Is the Tenere 700 REALLY better than the NEW KLR650? Comparison
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Is the Tenere 700 REALLY better than the NEW KLR650? Comparison
KLR650 vs Tenere 700
With the updates to Kawasaki's venerable KLR650, is it a viable alternative to the more modern Yamaha Tenere 700? What are the ups and downs of each? What are the advantages the KLR has over the T7 and vice versa? We take a deep dive into the differences that will matter to adventure riders.
#klr650 #tenere700 #advrider
00:00 Intro
01:40 KLR Advantages
03:27 T7 Advantages
03:43 Engines
05:47 Suspension/Brakes
08:39 KLR Problems
11:55 Yamaha Problems
13:00 Maintenance/Reliability
14:00 Conclusion
2022 KLR650 Specs:
Power: 40 HP , Torque: 40 FT-LB
Wet Weight: 456 lbs (base)
Seat Height: 34.3 inches
Ground Clearance: 8.3 inches
Susp Travel: 7.5 inches
Fuel Cap/Range: 6.1 Gallons / 300 miles (480 km)
MSRP (USA): $6,699 Base
2022 Tenere 700 Specs:
Power: 72 HP , Torque: 52 FT-LB
Wet Weight: 450 lbs (base)
Seat Height: 34.6 inches
Ground Clearance: 9.5 inches
Susp Travel: 8.0 inches
Fuel Cap/Range: 4.2 Gallons / 200 miles (320 km)
MSRP (USA): $9,999 Base
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@goofyfoot2001
2 жыл бұрын
I think if I hear the phase, "The power and torque is very linear", one more time I am gong to flip out.
@slowenslo1427
2 жыл бұрын
The power and torque is were “ straight line like”, or the power and torque is very point a to point b
Great no nonsense comprehensive breakdown on these bikes. You’ll go far, keep it up!
@BigRockMoto
2 жыл бұрын
Wow, from the man, the myth, the legend Yammie Noob! Thanks!
@stephanhelsloot2638
2 жыл бұрын
I don’t always read the comments but watch all your videos and really appreciate your opinions and I am wondering if you will do a PanAm one not that I am a Harley fan but I am kinda intrigued by the that bike. Thanks 🙏
@Ikarus1776
2 жыл бұрын
@@BigRockMoto Now that you said that, his hemlet isn't going to fit next time he puts it on.
@jonboy87
2 жыл бұрын
Kind of like you went far after hitting that Porsche?
@Bob_on_Bikes
2 жыл бұрын
If yammie likes you, I'm subscribing.
T7 may be the bike that you want, but the KLR is probably the bike that you need.
@BigRockMoto
2 жыл бұрын
for many people that is true!
@BBryker
2 жыл бұрын
So true.
@flyingtigers7856
2 жыл бұрын
Not true. I don't need the vibrations, the lack of horsepower, the wallowy suspension. I need the T7!
@Marques_239
2 жыл бұрын
@@flyingtigers7856 what you need is to stop being a wuss
@cavscout62
Жыл бұрын
Not. The Yamaha is far superior and it doesn’t require the Expensive Doohickey Fix in order to live as long as you’d expect for your investment.
I bought the KLR a few weeks ago. I’m really enjoying it coming from a DRZ400. I waited for a T700 for a few years. Ever dealership that got one was given me an out the door price of well over $14k. And none lasted long at that price. I wasn’t interested in the KLR at all and was very disappointed with Kawasaki’s updates. But when my dealership got three in on the first week they were released I took one for a test drive. Every point you made about the KLR is spot on. I would rather have the T7 but for my needs the KLR makes more sense. It’s is a hobby and I will enjoy the KLR just as much for my needs. After pricing crash bars, luggage options, spair parts, and other travel needs I’m really glad I picked the KLR. The KLR quality is a little disappointing but you do get what you pay for. Thanks for your videos!
@rusipathan
2 жыл бұрын
14k is ridiculous. You can buy a new Chevy Spark for that amount. Late last year I came across T7s priced just under $11k OTD and I still thought that it was expensive for what it is (MT-07 based).
