that film is not easer to colour balance. I guess if you are paying someone else to print your images, or you just rely on default scanner presets. As for resolution, you can't compare large format film to a much smaller digital sensor. Size for size, I would say digital has more resolution. Negative film may have a bit more dynamic range than most digital sensors, but for real world use, ie printing, (or even scanning film to show on a screen) the limiting factor is the print process, so it is a wash. Reversal film (is that even still a thing?) has much lower dynamic range than modern digital. Personally, having grown up with film, gone to school to learn film photography, (in other words, I really do know about film) I much prefer digital.

@dre400

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@@AlanKlughammer I agree, my argument was more based on beginners. As one can also argue about the digital benefits i mentioned won’t necessarily be true for an experienced photographer either. A 35mm film photo has the resolution equivalent to 87mp. A 6x45 film camera which can be compared to a medium digital has a resolution of 360mp. And then you have the opportunity to go much larger if you’d like. Digital has many benefits as well of course and it all depends on what suits the photographer the best. But when we’re discussing the final result, digital is not necessarily better than film on the spec sheet. If we compared film vs digital overall, i’d say it depends on the photographer. One format is not superior over the other

I haven't been able to articulate why I shoot film ( plus digital, when the occasion calls for it ), but your explanation of your reasons hits home. Using film just gives me a greater sense of accomplishment than digital, and when it goes wrong, I work it out and try again. I use my phone to calculate reciprocity factors, as well as using the same viewfinder app to work out compositions when I'm too lazy to get the camera out of the bag, so I'm all for it. I'm interested in this camera when it becomes generally available!

Truly enjoyed this video. Thanks Thomas... I'm always inspired by your work; it gets me up and running on my photo shoots.

I totally appreciate the analog process, it has a value on itself, the value of the craft, the artisan, the care that is placed in each piece, I can see there is a value on it by itself. But I wouldn't draw a line between analog and digital processes. The best example I can tell you are the platinum palladium old methods applied using a digital negative. It is a wonderful way to mix both processes. People like nick brandt have been moving from film, to scanned film, to digital and i don't think no one can complain about the results.

As a subscriber to your channel for years Thomas, I think you value the experience first and the image second and I think that's amplified when you are shooting film as there is the unknown until you get the film processed. if you feel using the hybrid approach takes away from that experience by using the Noble then your own personal enrichment line between digital and analogue will no doubt become more blurred. Personally I would keep the two entities separate as that way you have the option of jumping between the two when you fancy a change

I totally get the special feeling when shooting with such iconic analog cameras. This “Noblex” seems to be able to become a functional no nonsense tool for shooting analog panoramic pictures though

Nice video! This will suit a lot of people. For those who don't use "smart phones" (for whatever reason) it'd be nice to have a viewfinder of some sort. On the whole, though, it's great to see people innovating. Well done to Noble design, and good luck to them!

Thomas I always enjoy your videos. I began in photography when film was the only option. Today I continue to shoot Hasselblad film and also Hasselblad digital. 4x5 and 6x12 film cameras are an option I shoot with, and APS-C digital. I agree with you on most everything except the iPhone being used as a viewfinder and light meter. It is still analog if you use an electronic viewfinder and light meter; film is FILM. I find some optical viewfinders attached to a camera to be too much out of the composition for my needs. I have used the Artist Mark II iPhone app for viewfinder with my 4x5 pinhole camera and without it, I would simply be wasting film. Cheers from across the pond.

Film SLRs had metering and through the lens view if the world so you can think of the smartphone as returning to that functionality. I'm not picky on film cameras so if I had the money, I would definitely buy some thing like a 3D printed Pano camera rather than "Big Bertha" then spend the money I saved on film. The images were stunning by the way!

This was fascinating for me as I’m very new to photography. Had no idea panoramic film was a thing, it looks incredible and the whole process of using the camera and taking the shots seems really pure and beautiful. Great video!

@andykphoto

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The thing is, the film itself isn’t panoramic, it’s the way the body/lens uses it.

