I'm a local, I live in the area. Let me say this and be very clear. There are no flights from the US direct to Tas. When he says he flew to Darwin international, then decides it was Hobart, he claims it was a 2 hour drive from the location. From Hobart up to Natone it's a good 4.5 drive. There is no chance you'd fly to Hobart, you'd fly to Devonport or Launceston. None of his itinerary makes sense. His description of the roads, farmland and bush, however, is spot on.

@thundfh7047

2 ай бұрын

I am not arguing that the story and the photos are real. I have no idea. But I want to say that the flight paths are the least problematic of the whole story. I am a frequent flyer and I always state my flight trips as "Start location" - "End Location". I normally don't state a layover; only if I get asked about it or there was something special about the layover.

@Tasmanaut

2 ай бұрын

@@thundfh7047 but you would know if you had to get off one plane and onto another - even if you don't remember what place it was, you'd remember that it happened, surely?

@thundfh7047

2 ай бұрын

@@Tasmanaut yes, definitely. Some flights are kind of blurring together and I would have to think about it for a moment, but I would absolutely know it. I do have some friends that are not into flying and for them it's just about getting from A to B as fast as possible. I could see them forgetting about something like that, but I don't know. It's just that I had the "how can you not remember/know that????"-thought so often with friends and people around me that I tend to be careful with details like that.

@Tasmanaut

2 ай бұрын

@@thundfh7047 we're talking about a 28 hour trip here, it's a really long flight and you'd surely remember getting off one plane and onto another. I can't imagine the kid does this often, it would stick out in his mine.

@communication001

2 ай бұрын

I googled hobart to stowford. Three and a half hours so at a vague guess two is plausible.

So an animal that’s remained completely elusive for around a hundred years, goes up to some guy with mobile phone and poses for him while he shines a torch in its face. As a wildlife photographer, I couldn’t even do this with a common fox.

@MartinRodriguez-cm8gn

2 ай бұрын

He was hurt

@MartinRodriguez-cm8gn

2 ай бұрын

Go watch the real vid not this one

@erinstotler2299

2 ай бұрын

In the post i saw that led me here, stated the thylacine was hit by a car and they thought it was a hurt dog on the side of the road. It was disoriented when it got up but walked away.

@juliasumerling5229

2 ай бұрын

Unless of course they hit it with the car. Also explains why it was laying down and why it had some blood as the guy explains. Though does not mention he hit it with the car. I'm not saying these photos are real, I'm just saying it would explain what is going on in the photo sequence, if this is not fake.

@alexandervelez9507

2 ай бұрын

people would be just as skeptical if it was a random wildlife photographer so i’m not sure why that matters.

If "Zack" can show the plane tickets that would help the credibility of the back story.

@communication001

2 ай бұрын

He's clearly very inaccurate re the flights tho I get that he is confused in his head. My theory is he's confused between lay over and change of plane. Or that he took a ferry.

@luke9911

2 ай бұрын

There is but not on the date he says.

That model looks VERY similar to the one in the alleged photos. The main thing that had me hopeful about the photos was the eye-shine as a painting wouldn't be able to replicate that sort of thing unless you were extremely talented at it. However, seeing the night pictures of that model the eye-shine is there too. As much as I would love to think that someone was able to get evidence of the tigers ongoing existence, too many red flags in the story and the existence of that scarily accurate model likely indicate a hoax.

@TheRonaldbaxter

2 ай бұрын

I think so as well. Looks like the model photos have been blurred and pixelated.

@paulheywood2116

2 ай бұрын

Eye shine is easy to replicate

@DeanSchumacher

2 ай бұрын

paulheywood2116 yes I think there paintings

@msafwan2610

2 ай бұрын

To create an eye shine effect, place retroreflective material in the model's eyes.

@EnzoDraws

2 ай бұрын

I believe those night pics were posted AFTER that video was posted, or at least filmed.

What we need is the original pictures sent to Forest AND Forest talking to the dad who was supposedly there.

@KennethHill-fo6nc

2 ай бұрын

Because, if I'm not mistaken, the meta data on the photos would prove where and when the photos were taken, correct?

@pupdawn

2 ай бұрын

@@KennethHill-fo6nccorrect. I don’t trust the photographer but the meta data could proof time when it was taken, what place etc. this could potentially be huge

@davegink9222

2 ай бұрын

@@pupdawn not necessarily. Depending on how old his computer is, the meta-data may have changed to that of when it was downloaded and saved to the computer.

@flightlesslord2688

2 ай бұрын

@@davegink9222 they were taken on an I-phone, the guy said I-phone 11 if memory serves but seemed unsure

@Firestar-TV

2 ай бұрын

lol the Father would tell him that his Son is talking Crap

Sadly he didn't send the originals , meaning it's most likely fake

@trojanhorse93

2 ай бұрын

The photos should have been passed on to a photo analysis teams to have the layers peeled back and cleaned up.

@joshuaweeksy

2 ай бұрын

I would of ended the conversation as soon as he flew from newyork to tassie direct

@garyhillman4993

2 ай бұрын

Of course it’s fake you’ve more chance finding rocking horse shight and the dodo on the same day

I’ve seen forrests video and, this has got to be the strangest alleged evidence of a thylacine I have ever seen. The evidence seems both really legit yet suspiciously shady at the same time, from the photography and the person in the interview. And it’s just weird

@vladcrow4225

2 ай бұрын

Well, if it's a hoax, this thing is still extinct. If it's not... All we have to do is to find it and make sure it's extinct.

@ninjaskeleton6140

2 ай бұрын

It’s 100% a hoax. Nothing about his story makes any sense. The flights, the airports, the geography. It takes a lot longer to drive from Hobart to Stowport than 2 hours, at least double that. Anyone even vaguely familiar with Tasmania can see the holes in this tale.