@BigRockMoto
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome
@Wintersdark
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the KLR is a great machine (if you're not concerned about road performance, particularly speed) specifically because of its cost. It's entirely competent, and an EXTREMELY good value. I will say, it's wierd, as they hold resale value significantly, but they're so cheap that it seems there's litter reason to buy a used one when a brand new one (under warranty!) is so inexpensive.
@sethmoniz915
2 жыл бұрын
How much out the door for the klr
@markcollins5026
2 жыл бұрын
Man, got the new 2022 KLR because it's still a big thumper !
I was at my local pedal bicycle shop recently and a top end mountain bike with battery assist was listed for $12k CDN. Made both the KLR and the T7 seem like a steal!
The main issue with the Tenere 700 is the utter lack of availabilty and severe mark-ups. Yamaha simply isn't making enough to go around, especially with all the supply chain issues going on.
@Wintersdark
2 жыл бұрын
It's not so bad now. I mean, there's a bunch in dealerships right now here in Alberta at MSRP. Just bought one myself a month ago or so - was actually in the dealership to see if they had a used DR650 or DRZ400 at a good price, and saw the T7 just chilling on the showroom floor. There's still a bunch around.
@TheSocialliberal
2 жыл бұрын
@@Wintersdark that's not the case in my area of the US. No dealerships had one in stock within 500 miles of where I live. If one did, it was gone the day they put it on the floor. Eventually I said enough, and bought a used Africa Twin instead.
@yvonjasser
2 жыл бұрын
Most people pre-ordered them, after that COVID hit and disrupted production.
@bradsanders6954
2 жыл бұрын
@@Wintersdark There are 0 T7's available in CA for months and months. I rode an 890R and bought it quickly,amazing bike. There arent a bunch around in the US. Yamaha wouldnt even take a deposit on one.
@Wintersdark
2 жыл бұрын
@@bradsanders6954 I mean, I just bought one without a deposit off the sales floor, and there's still some in dealerships between here (Calgary) and Edmonton. For sure there's not many and like everything (even Groms!) It's a PITA to get one, but not impossible if you're willing to travel.
This is the best review I have ever seen! Trully, straight to the point, pros, cons, prices and a final opinion. Simply amazing, congrats!
Definitely one of the best bike reviews I have seen. You did a great job covering both the positives and the negatives of the KLR. It's price is definitely attractive, but where and how you plan to ride make a huge difference. Keep up the good work.
This has got to be my favorite ADV bike channel. So much information. So much detail. I never have a question that isn’t addressed and usually he asks way more questions than I would ever think to. Great channel.
@BigRockMoto
2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoy it!
Great comparison video review! You made it very clear and concise and explained the issues with the KLR and possible remedies for them. Very helpful, thanks
Nice work Ian!…We ALL appreciate the serious effort you put into your videos and this one was no exception!…Thx again!👍👌😉
Great Review! I liked the back and forth riding view from both models at the beginning. Would like to see more of that in the future to help me compare without the music so I can hear the engines.
Thanks Ian. Great and thoughtfull analysis!! Bottom line: "both will take you to the same place!", however, it is obvious your preference with the better performance, quality and ride experience of the T7! I have a relaible KLR, but being 5'9", my only concern was the T7's seat height. Now that you show seat hights are moreless similar, just can't wait it to arrive!! Greetings from Bolivia's mountains.
Your reviews are professional and informative. Thanks for the work you put into these.
Great video. You review these bikes in a way that we rookies understand. I just bought a 2015 KLR with a lot of upgrades. New suspension equipment, doohickey, thermabob, fenders, bars, exhaust so I’m very fortunate that everything was done for me. That 2022 KLR does look awesome though
Thank you for such a good video. It was between the 2022 KLR and T7. The T7 was available to me first so I jumped on the opportunity. In NC it was $9,999 and $11,200 out the door and of course on top of that the Bark Buster, crash bars, etc. The list is endless. I have to say your T7 build is the best I've seen. What a badass looking bike.
