Excellent explanation by Dr. Witherington. Thank you!

Brilliant work. These 7 minute snapshots are wonderful. I work with guys on recovery from addiction and these informative insights are an excellent contribution to addressing some of the genuine questions that people have about following Christ.

@dalenorman7398

2 ай бұрын

Thank you so much.

Great teaching. Very biblical.

Dr Ben is explaining the false teaching of the Pre-trib

@williamward9278

6 ай бұрын

except it's not false

@hudsonensz2858

2 ай бұрын

​@@williamward9278it is the way it's been presented in low church pop evangelism. It's folk theology that has been granted an heir of legitimacy because of the lengths people have gone to to manufacture it.

@Romans-rz8fp

Ай бұрын

The pre-trip rapture idea is only 300 years old. All in the disciples knew we would go to the tribulation the early church fathers even said we would go through the tribulation first Thessalonians is a letter written to Thessalonica because they had stopped working and thought they missed the rapture and he explained to them. No, it will be after the tribulation of those days.

@larrymcclain8874

Ай бұрын

​@Romans-rz8fp The tribulation already happened (Revelation 1:9), and took place during the period of persecution of Christians up until the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 AD (Matthew 24:9, 21).

@Romans-rz8fp

Ай бұрын

@@larrymcclain8874 incorrect.. it’s ongoing.. we have been in tribulation since Christ was on the cross. Read revelation 20… when the dead in Christ are raised.. that’s referred to as the 1st resurrection. Pual is referring to the same event. In Thessalonians it teaches baby Christian’s that day won’t over take you cause the man of sin will need to be revealed. The pre trib rapture belief is THE REASON many Christian’s will take the mark of the beast. BECAUSE they believe I don’t have worry about the mark because we will be gone. That is why many Christian’s took the vaccine even though they should not have. The pre trib rapture belief doesn’t prepare Christian’s for tribulation. Many Christian’s around the world experience it daily. Daily beatings. Daily jail. Daily killings. They cannot own land. Why do you think we won’t be persecuted? All those that desire to live Godly will experience persecution. They persecuted our master.. and we are not better than him. All throughout the Bible we see this! His kingdom is spiritual not physical. Don’t love your life more than pleasing the father.

he's spot on with his reference to "Christian behaving badly" and the escapism behind some popular interpretations.

@klausmkl

7 ай бұрын

Yea he is

@davidsikes128

4 ай бұрын

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@rgnold2517

Ай бұрын

1 Corinthians 10:13 but will with the temptation also make a way of "escape" Luke 21:36 that you may be accounted worthy to "escape" all these things that shall come to pass and to stand before the Son of man. Four references in Genesis 19, (17, 19, 20, and 22) associated with Lot and his "escape," because the destruction could not begin until he was out of the way. In fact the word escape appears well over 100 times in scripture so it is not an unusual concept to be associated with God's character.

@Romans-rz8fp

Ай бұрын

@@rgnold2517 correct.. they were protected not raptured. Counted worthy. Noah was still on the earth just on a boat. Just like in the days of Noah.. the wicked are taken NOT THE RIGHTEOUS. We inherit the earth. Wanting to be raptured is asking the father to take you with the wicked. You wanna be preserved. Not raptured. 2 people will be grinding at the mill.. one taken one left… What is not said.. the wicked are taken.. and the righteous stay… THAN WE MEET him and will goto New Jerusalem. We inherit the earth. We stay on the earth. The wicked are taken. Gotta pray about this.. and with a humble heart. If you read the old manuscript and Greek versions it makes more sense.

@Cuvoastoh6321

23 күн бұрын

​​​@@Romans-rz8fp Noah represents Israel and was carried thru, but Enoch was raptured out before the flood, Jesus said I go to prepare a place for you that where I am YOU MAY BE ALSO, The dead in Christ rise first and we that are alive and remain will be caught up look at Isaiah 26:19-21 your dead men shall live, together with my dead body so they arise. Awake and sing, you that dwell in the dust: for your dew is as the dew of herbs and the earth shall cast out the dead. Come my people enter into your chambers and shut the door about thee, hide yourself as it were for a little moment until the indignation be overpast For behold the Lord comes out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity, the earth also shall disclose her blood and shall no more cover her slain Luke 21:36, pray that you are accounted worthy TO ESCAPE, you can be accounted unworthy to escape Compare Hebrews 9:28 to Rev 1:7 to clearly see to separate events Days of Noah-eating and drinking and giving in marriage-rapture There is no eating and drinking, and giving in marriage going on when he sets his foot on the Mount of Olives The Earth is a total ruin after the tribulation. Rev 3:10 behold, a door was opened in heaven and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me which said come up hither...... The rapture is only for those looking for him Hebrews 9:28 If you're not looking for him because you plan to go at the end of the tribulation you are certainly welcome to stay God will not force you to leave he will never violate your will Paul said there is a crown laid up for those who love his appearing. Jesus said let no man take your crown from you, how can a man take your crown from you? By talking you out of it.... This is not all, there is lots more scattered thru out Post-tribers are just not ready to go, they're enjoying this life way too much and they're not ready for it to end, they want to squeeze out every moment no matter what it costs cause for them that's the most important thing. This is why they are blinded to the rapture in Scripture. They simply love life more..... Pre-tribers know that besides their rebirth the rapture is the best thing that ever happened to them and is worth watching and waiting for, just as we were instructed by Jesus.

