Absolutely still worth. Easily Top 3 underrated guns. P10 Gang or Dont Bang! 🔥

@TheChocolateChamp

28 күн бұрын

Lol what are the other two? I def want to get one of these.

I have the same built but with the stock trigger and no magwell, love it 2k + rounds and counting. Greetings from Poland

@GruntyCaveman

5 ай бұрын

Nice!

@asaroth7295

3 ай бұрын

Jaka masz kabure do czki? Szukam wlasnie czegos ciekawego. Mam na mysli zewnatrzba.

@mateuszwyrwas5881

3 ай бұрын

@@asaroth7295polecam Doubletap lub GR kydex

I have 4 P10s. 2 Cs one with an optic and S and the F. All of them are exceptional and very reliable. My EDC is the C with Irons and I never leave the house without it. The best trigger upgrade is the Apex..hands down a great trigger, it’s a rolling trigger so it does take sometime to get familiar with that system. To you point the last P10 I purchased did have the issue with the defensive ammo getting stuck on the feed ramp, it did work itself out but that was an issue so good mention. I love the platform and highly recommended the P10. I also love my Shadow 2 , SP01 and the gun I think is the most underrated is the P07!!! What a nail driver

@GruntyCaveman

4 ай бұрын

You have seven CZ's and you're watching a CZ video? You may need counseling 😁

@Joeysteaks

4 ай бұрын

@@GruntyCaveman I was on a plane for 5 hours .. lol

3500 rounds so far in my P10s, zero failures

The P 10C is one of my carry weapons six months out of the year and the other being the P01 the other six months. Three years now for both and not looking to change.

@GruntyCaveman

5 ай бұрын

I loved my P-01 too. Just curious. What goes into your decision making for that seasonal change, given that the sizes of them are so similar?

@AllanGregoire

5 ай бұрын

@@GruntyCaveman The P01 and the holster is not as thin as the P10C. Further, with the P01 in the decocked position (during fall and winter months) I'm wearing an undershirt which is a barrier to prevent all the skin flakes, body hair, etc (I know gross) from getting down into that space where the hammer is. Makes sense for me and works for me. That was a great question by the way.

@GruntyCaveman

5 ай бұрын

@@AllanGregoire Ok, that makes gross sense 😁. I figured it would be the opposite, with the P10C's larger trigger guard allowing more room for winter gloves. Thanks for the reply.

@AllanGregoire

5 ай бұрын

@@GruntyCaveman yeah the profile of the P01 holster sticks out a little more so that's my rationale. Plus, where I live winter gloves are rarely needed.

@sxrry.8206

4 ай бұрын

Solid rotation, cant get much better than this right here

As soon as I shot the P10C I new it was the one. Shot it better right out of the box better than any pistol EVER and I have tried everything. Now most of my pistols are CZ. P10C, S, P07, P09 and a P01. Still for some reason the 10C I shoot better than any. No idea why but glad I tried it.

@GruntyCaveman

4 ай бұрын

What the heck? Only one of each model? Fear of commitment 😁

@toynazi

4 ай бұрын

@GruntyCaveman I never said that haha. I have one of the original p10c's with ambi mag release. Then the newer one with a swappable mag release. 🤣 I have a sickness 🥴

@J.Young808

3 ай бұрын

I also shot my P-10 F/C better than my Glocks.

I just bought the P10C as my first gun last week...love it!

@GruntyCaveman

4 ай бұрын

Congrats! You only need one gun anyway. Well, maybe just two. Ok three…

@aaronred345

2 ай бұрын

@@GruntyCaveman Might as well get a fourth while you're there.

@edwardbennett6479

2 ай бұрын

Enjoy brother.

@melk333

2 ай бұрын

got mine too damn near took me a month to get in my hands though lol. I originally wasnt even looking at CZ for my first gun because I wanted something that could do it all. EDC, fun on the range, you get the point. Dude at the store insisted I try it and it stuck. Went home did some research bought it a day later. Now im going down the rabbit hole and looking for a fun 22. Prob the tippman ar22 and throw a can on it since the turn around times are so good right now.

@GruntyCaveman

2 ай бұрын

@@melk333 An expensive rabbit hole. We should just start collecting glass bunny figurines instead. A much cheaper hobby.

