if you flip over the movement tray there are different sized squares on the other side

@ThePaintingCoach

6 ай бұрын

Well don't I feel stupid! Will pin your comment so others see it!

@davidpaterson2979

6 ай бұрын

Was coming to say this, though you're right because now you're going to have 30x30mm bases which don't have ready marked lines

@JJR_01

6 ай бұрын

Is the movement tray kit the same as it always was with 20mm squares on one side and 25mm on the other or have they updated it to be 25mm on one side and 30mm on the other? Sounds like the former from one of the comments but would be good to hear from someone who has one early - cheers!

@lonnyraye

6 ай бұрын

You want ranks, 18 is a 6 front by 3 deep (combat results). They have also okayed the use of rank filling dioramas to add in your tray. You can build a shrine on a 60 x 60 base and take 4 spaces of your formation up so 16 models can be a block of 20. They have a wheelbarrow spilling shields off of it taking 2 spaces for men at arms formation. This is going to be so much fun.

@ThePaintingCoach

6 ай бұрын

Same kit as always (I didn't realise there were bigger square on the other side 🤣) but they are 20mm and 25mm

Bretonnians are the best army, been collecting for around 17yrs. I can not wait to expand and double if not triple my army size

@ThePaintingCoach

6 ай бұрын

Awesome!

@raphg6319

6 ай бұрын

I think they miss a dragon in their roster

@spartangoonie

6 ай бұрын

@raphg6319 can always add one, I thought about the drake guard with knights as a unit. In my army I have little pockets of units that make up the army, one of the projects will be the drake guard as either a three kmight unit or five. Then there is other projects to do

I think the big box is good value. What scares me is all the extra characters, Grail Knights etc. When I did some quick arithmetic I was knocking on £570!!! That was based on 9 Grail Knights, New std Bearer, Hand Maiden, another unit of Pegasus Knights, all the books, cards and dice, Grail reliquary. I hadn't even taken into account the new foot Knights, new Enchantress or the trebuchet or undoubtedly need more kits of peasant cannon fodder. That killed my excitement and I'm not getting into this game which I'm very sad about. I loved the Bretonnian story and miniatures. But cannot justify this kind of money sink!!!

Bretonnian knights always stood out to me in white dwarf magazine in the late 90s

I look forward to the sequel. Have a great paint job. 🖌

@ThePaintingCoach

6 ай бұрын

Thanks!

They fed that Royal Pegasus equine growth hormone, for sure.

The old characters on pegasus were always larger then Pegasus knights.

Thanks for the in-depth review. Probably wont play this without any friends that play but might pick up just to paint when it comes back into stock

@ThePaintingCoach

6 ай бұрын

Glad you liked it

You could 3D print movement bases for the knights if you have a 3D printer. I'm going to look for something after this video.

Happy the old minis are back, the old world is just magnificant. Sad about them using the old used up molds and not improving them, some of those mold lines look absolutly atrocious

@martinjrgensen8234

6 ай бұрын

You can’t expect old models and new moulds. If they where to do new moulds they would do new minis

@dingus3725

6 ай бұрын

@@martinjrgensen8234Well they can still clean them/refurbish up. I'm pretty sure Heller (old french model kit company, declared bankruptcy, got revived) cleaned up some of their older moulds. The detail is still shit, and some of the parts are a little too chunky to be historically accurate, but the flash (mould lines) and overall cleanliness is improved.

Well the kits are better than back in the day. Trying to glue lead horse heads to plastic using plastic glue was a nightmare 😂😂😂

Can someone clarify for me. Does the rule book that comes with this set have ALL the available units in the Bretonnia roster? As well as all the other races? If not, which book do I need to buy that has all the units and points for each unit etc…

I started into the hobby over 30 years ago with a wood elf lord on giant eagle, so I'm pretty hyped to get painting some old school fantasy stuff again. I went for TKs, but I'm kinda wishing I got the Brettonia set as I love the new pegasi model. 😅

So u think they are going to release more is this is it? After this box they will never talk about old world anymore

Iirc the movement tray had two sides, one for 20mm and one for 25mm squares. Anyway doesn't matter too much as rhere plenty of alternative materials to make trays out of. Debating between plastic card or poster board

Could you use plasta card with the corner trays ? Might be easier then having to buy a saw and blades to cut threw those old templates!!