Faith, Hope, Trust and Belief in Abba father alone and receive his own Holy Spirit in Jesus name. Abba father good news

Right on!

the so call rapture doctrine teachers ...mostly turn off the comments on their post ...they don't like the fact that the Word of God rebukes them

Here's my comment to Dr. Witherington's answer to the question asked @29:55 " Do you see the book of Revelation as a book that was dealing with 1st century. issues as well as some futuristic elements or would you go with one more than the other?" Because I see how Christ is still executing what He said He would to the seven churches, I believe it is not just written to a historic group of churches but to all churches throughout time until He returns when "𝘪𝘯 𝘢 𝘮𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘯𝘵, 𝘪𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘵𝘸𝘪𝘯𝘬𝘭𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘰𝘧 𝘢𝘯 𝘦𝘺𝘦, 𝘢𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘭𝘢𝘴𝘵 𝘵𝘳𝘶𝘮𝘱𝘦𝘵; when 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘥𝘦𝘢𝘥 𝘸𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘣𝘦 𝘳𝘢𝘪𝘴𝘦𝘥 𝘪𝘮𝘱𝘦𝘳𝘪𝘴𝘩𝘢𝘣𝘭𝘦, 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘸𝘦 𝘸𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘣𝘦 𝘤𝘩𝘢𝘯𝘨𝘦𝘥." So not only from chapter 6 onwards, but from start to finish of the book of Revelation, it is revealing Christ from different angles as judge and how He disciplines the churches throughout the ages.

@dalenorman7398

Ай бұрын

That's interesting. It's a bit like the belief that the 7 churches in chapters 2 & 3 represent the various states of church age in the last 2000 years, which I think came from Justin Martyr.

@sishrac

Ай бұрын

@@dalenorman7398 I meant that while the epistle was written to a 1st-century audience the revelation of Christ in His judgment and commendations apply to all church ages. I reject the historicist interpretation of chapters 2 and 3 of Revelation. I can't see why the Holy Spirit would give the readers of the 1st century a prognosis of the church ages in the future. Viewing the book as a revelation of future events is to overlook the revelation of Christ. Moreover, since my posting above 5 months ago, I have corrected my error of thinking Jesus is yet to return in judgment. As promised in the Gospel and anticipated throughout the Old and New Testament writings it happened when the measure of sin and transgression of that generation was filled up in A.D. 70. Jesus came and handed the Kingdom to the Father. Since the destruction of the temple and the end of the Jewish age, God has authority over all peoples. Because He is the Alpha & the Omega and remains the same forever He continues judging the world and the 'churches' according to His nature as revealed in the book.

@dalenorman7398

29 күн бұрын

@@sishrac That sounds really interesting. You should check out my documentary on the Olivet Discourse: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dZij19Ckn5aXZto.html

@sishrac

28 күн бұрын

@@dalenorman7398 Thanks for the link. I did check it out and more on your channel. I look forward to discussing why Christians wish for Jesus' 2nd coming.

@TexasBlues-123

27 күн бұрын

Revelation is a forgery that contains errors and contradictions. ♦According to Matthew, when Jesus returns He judges the nations and it's either enter into the Kingdom or into Hell. (Matt 25:31-41). According to Revelation judgement occurs 1,000 years later on. ♦Whoever believes in Jesus never dies (John 11:26) so a resurrection into eternal life for believers at the White Throne Judgment contradicts what Jesus taught since they never died. ♦The second coming of Jesus is unexpected but Revelation gives us plenty of detail where anyone can easily calculate that day once the 666 system is implemented. ♦ Eternal life for the righteous:: Righteous people who are alive upon Jesus' return enter eternal life in the Kingdom (Matt 25:34 & 46) but are later destroyed after 1,000 year when they are deceived by Satan when he is released after the 1,000 year reign (Rev 20:9) vs. Righteous people who are raised at the White Throne Judgement and whose names are found written in the book of life are granted eternal life. Thus, we have 2 very different outcomes for righteous people. ♦ _"The nations will walk by its (the Holy City's) light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it."_ (Rev 21:24) someplace in the new heaven or earth but the nations were already destroyed after they were gathered around the camp of the saints and the beloved city and fire came down from heaven and destroyed them. (Revelation 20:7-9) ♦How does a vast innumerable crowd of people (Rev 7:14) who washed their clothes in the blood of the lamb manage to enter the Kingdom when only a few find it (Matt 7:14) according to Jesus? ♦ *Free Gift vs do the commandments* _”The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let the one who hears say, “Come!” Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life.”_ (Revelation 22:17) vs _"Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.”_ (Revelation 22:14 KJV) ♦ *The Second Coming, who sees it* According to Revelation 1:7 _”Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him, and those who pierced Him, and all the tribes of the earth will wail because of Him. Yes! Amen!”_ vs Revelation 20:4-5 says the only ones in the first resurrection are martyrs. Therefore, it would be impossible for “those who pierced Him” to see His return since they don’t get resurrected until after the Millennial Kingdom period. ♦ *Gathered them for battle vs neither shall they learn war anymore* _"He shall judge between the nations, And rebuke many people; They shall beat their swords into plowshares, And their spears into pruning hooks; Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, NEITHER SHALL THEY LEARN WAR ANYMORE.”_ (Isaiah 2:4) vs _”7When the thousand years are complete, Satan will be released from his prison, 8and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth- Gog and Magog- to ASSEMBLE THEM for BATTLE. Their number is like the sand of the seashore."_ (Revelation 20:7-8) ♦ *The burning grass* 1st angel _The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and ALL GREEN GRASS WAS BURNT UP._ (Revelation 8:7) vs 5th angel _And it was commanded them that THEY SHOULD NOT HURT THE GRASS OF THE EARTH, NEITHER ANY GREEN THING, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads._ (Revelation 9:4) The author got it wrong. The grass is already burned up. ♦ *The 12 tribes of Israel* The author of Revelation gets the names of the 12 tribes of Israel wrong (Revelation 7:4-8). Dan is omitted and replaced by Manasseh. Manasseh is one of two sons (Manasseh and Ephraim) of Joseph, not the son of Israel. ♦*Temple or no temple?* Revelation (21:22) _And I saw NO TEMPLE in it, for the Lord God Almighty is its temple, and the Lamb are its temple._ This directly contradicts Ezekiel's account where in Ezekiel chs 40 - 47 great detail is given about the physical eternal temple. This temple is clearly not one that has been built before since Ezekiel describes it as having rivers flowing from it in chapter 47. The temple Ezekiel describes is the eternal temple of God set amongst man. _He said: “Son of man, this is the place of my throne and the place for the soles of my feet. This is where I will live among the Israelites FOREVER. The people of Israel will never again defile my holy name-neither they nor their kings-by their prostitution and the funeral offerings for their kings at their death._ (Ezekiel 43:7)

