38:05 My neutral tldr: powercreep exists, but not by a single unit, more specifically the super break team. I personally define powercreep as: If X does the same thing as Y but better/easier, then X powercrept Y. Doesn’t matter if X can still clear content; I will not, in good faith, recommend new players to pull for old team comps instead of superbreak. This is considering endgame content (MOC/AS/PF) only, no waifu factors. When an old team can’t clear content in HSR, then it’s not about powercreep anymore, it’s going to the territory of actual p2w (and I hope it never gets there). A new player starting out in 2.3 RIGHT NOW have an infinitely easier time clearing endgame with ruanmei/firefly/superbreak compared to 1.x units/team comps. Free weakness implant, free HMC, free gallagher (which I believe EVERYONE should invest in), easy to obtain relics, no sig LC demand, all while dealing NUCLEAR damage with exception to toughness lock, and even THAT isn’t game breaking (superbreak can still beat Sam albeit more uncomfortable. Trotter OP though) Whether mihoyo nerf super break next time by making a new meta (toughness lock), we don’t know, but as of right now super break is OBJECTIVELY a comp that powercrept any other previous comps, investment for investment (be it relics or units/eidolons). Leave your thoughts below

@GamesGoBrrr

23 күн бұрын

dont worry, blade will never be powercrept

@XiasGaming

23 күн бұрын

And for that E0S0 Firefly is better right now than E0S0 Acheron or any other dps, more easy to build and just need the best gigachat support Ruan God. Will be hard powercreep Firefly E0S0.

@leeteckguan1775

23 күн бұрын

​@@GamesGoBrrr Yeah he's a glass cannon

@leeteckguan1775

23 күн бұрын

Holy yapping by mrpokke

@ch1dd

23 күн бұрын

I don't think we can say that just because that's predicated on Firefly's/Boothill's implant and extra high toughness damage. The new characters get amplified threefold by how synergistic they are with the supports as opposed to the additive increase other dps usually get when buff stacking after the first one. The investment is definitely lower, but power-wise it's pretty much comparable to when using other dps characters in the comp I think, and every unit you replace shapes a very different team. FF had me worried because she ended up slightly overtuned since the community/testers didn't understand how strong she was. The devs still did a good job removing some power from other areas before buffing the last kit, but that was a close call to spawning powercreep in the game. Right now, luckily it doesn't exist since they locked anything that could cause it behind limited eidolons, outside the reach of most of the playerbase.

As a SW E1 with her event LC haver, I approved that she is a totally different unit than her E0S0. Basically from 4 turn Ult to 2 Turn Ult. Combine them with wind set. Boom, Insane. And the thing is, I'm not talking about her kit to implant weakness, but her debuff man, no one beat her. Def shred 45% + 8% from ult and talent. 10% + 3% All type res reduction. And ofc 20% element res reduction from implant. Yes she's is bad on pure fiction due to enemies keep changing, but she's super good on MoC and AS because even though there could be several unit on both of these mode, you only need to focus on 1 or 2 enemy only. And ofc you can pair her with Pela to achieve more than 100% def reduction.

People just use the wrong term for the situation. There is no powercreep in the sense that older units “cannot” clear anymore. They still definitely can. Its just that new units have significantly higher floors compared to old ones. Thats all

@Thedoorway123

23 күн бұрын

Hook anit clearing shit

@deedee3355

23 күн бұрын

Yup powercreep here is making the old character looks weaker not makes them cannot finishes the end game content, people just cant handle the reality of there are and will be characters better than their favorites characters.

@jiunhaoneoh3482

23 күн бұрын

@@Thedoorway123 Multiple people have used Hook to clear MOC 12.

@vickdinvick5485

23 күн бұрын

@@Thedoorway123 hook is garbage since day 1.... lol... but i bet theres ppl out there that can clear everything with her.... but... with tons of premium suports do help to do it

@Thedoorway123

23 күн бұрын

@@jiunhaoneoh3482 e6 I presume

After watching both videos, I definitely like your TLDR of powercreep which is simply making something that is already not hard to do even easier. Personally i think the Hoyo games stimulus package brought it so many new players to gacha games that we forgot the dark days where powercreep was and in some cases of games that come out only to EOS shortly after or ride that fine line because they will release a unit with content that can literally only be cleared by said premium units (like current brave exvius for example).

@pieman2025

23 күн бұрын

a fellow FFBE player, man i dont miss that game lmao.

@andrewhaydock5557

23 күн бұрын

@@pieman2025 Same man i remember the days of hyoh into raegan. Now look at them literally unplayable based on a tier list. Also remember the days of holiday units that where stupidly powerful and never came back until next year and by that time they sucked ass. God this game is a god send between actually bad gatchas.