Ever shot a Holga? A lot of people thought it was a joke until someone created a set of images that were so desirable that everyone wanted to shoot on one. Or another thought; you have a great image you created. Everyone loves it. Inevitably someone says “Great Shot! What kind of camera do you use?” Point being; the image we create has been executed by the instrument behind the camera. The camera is just the canvas in which its put on. I love film and want to get back to the whole darkroom thing. I find the film cameras of yesteryears are ludicrously high. So if this camera takes off? Sign Me Up! Don’t care what they think about the camera, just about the images. Great video!

I really like that camera, I like the Fuji one as well, but they're all well out of my price range. For my panorama fix I've just bought myself a Vermeer 617 pinhole camera. I won't get pinsharp pictures, but I do get the fun of shooting wide angle panos, and the relief of seeing images on the film after I've developed it! I'm doing the same as that camera does though. There's no viewfinder on the Vermeer, so I'm framing by placing my phone on top of the camera to get an idea of what I'm pointing at. The Vermeer's angle of view is wider than my phone though lol. You're so right on that feeling of superiority as well! I try so hard not to, but you see all the others checking they've got the shot, that it's sharp, there's no blur etc and you've just got to trust your ability and go away and hope you've got something. And when you have, that sense of achievement can't be matched by any digital camera.

Back in the 70's I used a Kodak 8X10 field camera. It was a great way to make beautiful black and white photographs. Black cloth and ground glass focusing. The Kodak field cameras are fairly light and are still not too expensive. Shooting paper negatives (ASA 6+/-) can be an affordable way to make images. Paper is blue sensitive so the sky burns out and gives an old time look to the image.

Coming from a pre digital film background I drifted back to shooting film initially just for channel content however I found I loved the experience so much I shot more and more on older cameras I developed the film at home then went digital to scan the negs and produce a digitised image at the end for me it’s about enjoying the process and not worrying about the whole film v digital thing they are both incredible mediums. Great vid love the convent of the 3D printed camera

I referred to the video and purchased the ND 6x17. The product quality is so outstanding that it surprised me. This is a very beginner-friendly and easy-to-maintain camera, and the usage and image results are satisfying. Thank you for the information provided in the video, it's very helpful.

great insight . i actually did a video last year with a few of us using a 100 year old medium format camera vs my a7riv at the time and it was really interesting to see. one you slow down loads and the image quality was still amazing.

Great video. Would love to see that setup in real life this weekend at the Heaton Baxter Meet-up. I’ve just had my first roll of film developed in years having bought a Pentax Super-A SLR. I love the idea of the Noble Designs pano camera. Brings together both old and new tech.

Nothing beats a nice pano. I've been using a Shen Hao 6x17 view camera for several years now. Definitely not "portable", but its a joy to shoot with. There is a bit of suspense when waiting to have the film developed and then seeing your results...but that's all part of the experience.

I believe that if we really want new film cameras to be produced, we have to face the fact that they will for sure be something "half-digital-half-analog". The digitalisation of these cameras will make them a lot lighter (a microchip doesn't need all the space that old circuitry does, which still is electronic and somewhat "digital") and a lot more functional. I also think that it will be cheaper to produce such kind of cameras, and also to repair them. Thank you Thomas for making this video and giving an insight on where "modern analogue" photography is going, it really brings up a lot of philosophical and ontological questions that add up to the "where the analog ends and where the digital starts?" discussion that goes on from decades

Thomas, thanks for the great video, as usual. I too am a "grumpy old man" (in his 30s), and I started going to film photography because I feel digital tech has just become... "empty" (?) on a personal level (and I'm a software developer, so that's my bread and butter). Yeah the digital camera will take a perfect image _exactly_ as you set it. And that's great for someone who lives off of photography and needs to get a great shot almost every single time! But it does feel there's way too much faff around gear and pixels and dynamic range and FPS and... it's just tiring. I do enjoy my X100V when I'm out traveling with my partner because it lets me take vacation snaps and it's more than good enough to get creative. But there's this feeling when using film where, I don't know, yes it's a bother with metering or doing sunny-16 in your head, and yes you get this feeling you probably blew it because you can't just SEE it, but I feel like I get more in the moment than whenever I'm shooting with any of my digital cameras. To me there's just this feeling of magic where you go "this thing is ENTIRELY mechanical, the process is ENTIRELY physical and I can't believe that it just captured the view in front of me" that I can't shake off. Having to strap a phone to my camera to do metering would pull me entirely off of that zone, and in fact it does every time I pull out a phone to calculate exposure, to the point where I got an old Sekonic off eBay. I've also gone off rambling somewhere, but I guess that is the way of things. It's an entirely subjective experience and if the experience means something to you, then it's hard to justify, but you also don't need to and one can just hope to transmit a hint of that feeling to someone else. Cheers mate!