Good interview, Dale, however, I wish that your guest would have defined the word "rapture." I had no idea what he was talking about until I realized that what he means by rapture is "being taken out of the world to avoid tribulation," instead of the traditional definition of "being caught up in the air to meet Jesus." As soon as one realizes that he's using a very unique definition of the word, then what he has to say makes sense. Dane

@dalenorman7398

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Dane. Really sorry for the late reply. I thought he meant that the 'classic' rapture verse was used in a way to describe the crowd coming out to meet a king as he approaches the city as way of explaining the second coming when Jesus arrives on the earth. Sounds to me that we stay on earth so that Christ can rule hear. What do you think? Many thanks, Dale

Amen brother

No secret about christ treturn like lightning east to west. The trumpet sound a lot of noise.

At 33:20, Dr. Witherington says that Rev 3 ("Behold, I stand at the door and knock.") is about judgement and not about Jesus coming to take us home. How did he arrive at that interpretation? What about the rest of the verse that says "If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me."? That doesn't sound like judgement.

@johnwiks2597

Жыл бұрын

And before that He's dressing down the Laodicians for their pitiable state, although they think themselves good. What does Jesus say right before that phrase? "Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline, so be zealous and repent" ESV Or "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore and repent" KJV Then, "behold I stand at the door and knock". There is a subtext of judgement, the very letter is a judgement of the church at Laodicea. Behold Jesus stands at the door, will you accept the judgement and rebuke(open the door)? Or reject the judgement of Jesus and harden yourself against His words?(leave the door closed) Judgement begins at the house of the Lord. The one who hardens their heart against the word of the Lord stands judged, regardless of where they stand, even if in the midst of the congregation. The one who softens their stance will sup with Him.

@ewaldradavich7307

5 ай бұрын

What about the church in revelation where Jesus said I will keep you from the hour of testing. And the church of thyatira where He said He would punish her children with death.

@alassmann

4 ай бұрын

The judgment is on unbelieving Jews

@HeShallReign

16 күн бұрын

It's an invitation to personal communion with Christ in these last days to those who are truly saved in the midst of this false Laodicean period of the church age. I know this because he says, "as many as I love I rebuke and chasten." The Lord only chastens those that are his according to Hebrews 12.

What does an understanding of the New Covenant do to the Pretrib Rapture doctrine? Since the New Covenant is “everlasting” in Hebrews 13:20, how is the New Covenant Church age going to end seven years before the Second Coming of Christ? Why would anyone think God is going back to the Old Covenant system now made “obsolete” by the New Covenant in Hebrews 8:13? We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24. Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it. The Capitol "C" Church, as we use the word today, is not found in the entire Book of Revelation. Individual church bodies in ancient Asia Minor are found. In Revelation 12:11 we find those under the blood of the Lamb. A person cannot be under the blood of the Lamb and not be a part of the New Covenant Church of Jesus Christ. Verse 12 of this passage proves at least part of the tribulation period is the wrath of Satan upon the people of God. Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. "It may come as a surprise to most pre-Trib prophecy students that the post-Trib position (in its primitive form) is the oldest point of view." (The quotation above is from the book "Will You Escape The Tribulation? RAPTURE [Under Attack]", by Tim LaHaye, copyright 1998, Page 197.) Tim LaHaye was co-author of the “Left Behind” books and movies which have convinced millions of modern Christians that the Church age ends seven years before the Second Coming of Christ. Recently, Pastor Matt Furse of Mountain View Baptist Church in Custer, S.D. has written a book titled “Which One Is Right?’, which reveals the recent history of the pretrib rapture doctrine, and the fact it does not agree with what is written in the King James Bible. The gathering of the Church is described at the end of 1 Thess. Chapter 4, and the timing of the event is found in chapter 5. The word “But” in the first verse of chapter 5 connects the two chapters, and the words “we” and “sleep” in verse 10 of chapter 5 prove the two chapters are connected. The Greek words for “wrath” and “tribulation” are not the same word, as proven by the verse below. Rev 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. Watch the KZread video “Pretribulation Paradox” by former pretrib believer skydiver626. ===================== Based on Hebrews 12:22-24, the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26 cannot be separated from the New Covenant fulfilled by His blood at Calvary. See the words "church" and "mount Sion" and "new covenant" and "Jesus" and "blood" in the passage. Are we supposed to believe the angel Gabriel appeared to Daniel to reveal the timeline of the Messiah who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and then the angel failed to even mention the New Covenant. Or, is the covenant with the many in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the many in Matthew 26:28? The 1599 Geneva Bible is the Bible the Pilgrims brought to America, before John Darby showed up on our shores about the time of the Civil War. What was the earlier understanding of Daniel 9:27 found below in the notes of the 1599 Geneva Bible? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dan 9:27 And he shal confirme the couenant with many for one weeke: and in the middes of the weeke he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the ouerspreading of the abominations, he shall make it desolate, euen vntill the consummation determined shalbe powred vpon the desolate. Daniel 9:27 And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (b) cease, (c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. (a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles. (b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection. (c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them.