@Qopa

23 күн бұрын

I mean, have there ever been a version update where the unit isnt game changing and OP in hsr? The amount of new powercreep that we get in each update is so apparent. I cant see why ppl can just pretend like HSR is still the perfect game after all this time when they themselves cant even beat it f2p and without ruan mei.

@pieman2025

23 күн бұрын

@Qopa edit: I will concede acheron and hmc are stupid units. the thing is that you can beat all the content without Ruan mei, if your account is invested well enough you should be able to clear any content in the game, albeit a bit slower. Ruan mei just allows you to slack on your account progression and she is the first limited harmony we got access to.

@Qopa

23 күн бұрын

@@pieman2025 the problem is all content that we're getting are now centered around the devs balancing difficult content for ruan mei users, aka break first to do damage. Even a completely f2p player like ZMM barely beat AS floor 3 relying on xueyi + mhc, and dr.ratio on the 2nd side. Your statement is only true if ppl had e1-e2 meta harmony 5* supports to elevate somebody like arlan to be strong enough to beat everything without relying on recent op dps like acheron, hmc, boothill, and firefly. And thats the sad part about HSR to be honest.

Powercreep does exist, a low investment Acheron or Firefly without Ruanmei will still beat the shit out of Seele. But i respect those who uses Yanqing to clear moc 12 that is fking insane 😂 there is a video on that

@feyandhisstuff9888

23 күн бұрын

yea but at high investment Seels >= Acheron > dogshit > piss > puke > firefly

@Riri-99999

23 күн бұрын

Arlan > Acheron (I'm joking pls don't hurt me)

@kismyers5207

23 күн бұрын

blud wants every single new character to stay the same strength level as day one units💀 Newer products are always fundamentally better relative to older ones.

@tnb4509

23 күн бұрын

@@kismyers5207 I mean that's how it should be tho right? People should pull for new characters because they like them not because they're absurdly op and are the only way to clear endgame content without relic farming forever. Sure, they can be slightly better or have a different niche but FF and Acheron probably outdamage e6 Jing Yuan or Seel.

@darkgrundi9543

23 күн бұрын

@@tnb4509 Mate, the new chars are not absurdly op, HMC is. You can clear the boothill stages with Sushang and the Firefly stages with Hook. The FREE unit is the one powercreeping not the limited ones.

Your account review with Xethrion was actually very insightful and he has a great take about powercreep in HSR. Powercreep in HSR is gonna be more noticeable since it is one of the few ways for people to pull characters since there's no pvp.

Managed to clear AS on a 100% F2P account without using Ruan Mei, Acheron, Firefly, Boothill, E2 Dhil, Silverwolf, Aventurine, and Gallagher. So yea, I can vouch for Iyo’s take.

@moonawilks8240

23 күн бұрын

Congratz, mind telling your teams? :))

@deepprakashamin9129

23 күн бұрын

Good for you. now please look up definition of powercreep on Internet thank you. I swear ppl dont know what powercreep means. Makes their own definition. If you think there is no powercreep then you are just blind

@xCritStar

23 күн бұрын

i mean nice clear you have all the new chars that are good for the current meta i guess?

@inventedbaton958

23 күн бұрын

elaborate

@oyfum2638

23 күн бұрын

@@inventedbaton958 showcase is up on my channel if you’re interested, builds are at the end of the

hey i pull firefly just so i can clear every endgame content more easier, idc if it a skill issue im not trying to show off how good i am by clear moc and as without using ruan mei, acheron and etc. If i can be able to bruteforce with firefly team and acheron team then i don't have to worry about anything in future

Tectone always says that he wants the game to be challenging, but the moment it is inconvenient to him, he's saying its a powercreep and you need every new mechanic in the game to clear it. All i can say is, im a low spender (express pass only for a month now), cleared all endgame 3* no issue at all (tons of people did it too), and you just have massive skill issue on every games you play.

@feyandhisstuff9888

23 күн бұрын

Teccy just a crying baby thats it. He never really wanted challenges

@krazyaim

23 күн бұрын

At the end it's an opinion. Feel free to debate

@kaete_7

23 күн бұрын

You did not even undesrtand what he was saying. He was talking about how hard it is to clear for casual players.

@moober_

23 күн бұрын

@@kaete_7 it depends what you consider as casual because if people arent using their resin or using random ass teams with 3 dps no sustain then they should not be clearing. however anyone with even very low investment should be able to clear atleast uptil moc10 and pf3/4. the last levels should be reserved for people who know how to play the game, if youre that casual you wont mind missing out on the 60 jades or whatever anyways

@kaete_7

23 күн бұрын

@@moober_ You literally have it in the word casual players. Someone who plays the game at their own pace, without dedicating extensive time or effort. And ofc casual players should not expect to clear everything. Still casual players can have different goals like either only goin for characters they like not caring about the end game content or someone who wants to clear it but still wont play everyday and stuff yk

I went from e0 SW to e2 on her rerun. The difference is night and day, I would not use e0, I have seen both sides of it. you can actually ult two targets in 0 cycle with her e1. it is in another universe compared to e0.