I totally agree it’s mostly about having fun BUT I’m going to take the nay side on this one. I see a parallel with how we navigate while driving on a road trip. Bear with me…when I am on a road trip, one the best parts is the meditative aspect of total immersion in the environment, the observations, the mind wandering, the getting lost and finding new things. When we navigate with a physical map (the analog) we can achieve those things most trips. When we navigate with a gps/phone (digital) we often cannot. I suppose you could expand to hiking as well, with topo maps vs something like AllTrails. So I actually say: stick with full analog if what you are seeking is full disconnection and immersion without distractions.

Love the concept of this camera old school meet's new tech and both work together in the age of all the latest and greatest camera gear old school film is a timeless classic that make's you really slow and take the concept of what you want to capture .... Love it

Your comments about whipping out the cool film camera and the purity of the process - for me they're absolutely spot on. It's cool that someone is making this camera, and hopefully it finds some supporters, but it's not for me. Better start saving for the real deal!

I used to shoot the Fujifilm 6x17 monster from time to time when I could borrow it, just after it came out. It was great for shooting long loads on long trucks. Don’t forget you can turn those monster sideways to get some pretty interesting shots in the city doing verticals from mid way on one building to another you want to capture. Now, a 6x17 digital sensor, that would be interesting. That app looks interesting. Might try it on a Fujifilm X-E camera.

Love that camera! Love that concept of bridging the technologies of a fully manual camera (as far as it looked like) and a phone. I have been shooting film since 1986 (with a 5 year break between 2004 and 2009) and for me its never about feeling better or doing better, its what I know best. I have a canon 60D, I have had a couple of other digital cameras, they just do not produce results I want. I would feel a bit strange to have an EV on a film camera, but if it allows magnification that might actually be useful. Also, as others have pointed out, if you are not in the dark room, but in Lightroom or Photoshop, you already made that transition. I strongly believe we need to camera manufactures and I am glad to see this, next to the efforts with Pinhole and Insta and Lomography, etc. Personally I cannot related to the feeling off superiority when pulling out one of my cameras. For me its what works, its a tool. I love developing my film and I finally get back to wet printing. But if you go film to scan, good for you. Use the tools that feel good and give you the results you want. Purity checks never go to good places :D

Thank you for giving the info for this brand. My search for a film panorama is now ended. This setup (yes, along with the phone) is absolutely what is best. The whole setup is compact, minimalist and with optimum level of convenience. No need to invest in spot meters (saves money), no need to carry any other digital camera for metering. The Viewfinder app will allow us to store a very low-resolution reference and meter the scene as well. This setup will give us image quality which will compete or exceed GFX100 (I presume) while being way cheaper (may be 1/5th or lesser price).

A fascinating idea Thomas, A digitally produced wide format FILM camera that relies on an iPhone for composition,....interesting. I am one of those "Older generation" who grew up with only FILM. I love digital and the reliability of being able to get the shot I want without wasting many roles of film ($$$$). I still have a PENTAX 35mm FILM camera, I use it occasionally for nostalgic reasons. That Panographic camera is fantastic and I'm sure many will want to have one for the sheer pleasure of using it and being the coolest photographer in the group LOL!

I have a similar camera from another manufacturer. One suggestion is to slide you phone over so that your phone’s lens better lines up with your camera lens. Probably not an issue with far away shots, plus close up shots will match your phone screen better.