I believe Paul referred to it as the "blessed hope," not to be confused with the "glorious appearing." The "Lord himself" comes for those who are alive in him, and who died in him. Angels are the reapers during the "glorious appearing." The church as Paul taught it to be, the "body of Christ" came in a mystery, and it's leaving here will be a mystery as Paul told the Corinthians. The "grace of God that bringeth salvation" teaches us this. My question is why do so few seem to see it, including this man with a title? I know the answer to this question. It is found in 2 Thes. 2:9-11. These people will believe what they are ordained to believe just like many of Israel did in the early days of the church. When Christ was here, John said in the 12th chapter that they "could not believe." Why? Because of what Isaiah wrote concerning them in the 6th chapter. The modern church is no different. Paul said that many of you would not endure sound doctrine, therefore you are getting back into line with the teachings of the mother church.

Rapture as taught _IS NOT_ in the bible. However, it is in part. 1 Th 4:16 does not include it, but 1 Th 4:17 does. *_Harpazo,_* is the same as Rapio in Latin. Neither refers to those who were dead and rose first, but both refer to those who are alive and remain as being caught up to be with the dead who rose first. Rapio is where the word Rapture came from. And yes, it is being used to say both the dead and those who are alive are going to be caught up to the clouds at the same time. But the bible doesn't say same time, it says after the dead are raised. But the word Up, or caught up, is not used for the dead who rise first.

John 5:28-29 (also John 11:24) proves that there is a misunderstanding in thinking that 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 is something different. Both of these passages describe the same event. Paul is comforting the Thessalonian Christians who were worried about their deceased love ones missing out on the resurrection, so Paul explains that their assumptions are unfounded and that their relatives will be included in the resurrection of the just. There was not a need at this time to bring up the unjust since they were not relevant to the particular discussion.

@kdnemeth

Ай бұрын

Excatly

@HeShallReign

16 күн бұрын

If this is the case, then how could Paul say, "behold I shew you a mystery?" It wasn't a mystery to Martha. The resurrection at the last day is not, nor was it ever a mystery. The "blesses hope" of the church was a mystery since the church as Paul taught it to be, was a "mystery which in other ages was not made know unto the children of men," but only "now was being revealed to his holy Apostles and prophets by the Spirit." Eph 3

@larrymcclain8874

16 күн бұрын

@HeShallReign Here is the mystery Paul is speaking of, "that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel,..." (Eph. 3:6). Here is institutionally the fulfillment of that mystery, with Jews and Gentiles in the same body ".....and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ; to the intent that now the manifold wisdom of God might be made known by the CHURCH to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places...." (Eph. 3:10). And again, "to Him be glory in the CHURCH by Christ Jesus to ALL GENERATIONS, forever and ever. Amen." (Eph. 3 21). So Paul is saying that the mystery is that Jews and Gentiles will be together on one body, which is the church. He goes on to say in chapter 5 that Christ is the head of the church. In John 5:28-29, nothing is changed, "Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which ALL who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth-those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation." Define "all." Revelation 20:4 states explicitly that the first resurrection is a resurrection of souls. Not bodies, but souls. The reign in this verse is not the reign of Christ for a thousand years, but the reign of martyred souls for a thousand years. "They will reign," plural pronoun. Christ Himself is already reigning before the thousand years and continues to reign through the thousand years and also after it.

Great video. The real problem (as I see it) with the church is the unwillingness by most not to even consider that their belief may be incorrect. They read scripture looking for verses to back up what they believe more than reading it to find the truth. When you point out that a verse or passage is being used out of context, you are often marginalized or set apart all together. I sometimes wish people would read the Bible with a similar mindset as to reading a novel. With a novel you have a beginning, the middle is events that move the story forward and the end wraps it all up. If you do that with the Bible, what do you find? Man starts out in a great world that includes the Tree of Life. Events happen that sees man cast out of that place. The end describes the Tree of Life again in the midst of a idyllic place. So the whole story is about how man is returned to the place he was always meant to be. We get there by following the example Jesus gave us.The story is complex but the plot is simple. I think many (if not most) Christians fail to see this because they are trying to use the Bible to further a doctrinal agenda. So many want to understand how unfulfilled prophecy will happen and many think they can do that with their own logic. News Flash: Satan also wants to know and he's had a lot more time to study scripture than any man living. Satan thought he had won when Jesus was crucified but found out what those prophecies really meant. Jesus' death was the fulfillment of prophecies that he didn't see coming. We are to read prophecy not so we will have a leg up on those who don't, we are to read it so we will be able to easily recognize it when it happens. And we should always keep in mind that God works in patterns so history may repeat itself in a similar way that events occurred in the past. Throughout the whole Bible, one truth should be evident. God does what He wants and accomplishes His plan in mysterious ways. So--what should we do about that? Since the story reveals that His plan culminates in world that we all would (or should) want to be part of, we should trust Him to finish the story however He deems best to do so. It really has worked out for the best so far even though man seems bent on derailing the process for selfish goals. The Christians best course of action is simple. Have Faith. And don't try to rewrite the story for personal agendas.