This is definitely the video that i need, thank you so much for been so impartial
Very informative video. Thank you. I got lucky with my 1999 KLR. I've had absolutely no oil consumption issues (I've pushed it pretty hard) and I replaced the doohickey soon after I bought it 😁
Great job, Ian, you are really coming into your own in terms of how professional and comfortable you are in front of the camera compared to stay a year ago (I will not speak to the bikes themselves, as there are already tons of comments as to the merits of each bike)--it has been a pleasure to watch you progress. You do superb reviews, hitting the high points of at least what I would want to know if I was considering either of these bikes, and you seem so relaxed and comfortable in front of the camera. I cannot imagine how much time it takes to write, produce and edit these videos, but you are doing fantastic work--keep up the great work!
@BigRockMoto
2 жыл бұрын
thank you it means a lot
Great video. I bought a T7 this summer since I would need to spend more time on the highway...Ive been super pleased with mine.
Thanks again Ian, appreciate the metric data
Nice video! I'm glad I found your channel! I'm a life long rider that is making a change from street back towards my roots of dirt. The KLR is in my sights. Your videos have been very helpful! AND... this one actually ROCKED at the end!!! ;-)
Thanks Ian, great review. We really appreciate it! Kindly, Dennis
Exellent comparison. Great job. The graphics on the Tenere is one of the nicest I have ever seen.
Nice, very comprehensive comparison. Thanks
Excellent video! Thanks for the fair and informative points.
Very well done video, with all the information presented in a very balanced manner. I`m not interested one bit in these two bikes, but I know what I would get if I bought either one of these. Outstanding compared to other content was the discussion of known flaw, maintenance, and the lack of the TFT Display, LED indicators etc. etc. is missing. Thanks for that.
What a wonderful comparison between these two bikes.! Excellent, well researched information that is worthy of these two bikes! Very impressive, as clearly you put a lot of effort into this amazing video! Thanks so much for all that you present to someone interested in these bikes. Ride with Peace from Texas.
You obviously do your home work very well ! ! ! I love the way you explain and illustrate your ideas ... combined with your experience, it makes your review the "one of a kind" !!! Thanks again ! !! NB: you could ask yamaha for your share ... I just got a Tenere 700 also because of you ;-)
@tempestandacomputer6951
2 жыл бұрын
Well this guy has owned almost every adventure bike in the market haha
Excellent review, much appreciated. Thank you!
Really liked the objective comparison. Well done🤘
Wonderful comparison, you are not technically boring THANK YOU
Great review as ever. Thanks for you time. Subbed.
You are brilliant at this, thanks
You got sharp in the focus of each bike. Very good comparison. Thanks
excellent video. thank you for the details and thoughtfulness
Great video quality and very solid content! Two bikes worthy of a test ride soon.
Sir. You have some of the best videos on all of KZread - excellent clear speaker and very informative. Thanks for posting. Greetings and respect to all from Durango Mexico 🇲🇽
@BigRockMoto
2 жыл бұрын
thanks
Great video. Useful, Actionable information. Thanks!
Really enjoy your videos. I live on the other side of the desert near the Sierra Nevada mountain range. I truly love adventure riding and exploring new area.
Great comparison video! Really like your honest, down-to-earth, zero-bias, zero-sales-pitch style.
@BigRockMoto
2 жыл бұрын
thanks
Super comparison Sir.. i really loved it.. i'm a fan of the T7 but you pointed out some good and bad for both of the bikes.. Well done .. Nailed it in my opinion!! Hi from Italy
Great video and info, great clear footage, great mic, Ian emits excellence, great work! I definitely want a T7 but currently enjoying my $3500 Xr650l after years with the 1190 advr
@VVilkacy
2 жыл бұрын
Why did you switch from 1190 to XR650?
That is a nice comparison! If people cannot decide after that video, I don't understand. Good job, keep up.
Great, very professional review. Thank you!
Very objective and concise comparison - thank you.
Another very well presented video! Thank you for all the content you put out we all appreciate it. Out of curiosity, what was your day job before this? I can tell it attributes to your youtube content lol
Man, that T7 is beautiful! Congrats on that and in your videos. As for me the greatest difference is exactly the engine. The capacity to cruise at a great speed confortably without that feeling that you are blowing up your engine. I have a old XTZ660 and that is the main thing i miss, and i'm pretty sure the KLR is just like that (or even worse as i don't recall my bike to throtle up so slowly as that, but can be only bad judgement from my side)
Wow! Very informative. Nice job
Good job Ian, i am looking forward for your review of the fall trip that u r on. I am curious about the performance of the bike on that long trip highway riding and offroad experience....👍👍👍👍👍
Thanks for being fair, and presenting the good, bad, and the ugly. I'd like to hear about maintenance accessibility/ease or issues. They can be deal breakers.