Let’s get MrPokke to watch a legend named Zmm. He literally beating all the modes without any pulling (Only E0-E1 4* Units). That could totally answered the question if old characters doesn’t works anymore.(I won’t use the word powercrept in this case)

@zap7737

23 күн бұрын

Nobody is saying old characters don't work. Not a single person. That has nothing to do with power creep.

40 mins of yap. Another classic from MrPokke

lmao that keyboard smash subtitles at the end Was struggling in AS, then just pulled E1 for my E0 RM + updated/ geared her up better = got additional 300 to 400+ more points, helped me clear max stars.

Powercreep doesn’t exists when I’ve set my expectations low nowadays and am fine if I don’t clear the last floors of the end game. 🗿

@jeffrenjr

23 күн бұрын

Most relatable take

@sycamorewest

23 күн бұрын

If you're getting panties in a bunch by missing out on 60 jades (ie. 1/3 of a single pull) and milking a whole series of a content bitching, you might be a cc rather than a "casual lower spender / F2P" Because powercreep as the current allegations stand only impact the last star out of the 36

background music at the start was: Digimon world 3 central park BGM 100% certified banger

Just started the game for 2 week-ish and definitely agreed that Ruan Mei and Firefly basically make me get through early of end game content very fast without good gears, now i need worry about 2nd team to finish all of end game content and i’m still thinking which team should be.. any suggestion?

@clownasuka4490

3 күн бұрын

Acheron team, if u have a team with Acheron nothing will give u trouble rlly

Correct statement: Tectone is no longer f2p plus, he is now a disciple of the gem gods 35:25

@FireflyIsSamusAranSister

23 күн бұрын

He was never a f2p to be honest xd

@Wolfyyy

23 күн бұрын

​@@FireflyIsSamusAranSister Let's not lie ok... You can hate him all you want but at least be honest

@gandi8959

23 күн бұрын

correct statement: teccy is a now a semi whale acc, but stil cant clear second side apocalyptic shadows with the best team possible

@FireflyIsSamusAranSister

23 күн бұрын

@@Wolfyyy haha i've been called many things, tectone fanboy, tectone hater etc lol

Most people saying "old characters still clear" fail to realize that the literal definition of power creep is same result for much less effort which is exactly what is happening with every new character released recently. Saying "its just acheron and firefly" is so funny because they are the only dedicated dps in 2.x and they were miles better than what we had. Its not like we got other characters that were less overpowered. This pattern will not go away in the future.

@foxacin

14 күн бұрын

nah bro, for hoyoshills, they will never realize bcs hoyo games are perfect there is no such thing as powercreep😍

@totallyregulargiorno

12 күн бұрын

@@foxacin Honkai Impact 3rd powercreep would like to say hi

for charcters like seele they could make niche sets that improve damage something that triggers resurrgence without a kill for example. something niche enough it works for only them.

Why no one is talking about the background music at the beginning (after the Wii Theme) ? I need this banger please where's my hero ?

i actually did try that this MOC's floor 12 with Himeko and without Ruan Mei, using Asta instead. full rewards. Ruan Mei is a must pull but is not necessary in every run.

Do people really believe that, ON AVERAGE, Year 2 units aren’t stronger, have more mechanics, have higher damage ceilings/floors, easier to play with lower investment etc than Year 1 or Launch units?

@kennethyoung7457

23 күн бұрын

People are more talking about the content being able to be cleared by older characters when powercreep is simply new characters being better than old characters. I don't think people can seriously believe that the content didn't get harder though after Acheron released though it was a massive jump in health we never even had a 2 million hp boss until Acheron released now every boss has a million plus hp.

@Tiasung

23 күн бұрын

@@kennethyoung7457 Well with the arguments many use you do have to wonder what they actually believe or not. I think a lot of them really do believe that. They dont understand that their accounts are massively more invested, having a larger roster of build characters and their stats being off the charts now. That makes it feel like their Seele is still doing similar despite now having a much stronger team and having way more stats.

@zap7737

23 күн бұрын

Yes, Iyo believes that lmao

@dante19890

22 күн бұрын

100 percent correct Endgame content gets progressivly harder, new characters are stronger than old ones. Old ones needs more vertical investment to keep up. Thats literally what powercreep is.

@destock1637

20 күн бұрын

Idk what people have in his mind power creep its as easy to see by yourself loking at jingyuan vs adventurine: 10% critical rate(JY) vs 48% (adventu) just by doing nothing. 😂

I am going to wait until next region launch. whatever place that black swan suggested.