@nancybennett6134

9 ай бұрын

THAT IS A MOUTHFUL ! What you are saying is relatively true -- what they are DOING is tryinjg to RE-WRITE the BIBLE to FIT the AGENDA they want to FOLLOW ! --- Bible is CLEAR about that ! We are to FOLLOW GODS AGENDA !!!

@martinschneeberg1653

2 ай бұрын

These arguments are used by both Pre-Tribulation and Post-Tribulation supporters - in the exact same way.

@charlesrobinson5572

Ай бұрын

So pleasant to read someone's thoughts and see a kindred spirit ❤May the veil be lifted

the answer be with lack of decernment from both of these men now let's get back to truth that comes about from decernment.

Seth Macfarlane made it clear through the American Dad episode in which some were taken and some were left behind. Verifying that there is no biblical foundation for the so-called Rapture which finds its roots in the beginnings of American Sensationalisism. The word, sensationalisism is spelled correctly and is a gift not only to the American Public but to all and sundry who would take heart and incorporate the currently internationally approved correct spelling into colloquial usage. God Bless AMERICA !!!

I believe Scotty will beam me up when he wants to protect me from His wrath of the wicked. Isaiah 13:6-12, Matthew 12:30, Romans 5:9, 2 Peter 3:6,7 Luke 17:26-35. A literal description of a rapture see Revelation 11:12.

Where were the Bible scholars when Jesus' birth and life? How badly did they get it wrong. Even His disciples got it wrong. So, the honest truth, none of us know exactly how end will be.

Dr. BW III is among the best and a true "go-to" source for Biblical understanding. I have used his materials for a long time for clarity and understanding. Thank God for his humble work and straightforward approach to teaching. But...I'm sure glad we didn't listen to his recommendations during the pandemic. Those comments sure didn't age well.

The main narrative of Revelation 20 is not what most people think. Revelation 20 is a continuation of ch. 19, where after the defeat of the harlot, is next the defeat of the beast and false prophet. Both are thrown into the lake of fire. In ch. 20 you have the defeat of the fourth enemy of Christ mentioned in the book, Satan himself. A thousand years separates his defeat from the defeat of the harlot, beast, and false prophet. Then, at Christ's coming, Satan is destroyed and cast into the same lake of fire that the beast and false prophet were cast. As far as any reign goes, Rev. 20:4-6 is about the reign of the martyred souls. These souls (not bodies) are those who participate in the first resurrection. There is only one bodily resurrection mentioned, and that occurs at the final coming of Christ, and happens to all humanity.

With the exception of the state of modern Israel being (in some way a fulfillment of prophecy) I agree with what he says. I lean more to Post.millenialism mission but accept premil. Revelation.

Any one who thinks it is alright to let little children suffer at all is heartless. Some say god does not let children suffer. Take a look around see how many suffered for years on end.IF YOU HAVE A BRAIN YOU CAN NOT DENY THERE IS NO GOD AT ALL. THANK YOU

@Romans-rz8fp

Ай бұрын

Heaven is going to be filled with mostly children. They will have perfect bodies. They will live forever and they will always be happy that is a blessing or would you rather grow up in life and have a lifetime of misery?

@Romans-rz8fp

Ай бұрын

You say there is no God but it’s obvious and he says to everyone… look around at creation creation, points to a creator we cannot make anything without gods building blocks DNA points to a intelligent designer. The Bible says we are without excuse if you’re doubting go into the closet, be sincere and ask him to prove himself to you if he wants you saved and then just wait because it will happen.

@rickdavies4801

Ай бұрын

@Romans-rz8fp WHY does God say not to harm the children then he says kill all the men women and children???

2 Thessalonians 2 shows us the sequence. The "early church fathers" were oblivious to this. see Daniel 12:4

watching this after all the misinformation about the pandemic, does give another view to some of the last comments. But a very good study of the Rapture

No faith. Then: No salvation. No healing. No Rapture. No kidding.

So I guess we all are gonna be killed soon in the tribulation then? Doesn’t really seem too hopeful whatsoever.

@rgnold2517

Ай бұрын

That's what post trib is about, get happy with it.

@aus_huayra500_3

Ай бұрын

@@rgnold2517 I’m not sure anyone is happy with that.

@rgnold2517

Ай бұрын

​@@aus_huayra500_3that's what a post trib teaching is, hopeless, only in pre-trib teaching is there comfort.

And now two years later we find out that the jab is what's cousin all the problems

Close up the Book Daniel until the end days..... The rapture was to be revealed in the end days, as other end day revelations.