This gun is my EDC and has been for years. A great gun. I would put it up against any other hand gun. This gun is miles better than any Glock

@GruntyCaveman

9 күн бұрын

The internals are beefy as hell, so it'll likely outlast a lot of new guns that are hitting the market.

Great firearm - and the prices are lower as of today at Grab A Gun - under $380.00

@demunbell

5 ай бұрын

See "CZ P10c OR SR" IT HAS EVERYTHING!!

@MattyRox

5 ай бұрын

Where?

@JamesGA308

5 ай бұрын

Yep got the optics ready for 385

@jerrodbates8480

5 ай бұрын

​@@MattyRox Seen em online sub $300 Deals.gun lists a bunch of stores by price

@brianc0019

4 ай бұрын

@@MattyRox grabagun

This pistol is my everyday carry for the last 4 years ... like a custom modded Glock only better. Mine has seen some action over the years and always came out on top. I do have other options for range days ... yet this is still my trusted love.

@damiion666

5 ай бұрын

You busted sum caps in sum fools? Nice

I have an Apex slide stop and it sticks out one quarter of an inch if that. No where near 1/2" . I love mine. It's a vast improvement and is not at all in the way. It's perfect. The stock one is so flat it's very difficult to manipulate. Get the Apex slide stop. You'll love it,

@GruntyCaveman

Ай бұрын

I'm glad it works well for you. I had one and it just didn't work for me. Too bulbous and it compounded the high grip issues.

@chewinbubblegum2695

Ай бұрын

The Apex slide stop is the best out of the box upgrade for the P-10 series. I have one on my P-10C & the extended version on my P-10F. Makes manipulating the lever so much more ergonomic. No issues to speak of. I do love them.

@UrGodIsDead

29 күн бұрын

@jakescrib9971 do you have the Apex ENHANCED Slide Release (PN 116-126) or the Apex EXTENDED Slide Release (PN 116-127)? @chewinbubblegum2695 I assume you're running the Enhanced on your P-10C since you specifically called out "Extended" on your P-10F?

Loved how you were honest about the gear as well as the gun. I have a P10c that was made in 2021and it had the same problem with chambering a round. When it was able to chamber a round, it would cause abnormal setback. I polished the feed ramp and it's been working fine. Really enjoyed the content! Subscribed.

@GruntyCaveman

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, it sounds like the feeding issues have been going on for a while. Not a difficult fix, but it sucks that they’re not addressing the issue. Other than that, the gun has been awesome.

I got my P10C OR for $368.00 a few months ago. Unbelievable gun for the price.

@charliej8104

3 ай бұрын

Online?

@HabibFromTelAviv

16 күн бұрын

@@charliej8104got a scheels near you?

Hoping to get one this year. Shot around 200 rounds with this one and I love it!

@GruntyCaveman

6 ай бұрын

They are hard to resist at that price point. Happy pewing.

@JoeSmith-fu9yx

6 ай бұрын

Kygunco has them at $317 shipped, I grabbed two for me and my daughter.

@GruntyCaveman

6 ай бұрын

@@JoeSmith-fu9yx Damn, that's cheaper than a Taurus G4. A smokin' deal.

For the last comment... as long as your not premoniting nonsense on you firearms or anything illegal then if any courts charge a person for that ,then the court is corrupt... but which court isn't...I just wanted to say my cz p10 c had the feeding problem only with hollows and I just ran about 200 fmj's and it was good... if it wouldn't have fixed it I would have polished the ramp... I'm new to firearms like real new but with the internet we can learn so much in so little time... also like to say i contacted cz twice and its been about 3 months and still no answer....good vid

@TheGV50

3 ай бұрын

CZ USA Customer Service SUCKS! That's one of the reasons CZ Is In trouble. Czech LE and Military Sp Ops Units Use Glock 17 pistols, that Is a fact!

Yup...worth it. Picked my P 10 C up for $334 in July 2023. Wow...could not believe the level of quality...phenomenal. Would buy another CZ in a heartbeat. Fits my Glock 19 holster, too! Like all my pistols, I replaced the guide pin/rod with a stainless steel one. I usually polish my feed ramps with a Dremel, buffing tool and some chrome polish...looks good and helps rounds to feed even more smoothly.

@GruntyCaveman

2 ай бұрын

What the heck. Yours didn't already come with the factory steel guide rod?