Great video. I think there are tons of ways to combine digital and analog. This alone gave me the idea to make a way to attach my iPhone to my Bronica to make it even easier to meter and rough framing…sort of a modern rangefinder (instead of having the two separate, which works too for exposure). Scanning film with digital camera (or otherwise) is already common. And I’m working on ways to make my wet darkroom easier to work in with a little digital. It feels like a time of great innovation.

I think the ability to use the iPhone for framing and especially metering would be a big attraction to those shooting film for the first time and give them more confidence that the images with be properly exposed and not be wasting film.

Beautiful photos as always Thomas!

Great watch. Lovely pics 😃

Liked your thoughts on the mix of digital and analog. Some film photographers are hard core, using a light meter or the camera light meter, capturing the image on film, developing it themselves, and maybe even dark room printing the winners themselves. I take my hat off to them, but few people will see that print. If you want to display your images on line, there's a digital element to scan it, either by a scanner or digital camera, which involves digital software, then however you choose to edit in Lightroom/Photoshop/other software. So the mix of digital and analog doesn't bother me. I put film through a Fujica GW690 and Canon 7, and love the experience with both. I recently was in Yukon's Tombstone park with the GW690, and while I really liked the digital images, I am over the moon with some of the film images. And you're right about the conversation. I go out with my Canon digital, and nobody looks twice. But go out with the film cameras, and every time I have had a conversation with strangers about the camera or film in general.

The Fuji GSW690III is a 6x9 Rangefinder with an excellent 28mm “equivalent” lens. About $1,200 in excellent condition, and you get 8 shots per roll! The 6x9 negative can easily be cropped to 16x9 aspect ratio, or wider. IMO - best affordable solution for Film Pano 😎👍📷

@AR-vf7vg

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(AND if you plan indeed to crop, than compose with "shift" in mind.)

It seems to me that one can shoot film for a number of reasons, being cool is only one of them and the only one that this setup might compromise. The aesthetic is still there and the manual metering *can* still be there. I am intrigued by the idea of shooting film for simply capturing locations with a result that has a period feel. The process, the vibe, and the place all sending me back in time. Anyway, faffing on. Cheers!

Hey Tom, you don’t half waffle a load of sh@t sometimes - but to be frank, that’s one of the things I always love about your videos; the honesty about how you feel, the insecurity about talking to camera when people are around, as well as all this twoddle about what camera makes you feel cool around other photographers, or not as the case may be. You’re right about some of these things, but whilst we all can think about these things sometimes, some of us over-think things (like you), or worse still actually give a sh@t about what other people think. I used to, but I’m 50 next year and for at least the last 10 years I mostly stopped caring and I’m much the happier for it. I see it in my 17 year old daughter, and it reminds me how glad I am a to have all that crap behind me. As for “cool kids” with “cool cameras” - the real truth is that what actually makes them look ‘cool’ is that they look like they feel comfortable in their own skin with whatever crap they believe is their ‘cool’ thing! Don’t get me wrong, whatever makes you feel good about yourself or inspired is “real” in that, if it fosters creativity through confidence you will try new things and not doubt yourself so much - as a result of which you may actually produce better work, so in that sense it’s “real” and worth whatever it took or cost - end of. As for this prototype camera, if you walk out there with it and totally ‘own it’ - you’ll get the same reaction you were talking about from the things you already believe in (that’s the point). Don’t have any issue with the mix of technologies - in fact I was hoping you’d shoot the images both using the Viewfinder app with film simulations as well and show us some comparisons. That would be interesting too. You could also shoot short video clips of the scene from the same POV to put side by side with the analogue image. However, given most of the mechanical photographic technology lies in the attached lens, including the shutter, it does strike me as pretty expensive for the camera body - I know they’ve invested a lot of time and money developing it, but I think they’d get into profit quicker by selling more of them at a lower price point (JMHO). Great video and would love to see some more like this - sorry for the LONG comment 😉

Indeed. Loved this video too. I actually love the idea of this camera/concept and that new analog offerings like this are coming to market. I would love to own a copy

Love this 3D printed camera. I use my iPhone as a light meter when shooting with my Leica M4-P. In this context my iPhone is a light meter, period! You also capture the fun you have when shooting a camera loaded with film in the frames.