I made this point on Forest’s video . To send an image from an iPhone with all the metadata intact (including location) is actually quite difficult ( or at least not intuitive) and the guy who says he took the pictures doesn’t seem very technically minded. With somebody like that this could easily become a big obstacle. The solution is actually quite simple, a couple of settings need to be changed but someone would probably have to nurse him through the process

@sabaahjauhar-rizvi3487

2 ай бұрын

I had not considered that. It’s a valid point. And the not being accurate with the travel plans… sometimes one doesn’t remember all the stops but only the starting and end locations.

@cooliipie

2 ай бұрын

Or he can just bring up his gallery on his phone during the live stream and show it's in the camera roll.... Pretty simple stuff.

@trevordawson2727

2 ай бұрын

I get the impression that the guy is an overweight neck beard, on the spectrum, with a turtle fetish that doesn’t want his identity out there for the exact thing I just did. He’s never comfortable talking, he’s skittish and nervous because he wasnt planning on actually being on camera just talking. So he threw an impromptu stupid disguise, that kept failing. All that together and this is our hoax mastermind? Maybe it was the other guy, Henry. I’m not quite sold myself on this being legit. But a lot of you people saying red flags based on his quirks and weirdness have never felt insecure and socially awkward. This kid is not an academic, most of whom are awkward but love the sound of educating others. I’m guilty of it myself. I myself have found species of snakes outside of their normal range just randomly while doing my job. I take a far better picture than those, send them to my local herpetologist. He says “did you keep the body so we can preserve it (aka pickle it). I always say no but that I can’t provide the data behind the photo including the GPS tag on a map when I took it. That’s not good enough. They need a body in a jar. There have several times where scientists grab what they can of an unknown species to be preserved as holotypes. The specimens all else found have to be compared to. I’m not going to say a lot but more than just a few have never been found again. I I understand the need for the practice, and actually have a few range extensions under my name in jars somewhere. But sometimes it goes too far. I’m not going to get a western hog nose snake killed just because I found one two counties to the east than have ever been found. Mr. “I like turtles” is obviously into herpetology of some sort. He straight up said he’s a nature lover but knows nothing of mammals. He kept saying he thought this thing was a dog. It wasn’t until he sent them to his friend that he figured out it wasn’t a dog. How would Mr “I like turtles)” know something beyond anything he’s ever learned? So now he’s being bombarded by Forrest and questioned which what Forrest has to do as a scientist. This dude is probably regretting he ever sent the photos. And then goes silent. Notice how I keep up the nick name I gave him? You see the stupid name I gave him? Have any of you seen the comments coming after the kid? Yeah he’s most likely gone and we’ll never know the truth. It amazes me that these supposedly intelligent academic types go out of their way to learn the behavior of an animal but totally tramples on another human being because they don’t understand empathy or how to use it. Yes it’s not the scientific method but where on the scientific method can we ever prove humanity as completely logical? Humanity has a convoluted history. You’re ruling out the thylacines still being alive because they’re always fake and because an introvert doesn’t sit on the same level as you, you can dismiss him. And his insecurities as red flag…. I get it though, maybe forrest should have tried to nurture him and just talk to him for longer than he did to coax him out of his shell before he posted a video putting him on the spot..

@xd-qi6ry

2 ай бұрын

The solution isnt simple if you dont know, you have to physically go to photos on your device that it was taken, take a screenshot of that meta data which will include location then you have a copy.

@xd-qi6ry

2 ай бұрын

@@cooliipietrue but the forest guy isn’t smart either, anyone with two braincells knows how to get evidence

Every Australian hopes with all their heart that they are still out there somewhere.

@Arjunarjunskiy

2 ай бұрын

Yeah but this story is complete bollocks

@just_passing_through

2 ай бұрын

@@Arjunarjunskiy Agreed.

@GIGADEV690

2 ай бұрын

You guys are the main reason for their extinction 🦣🦤🦣🦤.

@Alphahydro

2 ай бұрын

Even those of us from America with a fascination for this mythical animal.

@cleverusername9369

2 ай бұрын

American here, I'm obsessed with thylacine and desperately hope to see one alive in my lifetime

As a photographer and artist, I pay a lot of attention to shadows. Specifically, cast shadows. When a shadow is cast, the closer the object is to the surface of the cast shadow, the sharper and darker the shadow edges will be.The farther away the object is from the background, the lighter and more diffuse the shadows will become. In all of these photos, you see a dark cast shadow with sharp edges. If this thing was running outside and they shone a flashlight on it and snapped a photo, the cast shadow would be on the ground or maybe on a bush behind it and no way would it be this clear and dark, especially on the edges. The shadows cast are not natural, they look like the object behind the animal are an inch away. I think they are fake.

@thundfh7047

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, there are some "debunking" videos already online and I have to say that most of them have pretty bad or non conclusive arguments. And they don't mention the shadows which have been the biggest question marks for me. It seems like they are cast against a wall rather than the ground. I am not saying that these shadows don't make sense at all; there might be some weird angles and illumination conditions in which something like that could happen; but they are super sketchy.

@Tr1pMind

2 ай бұрын

shadows look fine to me. you dont really know the guy's flashlight and also the topography of where he filmed it. i don't believe the pics are real tbh. but your judgement is way off

@Eli-234

2 ай бұрын

I just had a look through photos of people and wild animals that I have taken in the dark using a phone. Some using a head torch, others just using the flash. And the shadows look pretty similar to those of the "thylacine". I'm still extremely sceptical though.

@aarons6935

2 ай бұрын

This is basic photography knowledge.

I saw the video the other day on Forrest's channel. My opinion is the guy being interviewed painted these photographs of the alleged thylacine.

@MajungasaurusJackson

2 ай бұрын

i tink its a mix of AI

@EmoSteveIrwin

2 ай бұрын

AI FOR SURE!