Thank you for another great video.
Great comparison and great videos ! Can’t wait for you to evaluate and compare the new middleweight adv like the transalp / vstrom and 790. Check your conversions , 6.1 us gallons is about 23 liters and 4.2 us gallons is something like 16 liters .
Great comparison! Currently own a 2018 ATAS and have considered selling for the T7 a few times.
The best review as always Thank you
One of the best, if not the best reviews I’ve experienced, thank you.
@BigRockMoto
2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
I received a KLR as a gift when my best friend died. This helped me see its strengths and weaknesses.
Excellent video! Thanks!
Enjoyed your guidance. Don't rag on a product you have not ridden as some do.
A very compelling review that no one else is doing... thanks & Cheers!
@BigRockMoto
2 жыл бұрын
thanks
This is easily your best video. Well done and thanks for making it.
@BigRockMoto
2 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
Love the way you get right to it. I wish more reviewers were like that. Nice job 👍
@BigRockMoto
2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate that!
Excellent comparison video . I had a similar decision to make between the new Africa Twin standard version with DCT or the new Yamaha Tenere 700 . Was more my skill set than price but that was a major factor in me getting the Tenere .
Thank you for that. greetings from Mexico
great report, as usual!
Great comparo. The crickets were funny!
Excellent and helpful.
I bought a 14.5 KLR new in '15, and sold it in '18. It was a great bike, but not particularly exhilarating. One 20-minute demo (in town) was all I needed to make up my mind on a T7. The Tenere *wants* to be ridden, the KLR merely tolerates being ridden.
@censored4christ162
8 ай бұрын
I want them both
@TheAnnoyingBoss
5 ай бұрын
The klr is clearly more durable. Its got less cylinders for something to go wrong and will struggle to pull to 100mph but it costs less so acrually you can beat on it and the money you lose from depriciation will be less
@hokogan
5 ай бұрын
@@TheAnnoyingBoss Hundreds of thousands of oil-burning KLRs beg to differ.
Very well stated. Thanks for your insights.
Great video as normal for you Ian! Well done, and very informative. Would be interesting to see what the servicing costs for those valve adjustments are, some bikes it is a simple pop the cover off and go, vs others that require all sorts of new parts when you crack a seal on a cover. Great Video!
@BigRockMoto
2 жыл бұрын
Great suggestion!
Love your videos. I'm pretty much sold on the T7. My first bike was an FZ-07 and damn I enjoyed that bike!
Good work. Thanks
Another good video Ian. You give very detailed and informative explanations about everything. That's why I love your channel! I live in Indonesia and unfortunately the Tenere 700 costs, wait for it, 3 times more than in the US! The high price is due to very high import taxes here and the fact that there is only one dealer here that sells the bike. (Yamaha Indonesia don't stock it). That would be my dream adventure bike but sadly it is just too expensive... I roll with a CRF 250 rally at the moment which I do enjoy riding though.
Absolutely fantastic vlog, keep it up
Well done. Comprehensive review.
Excellent I really enjoy your channels. (From Vancouver Island).
Great video, thank you.
Great comp review. When you said Let’s talk about the shortcomings of the T700, I thought Dang! Now I’m not gunna be unhappy. But then…crickets! I LMAO! Keep up the good work. 👍
I had a 2001 Klr up until February 20 20 when it decided to slip a tooth on the cam chain and sent the piston into the valves then I bought a 2020KTM super adventure R and I’ll tell you what I’m never going back the bike is phenomenal handling acceleration cornering breaking it’s amazing!!! The quick shifter the turning ABS the ride modes the traction control the hill hold an amazing bike I love it don’t get me wrong I had my car alarm for 20 years almost 318,000 miles on a factory clutch
Great comparisons- very informative, but you asked for questions... Is there any great difference in the seating geometries ?