@ThePaintingCoach

6 ай бұрын

Yes you probably could!

The thing that killed this box for me was the old miniatures and the price. Super expensive here in Canada. Just gonna stick to 30K/40K.

@user-ds8rj2vc4v

6 ай бұрын

I think the price would have been fine if they were all new models. But they're not. At this price it matches the recent Leviathan boxset, with approximately the same amount of models and also the rulebook. The problem is that 100% of the Leviathan boxset was brand new, while this has literally 1 new model. A company the size of GW doesn't really have any excuse for it either. A few new sprues wouldn't have been that expensive realistically.

@Trinioutsider34

6 ай бұрын

@@user-ds8rj2vc4v That is exactly what I was expecting new models. I was excited for the return of The Old World. Hopefully, GW does do a range refresh on these miniatures then again I've been waiting for them to update the Grey Knights miniatures, so I won't be holding my breath.

@user-ds8rj2vc4v

6 ай бұрын

@@Trinioutsider34 As a collector of Grey Knights also, I share your pain (I also collect Eldar..). And I would understand them bringing back some old models. But the new boxsets should've been entirely new. I think a fair relaunch would've been; New core box, with all models in it completely new (new Pegasus knights, new knights of the realm, new peasant bowmen, new men at arms and new Royal Pegasus Duke). Then the other box sets; grail knights, trebuchet etc, all being old kits, I would understand. They can then refresh them in a future edition. But yeah, 1 new model in the box is kinda lame. And if I buy this boxset, and then in 2 years they replace all of those models, I'm going to feel like a fool.

What’s the scale of the horses vs the new AoS cavaliers?

@ThePaintingCoach

6 ай бұрын

Horses are slightly smaller

@xeniwargaming

6 ай бұрын

@@ThePaintingCoach only slightly? Wouldn’t notice on table top then? I guess the real question is now are the riders the same haha

@ThePaintingCoach

6 ай бұрын

Riders are a bit more squat - they are shorter in the torso than the CoS knights - and I think the heads are a little more disproportionate, too

Date on the sprues '2003' ? Vintage warhammer goes for a premium. Interesting to see they included old stock.

@ThePaintingCoach

6 ай бұрын

From what they have said the stock is fresh, just using the old moulds?

@CD-pm9kc

6 ай бұрын

@@ThePaintingCoach ahh interesting.

I think im out of touch because im not to much informed about Warhammer at the moment, but Bretonnian have not be wiped out of Warhammer classic after a copyright issue ?

@ThePaintingCoach

6 ай бұрын

GW blitzed the Old World and replaced it entirely with Age of Sigmar about 6 years ago - now they have relaunched The Old World with some of the original races/factions

@WestCoastChomeur

6 ай бұрын

@@ThePaintingCoach Oh okay, i never really liked this age of sigmar thing, but if the Bretonnians are once again an official faction its really nice!

@ThePaintingCoach

6 ай бұрын

They are!

I wrote on someone else's KZread video that I thought this was quite expensive, but now I realize that these figures look so brutally beautiful!! I want these figures now so you can sit and build and paint! =) I will buy whole boxes for - Bretonia, High Elevs, Goblins, Dark elvs, Dwarf, Choas

@ThePaintingCoach

6 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed the video!

@UltraRealTrueJesus

6 ай бұрын

they aren't that expensive p/m per $. theyrun cheaper than an equivalent AOS unit which have 10or 20 man units. doubt the basic regular infantry boxes will cost (unless doubled up like AOS does) around regular equivalent currency (for me AUD) for say $100or $50 etc. per model it'drun at less than $1 per infantry. AoS is about $2-$4 per model. sure you may need more, but in the starter faction it runs even cheaper still. and if can get itever from 3rd parties, then 20-50% off. so potentially cheapest specialist game GW ever made.