When you read the Word of God be obedient to what you read. Jesus first safety last!

it depends.... as we know the actual word rapture is not found in written in the Bible, however, the word comes from the Latin word, rapio which means to remove or to snatch.... if you say the rapture can happen at any moment which is what has been taught since the 1800's and was believed even before then, then yes, the rapture or evacuation of live souls from up off the face of the earth at any moment is False, unless it has occurred by way of experiencing the "First Death".... However,.... if you stand on actual Biblical scripture that Prophesies in the Gospels about the Return of Yahushua Ha'Machiach how that the Almighty shall send His Angels with a Great Sound of A Trumpet and gather his Elect from from the four winds, from the "uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven" then you are correct.... however, this Evacuation, or rapture if you will can not happen at any moment, as there is a Prophetic Predetermined Set Time when Yahushua can return to the earth, not a moment sooner nor a moment later.... those who have been waiting for years even for Decades and decades and decades for the Rapture to happen at any moment while they are still alive in their flesh bodies have actually been waiting in vain.... The 6000 years is Ending.... The Tribulation which shall Lead into "Divine Great Tribulation" our world and current generation has never known and has never had to Endure is almost here.... "Prepare Yourselves" in Yahushua Ha'Machiach, The Anointed One, called Jesus, The Christ. The SALVATION AND WORD Of The Most High YAH. Shalawam to all whom possess a Repentant heart and soul in The Most High Yahuah and our Lord and Savior and Returning King Yahushua. "APTTMHY"

Nobody talks about the second coming of Christ, just this man made false doctrine of the rapture.

Translate ἁρπαγησόμεθα ἐν νεφέλαις . Then tell us what it means.

Funny how both sides of this issue dogmatically claim the other side's view is based on ignorance.

The title seems misleading. The rapture was mentioned by Jesus himself on many occasions, including with Mary Madeline. WHEN it occurs is the big question. Not if it is a false teaching. If it is, Jesus would be a false teacher. Those were really difficult words to even type. He was NOT a false teacher so this title feels like clickbait a bit. Be straight forward with the Word.

@aus_huayra500_3

6 ай бұрын

But the bible doesn’t confirm a rapture that’s unfortunately the truth

@rgnold2517

Ай бұрын

​@@aus_huayra500_3Hebrews 9:28 only those looking for him will see him, read it for yourself, NOT AT ALL LIKE every eye will see and wail (in grief) seeing his return. If that is when the church is raptured out why is there wailing by all are seeing him. Why wouldn't you be ecstatic upon his return.....

@ephesians_2_8

2 күн бұрын

This is atheological and unbiblical.

@rgnold2517

2 күн бұрын

@@ephesians_2_8 Hebrews 9:28 so Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many and UNTO THEM THAT LOOK FOR HIM SHALL HE APPEAR THE SECOND TIME without sin unto salvation Rev. 1:7 behold he comes with clouds and every eye shall see him and they also which pierced him and all kindreds of the Earth shall wail because of him, even so, amen

Hope you have a clear 1835 Margaret A McDonald Glasgow Scotland is where the idea came from. I would not be here if a rapture were going to happen, many of us would not be here. How about putting on the mind of Christ and manifest...

Pre-Trib Rapture Christ is VERY CLEAR on this subject. PERIOD! Matthew 24:29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other. (NASB95) Mark 13:24 “But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light, 25 and the stars will be falling from heaven, and the powers that are in the heavens will be shaken. 26 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven. (NASB95) Those who teach a pre-Trib “rapture” are sons of Gehenna… they are AGAINST CHRIST! This is why… That one false teaching will be the catalyst for the Great Apostasy! When “Christians” witness the undeniable signs of the Tribulation and realize they were not “beamed up” to Heaven, they will lose faith! They will be rocked to their foundations and question: “I’m a believer. Why wasn’t I good enough?” Likewise, these are the same false teachers who twist Paul’s epistles to suit their agenda. What both say is true, but the timeline is different for the latter. Most people don’t realize that there are three resurrections in the future: * Enoch and Elijah, the two witnesses of Revelation, after they are killed by Leviathan (the beast of the sea/abyss) in the streets of Jerusalem where their dead bodies will lie for three Biblical yomim (“evenings” and “mornings” per Genesis 1) towards the conclusion of the Tribulation. * Those beheaded for Christ DURING the Tribulation. They will serve as priests of the order of Melchizedek (Heb. Malki-tsedeq) during His Millennial Reign (and beyond!) on Earth immediately after the Second Coming. Also, the righteous elect who endure/survive the Tribulation. This is what Paul is referencing in 1 Thessalonians 4 et al. Note: They aren’t taken up into Heaven but to Jerusalem. Christ abdicates His Throne as the Prince of Peace in Heaven to serve as the King of kings and Lord of lords on Earth and the New Earth to come! Re-read Revelation 21:1-22:5. Our ultimate destination is NEW EARTH! Heaven and the New Heaven to come is the domain of the Elohim. When we die, our souls go DOWN to Heb. She’ol/Gr. Hades to await resurrection. * The righteous elect from Abel forward as well as the elect living on Judgment Day on Yom Kippur near the conclusion of the fourth age in 7000 A.M. ALL modern churches and synagogues are chock full of false traditions (embellishments not in Scripture), precepts of men (manufactured theology), and doctrines of demons (assimilated paganism) as was prophesied! Those in pulpits “tickle the ears” of their congregations by telling them what they want to hear. The true church was called The Way (Gr. tēn Hodon/Heb. HaDerech) as is mentioned throughout Acts as well as the Dead Sea Scrolls. Enoch and Elijah, the two witnesses of Revelation, will re-establish The Way during the Tribulation in preparation for Christ’s Second Coming. #QuestionEverything

in John capture 6 verse 44 Jesus our Lord states that "I WILL RAISE HIM UP ON THE LAST DAY" scripture interprets scripture ..so therefore when Paul states in 1Thessalonians capture 4 verse 16 "the dead in Christ will be raised from the dead" it is on the LAST DAY ...there is no days after the last day ...stop believing these false "rapture doctrine" teachers the word "rapture" does not appear in the whole of the bible ...that should give you a clue?..