@janmitchell3976

2 ай бұрын

@@MajungasaurusJackson i think its a combo of 3d printing and taxidermy just a modern day action figure. posable dummy. and its mouth is a combo of vice grips, and kung-fu grip!

@spencerlucas5835

2 ай бұрын

I believe they accidentally ran it over, once realised what they hit, would you wanna stay Incognito

@EmoSteveIrwin

2 ай бұрын

@@spencerlucas5835 nah that dumb asf

The lead theory is Archesuchus puppet. The only problem is it's getting a bit confusing because people have Photoshopped the puppet to get it closer and it's all getting a bit muddled. However, it looks like the best answer. Oddly the people claiming it's Archesuchus's puppet are very reluctant to consider that it makes Archesuchus the prime suspect and are themselves coming up with equally elaborate excuses for him, such as suggesting he made two and sold one to Zack. The open mouth shot is a fairly close match to the puppet but the comparison image has had the ears changed to get it closer. Archesuchus posted photos of his creation only a few days ago, whereas Zack's metadata is from April 22nd. Zack's photos are much better than most of the ones Archesuchus posted. Archesuchus's puppet drops and sags a bit in the arse end. The stripes are also different. My best guess is Archesuchus is involved in the hoax and he and Zack spent some time getting the puppet into more life-like poses and then touched the rest up in Photoshop including changing small details like the stripes. The pictures Archesuchus then shared on Twitter were intentionally less well posed to keep people guessing. The other possibility which seems much less likely is that Archesuchus's puppet is so life-like it's been mistaken for real photos. The main thing for the puppet theory is the size of the gape of the mouth and the matching angle of the head. Also, the photos do appear to be still and posed. The main things against it is the superiority of the arse, spine and tail on Zack's, as well as the difference in the stripes, and the difference in the ears.

@alhigh9856

2 ай бұрын

Eyes too. Great points

@jimmyrecard6021

2 ай бұрын

maybe Archesuchus was walking down the road in Tasmania with his puppet and they hit him with their car.

On the Twitter model you can actually clearly see a line where the lower jaw connects to the rest of the head but that line isn’t there on the picture of the alleged real thylacine with its mouth open

@alhigh9856

2 ай бұрын

Good spotting

@Thylaman

2 ай бұрын

Images of the doll being altered and touched up is 100% what this is. Despite anatomy defects and profile flaws, the pinpoint focus of the supposed torch light is unrealistic from a zoomed in photo. They all look taken at close range, posing for the camera at various angles as if it's singing and dancing around in circles and smiling for the camera.

@mj.l

2 ай бұрын

@@Thylaman yep, the angles and poses are even the same. dodgy.

@jim4061

2 ай бұрын

It also could be a completely different model

@jim4061

2 ай бұрын

And also most of the positions it’s in are ones we have real pictures of proving it both fake and real

Archesuchus has denied knowing the person or having anything to do with the photos & them being of their model, but they could be playing along to try to make it more ‘believable’.

@soggybiscotti8425

2 ай бұрын

Mate. It's 100% him being a douche. He's even got images of other things with that exact same camera film grain in the dark etc. Absolute tool. Probably realised it was a d1ck move and started backpedalling

@Pfenix23

2 ай бұрын

That’s my vote. I think they’d have to be heavily involved. It’s launched their follower count on social media from this.

As a Tasmanian, apart from finding the flight and travel details pretty sketchy, I find this a but sus: he said it was in the Upper Stowport area/was somewhere on Upper Stowport (/Upper Stowport Road?) at night, that they'd "just left" the uncle's property there on the way to Hobart, and that they walked across the road and "weren't worried about cars because we were like the only people we had seen in like an hour of driving", but an hour of driving from Upper Stowport on the way to Hobart would have you nowhere near Upper Stowport, (and if it was Upper Stowport Road itself, it's only about 10 kilometers long anyway), so that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me at all. Over all the whole thing just seems to have a lot of bits of dodginess on top of more dodginess where parts could almost be explained away but as a whole it feels like it adds up to being really sketchy. Not convinced by a long shot

@JaseBDaley

2 ай бұрын

probably a couple of Tewksbury jokers hoaxin' the local yokels for chuckles and it got out of hand 🤣😂 11.2 million bucks and a csiro investigation later and it'll be determined somebody trained and painted a corgi/greyhound cross to lurk in bushes 🙂

@user-eh2kt9op8q

2 ай бұрын

Why you finding sketchy that they arrived in Darwin first ? I’m from Darwin I don’t find it sketchy. Secondly he’s a young dude knows nothing about Tasmania and he probably got the roads wrong

@timonbotha476

2 ай бұрын

When you are on holiday -especially if you are young and travelling with your parents. You never really know exactly where you are. At least in my personal experience.

@lisagartner4247

2 ай бұрын

but at least you know you took a transit or direct flight and there is no way they could have taken a direct flight from where he claims they did

@orkadian4173

2 ай бұрын

@@timonbotha476 Don't make excuses. If the guy is claiming something this important he should actually have researched where he was and how he got there, surely. He is not a child and would/ should have known if he had a layover/ stopover.. Seriously. What you need to ask is where this con started?

I'd look for frame matches in the 1936 Thylacine videos. Frames pulled from theses videos could easily be embellished by AI.

@RpattoYT

2 ай бұрын

that's a good shout.

@markdearlove8634

2 ай бұрын

What I thought straight away! Well OK, the second time I looked anyway 😀

@replaceablehead

2 ай бұрын

My first thought but it looks like Archesuchus puppet is the answer.

@Weeks25

2 ай бұрын

Very good idea.

@StephEWaterstram

2 ай бұрын

I've seen another video of Him showing the same pictures.

Brilliant video! I's a fascinating bunch of photos though...I'm off to watch the video & see what I make of that!