I can't wait for the 20th to start my 6 month journey into pain and suffering like i did with my skavens.

Hell. Ya it is!

It's troubling that they didn't get behind revamping at least most of the core units. This tells me that GW might not be fully behind the idea of Warhammer Fantasy returning. I really wanted to get into it but having been introduced to the hobby with the new 40k sculpts I just don't feel like it...

@ThePaintingCoach

6 ай бұрын

Hopefully the popularity will be a shot in the arm for more new sculpts!

Do You gonna make some painting tutorial for HE ? :D

@ThePaintingCoach

6 ай бұрын

High Elves? Absolutely!

@kasprzyk89

6 ай бұрын

🥰@@ThePaintingCoach

I’ve been buying minis from a company called highland miniatures for the last few years who make the absolute best warhammer fantasy proxies. They’re better than anything GW ever put out and are a fraction of the price. Their ‘bretonnian’ range also look more bretonnian than anything in this box.

@Modge17

6 ай бұрын

I was looking at those last night they look great! Don’t suppose you know if they scale well to say 15mm?

@watts18269

6 ай бұрын

@@Modge17I’m honestly not sure sorry mate. But judging by the detail on the 28mm stuff I have, I reckon it’d be pretty great quality as well

@robmcmurrough1897

6 ай бұрын

​@@watts18269 I was looking at these but on the Ebay description it was saying 32mm??? Do you need to specify that you want 28mm?

I own both TK & Bren army 20 year back, i have love with them. But im not paying this price & get a lesser model.

In lore Royal pegasus is bigger Not sure its that big but it looks great

The Bretonnian range still holds up somewhat. Not so much some of the other ranges. The Tk and HE in particular look their age, and not in a good way

@KiyokaMakibi

6 ай бұрын

Agreed. The skeletal horses just look so bad…

If you get your hands on the tomb kings I’d love a video on those 🙏☺️

@ThePaintingCoach

6 ай бұрын

I probably won't I'm afraid! Check out Stahly at Tale of Painters - he has done a TK review!

@02SamJ

6 ай бұрын

@@ThePaintingCoach no worries pal cheers for that will check them out 🙏🙂

I'm a simple person: I like all Warhammer miniatures without exception. Another question however: aesthetically I don’t like square bases, since the angles distract too much attention from the model itself. It’s good that there is Age of Sigmar, simply because there is an alternative to which bases to use!

👍👍

Short answer: yes. It's cheaper than 2 battalion boxes from 2004 when adjusted for inflation.

Micheal Perry miniatures are the best 🙌 not computer generated.

You don’t need movement trays for 6 cavalry dudes. Just move the minis

From what I can tell this is Games Workshop’s way of getting rid of unsold model stores from 2003.

Can you show us your NDA?

Where Painting tutorial?

@ThePaintingCoach

6 ай бұрын

I haven't had chance to do it yet 🤣

@bysigmar3819

6 ай бұрын

@@ThePaintingCoach Like everyone it seems 🤣 Noone did Bretonnia everyone did Khemri.

@ThePaintingCoach

6 ай бұрын

I have started filming 👍🏻

Great video. There is no way these 20yr old figures are worth modern prices

Of course it is, you got it for free

@spartangoonie

6 ай бұрын

I have noticed a fair few people who are "influencers" and play 40k have jumped on the band wagon of the old world probably just to get free stuff.