So... Ruan Mei Star Rail. Got it

@eckology016

23 күн бұрын

Yes, the most important character in the game is pretty important. Every game has one.

@clownasuka4490

3 күн бұрын

Ur not clearing moc12 without her unless u have incredibly high investment on everyone

Ya'll just need to ignore Tectone. The guy absolutely sucks at every game. He has no idea what he's doing and what he's talking about.

@Thedoorway123

23 күн бұрын

Archeron vrs yanqing

@rez_2529

23 күн бұрын

Oh yeah ? Then clear moc with Yanqing then lol

@kaanpai4319

23 күн бұрын

@rez_2529 No. I don't have Yanqing. And even if I had him, I wouldn't build him. Yanqing always sucked because his kit is flawed. He was never good and never will be. A unit that was never usable is no argument for power creep.

@Zer0Hour17

23 күн бұрын

@@rez_2529a bad unit existing has nothing to do with power creep. Day 1 Yanqing was dog shit.

@ameerr0812

23 күн бұрын

Hah dicktone

i think they just gotta make a 4star ruan mei that isnt as good as her but does essentially what she does and make her free to get initially cause it's just the lack of multiple chars that do similar things imo and as in lack of characters that do similar things i mean like bronya and sparkle. They are both 5 stars but they essentially do the same thing but then again that may decrease comp diversity.

Im new and I planned to be completely f2p but because of Ruan Mei, I was kinda pushed to get the express pass to guarantee to get her.

But the bothill and fireflye implant is just a prerequisite for them to work, they don't reduce anything with their implant like the wolf or when the enemy already has its weakness

@dante19890

22 күн бұрын

true. They would fall apart without an implant cuz if they didnt have that and were off element just for a weak mob they wouldnt be able to kill it. I dont think weakness implant is gonna be relevant for any dmg dealer that isnt a break unit

The real question is do people want to spend time building a character more than necessary to clear content or just simply pull for a stronger unit with less investment. It makes sense why people want new units rather than building one ones.

@hachi_wasabi

23 күн бұрын

If a characters that can be able to bruteforce like acheron and firefly invest everything for then and you have a easier time for future moc

@stego-

23 күн бұрын

@@hachi_wasabiissue is, you may not have enough pulls to even vertically invest as a f2p. meaning you will have to wait for the rerun. and by the time it happens a new character will be even better

@RygarFang1599

23 күн бұрын

It depends on what the person is pulling for. I can see what your saying, but your forgetting you'll still need time to invest on the new character. Also, time to learn the new kit. In addition, there is a reset period to get use to the new comp. As low spender or f2p, would you not hit a wall call resource limitation, if there chasing the new thing all the time?

@RygarFang1599

23 күн бұрын

@@stego- there's an issue with the your first part of your argument, if you not horizontally investing, shouldn't you have pulls to vertically invest? Meaning you have two teams up and running, clearing content, there shouldn't be a need to chase new units, unless they help the current team you have or fill in holes. ZMM's free to play account is a good example, it has no horizontal investment, just vertical investment, look at how much his save. Is waiting for a rerun that bad? Also, you don't know if the new character is better, than the old one, until the community get to try them out.

@ch1dd

23 күн бұрын

This is the mentality trap the majority of players falls into. The banner characters have an easier time because the content is tailored around them so the people who already wanted the characters get to use them right after pulling. If someone pulls because it's easier instead of building something that will be permanently easier, they'll have to do that every banner and end up with 10 characters who can't clear the content instead of 3 who can. Then they complain about not having resources or the game being too hard, when it's entirely their fault.

10:16 very true RM made the meta since 1.6

i feel like power creep isn't only new unit comes out and now older units are now useless. there's obviously a big enough difference between boothill acheron and firefly especially if you have ruan mei compared to other characters . and some of those teams are just way better and more future proof than your seele. it's that simple

I really liked the point of how minimum effort cannot give max rewards. I grinded a lot on th game (except the new DU) and for that, I got a perfect firefly team, an acheron team Im working on but is good, and I can say proudly I arnd it since I really sat down and did the thinking and grinding. HSR is dependant on investment, and not only that of money, but also time and brains.

almost at 100k, insane

Wait, you get buffs in Apoclyptic Shadow? How?

Anyone wondering the BG music is from the GOATED game Digimon World 2003

Should link the video with full 4 star clear too.

I actually watched a video by zmm where he cleared on an account without pulling. So he only used free characters that were available in game from events. It was really close but it was so cool I recommend watching it. Also sidenote, imo I think even if powercreep does exist, it isn't ever going to be a problem since players can just get the newer characters. I mean there are a lot of f2p players that can clear end game, myself included.