I'd throw a challenge out there for someone to deliberately make a fake picture of the same type as these and if they succeed tell you how they did it, it might help prove how something like them can be faked so realistically or if it can't be done perhaps add some credibility to them. I REALLY hope they're real, but I have my doubts, it all just seems too perfect.

@ninjaskeleton6140

2 ай бұрын

You don’t need to do that. His story is complete BS.

@Saphire_Throated_Carpenter_Ant

2 ай бұрын

I'm fairly certain I can make these pictures using Stable Diffusion.

I watched the video and I agree with you Cookie, this guy is not at all believable. I worked in graphic arts for 35 years and someone with great Photoshop skills combined with AI can create anything you can imagine. Those people are out there. As Carl Sagan said, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." We don't have anything close to that yet.

I think very soon your channel will completely blow up and you deserve ever viewer. Love your demeanor, stay humble, stay proud!

At LAST.... I have been eagerly awaiting YOUR comments on this report!

The biggest issue I had was with the photo in the thumbnail, and the photographer’s retelling of taking it. There's very strong eyeshine, meaning the light source would need to be right next to the camera. However, the photographer said the torch was being held by his father, who was standing to his side. The shape of the light is also very round, suggesting the light is pointing directly out, from where the camera is. Not an oblong shape, you would expect if the light angle was oblique to the camera. There is also almost no shadow, suggesting a light source more or less in line with the camera

@aaronsandford3568

2 ай бұрын

Flash from camera illumination, and eye shine isn't necessarily bang on.

@NormanF62

2 ай бұрын

Most mammals have a tapetum lucidum so that’s why their eyes reflect light in complete darkness. It would make sense for a nocturnal or a crepuscular animal - the latter being active after dusk and before dawn.

@chrisfromsouthaus2735

2 ай бұрын

@@NormanF62 I'm honestly not sure what point you're trying to make? I'm not suggesting that the Thylacine wouldn't exhibit eyeshine. The point is, to see eyeshine, both the observer, and the light source ,have to be within a narrow cross section of space where the tapetum lucidum is visible to the outside world, through the pupal. Think of the eye as a round cookie jar, with a narrow opening. At the bottom of the cookie jar is a mirror. If I want to see light reflected off of the mirror, and back to myself, neither myself, or the light source can be standing to the side of the cookie jar. Both need to be within line of sight of the mirror, through the opening of the jar. For Eastern Grey Kangaroos, a marsupial that is regularly hunted by using spotlights to search for eyeshine, the light needs to be within a couple degrees of the observer. Thylacines would likely have an even narrower eyeshine crossection, since unlike herbivores, predators have forward facing, front set eyes. This point was only a minor part of my argument anyway. The almost completely obscured shadow demonstrates that the light source, and the camera where almost directly in line with each other. Which goes against his story that his father was holding the torch, off to his side.

@NormanF62

2 ай бұрын

@@chrisfromsouthaus2735 There are plenty of red flags here and an animal lying still for a photographer is a stretch. People have difficulty doing that with domestic animals but with a wild one? And it was supposedly found on the side of the road in pitch black darkness.

@chrisfromsouthaus2735

2 ай бұрын

@@NormanF62 Mate, absolutely 💯

Good video. I watched the original interview. As someone who interviews people who may or may not be familiar with the the topic at hand for a living I can tell you he comes off as genuine for the most part except for when questions come up about the travel. My career field is aviation and aerial transport specifically. You’re absolutely right about not flying CONUS and that’s anywhere CONUS not just Chicago direct to anywhere near Darwin or Tasmania. Now this could be how much this guy values privacy and he doesn’t trust putting all his info out there. A lot of people don’t like their itineraries known so I totally get that. And a lot of people really don’t understand airport names and that. Forrest also made a few mistakes interviewing this guy. He was placed unprepared for a recorded interview which clearly made the guy uncomfortable but it was all about privacy the entire time, asked leading questions to include name dropping airports the guy immediately bit off on, and really didn’t do a whole lot to address his privacy concerns. What he should have done is an offline interview with open ended questions, addressed all the guys concerns about privacy and the steps he would take to ensure it. And then reported the information in his own words to protect the guy. He would have had an easier time getting information and probably would have been better able to spot a hoax or not. Im not a photo guy so I’m going to defer to you on that one. All that being said. It sounds like the guy completely flaked off after the interview and I agree that’s a huge red flag. If you’re genuine you follow up. If you’re lying and you know the jig is up you bail. Also we didn’t know about that pose-able model. I’d be curious to see some detailed comparison to it and see if it’s capable of the positions the pictures show. Especially the laying down one and the ears. Can’t remember if the ears were in the same position throughout all the photos or not. If they are then I’d definitely be skeptical of them. People forget wild animals especially stressed move their ears in all kinds of ways. Curious how all this shakes out. I’m not much of a cryptid believer but this case is a little more interesting than others. Also the thylacine is one of my favorite animals. Would love for them to still be around. Thanks for the video!

The raw data not being sent is sketchy .

@trevordawson2727

2 ай бұрын

He never sent the raw data to Forrest? He said he would after the call. I tried telling Forrest that on a iPhone the person that took the photo can tap the photo and swipe up. It gives you the raw everything plus gps.

@mj.l

2 ай бұрын

@@trevordawson2727 he didn't send it. the guy's story is vague bullshit, he's clearly never been to australia.

I’m a photographer who lives in Australia and goes to Tassie regularly. At least from what I’ve seen, the photos are most likely real because the posterising of the images and the way they artefact is very accurate to an iPhone. It’s pretty hard to recreate that sort of posterising in post because the outcomes will vary from how an iPhone processes the image, to say it’s painted I’d find a stretch unless he’s that good that he can mimic camera processing or if you could identify inconsistencies with the artefacts… like if suddenly you had areas that were seemingly too connected without showing signs of pixelation and for that reason I think it’s more likely they staged a taxidermied one or model of some sort, shone a torch on it and took pictures while shaking the camera (cause if he used the camera flash it wouldn’t have motion blur to that extent either). Like I’m more inclined to think that cause the images seem like real photos but more likely staged cause his story is so suss, from not wanting to show himself to even people privately to limiting contact with others “there” and more importantly, locations and flights not making any sense… cause I can forgive him mixing up airports; especially if he had a layover in Darwin but to say it was a direct flight when almost every Aussie knows they don’t do direct is kinda insane.