Great Video! The quarrel between analog and digital is very real. I really enjoy shooting black and white film and processing it in the darkroom. I also enjoy shooting photography with digital cameras as well. The cameras and gear are just tools to allow you to create your vision in my opinion. I say, use whatever tools work so you get the final printed image you desire. Thank you for the video.

GREAT conversation, and amusing. Wouldn't argue any thoughts you've entered here about anything, agree w/ the temper of your enthusiasm, love it.

I get the sense filming the video was cathartic for you :) The return to "analogue" can be seen as nostalgia in those of us of a certain age, and for the youth who were weened on technology its an act of rebellion. As a professional photographer you need to produce images people will pay for. Frankly very few of them will know or care whether it was shot on film or digital. If digital provides you with the maximum earning potential for a given level of time and effort in producing the images, then let your own analogue affinity to film be your hobby, avoid mixing it with the day job. Keep it up, I look forward to your videos each week

What's up Thomas? You're right my friend. You do feel special when using a film camera. Right now I'm using a Nikon D3300 entry level Digital camera with the DX 18-55 zoom along with a 55-300 Nikon lens. But there is something about shooting with my Nikon 6006 Analog camera. Even though it's fully electronic I do love using it. These cameras will teach up all about the photography triangle of f/stop, shutter speed, and ISOs the hard way. When you are using a film camera there is no deletes and re-shoots. When you trip that shutter, that shot belongs to you. How ever it turns out. This is a good video. I think people need to know this about film. That, and a really dark room will test your skills and patience. But you'll have loads of fun along the way. Great video! Peace!

Fun video Thomas! I remember being at Blea Tarn last year, I had been snapping away for hours with my digital camera when a guy turned up and stood next to me with his Hasselblad film camera, took one image and then left. I was in awe! I think you are spot on with analogue discussion, I love my Nikon FE film cameras because they are superbly engineered, great to handle, lovely to look at and the 3D printed one ( even though before I retired that was my business ) just doesn't fill that requirement many of us have to own things that are beautiful and useful. the Noble may be useful but its far from beautiful.

Nice to find this video!! Lovely panoramic Photography. I am an analogue photographer and I glad to see this new camera coming up. I love panoramic photography. I still have a Xpan II and it is one of my favourites . Of course the Hasselblad is a unique concept . I also have a FE 303 Hasselblad in square format top of the top camera in negative photography. Yes it is old school photography and it is untouchable .... Thank you for sharing this new Old camera experience !!!!!

3D printed cameras are a great idea, there's quite a few out there including my Goodman Zone Z1 from Dora Goodman Cameras. 3D printing camera bodies to accept lenses and film backs that are already out there gives these items new life rather than being sat on a shelf or even worse, going into landfill. My Goodman Zone uses a Mamiya RB67 Pro S 6x7 film back and a Schneider - Kreuznach Super Angulon 90mm f/8 lens. It was a steep learning curve and I have grown to really enjoy using it. I don't get hung up about mixing digital with film either. A mobile/cell phone is a tool to be used with an app for just about everything.

Hey, I AM "old, grumpy, and cynical", so, obviously, you are young, brilliant, highly perceptive, and have many valuable insights to share with the universe! That's only slightly sarcastic - I'm 74, which feels plenty old, grumpy and cynical comes with the territory, etc., but yours was the first photographer's channel I subscribed to, I love your photos (mostly), and a new video from Tom is a bright spot in my day. Thanks for sharing yourself and your work with the rest of us!

I loved shooting with my xPAN, may be more than with every other camera. All manual. I shot landscape on a tripod, reportage in hand, even hand held panning on cars & things. Some great keepers are still in my mind and archive. Today I shoot digital. The instant feedback makes me advancing as better photographer. The downside: I miss the panoramic aspect ratio! This wide framing is so great. No, shooting and cropping never comes close in experience - and stitching is a very different thing (but not too bad as well if the scenery is static)

Interesting video and and images. The camera is something to look into as I like to shoot the panoramic photos.

I think it's a clever idea. the blending of the two mediums. It's also a good bet that once this camera gets more popular that someone will 3d print a rangefinder for it.