@santiagoserial3670

23 күн бұрын

If im not mistaken He cleared stage 3

Powercreep only exists in what form of what MoC-Buff they bring, personally i see a few ways to build partys now be it Hypercarry, Follow up, DoT or Break, one of them will be Meta and the others will be slightly off depending on what the MoC buff it is. Its more about being able to utilize the MoC buff then to have the the biggest units. Thats why 4* teams are still able to clear cause most of those players understand how the buff works and build teams around it. Ofc the MoC buff will also always benefit the latest char that came out to make em look super strong and powerfull. As of now Xueyi Galagher and HMC are ripping through MoC, noone needs a Firefly though she makes it easy for people who arent as skilled in building chars and teams. I see all the 5* as pay for convenience units rather then must have. Ruan Mei maybe aside since she can really be used on whatever team u throw her especially with her LC.

Ruan Mei is the best unit by far in the game, getting her E1 made my Jing Yuan look good, that's a chad achievement

I myself will hold the judgment on how good firefly compared to other unit when the Turbulence or the other modes buffs doesn't favor her or break teams

@kennethyoung7457

23 күн бұрын

Shes is at least on par with Acheron and for the average invested player she is better than Acheron. Play Memory of Xianzhou stage 6 with Firefly and see how easily she 0 cycles it while being off element.

@feyandhisstuff9888

23 күн бұрын

@@kennethyoung7457 xianzhou stage 6 is nothing compare to moc12 tho. There is no BOSS with high toughness bar so ff is free to deal any damage. Will look at her in new moc released with Yunli

10:10 - 10:48 Never felt the need to pull Ruan Mei personally, it is not rough out there lol

23:03 RM is must pull of course. SW for old players is not worth it for me But for new players with few characters could help have SW but after can be easy replace. I got SW in 1.1 , and before Acheron i was not using her. Btw Firefly and Acheron Firefly E0S0 is more easy to build than Acheron E0S0.

He's OUR streamer. Get him to 100k

13:57 i clear Moc 12 using himeko too, but is more safe with Gallagher and not Boothill.

Queen Mei supremacy. :D

@dante19890

22 күн бұрын

No more bad takes plz

This is definitely a powercreep from a meta perspective and Hoyo is capitalizing on it. Starting from patch 2.1 to 2.3 all banners are the pillars of def break.

@CTY547

23 күн бұрын

What does "def break" even mean? If you're referring to break-focused characters, then that's just not true since the only ones are HMC, Gallagher, Boothill, and Firefly. If by "def break" you mean defense shredding, then that's also wrong since the only Penacony characters that do that are Black Swan and Misha, who both came out in 2.0

@HazardTone

23 күн бұрын

@@CTY547 the def break effect meta

@JJennerUK

23 күн бұрын

Break meta is literally the exact same thing as Hyperbloom in Genshin. It basically allows lower skill players to win (Not a bad thing), or those with lower investment to keep up. It's a new archetype of course we are going to get a few characters in a row focused on it. E.g. Single target DPS, AoE DPS and supports for them

@fuumaruu7486

23 күн бұрын

​@@JJennerUK Unlike Hyperbloom, Break Team gets easily cock blocked by enemies that locks their toughness bar.

@BigAl2-u7e

23 күн бұрын

If by "all banners" from 2.1 to 2.3, you mean only 2 of the 6 new banners actually being break characters. Then sure, I guess.

Waiting for the next Gacha Cast so we can get a nice conversation about this going :)

Correction: Both boothill and Firefly are considered specialist since they are not hypercarries and can be allowed to be played both at the same time in break archetypes (DoT is like this as well), they are more of a support rather than a DPS since they're a niche amount of break characters that works well together if you put them both, just make sure HMC and RM is on the team when you put both good break characters at the same time in a roster

@vertarix

23 күн бұрын

ah yes my support which does 90% of the team's damage yes. not really hypercarries since it's not like their teammates are amplifying their damage or anything. firefly and boothill helping the team out doing a little break no biggie. gotta remove that toughness bar somehow.

@dante19890

22 күн бұрын

you basically still play Boothhill and Firefly like a hypercarry team. 2 supports buffin a dmg dealer. Its just the mechanics thats different

Star rail has a slow but ever present powercreep. Numbers go up slightly in endgame all the time and new characters are progressivly getting stronger than the older ones.

I think the greatest lie, that comes right from genshin is how "weapon banner is bad, don't pull". But in HSR, there are so many good t4 LC, it can affect a lot the account. Like, not having Luka's LC, dance dance dance or memories of the past. Even if you wait to take into account Simulated Universe free LC, you cannot forget it takes 4 weeks to get a copy, and another 4 for s5.

@NoName-kg4ve

23 күн бұрын

This! , man I still don't have the Luka Lc and these people make videos saying you need this and that like everyone has that .