Forrest's techie guys ruled out AI and Painting and CGI and all. They concluded that the "thing" is really there. My conclusion was that it's a hoax unless someone can sit down with Zak and his dad. And now, finding out about the fact he didn't send the originals, I'm sure it's a hoax. One thing that no one's talking about. Forrest has both Zak's and Henry's phone number. A little bit of detective work can be done to find out who these guys are in real life and then it would be easy to find any social media footprint they have and this could be incredibly telling. So there's that. I got excited, now I'm bummed.

@WilliamSmith-fz9lw

2 ай бұрын

Well said valid points.

@aaronsandford3568

2 ай бұрын

Think about that, the tech guys working with Forest thought it was real...they deal with this stuff professionally. The tech artist guy this bloke spoke too... said it was real.

@rudellius

2 ай бұрын

I don't think you can still rule out AI and digital editing, with a combination of the two and potentially taking real photos to use as a template I think it's perfectly possible someone skilled enough could make photos like these.

@msafwan2610

2 ай бұрын

It's real because it's an in-camera effect. They use a model or doll of the animal and photograph it in a real location with natural lighting. The picture is real, but the animal is not.

@alecjoncas7764

2 ай бұрын

Nothing you just said leads to this being a “hoax” though…you just said a whole bunch of nothing and threw the word hoax in there

There's hundreds of Tasmanian people tramping around the bush the whole time trying to find a thylacine with their excellent camera and some guy from Chicago flys over and takes the best pictures for a hundred years? Nope.

@mj.l

2 ай бұрын

flies over in a direct flight from the US to tasmania, which does not exist. lol.

The guy who supposedly took the Thylacine pics had some holes in his story. He got the flights to Tasmania wrong if you look at the Forrest Galant interview.

@nahunting

2 ай бұрын

Ya and won’t send the original pics really sketchy

@mrducky6322

2 ай бұрын

@@nahuntingDefo the sketchiest part I can chalk everything else up to him just not remembering right but that…it’d be so easy to send them on

@marleyfrost215

2 ай бұрын

You can ask anyone who has flown through Chicago about our airports, O'Hare and Midway. When the guy said JFK in Chicago, I knew he was full of it. The fact that he refuses to send the metadata cinches it. Very disappointing. An elaborate hoax.

@mj.l

2 ай бұрын

the guy in the interview is an idiot. so fake.

10:21 ik the camera quality is bad but tell me that doesn't look like a painting.

To me they look like taxidermi ones. They could be in a museum or something with the lights off, a light shining at the model, with it zoomed in. It would look like these in my opinion. Look at Cookie in Africa. Go on my lad! Dont get eaten by anything.Haha

@adamcundy8577

2 ай бұрын

I thought the same thing when I seen them

@mrducky6322

2 ай бұрын

Nah I don’t think it’s taxidermy simply because of how good the head looks Thylacine heads pretty much ALWAYS look goofy when you taxidermy them

@mj.l

2 ай бұрын

@@mrducky6322 looks like a greyhound or whippet face. or AI lol

@aaronsandford3568

2 ай бұрын

Taxidermi models look crap.

@msafwan2610

2 ай бұрын

@@aaronsandford3568 the model at 6:26 looks good to me.

The only things that makes me think that its not the model is that in one picture the eyes are clearly closed. But that doesnt mean you cant make a model do that, its just a serious detail to include on a model and they really went all the way to fake it.

@alhigh9856

2 ай бұрын

And the ears changing position

@Weeks25

2 ай бұрын

Yeah I noticed that too. Every last thing damn near had to be poseable. However the mouth opened photos are weird. I still don’t know what to think.

@alhigh9856

2 ай бұрын

@@Weeks25 i agree the side on looks strange, but the front shots are money shots. And even the side body shots are good

@BODEGAtrashofficial

2 ай бұрын

In fairness, that model is VERY detailed and if someone already went through the effort to be that realistic once, it would not shock me if they had modifications ready.

@alhigh9856

2 ай бұрын

@@BODEGAtrashofficial but it clearly doesn't

The thing that seemed to sparked Forrest intrest was the eye shine, but the fact that the stuffed model at 6:30 gives eye shine, i'd put it into the waste of time bin. Why choose still images, when you have access to video recording?

@jameskurk4696

2 ай бұрын

The eyeshine on the model is nowhere near as "correct" looking to me. From the photos of animals I have seen at night they all look closer to the alleged photos. As for the picture over video I can maybe justify this. Just a few weeks ago I saw an egal. No crypted or Lazarus animal, but a rare one in my area that I was excited to see and was not expecting. By the time I had fumbled my camera out of my pocket at got it to pictures it was gone. This was in the day of an animal with no special value other than to me and yet in the moment I was unable to get a picture. I can only imagine how hard it would be in a situation like this.

@zebedeemadness2672

2 ай бұрын

​@@jameskurk4696 All the images are stuffed models, the images at 6:30 was taken without obvious manipulation, the so called sighting looks to have been Photoshopped with the painting effect, going to camera settings and clicking a still, takes the same amount of time as pressing record, the story doesn't tally, evidence is poor, all cloke and dagger, failure to admit original images, I'm all for them being rediscovered, this just isn't it, just another fairytale sighting.

Intriguing - theres also just been some pantha dna found on a dead sheep in Cumbria.

The poses and "smiling" make jump to A.I uncanny valley stuff.