@HeShallReign

16 күн бұрын

Christ's audience were Jews under the Law. The body of Christ, the Church as Paul taught it was still a mystery "hid in God," therefore all of the teachings concerning it would also have been a mystery to them Jews. At least that is what Paul said in Ephesians 3. This was obvious in light of Peter's reaction in Acts chapter 10 when the Gentiles were saved to his shock.

It’s always been in the Bible and that’s the way it is !

@aus_huayra500_3

6 ай бұрын

I mean this guy disproved it unfortunatly but it gives us no real hope for escape in these times. We will all be slaughtered for our faith by antichrist soon

Overall very helpful, but your political perspective is off and the science has not supported your position as firmly as you would like

@sishrac

6 ай бұрын

Agreed! The vaccination had brought on more severe health issues than good.

Very interesting commentary on Scripture, but history has shown the pandemic commentary to be incorrect regarding what would work but correct in wondering how the Christian community at large could lead more effectively in society.

Islam did not start in 7th century. Islam started with the first human being, Adam, who was also a prophet of God. All the Prophets who came later including Noah, Abraham, Ismael, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, David, Solomon, Jesus and finally Muhammad, peace be upon them all, were Muslims. All of them preached Islam. Judaism started when some Jews refused to accept Jesus, pbuh, as a true prophet of God. Christianity started when some people started thinking that Jesus, pbuh, was God. Both Judaism and Christianity are deviations from Islam. God gave only one religion. People started making their own religions.

@scottsquires2863

Ай бұрын

What is your proof text for this claim? If you make such a claim you need to present verifiable text that supports your claim. The 7th century is the first time the concept of Islam was presented, a claim supported by verifiable text.

@NOLRAD

Ай бұрын

@@scottsquires2863 we shouldn’t listen to people who make such non-historical claims about humanity. I would refer you to a man that can be found on KZread “Jay Smith” he is great at presenting Islamic history & it’s origins. Also there is a man named “Ken Johnson” whom has studied the Dead Sea Scrolls. Both those two men are a treasure trove of knowledge.

NO READ YOUR BIBLE..It s there. "We will be caught up"

@rgnold2517

23 күн бұрын

Thank you

that terrible cgi is extremely annoying & unnecessary

YES IT IS VERY FALSE!!! Let Jesus answer the question of when he will return, Jesus says this...Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. THEY SHALL SEE THE SON OF MAN COMING....WHEN?...answer--- >Immediately after the tribulation of those days Jesus said He comes Immediately after the tribulation of those days. What days? The tribulation days He Jesus also gathers the saints Immediately after the tribulation of those days.... Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. What Jesus is saying in Matthew 24:29-31 is the same time frame of what is read in 1 Thessalonians chapter 4:13-17...1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: The above scripture also happens Immediately after the tribulation of those days Jesus does not come again until AFTER tribulations is over!!!!! The saints are only gathered AFTER tribulations is over. Here is the scripture that lets us all know how many times Christ comes and goes. Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. It said Jesus will appear a second time unto salvation!!!!! Jesus said the Tribulation period will be like it was during the time of Noah. Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Jesus did not take Noah to heaven to protect him from the flood. God made a way to save Noah and his family right here on earth, and that is the same thing He is going to do to protect saints from the great tribulation period. Hear the words of the Lord.... Psalms 91:1-11 Psa 91:1 He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty. Psa 91:2 I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust. Psa 91:3 Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence. Psa 91:4 He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler. Psa 91:5 Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day; Psa 91:6 Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday. Psa 91:7 A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee. Psa 91:8 Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked. Psa 91:9 Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation; Psa 91:10 There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling. Psa 91:11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways. Conclusion The bible shows that Jesus only come two times in scripture. The first coming was to die for the sins of the world. Then the bible shows that Jesus is coming back one more time to reign on the earth for a thousand years. There is no third coming of Jesus. All those thinking God will come and take them off the earth before tribulations would be saying Jesus comes three times and not just two. There is no scripture that shows Jesus comes to die for the sins of the word then goes to sit on the right hand of the father in haven, then return a second time to take the saints to heave to hide them from great tribulations, and then finally return a third time after tribulations and reign for a thousand years. Its only two comings of the Jesus. Then he reigns for a thousand years and then he relinquish rule unto the FATHER forever. Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. Peace in the name of Yahusha/Jesus

Read Tim LaHayes book Revelation Unveiled especially pages 109-112 in Chapter 10 and this proves the idea of the Rapture was known to the early church fathers and is not a new idea

@sishrac

6 ай бұрын

The early church fathers are not an iron clad reference to truth. The apostle Paul warned about false teachers going out of the fold. The writings of Paul and the other writers of the NT are the only iron clad reference I'd lean on. We who love truth at all cost have the providence of understanding the things of the Spirit through the same Holy Spirit who inspired these writings, who also indwells us. Reading the book of Revelation as revealing Christ as the righteous judge and discipliner of His church to purify her for Him does eliminate any sense made of much of the new sensationalists' teachings that reveal some false future. That book is given to Christians to reveal Christ and His response to our lives as the same throughout the ages, even in the here and now.

@Berean_with_a_BTh

5 ай бұрын

A pre-tribulation rapture wasn't taught by anyone on the early church. It's an idea invented in the 1830s. Those claiming early church support for the pre-tribulation rapture twist the writings concerned, ripping them out of context and even outright falsifying of them. Hardly surprising given what they do to Scripture.

No scripture to back it up just a wired vision .