I appreciate your "low-key" approach. This video was useful. I have a suggestion, or request, rather, can you comment on which bike, in this case, would be better for a couple. Like many people, I'm married and I do like to bring my wife on motorcycle rides/adventures. Thanks! 👍 PS: Between these two bikes, I believe I know the answer, because of the suspension and power differences. It would not only be helpful in this review, but with most bikes you review. Keep up the good work and I will watch (new subscriber). 😀
The real question for me is the '22 KLR vs CB500X. The addition of fuel injection on the KLR took away the main advantage of the CB for me. As someone mostly looking for a lightweight moto camping bike a T7 is expensive overkill.
@JacobAnawalt
Жыл бұрын
If your doing more road miles and not leaving pavement much, you may appreciate the smoother parallel twin. There’s also Versys. If your more into dirt, people go moto camping with dual sports like the dr-z400 and the CRF.
@TheAnnoyingBoss
5 ай бұрын
If the 500 was a 650. The stock klr has a larger stock seat than basically anything though.
Great video and analyst. I agree buy within your budget and don't be bummed because you can't buy an expensive bike because with expensive bikes comes expensive maintenance and they are not necessarily more reliable either. You can have fun on practicality any bike.
+1, another great job delineating the reasons to get one or the other of these 2 great bikes!
Great review ian 👍🏻👍🏻
love your info
Great review! BR from Sweden
Got my (first motorcycle) 2003 KLR for $1750 on craigslist in 2018 and took it on a solo 80 day, 6000 mile road trip around the western United States in 2019. Rode 200-300 highway miles on many days and rode single track to camp on BLM land/ National forest a majority of the time. I ran into a fuel leakage problem in Idaho that had to be addressed but never any issues with oil burn. I truly love this cheap do-everything-well-but-do-nothing-great beater machine. All that being said, the T700 seems like a mature upgrade to make as I've learned more about bikes and respect the experience. Necessary? I don't think so. More enjoyable? Almost undoubtedly. Either way, I'm glad I started with The Pig.
Great video! great comparison, keep them coming! :D
Thank you. Had a bmw F800GS for 10 years. Used it everyday to go everywhere but it was mostly an urban bike. Just downgraded to honda 300xre and i feel very disappointed although i must admit its great in traffic and i love the suspension. Ive been searching Everyday to try to decide to change it for a klr or a tenere. You just made my day! Thank you again
I was debating between these two and I think this video made up my mind.
Great review, subscribed!
I’m curious for your perspective of the comparison between your very nicely upgraded T7 with a bone stock T7. Perhaps that’s an idea for a future video?
Appreciate this.
Another great video- only one other thing that I think effects the purchase of a T700 vs KLR. Getting one to purchase. I know of several friends waiting over a year and one who gave up after 18 months and bought a 22 KLR650 adventure. I like the T7 but found it as almost as cumbersome as the KLR in real dirt. I have a friend that bought a xt250 for dirt and trail riding close to home or when camping because of the weight issue( perceived in my opinion) after dropping his T7 several times in the dirt, it mattered enough to him to get another bike. He still rides the T7 with buddies as an adventure bike and touring but on dirt trails close to home and when he’s alone rides the XT250. To the same effect I have a KLR650 and bought a Honda Goldwing for highway touring. So I guess as you said to each his/her/their own!
Nice comparison here. Thank You. I’m 65 years old and have parked my road bike for various reasons. I just bought a new KLR in July. I think another factor to consider is how long you plan to ride your bike. 🤔 I’m very happy with my bike in the first 700 miles.
Good Job. Thanks!
Big singles “burning” oil. My 2007 KTM 525 EXC ran low on oil (no damage though) during a 2+ hr. highway run of 60+ mph. Some research (much of it KLR riders’ input) is that the crankcase oil mist might be pumped out. Either to atmosphere or into the airbox. My solution: a one-way valve in the breather hose. It allows excess pressure out, yet no vacuum can pull air in. Thus, the crankcase is under negative pressure during part of a crank revolution. That worked great for me. Great channel! Thanks.
I'm not even in the market for a new ride, just found your channel. Great comparison, Like and sub
@BigRockMoto
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks
Hola BRM, regards from Honduras, congratulatios on this great vídeo. I'll like to see a comparison betwin the Honda CB 500 x and the Kawasaki KLR 650. Same price and horse power... Please let me know.