Archesuchus is the same user that posted the dinosaur home invasion twitter thread with the puppets he'd made... And he's self described as "a young lad who aspires to work with scientists to produce paleoartwork and a spike of creepy content and storytelling" Archesuchus made the incredible thylacine posable replica there and likely used it to stage the photos and bamboozle Forrest (and all of us)! for funsies

@Tr1pMind

2 ай бұрын

Archesuchus has old videos on his youtube. he doesn't even look or sound like the kid in the interview. Nor do i believe his name is Henry. So it clearly isn't Archesuchus who did it

Saw forest’s interview with the guy yesterday and thought I bet cookie has a video up soon x

I was watching the premiere and the guy was bare sketch but the photos are some of the best ever taken, also was waiting to here what you was gonna say about it

@RpattoYT

2 ай бұрын

Maybe be a bit more vague. Produced, presented or possibly published.

@G-STAR_.

2 ай бұрын

@@RpattoYT what are you on

Yes 💯! You finally saw Forrest video interview!

It seems like every couple of videos you are on a different continent lol! Glad you covered this topic and I think you make really good points. Just wanted to point out that that it is technically possible to alter metadata, so people should also be cautious of that. Great video!

@WildlifeWithCookie

2 ай бұрын

Haha, I think that shows my upload schedule is bad! - even with the metadata thing, him not sending it is very suspect

They make reflective eyes in taxidermy, itd be a hefty project but I personally think its soft tacidermy or a doll of some sort.

I would 100% stay anonymous myself if I took those pictures.

The guy seems a lot like my son. On the spectrum and socially awkward he also times and places mixed. I also saw the photo with no nose and have a photo the same of my dog so it does happen in low light.

The originals are the most important thing, we can see if the camera specs match with the images taken. There is a lot to this and honestly the device would be very nice to acquire the images from, that's the best way.

those photos look like a mix of the old B&W footage and layered with original backrounds the filters applied. Mind you TT doesnt sleep like that in the field in the dark

I think you are spot on with the model concept. When i look at the grass in the pictures, the blades would be huge

Since Forest never got an update, I can only assume it's fake. I think he did some photo bashing with Fox photos and archival thylacine photos in Photoshop. The open jaw one looks suspect and unnatural. The night time pixelation could be a Photoshop filter.

Thanks so much awesome video

Why did Forrest interview the guy at all before verifying the original photos? Seems like he wanted click bait.

How could you get this close to a thylacine and take multiple photos? I would think it would run into the bush after the first flash.

@aaronsandford3568

2 ай бұрын

When an animal has been hit by a car then it changes the normal behaviour completely. That's why I think this story lines up, with the photos. I also think that the dad hit it.

@Pfenix23

2 ай бұрын

@@aaronsandford3568you know I had the same thought about them being the vehicle that struck it. No one would admit hitting it. It could be why parts of the story don’t add up. So it can’t be pinned to them.

@NormanF62

2 ай бұрын

Someone needs to go to the scene and collect DNA evidence. If it was real, we could collect hair samples, saliva and blood to establish the identity of the animal. We have actual thylacine DNA to compare it with.

@NormanF62

2 ай бұрын

I once hit a deer in a collision at night and when I returned during the day to the scene, it was gone. Animals are tougher than you would think.

These photos are absolutely AI generated. From stripes appearing and disappearing between pics, the head being much more dog-shaped than it should, and the weird positions of the 'thylacine' and shadows, and the jaws being unnaturally far open, it's just not real The grain is also a crystalise photoshop effect (pointed out by TheGamingBeaver), the so-called "last photo" has the lowest number in the file name, and Beaver also proved that copying an image does not change the date of creation, meaning all the photos were created after the guy sent Forrest the email.

@RogueT-Rex8468

2 ай бұрын

Not AI actually. Too specific to be AI. That’s definitely a real shot. But the animal is definitely not real. That’s a doll. That side shot with the mouth open is evident of that. Looks like an animatronic on standby

It's so easy to prove if he went to Tasmania or not. Provide some receipts from shopping or restaurants, provide a hotel or flight confirmation email. Show other photos from the vacation.

I'm pretty confident they're fake even without the bad story. They just don't look right. In particular, the "Thylacine" doesn't appear to be moving in any of the pictures. Most likely answer by a long margin, in my opinion, is posable model fake.

im glad you put your 2 cents in Cookie

On my bucket list to visit Kruger! And the front facing photo to me is seriously compelling, I really hope it’s real but the guy is sus

As a bloke who was with Scouts Australia and a former junior cricket coach. This kid, is typical of a conversation, with an uninterested teenager. The pounding this kid is copping on line, if I was the old man, I wouldn't engage.

The "anonymous" kid said that he and his dad took a direct flight from Chicago to Hobart. Those don't exist. But the pics are very cool. Edit: I commented before you talked about the flight.

@courtdane2712

2 ай бұрын

Just pulled my comment because I said the exact same thing. There are no direct flights to Hobart from anywhere in North America. Was there in 2006. It is the roadkill capital of the world. You could mark off a checklist of every native marsupial by pulling over and stopping your car.

@ryanedson1181

2 ай бұрын

You can get direct flights from Orlando to Hobart... it's not Chicago though

@courtdane2712

2 ай бұрын

ryanedson1181 that is funny

About the no nose, this can be tricky. I've seen similar things in the past. This can be created by auto correction for lights combined with image compression, causing colors to be spreaded on nearby parts to save space. If we really want to believe, it is possible to see the glimpse of the outline of the nose. This is a bit more visible when the image is turned into grey scale. You can experiment with this effect by taking the saturation of a compressed dark image and boosting it to the top in photoshop. Some funky rectangular shapes of different colors will appear and bleed on parts who should not be of that color.