I've had zero failures to feed with any ammo in my P10C. It's disappointing that CZ didn't respond to your concerns. Still, it's a great pistol at a good price. A few examples with minor issues is unavoidable.

@GruntyCaveman

4 ай бұрын

I agree, some manufacturing defects are inevitable and no manufacturer is perfect. How they handle the issues is what matters most. To hang customers out to dry is unacceptable.

I was considering the Anarchy outdoors magwell, glad I saw this lol.

Great contrast! Thanks. I fully agree on those optic adapter plates - I think they're the pits - such little support for such an important component. The optics and gun manufacturers should just work together for a standard direct, flush and co-witnessing fitment and get done. It will eliminate all those extra plates and screws.

@GruntyCaveman

2 ай бұрын

If they do that, how are they going to make money selling their adapter plates, that don't come with the gun and are eternally out of stock? 😂

My CZ goes bang every time. Couldn’t complain about it at all.

I own 15 cz firearms and the 2 i had issues with were fixed immediately.

@GruntyCaveman

4 ай бұрын

I’m jealous. How long ago was your last warranty claim?

@ejohnson7062

4 ай бұрын

@@GruntyCaveman about 1 1/2 years ago.

@GruntyCaveman

4 ай бұрын

@@ejohnson7062 Thanks. I was curious if that support was received before or after the Colt deal. Sounds like it was right after.

Awesome video 👍🏼👍🏼 been daily carrying the CZ P-07 had it send off to JagerWerks for a SRO cut and some other slide work and Glock rear dovetail.

@GruntyCaveman

3 ай бұрын

Sweet! Lemme know how it goes. I'm trying to decide between Jagerwerks and NC Engravers for my slide work.

I own and love my P10C and P10S. Haven’t had any problems with them and am looking forward to getting the P10F OR version. I still want a P07 if I can find one in my area

@GruntyCaveman

3 ай бұрын

Something I wish I had done was purchase the non-optic version and then have it milled for an RMR. Direct mount, no adapter plate, and the optic sits lower. Just something to consider since you already have a herd of CZs to use while you wait for the slide work to be completed.

I got my CZ P10C 1 year ago for $340 and I love it.

I lost count of how many rounds I have in mine after 4000. I should be i well in to the 6000s by now, never had an issue with it, only faulty ammo with bad primers. Countless IDPA mataches and IPSC also. It is a very reliable gun.

Have it. It's a great gun

Checkout the spraying in the sky behind you , wow someone got in some overtime hours on that spray job !

@GruntyCaveman

5 ай бұрын

They're seeding the clouds with poison mind control drugs. "They" being the fake robot drone birds. #BirdsAren'tReal 😁

Yes! I noticed if you baby the slide forward it hangs up on JHP. I always hand rack from the back so it never occurred to me until others used it and rode the slide forward. Ive shot loads of JHP and the force of the slide on its own is fine, if you release it from being fully rearward its fine, but if theres anything less than 100% sending the slide home it can hang on the JHP case.

@GruntyCaveman

5 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, I’m not the only one reporting the failures to feed. It happens with ball and hollow points, using the slide release from slide lock, and with a forcefully slingshot.

@andershilmo1866

5 ай бұрын

That’s interesting I have a 2019 model year. Over 2500 rounds through it, haven’t come across that issue. Neither has the other 3 with people a p10c I personally know. Anything can happen. I have seen that issue several times with a gen 3 Glock. And a couple micro compacts. Mine is great wouldnt go back to a stock Glock. Did carry a clone for a while it was great. With the overwatch precision triggerthe p10 series are great makes a good trigger even better trigger. A couple ticks off from the pdp pro sd. I can see that people want more companies making parts Glock is the way to go. Unless you buy a custom lower though you end up with the Glock grip angle which many don’t like. With Glock there is more parts available but I personally feel they actually need a lot more than many other guns so you end up spending the same or even much more to get similar features IMO.

@GruntyCaveman

5 ай бұрын

@@andershilmo1866I'm just glad the problem was something I could easily fix. If it hadn't been easy, I would be stuck with a non-functioning gun with no warranty support from CZ. Now that it's working, I'm pretty stoked and love the gun.