Used to listen to this guy occasionally, NOT anymore, pretty simple to follow in scripture that evil cannot come to its full fruition unless the holy spirit is taken out of the way, Holy Spirit leaves with the church in the pre-trib rapture. Then all hell breaks loose....

Proof of A Pre trib Rapture. Pay Attention to the Cloud and Clouds Jesus appears In and With. Acts chapter 1 verses 9 10 11 Cloud. In Red Luke chapter 21 verses 27 and 28 Jesus is coming In A Cloud the Rapture. In Revelation chapter 1 verse 7 Jesus is coming With the Clouds when he comes back to the Mt of Olive the second coming KJV. Keep studying.

@Liminalplace1

Ай бұрын

Look at Daniel 9 for an understanding of what that means. No rapture there. The son of man comes on the cloud before the throne .not towards earth

Latter history this “doctor “ is so far off it isn’t even funny, don’t quote my date exactly, there were no Palestinians in Israel before 1970 they went to bed Jordanian the next day they woke up Palestinian it was totally a political move they are Palestinian by blood and lineage.

@sishrac

6 ай бұрын

A good many of these Palestinians have modern Egyptian ancestry. Their last names indicate it, I'm told.

@derekcarstensen9134

6 ай бұрын

@@sishrac interesting

There is a huge difference between the opinions of men and the writings of Paul. One is just that, the opinions of men, but Paul's writings are considered to be Scripture and therefore God's word. "𝘉𝘦𝘩𝘰𝘭𝘥, 𝘐 𝘢𝘮 𝘵𝘦𝘭𝘭𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘢 𝘮𝘺𝘴𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘺; 𝘸𝘦 𝘸𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘢𝘭𝘭 𝘴𝘭𝘦𝘦𝘱, 𝘣𝘶𝘵 𝘸𝘦 𝘸𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘢𝘭𝘭 𝘣𝘦 𝘤𝘩𝘢𝘯𝘨𝘦𝘥". "Sleep" is a euphemism for death so the passage reads "we will not all die", yet in the same breath the Apostle tells us "𝘸𝘦 𝘸𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘢𝘭𝘭 𝘣𝘦 𝘤𝘩𝘢𝘯𝘨𝘦𝘥". Those who have died plus those who have not died and are still alive at the time will be changed. "𝘪𝘯 𝘢 𝘮𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘯𝘵, 𝘪𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘵𝘸𝘪𝘯𝘬𝘭𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘰𝘧 𝘢𝘯 𝘦𝘺𝘦, 𝘢𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘭𝘢𝘴𝘵 𝘵𝘳𝘶𝘮𝘱𝘦𝘵; 𝘧𝘰𝘳 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘵𝘳𝘶𝘮𝘱𝘦𝘵 𝘸𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘴𝘰𝘶𝘯𝘥, 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘥𝘦𝘢𝘥 𝘸𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘣𝘦 𝘳𝘢𝘪𝘴𝘦𝘥 𝘪𝘮𝘱𝘦𝘳𝘪𝘴𝘩𝘢𝘣𝘭𝘦, 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘸𝘦 𝘸𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘣𝘦 𝘤𝘩𝘢𝘯𝘨𝘦𝘥." I have never heard of such an event happening so I am assuming this event is yet future, it is an event the Christian Church can look forward to. I know I look forward to that day whether I am alive and remain at the time, or dead and physically corrupted back into the soil, the idea of physical resurrection from death of this mortal body adds an eternal element to the life God has promised to all those who believe in his Son. That is how I read God's promises... how about you?

@sishrac

6 ай бұрын

True, but until that day when we shall all be changed, Christ will be judging and disciplining His church on earth as He said He would to the 7 churches. If we paid close attention and took Him seriously in those letters, we'd be revealed what He hates and loves about us who believe we are His church. Let those with ears, hear what the Spirit says to the churches!

@squirreljones3595

2 ай бұрын

The thousand year reign is promised to the saints that overcome the mark of the beast Revelation 7 14 white robes Revelation 20 4 thousand year reign The church doesn't get their resurrected body until judgement day John 6 39,40,44,54, Jesus says at the last day four times Paul was saying the church sleep's 1 Thessalonians 4 14 Jesus brings sleeping people with Him 1 Thessalonians 5 10 Whether WE wake or SLEEP 1 Corinthians 15 51 WE shall not all SLEEP Daniel 12 2 And many of them that SLEEP in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. It's all there in Revelation 20 The ten virgins story proves it too

@HeShallReign

16 күн бұрын

@@squirreljones3595 Those saints are saved Jews. The church up to this point has only been seen in Heaven from chapters 5-19. Also, those virgins you mentioned are waiting for the groom to return from the wedding with the bride. This is illustrated in Ps. 45:14. The 5 virgins are bridesmaids. The only church going through the "time of Jacob's trouble" is the false one that is left behind.

@squirreljones3595

16 күн бұрын

@@HeShallReign Revelation 7 9 martyrs for Jesus of ALL NATIONS after the mark of the beast Not Jews only Matthew 24 9 martyrs for Jesus of ALL NATIONS before the mark of the beast Persecution coming keep the faith Jesus is always truth

@squirreljones3595

16 күн бұрын

@@HeShallReign 1 Corinthians 15 Paul says the resurrection of the DEAD four times before verse 52 1 Corinthians 15 52 the DEAD are raised Revelation 20 5 But the rest of the DEAD lived not again until the thousand years have finished. This is the first resurrection. What part of Revelation 20 4 do you think is the church Revelation 7 14 white robes Revelation 2&3 Jesus says overcomth seven times Seven times Jesus says He that hath an ear let him hear