@c4c4cr0773

2 ай бұрын

About the second picture with a motion, what I would be curious is to look at the tech used. In the story, it is reported that a flashlight and a iPhone were used. However, we see a series of glowing orbs on the eye. This is created with alternative current going back and forth in the light source. I think that flashlights don't have alternative current, so this should be a long line instead of a series of dots. I don't know for iPhone. Still, there is something to inquire with this.

Sorry Cookie the guy in the video said his flight was Minneapolis to Chicago and then he apparently flew direct from JFK, which is in New York. Hence my arguement why would a flight path go East 1,188 kms to JFK International Airport and then non-stop direct West 16,053 kms to Darwin International Airport with no layover in Los Angeles International or Honolulu.

@DeanSchumacher

2 ай бұрын

Yea his flight paths are definitely off he also said it was past 1130 when he was leaving to go the airport sry but the last flight leaves from that airport at 9pm to Australia no direction flights to USA I bet he won't talk to Forrest again watch

@zaiaisho6409

2 ай бұрын

I agree

not gonna lie, my first thought was AI. the side headshot looks sketchy

@mj.l

2 ай бұрын

it looks hilariously bad

Awesome as ever 😬👍

This is exciting but as a skeptic, I checked out some of the story of the " kid". There is NO direct flight from the US to Hobart ( Darwin??) as stated by the guy. However, I do hope that the Thylacine is still with us.

@maddyg3208

2 ай бұрын

Yes, if he'd been to Tas for even a few days, he wouldn't confuse Hobart and Darwin. It's like saying he was driving to the airport in New Orleans at the end of a visit to Hawaii

The photo at :51 seconds reminds me of the last known thylacine that was filmed in a zoo from the 1930's. The photo in this video should be compare to the old film footage to make sure it wasn't from the old footage. Also, it's very odd that the photo at 51 seconds has nothing in the background, just pitch black. This looks fake. It's too bad that the location of this, supposed thylacine encounter, wasn't searched for something left behind. Like footprints, scat, hair samples for DNA...something. No 2 zebras have the same stripe pattern, not sure about thylacine but that could be something to investigate. Bottom line, I do not believe the guy who covered his face. That entire interview looked very sketchy.

I was initially so excited watching Forrest video and reaction a few days ago but the more I look the more I’m unfortunately convinced these photos were painted 😮‍💨

One of them looks like a cave painting, Adobe photoshop Ai is super crazy, it can create these pics from those paintings.

Hey Cookie. I agree, with what you said. This is indeed a very good fake, especially as it doesn’t relate to any source material. Some of the photos appear pretty conclusive, but the big red flag 🚩 is when you contacted Forrest who revealed that the guy did not send the originals. If we knew more about the guys movements and exactly where the pictures were taken this may help. If more information was obtained to verify the authenticity of what this guy is saying, some camera traps placed in the area of the sighting would maybe be the next step. Like many people “I want to belief” it’s out there, but there is a cryptic and dubious quality about this sighting, which makes me doubtful. Enjoy your African Safari and looking forward to more updates.

The ones with it's mouth open look like the jaws are not hinged right, the mouth is open so wide it looks like the jaw bones wouldn't join together between the scull and the bottom jaw - otherwise quite convincing

Im so sad I was sooooo excited when it was initially posted. thank you for clarifying.

yoo my favorite youtuber thegamingbeaver included u in ur video :)

Hi Cookie. I watched the interview, long flights and connecting flight could excuse confusion, particulars of his story as recounted were repeated without fault. The kid is weird, but the photos are very compelling, and not a model. I chose to accept, wish the father would verify. Thanks for your opinion and scrutiny, is very interesting.

Lol just looked at the 1930 zoo recording and compared the video to the photos clearly the photos are taken from that recording just look for yourself

Fantastic analysis that puts a real perspective on the most rattling reveal yet.

you just cracked it mate, i was thinking how this could have been fake and a posable figure is insane

The story sketchy af then some of the pictures are strange it looks to me the photo quality has been down graded to make it more realistic.

I've been waiting for your opinion on this cookie

i want it to be real so bad! but i do understand the red flags... we can still hope

For me the shadows behind the animal looks to close like it’s against a wall or like a picture

Dude the picture of the thylacine with its mouth open makes sense to have the grain all going one way it looks like it’s just opening its mouth to show its presence

Also, if the meta data is incorrect or faked, you could possible analysis imagine artifacts like bokeh to assess what the aperture of the lens was and compare that to potentially spoofed data.

For me this looks like art work

@DeanSchumacher

2 ай бұрын

Thts what I think too I think someone painted them I mean really you don't get video evidence if I see something I put video on fast 😊

@razworthers_3601

2 ай бұрын

@@DeanSchumacher same if u have time to constantly take photos your only 1 press of a button to record

@DeanSchumacher

2 ай бұрын

@@razworthers_3601 exactly

I really think there is a link between "Archesuchus" and the dude that Forrest interviewed. Everything about the "model" ( if is not a real animal ) the vibe and the poses of the animal shown in the pictures somewhat remind me of him and his other projects which you can find on twitter. To add insult to injury the guy being interviewed was a walking red flag and im thinking that he did not want to show his face because HE was actually Archesuchus and might wanna remain faceless and anonymous, but regardless this is a far stretch.

Just wanted to say as an artist whose made art dolls and as someone who can photoshop images, it's mostly a real photo in the sense that it's not completely digitally altered, HOWEVER am almost positive it's just a photo of a prop/art doll thylacine, you can tell from the way the body is positioned and the armature I believe was used tends to struggle with more dynamic posing. It's probably just some kid playing a prank, in fact that twitter user you mentioned is known for playing into people who think his photos are real, I was instantly suspicious that the person on the interview was actually him himself. His work in progress photos of his art doll show that the jaw gape is identical to the photos Forrest received, so unfortunately looks like it was him. As much as it's a cool set of fake photos, I feel like it's kinda shitty to escalate it this far.