Good video. I grew up shooting film (all there was at the time). At the price point you mentioned, I would be tempted to give it a go once it comes onto the marketplace.

I agree with your generalization of film photography on KZread. There seem to be a number of channels that take mediocre images using portra 400 in an expensive pro-level body from back in the day. It's cool and the better channels are entertaining. Use the tool that inspires you. No one's cares about the hammer used to build their house, but they do care how well it was built. I want to take better photographs not just film photographs.

Fun video! As always, your candor is refreshing. Since I am close to 3 times your age, I have a slightly different take on film versus digital. My favorite camera was probably the Pentax 67, followed by its little sibling the Pentax 645. The most useful powerful camera I ever used was the medium format Arca Swiss 69. Just like Darth Vader said “ You don’t know the power of a view camera.” None the less, as one of your commenters said, you scan film and print digitally. So you are already 67% digital anyway. I really love that little 3D 617 camera, but honestly if you want to shoot 617 I think you are much better off with a Shen Hao 617. More flexibility and more power. Lastly, my solution is to use a GFX 100S and shoot 65::24 aspect ratio. This gives a 50MB image that is 11,648x4304 pixels. It just seems a simpler approach. And given that my first camera was an Ansco box camera was used blue flash bulbs, I’ve tried a few options in my day.

I still shot on 35mm film but photoshop and the digital domain are way superior for me for scanning and getting my image right. I don't miss the darkroom. I've always shot on slide film and being able to make a printable image of my slides and be able to get past the nature of slide as a projection medium is amazing. Would never have thought 40 years ago we would be this far ahead today in now 2023..... So room for both analogue and digital. They make a nice mix.

think you're spot on about the aesthetic/cultural capital aspect of shooting film. I love the images celluloid yields but i'm yet to work on a project where it would be even vaguely practical.

Hey Tom! Even though I’m saddened about you using less Fuji cameras these days, I still understand why you moved onto you Nikon full-frame camera. I also just wanted to mention that I really enjoyed how you would preview the images you took again at the end of your videos. I thought that was a really nice touch that you added about a year ago and I hope you bring it back again. All the best and I can’t wait to see where you shoot next! P.S. You should come to Ohio sometime and shoot the landscape around here. I think I could point you in the direction of some pretty interesting locations. Haha

Definitely interested in this camera. Using the app/phone doesn’t bother me. I already use a light meter app on my phone quite often when shooting medium format, which speeds up the problem solving process prior to the shot. How the image is recorded is what matters most to me because that’s where digital just can’t replicate film.

looks like you really had a blast! I know just watching the video, I surely did! wow, tyvm! :)

Thanks Thomas. Great video. I am thinking the app could be useful on a lot of my old film cameras.

This is quite cool. I also enjoy shooting with something like a Nikon F80 which no one notices. Agreed it is more fun with something like a Nikon f2 but the convenience factor makes up for it.

Thanks, Thomas. I think the same thinking can be applied to those who like to use and feel superior when using Fuji XT-series cameras. There's just something about fiddling with camera settings that set you apart from the purely digital camera crowd. In fact, it's the logical extension of the auto vs manual debate.

Great video. The camera is a very impressive engineering feat. Computing the solution parallax issue raised by the location of the apple lens and the film exposure area. My answer to the question, “Why not just use the phone, is some people want a true analog image not an ai derived digital image. If the new camera’s lens is worth the money, then the camera’s real value is probably justified. There are not many potential buyers that do not have a smart-phone. Why should they buy an additional light meter or viewfinder. I think Sigma uses an attachment to make their digital screen visible in bright conditions. The new camera makes every photographer’s smartphone more valuable. My last observation , the smartphone can be used to document the location of the film image.

For me film photography is about the process of thinking through and capturing the image. This includes thinking about the limits of the film that I'm using, the limits of the shutter speed/aperture and also just the more tactile feeling of using a film camera. I shoot mechanical film cameras, so this feeling is amplified when you feel everything happen with depressing the shutter. I think digital is more convenient and the images you get are "Better" as you can make them look like whatever film you want. but for me it comes down to the process and the art of creation from the old cameras.