@andrewhaydock5557

23 күн бұрын

I so agree. Light cones are such a big part of this game. You really got to look at what light cones are on the banner because they make a huge difference. Acheron is so much worse without a unit with pearls of sweat. Even sometimes it's better to skip a unit and wait to get both unit and light cone. Since it's both base stats and ability made for said unit.

I did study one hour before exam and graduate my computer degree😂 Sad thing is ,i dont remember anything after that exam😂

wdym, I did 3 stars cleared Apocalyptic Shadow 4 without RM , using my 3rd F2P account (made during Acheron release), all limited banners are E0S1 or lower. Power creep does exist, but even with those you can still pretty much clear most if not ALL content with 4 stars and standard banner units. The game is easy, IT AINT THAT DEEP. Don't think too hard and just enjoy the game...

the game is mostly pve, and everyone can do the most difficult contents completely F2P with proper planning and time. There is powercreep, but a game without powercreep and nobody is going to feel excited for the new characters. I would say HSR is in a pretty healthy state now, where everyone can clear all contents, but having meta characters helps a lot.

@dante19890

22 күн бұрын

we are mainly talking about endgame here that is constantly evolving and getting harder. Storystuff is supereasy

Admittedly i brute force a lot of things esp in moc as long as the enemies don’t have super high imaginary res i can get away with my ratio hyper carry (he is e0s1 but i do have e2s1 aventurine which let me to run double harmony with him) in 1 or 2 cycles clear

The power creep of this game: Gallagher > Loucha, Built in element application > SW. My salty self would say Firefly > Dr. Numby, but super break power crept every comp in the game, which is the most worrying part for me. Star rail could definitely indirectly nerf super break, but given breaking shields is a core mech in the game, I do not know how likely that is. Something tells me every major patch (2.0, 3.0, etc) is going to introduce a new meta but its just a feeling, its only happened once.

The real argument is on how to define power creep. We must agree on the definition first before doing all of this. If not then it is just milking content. No real discussion.

what i'm impress on 7:46 is, tingyun have a green HP

I think powercreep is real, recent DPS units have been better than old DPS units, same thing with sustains. That is undeniable. But I think people are "overblowing" the powercreep a little. You see, MOC has increased in difficulty to the point "brute force" isn't really an option for players anymore (unless you're a whale with Eidolons and Sig Cones). If your team can't properly use the current rotation buffs, then good luck lol. You can't just slap a hypercarry team into any side of any MOC without even reading the buffs like back in 1.x and expect to clear. Current rotation of MOC and AS favours break, so of COURSE break teams are going to get inflated into high heavens above all other teams. You see the huge numbers that Firefly is doing in MOC 12 and think its all her, when half of is the current rotation buffing break damage. You guys seems to be forgetting that. **TLDR:** if you're using a hypercarry team in a MOC rotation that is clearly NOT made for hypercarry then of COURSE you won't clear it! Its not because of powercreep, its because you need another team!

@dante19890

22 күн бұрын

exactly. He isnt called bad takes Iyo for nothing

My first time clearing it 3* was with the same teams i 0 cycle last moc 12 with, jingliu hypercarry and acheron team. No break team and didn't even read the boss buffs and still did it first try. Yes jingliu team struggled a bit but you can still brute force game modes as of now. No im not f2p but not a giga whale either.

Umm... Is anyone still use Natasha?

I still disagree that there is no power creep looking at Acheron firefly and arguably adventurine the power creep is there however the power creep is minor and not a current issue and unless something changes likely never will be There are 3 ways to play this game spend money to get who you want and get easy 3 star clears Pull for meta but that means you have to skip character that you like Or pull who you like and accept you will have to fight for 3 star clears like your on hard mode Lastly friendly reminder if you can only Get a 2 star clear on the last stage you are missing half a pull at most so just play in whatever way is the most fun for you

As a low spender, I don't think it's too hard to have that many teams. I have dot, fua, and break rn. They all perform pretty well and just use whatever I feel like playing. Just up to you, how much u wanna grind relics

Conclusion: YES ITS REAL

it didn't enter powercreep yet because it entered it 8 months ago with dan hang, then acheron and now firefly

Really weird for people to put huge emphasis on tierlists while denying powercreep. Obviously newer units have easier access to higher numbers. Almost like, the only 5star worth rolling in 1.x is Ruan Mei. But I can understand them releasing 2 units per patch, they are are filling up the niches. Heck, Argenti/Misha hasn't got his premium support yet.