Still questioning details, but not impossible. Wondered if their car struck it, attempted to help a dog, and were concerned of anyone knowing that they hit it. Speculation, but...

Everybody talks about 'Man's Inhumanity to Man' in this current climate,but i feel so sad about 'Man's Inhumanity to Nature' in every step through our history. I'm so sad that the Thylacine/Tasmanian Tiger was swept along with all the the animals snuffed out of existence by homo sapiens need to dominate this planet,to use excuses like threats to livestock to overkill,the greed for,and the felling of mighty trees,for land that fools claim should not be shared with nature,the bloodlust and perversion to hunt for sport and fashion. I just wish upon wish for truth to these sightings and encounters,in vain hopes that somehow,the Tassie Tiger,Passenger Pigeon,the Quagga, the Dodo etc,might be out there,even if it's sadly unrealistic. It's so like looking for gold at the end of a rainbow,and just finding someones painted a trash bin in the colours.

There is one thing about the photos that looks off. I've looked at all the old known photos of taz tigers and when the mouth is wide open the lower jaw sort of retracts a bit. These pics don't show that. Is shows a rigid jaw that stays somewhat stationary when the mouth is wide open. It doesn't retract like it should.

Damn, just when I thought it was safe to believe.

You're onto it there budgie nuts...

I’m planning on making a video on this. I really think this is AI. If you really look at the photos and analyze them it just looks weird and off. Most people chalk it up to it being taken at night. The anatomy is also kind of off too. Like the side profile of the thylacine in that one image where he’s hyper extending his jaw just looks off, compared to the actual photographs that we have of them doing this. In that photo specifically it looks like he’s unhinging it’s a jaw and if you look at the photos and compare them to actual images of the thylacine these photos that were sent to Forest don’t have any black rings around their eyes. But it is very prominent when looking at actual photographs. Also, if you look at the backgrounds and the foreground of the images there are no distinguishing features all just green mush not sticks, no dirt, no anything. Which once again, could be chalked up to it being dark. Forrest pressed the dude what the shadows were being casted on, but he didn’t really get a concrete answer and in my opinion, he didn’t press him hard enough. These images to me personally just feel off. They feel like those AI generated cam trail photos. AI has come along way. I’m sure I could easily do this. And combined with the fishiness of the dude, story and everything just has me extremely skeptical. Like dude said he didn’t know anything about the thylacine until he showed it to his homie but went to Tasmania, where the tasmanian tiger is plastered everywhere, and simultaneously claims to like animals, but only reptiles and turtles. Anybody with any sort of knowledge of the wildlife space knows what the fuck a Tasmanian tiger is. I have no concrete evidence for this but I think my idea is most plausible explanation if we’re talking Occam‘s razor but idk tho

@EmoSteveIrwin

2 ай бұрын

It might not be completely 100% AI it might be a cross between Art or a model mixed with AI but AI is for sure involved.

I can confidently say with a fair degree of certainty that those images *APPEAR* to *DEPICT* a Thylacine (Tasmanian Tiger) at-least on first viewing. Are they A.I (possible), CG renders (unlikely), photos of a similar animal (maybe), blurry pictures of a replica or a stuffed historical animal (reasonable possibility, maybe even likely). It looks a lot like what it could be but needs verifying.

There's a part of me that thinks that they still haven't talked to the person who actually took the pictures. That's why the interview was off, and they still don't have the originals. The pictures look incredible though, and would be hard to fake...

times are interesting

@sugarplumgurly

2 ай бұрын

definitely 💯

You're in beautiful Africa and you had to watch that long video of the interview. Feel sorry for you! Definitely linked to the model by the Chicago artist for sure.

Also, I'll point out that beyond the disarticulated jaw, complete lack of any motion blur specific to the limbs and the MULTIPLE ANGLES a supposedly wild, elusive animal was SO KIND to take its time an provide this guy instead of vanishing into the brush like any NORMAL animal would - in EVERY SHOT the back has the same slight arch to it. EXACTLY like the life-sized model going around recently. The video we DO have of a living thylacine in the 1930s shows that they straightened their spine when standing more upright and curved it when in a more slouching posture. At any rate, if a deer, big cat or bear saw you in the wild it wouldn't stop to give you multiple angles, yawn casually, turn in other directions and walk casual-AF away - it'd go "AHHHH! HUMAN!" and run away.

That image of the thylacine laying down in the grass looks like the Exact pose of a mummified thylacine that comes up on every news article about DNA reconstruction for the animal

Please make a video on every update. This could be revolutionary!!!

If it"s the most masterful fake ever, they would have included a nose. The nose likely naturally goes flush when they jaw like that. Also, Forrest used the term "flightpath". The kid was confused, stuck to remember airports and transfers while figuring out his question. I think he will come forward and we will know thylacine lives.

@sezmology

2 ай бұрын

Let’s hope young Zac grows some confidence and realises this opportunity could be his great start in life, and includes interview $$ and professional notoriety. Sounds like Dads screwed with his psyche

The idea that the vehicle drives by, stops, humans get out with a light, walk over, and this animal doesn’t flee until the photos are taken?? Nah. Fakey fake.

Forrest call him a dork. Dont blame him.

What about putting the model image on a digital wire like in Jurassic Park . That way they could manipulate movement realistically?

Thanks for the update - I agree with you, the "photographer" lacks credibility. I watched the video interview and from the disguise to the issues with the correct airport and direct flight, nothing but red flags. He said he would send the original photo files right after the interview but since he didn't, I'd say case closed. I'd love this to be real, but seems to good to be true and doesn't pass smell test.

@sprig5173

2 ай бұрын

Why cover your face if it's all real? Yeah nah. We might really want it to be true but it's prob not.

After watching the interview I just didnt think the guy would have been able to fake it himself. Maybe he was a patsy. There were just too many red flags to the point it seemed real if that makes sense. The big thing is getting the actual photos with all the meta data intact