Hi Tom. Thank you for this and all your other videos. I would say, however, those I really appreciate are your photography / editing teaching-tutorial videos. Best wishes.

I gotta agree with you on the phone ruining it a bit. I've shot digital for several years, and just found a Pentax Spotmatic in a antique store in France for 15 Euros. Figured "what the hell", bought it, found some film. And the feeling you get when you can just walk around with a film camera is really nice. Like having a book instead of a Kindle or tablet. At first I had to download an app for metering, but once I got a battery for the internal meter in the Pentax to work, it felt so good. Not sure what it is. Just nice sometimes to leave your phone and digital camera behind, and go search for photos with just a film camera. Been loving it.

Love this! I would definitely like to try it

Hi Thomas I’m with you I loved film photography and when auto focus cameras came on the market I bought one an Nikon F601 I hated it having been used to my old trusty Nikon fe I hated the lenses so I sold it and bought a new fm . Along came digital and I bought a Nikon d70 tried to use my old Nikon lenses and obviously the wasn’t any metering so gave up and just bought a point and shoot . I have now bought a Nikon d700 still using my old manual Nikon lenses and every thing is right in the world again . The long and short of it is it’s the feeling taking pictures, I still love my old Nikon fm it’s the quality of the lens focusing setting the aperture still gives me the feeling of film with the convenience . Great video keep them coming

I built my own camera, and after some shots I workout the viewfinder range so I also built a viewfinder (just a rectangle). Everything is low tech, a bit finicky and it took a good amount of experimenting and lost film. And I love every minute of it. I also develop my film. I'll say this whole process has fine tuned and sharpened my senses, so much so, I notice it when I take my digital camera. The film and the process around it creates an awareness and a deep bond to the craft. Try it out, go completely raw, only use the phone as timer perhaps. Let go, make mistakes, find creative solutions to the self imposed limitations and enjoy!

To me when I go out with my Hasselblad or Nikon FM it's all about trusting my skill in photography, be it the focus, the metering and composition and also my knowledge about the film which when combined together and it turns out to be a good image gives me a feeling like no other. With film I can turn off and take a step back from social Media and technology and with it being fully mechanic it just feels different. I'm sure there will be people buying this but I think it'll be more of a gateway drug than the hard stuff you'll get into after

Very informative and thought provoking video. Good to see you tonight walking the handsome Monty on the top. Cheers Thomas, do well. Neil

Been shooting a lot of film lately, its amazing how quick you burn through a roll 120 on 6x7!! Wish you would do a 6x17 film pack i got your Hasselblad pack and loved the shots, would love to buy a set of 6x17 prints!!

If camera makes the job and you enjoy it - let it be. Regarding phone - best part of my beginner photographer path is, that I put it in the pocket and forget about it (until it rings). I would say dedicated view finder is needed to remove distraction that phone adds to the process. But I don't photograph on film.

It’s exciting that new film cameras are being designed and manufactured

Best of both worlds, the authentic look and feel of film prints with the tech for the rest… Could be a winner for the price. 👍

2:07 I guess pulling out a Phase One has the same effect. Anyhow: my thoughts about film photography: I was shooting film for landscape subject for more than a decade using a Graflex, then a Cambo monorail system which was fun to hike with. At least that was part of the experience. :) I have a complete 6x6 setup which I used more for street / macro subject. I even built my own dark room with jobo processor and durst enlarger. So I was quite involved. Back then I never had this isseu about pureness and I used my phone or my digital camera for metering with no problem. The purpose of shooting LF was to reproduce the details which was quite impossible back then with a ~12MP digital cameras I could afford. Since I became lucky enough to be able to shoot with Phase One system, which can reproduce even more detail than 4x5 film (except high resolution ortho film), and it can do it in stormy weather, I feel less and less intrigued to load my film holders. Once upon a time GAS kicks in, and I contemplate on buying 8x10 camera (I already have a set of lenses for that size), but then I realize that I'd never use it enough to validate the investment. The current film prices are one thing that pulls against this setup. But this 617 camera might be a fun camera to shoot with, and it might be the golden middle way... :)

Big love for you man ❣️.