@UltraRealTrueJesus

6 ай бұрын

sure, if we ignore a LOT of these so called influencersas you called them, also do(n't) appear at events from time to time and since they happen to have a community built of their own, it is easy and cheap marketing/advertising via word of mouth so giving a box away or a dozen, really is far from getting on a bandwagon. @@spartangoonie

@TheTommyFrench

6 ай бұрын

@@spartangoonie I see your comment alongside the original comment and I have so many questions about your position. Is the criticism that it’s not specifically 40K content? Or that he got it for free? If he got 40K models for free, would you be critical of that as well? Why the quotes around the word Influencer? Is there a difference between an Influencer and an “Influencer”? If so, what is the difference? Regarding Old World specifically, is it that you lack interest in the game/ models/ setting, or you wish that less content revolved around GW’s model release cycle? Regarding free stuff, do you dislike the idea of gifts in general, to the point where you would reject a free copy of the Old World starter boxes out of hand? Or is it more you suspect an unspoken quid pro quo in cases of a review copy?

GW must be laughing. Old models at new prices

@shauntaylor9251

6 ай бұрын

And sold out on their website with very little stock going out ti third party retailers

I think they did the "Upgrade" to larger base size is to be able to have redone model sthat are a bit bigger down the road if Old world takes off. Also it allows you to use 25mm circle bases and place them on movement trays with a holder in it to use your converted AoS models in old world rank and file. which is kind of neat. IMO its almost not worth using the square bases for anything that converts to AoS so you can still use for either game. I'm kind of excited about this and might get back to work on my vampire counts army (yes I know they wont have official rules) that was converted from elves. as well as I will start a high elf army when they release, as well as eventually get some dark elves again, which was my first army in Fantasy battles.

people saying it is expensive failto realize that (least by old standards for WHFB) these boxes are literal armies in a box. but those who say these are expensive gladly pay CP or equivalent for AOS entry level, and get like 12 or so models for 1/2-2/3 the cost of these. yep. more money, for less plastic fine. more money (at first glance) up front = too expensive. in AUD (Australia) the box is broken down as around a free rulebook, a $120 character (pegasus) a large unit of knights ($35 each or $70 est for all) five units broken down into pilgrim/archers around $250. or $50 per box (around similar at time they were squatted). this leaves the rest of the templates, the mini non army book, the dice, and such to cost around the remainder, so around 30-50$. compare to AOS and 40k: prices are (akin) to older entry points to WHFB. possibly about up to 25% (to cover inflation etc) more expensive. but old sculpts a turn off for some, and such, it is actually cheaper by model per dollar, than other games GW produces. and this is to overcome the hesitation some may have moving on this game. I care not for the game though. just kitbashes. and this game offers me kits I have since run dry from my bits box.

Considering that they sold out of the online allocation of pre-orders by 1100 in the morning, I am going to say - yes.

@martinjrgensen8234

6 ай бұрын

That has more to do with GW not making nearly enough going by all the angry people who couldn’t get any

So was it worth it?

@ThePaintingCoach

6 ай бұрын

For me yes - I would have bought one if GW hadn't sent it to me

So lame the box sets don’t come with movement trays

doesn't matter if it's worth it if you cant buy any

Simple answer. Yes

Worth it? No. When has anything GW been "worth it"?

Short answer.... No absolutely not

@legiox217

6 ай бұрын

Because price or how old the minis are or both ?

@Killerzerg117

6 ай бұрын

I disagree with your assessment.

@pablocamargo8744

6 ай бұрын

@@legiox217 because it is GW, so f them. I can get the old minis cheaper.

@JanitorScruffy

6 ай бұрын

@@legiox217 Both for me, I was interested in Fantasy because of Total War, not nostalgia. So I am only interested in new models, especially as GW thinks Models older than some players, are worth the price of their already excessively priced new 40k models. Hope the Fantasy Battles guys get what they want out of this, but I think this game is really for them and not new people.

@TheDeathlivesuk

6 ай бұрын

​@JanitorScruffy im an old fantasy player, loved that total war has kept the love going. But for models older than myself with the price tags with them. Just flat out nope. Not worth it. You can buy 3d printed models for half the price

f no! None of this garbage is worth it. GW have put zero effort into revisiting this horrid game and its archaic models... the prices are absolutely insane and i hope it fails real hard.