I’m a waifu hunter. But that’s fucking funny, because in hsr I only enjoy Jingliu, Kafka, Firefly and Acheron. Maybe a couple of 4 stars. I don’t care how good they are if she cute

“E2 dill e2 Acheron e2 firefly”… Me here with all 3 of those…

Is there powercreep? Yes. But does it reach "unplayable" or "no new characters = can't clear the highest content," as Bald Man said? NO, NOT AT ALL. And I'm going to throw out the "hot take": That won't happen in HSR. Bro, they nerfed and even REMOVED a boss from ROGUELIKE GAME MODE because 'it's still too hard.' I just want to say that you shouldn't listen too much to people who use BASIC ATTACK TWICE IN A ROW while Firefly Ultimate is active.

How else will people keeping pulling if the difficulty stays the same? Even Genshin is slowly introducing power creep to win back players.

@kennethyoung7457

23 күн бұрын

Powercreep doesn't win back players if players are leaving genshin its not because of endgame content as 99% of the playerbase is casual and doesn't care about the current endgame or imaginarium theater.

@dante19890

22 күн бұрын

it will inevitably happen in a gacha game. The only person who dont see it is bad takes IYO

Hi3. THAT is powercreep!

How did we get like 6 videos off of Tectone not knowing how to manage his skill points enough to not do multiple non-ult basics with Firefly? Insane. Literally none of this happens if he just got 3 stars on AS, lmao.

Yeah there’s no way you can tell me that the Seele hypercarry team has the same output as superbreak, it’s just so much damage

37:04 clear any content just with 4 stars is just for flex. We always wanna to use our 5 stars characters.

If you're paranoid of powercreep then I think the most future proof thing you can do currently is to invest in universally good signatures Even if they are powercrept in the future they will still be way ahead of most 4-star lightcones. Got ruan mei's lightcone just recently and the sp gain is insane on top of the energy and dmg buffs and it will most likely never be replaced by a future 4-star lightcone. But that's only when considering clear-speed/meta, you will lose out on some cool characters in the long run if you're f2p like me.

@MefoWho

23 күн бұрын

thats 1 lmao. I used to think IL lightcone is universal enough. Look at me now, regretting that i couldve spent that pity on acheron's lc

@eckology016

23 күн бұрын

Or just don't pull for multiple characters in the same patch, and instead pick your favorite each time and get that character. The more you spread out when you need to pull to keep up with the game's evolution, the easier it is to stay F2P. That's my approach in WuWa where I'm not looking to spend. Finally pulled for a char with Jinshi and now gonna hold off for a while since she'll be able to tackle all the hardest content.

I skipped Acheron become​ i don't​ like stricted playstyle​ DPS And I also skipping Firefly too because​ Break team can be strong but easily countered by blocking mobs toughness and there is a boss in echo of war that immune to superbreak DMG only one boss in HSR doing this

@ch1dd

23 күн бұрын

Aurumaton elite, Gepard, Bronya, Soda Monkey elite, Sam, all have toughness block and probably some more that I'm forgeting.

bro is talking about time investment for the game like you can in any way influence what you do with the time while your daily activities are not only locked by time, resources but also rng lol

I’ve seen four stars clear all the content albeit the person who did was really strategic and had well built characters but if you play long enough you can guarentee a five star especially with how generous the game is

Man do people love to make excuses when the genuinely suck at the game.

3 words "Tectone Skill Issue"

Powercrept is Yukong

Ah yes there is and it started becoming more of a thing after Acheron but for a turn based game this is a completely expected outcome we all knew it denying it that there is none is weird.

Been playing day 1 as f2p lost 50/50 5 times, seele, our general, silver wolf, fu xuan, and now firefly. You win some u lose some, if u are wondering who the 50/50 loses are 4 bailu and 1 yangsh*t. Such is f2p

@dante19890

22 күн бұрын

yeah you are not 3 staring the endgame content XD

_WHUTTHEHELLL 😱_

bruh ofc the mocs are different....the buffs change. So if you use a dot team on an moc that is actively working against dot...ofc youre gonna do worse....i swear this community.

@dante19890

22 күн бұрын

But if you have a large roster of characters you increase the odds of sniping the turbulance with one of your units

7:09 there is bad take, i'm F2P+ and my luck in lightcone suck, i lost 2 75/25, and just won 1, i play since 1.0. I just have E0S1 Acheron Jingliu and Ruan Mei E1. There is F2P players with more lightcones than me just for luck, but that is not normal.

@NoName-kg4ve

23 күн бұрын

And at some point in the video he was saying you don't need signature Lcs and edilons to clear the endgame like the amount of switch ups he does and people still ate his shit up .

@XiasGaming

23 күн бұрын

@@NoName-kg4ve bro he recomend get lightcone cuz there it "easy" to get.

@NoName-kg4ve

23 күн бұрын

@@XiasGaming how are they easy to get ? I would rather pull for a new character than a lc , I pulled for acheron lc not lost 75/25 I wasted my 70 pulls on that with that pulls i could have gotten topaz . They say you need to invest in certain characters but many people get bored of characters real fast what about that ? You still want them to play characters they get bored off like i got bored with acheron so much that I don't even want to use her in any content at all . They don't want to talk about these topics at all . I want the game rather take the genshin route and make every character useful in the end game and not some meta characters that you don't even like .

@XiasGaming

23 күн бұрын

@@NoName-kg4ve i put " " for the sarcasm. And you get lucky in the lightcone other people spent 140 tickets in lightcone, My Acheron lightcone was garanted after lost Lightcone in Black Swan banner. And if you bored playing the character is that your problem. I don't get Topaz cuz i don't like play just with the Numby.

@dante19890

22 күн бұрын

you need a lot of luck as ftp. You acheron team will get crippled if you dont get Pearls LC or Trend of the universal market LC for your supports

Brute force does not exist.... Acheron E6S5 - Hold my beer.

As someone who started like 3 weeks ago, I just beat the last story and got caught up. Without Firefly, there is no way I'd have been able to beat up to now as easily as I have. I was able to beat the first snow area pretty easy with whoever, then the 2nd area was a ton harder until I pulled firefly and then I was clearing again. Even with her Pecony was still tough.

@hoshisoul8529

23 күн бұрын

But isn't it normal for a new player to not be able to beat the hard content, especially endgame? As a day 1 player, I was able to clear MOC only after 3 or 4 months of actively playing (not all stars even, just finishing the last stage). In GI, it took me around 5 months, and even longer for my f2p friends.

Ppl just feel “power creep” because DoT teams are underwhelming this patch

@wat6440

23 күн бұрын

As a firm devotee of IX, lowkey kinda true LMAO

@_LQT

23 күн бұрын

Tbf dots team don’t have dedicated harmony unit yet like break and fua

@kdog3k

21 күн бұрын

My E1S1 Kafka and E1 BS are fine, thank you. It's the other side that's struggling

@areyoutrippin9730

18 күн бұрын

​@@kdog3k I don't remember anybody speaking about you personally

The only power creeping issue in HSR is that its better than Genshit now

Hsr only needs to patch older dps characters damage ceiling or remove their niche because their kit was built for the early version of the game. Now that bosses have 1m hp most of the early characters fall off in clearing compared to newer. As f2p, now that hsr is increasing difficulty I'm considering getting idolons of my favs instead of newer characters. This way older characters will sell on reruns

my dudes, a content creator has literally beaten the new mode and got 34* in MOC without freaking summoning. Yes there is powercreep, we get it. But there is plenty of power on the player's side as well. The only problem is that people want easy button and just auto MOC. I can do that with my e2s1 Firefly and Acheron. But if you just play the game and actually think, it's actually proven that you can clear all of end game as f2p.

@dante19890

22 күн бұрын

and he is one in a million who can do it. You shouldnt make arguments based on the 0.00001 top percent The vast 99.9 percent of ftp players cant do what he did It proofs nothing

A good Ito take? Is the world ending?

@NoName-kg4ve

23 күн бұрын

Na he never had any good takes

@Tiasung

23 күн бұрын

He had a lot of good takes. Ironically I consider this a bad take.

@dante19890

22 күн бұрын

he is objectivly wrong, how can that be a good take. He is either straight up lying or being ignorant

@Zer0Hour17

22 күн бұрын

@@dante19890 He is in no way wrong. Full 4 star teams are still clearing all of the content with max rewards.

@dante19890

22 күн бұрын

@@Zer0Hour17 that doesn't disprove powercreep at all. That just means one dude in a million managed to clear with a 4 star team. 99.9 of people can't. You can't really make convincing general arguments for a super small minority of players.

remember when RM came out and she was being compared to Bronya? lol

Zmm cleared apocalyptic full star no RM, just all f2p characters

I tell people this all the time but I get ignored lol. This game isn’t that hard to where you NEED the newest unit to clear xyz content. My E6 s5 Kafka clears all content with just my E3 S5 black swan no problem 😭.

I've watched several videos of people who only use 4* characters to clear end game content with all rewards. Sure new units will always be stronger it has to sell but being F2P is not an excuse to not be able to clear content , even at low investment.

I think I would more of call it power gap than creep

Also the way AS works is that you get a Action Value score right, if you have shitty supports that has minimum spd of 134 and do not use DDD/wind set/messenger set etc, you're just losing a lot of scores, reason why FF so good in AS is becuz she moves at 240spd which in this case saves a lot of action value. Also baldy have shitty investment on his supports so yeah he's the last person to talk about powercreeping when he doesn't even know like the basics of the game's mechanic

@arslanabner572

23 күн бұрын

Also why DotCheron does well even when she have atk boots

I think he's missing the point. What iyo said here was it's doable with seele. It might be rough, but still doable.

@dante19890

22 күн бұрын

you mean he is missing the point what powercreep is

Chad Iyo