@blackstarbucks

Ай бұрын

Had the same issue with mine but only with the ammo inc jhc. Out of the two boxes I bought only a few rounds had that issue but they fed through just fine but some rounds wouldn't press check well either almost got caught up. Over time I noticed the rounds were getting pushed into the casing from the constant unloading and reloading my cc Changed ammo altogether and haven't had any issue since. My p10c chews everything it's given however as long as it's not babied. The ammo inc feed through fine at the range no malfunctions but it clearly wasn't a fan

@cluckbent6466

Ай бұрын

It hangs up even with a slingshot?!? If that’s the case I’ll get an M&p 2.0.

Have 4 of them, one is used for basic pistol trainings for beginners and has done over a dozen k rounds. Shoots the shtiest ammo and I never ever cleaned it just of pure curiosity when it breaks. It was less than 400$ so I don't care. Works perfect so far, no jams whatsoever :D

The trigger shoe sometimes hits the cutout in the grip, messing up your trigger pull. Known issue.

@GruntyCaveman

3 ай бұрын

My OEM trigger didn't rub, but the Killer innovations did, ever so slightly. A little sandpaper and polish around the opening did the trick.

Good revisit, I prefer my p10f just shoots better for me and fits my hands better, im alot faster with it. 🤷‍♂ Its been 1/2 of my winter EDC, unbelievable value for what ya pay when theyre on sale. 💪

Stock P10C is hard to beat. And I would expect Glock to have greater aftermarket support given it's been out over 3 decades... This is a quality gun for under 400.

@DeathmetalPersian

2 ай бұрын

For real what kind of logic is "new item should have more support". Of course glock is going to have more support when they have sold the same design for 30 years lol. dude confused me with that one. frankly nobody needs a flared magwell that isn't shooting comp, and having 1000 color options for back plates and triggers isn't a big deal. IMHO this gun is without a doubt a better glock in almost every way.

Bought one on 12/9/23 and had to return it to CZ USA the same day. Wouldn't reliable feed anything and the spring on the firing pin block was defective. CZ did fix my firearm, but turn around was five weeks. Will not trust it for EDC. It's a defensive gun not competition, most don't come with a extended magazine well and wouldn't be ideal for EDC because printing. Do I think some of these pistols have a slight flared out mag well? Yes

@GruntyCaveman

5 ай бұрын

Damn. That’s scary. Was the block still engaged even with the bad spring, or nothing preventing the striker from moving forward other than seer engagement.

I love my cz p10 c and f!

thanks for the review......as I was contemplating buying it because the price recently dropped. Now I wonder if they dropped the price because they want to get rid of old stock, for something new, or maybe this model will be discontinued?

@GruntyCaveman

5 ай бұрын

I wouldn’t be concerned about those two reasons. I am concerned about the disappearance of their customer support and CZ’s chances of survival as a company.

@byronh77

5 ай бұрын

@@GruntyCaveman I took the plunge, so we’ll see.

@agjios

5 ай бұрын

@@GruntyCaveman I can't imagine the chance of CZ Colt surviving as a company being that low that we would need to worry about it.

@GruntyCaveman

5 ай бұрын

@@agjios I hope you’re right, but there are a lot of unsettling signs.

@agjios

5 ай бұрын

@@GruntyCaveman I think there's just a lot of hype in the polymer pistol market with Canik being cheap but duty ready, Palmetto releasing their pistols, and other similar stories. So CZ seems to be using price to keep their pistols relevant. I am even seeing many HK VP9 and VP9SK for $300-$400 off and there is a factory incentive to get 4 free magazines. It's a good time to be a pistol enthusiast.

4:38 not sure if you will mention this, my 10F & C slides are interchangeable since I bought my Czech guns in 2018/9 and Glock just caught up with the 47 or 49 in 2023/4. I put HB Industries triggers in my 10F and 10c Tactical, my 10C is all stock as my carry, I might send out my 10C Tactical slide to be cut for a carry dot since I mounted a Norsso Reptilian slide on my Tactical to mount a dot.

I have the S, C, and F... All of them shoot great.

@GruntyCaveman

4 ай бұрын

That's what I'm talking about. Carrying one in appendix, one strong side, and one ankle carry. 3 is fun, two is none. How many rifles do you carry simultaneously? 😬

One of my favorite gun beside M&P m2

Silly to spend extra for a CZ, Sig 365 or SA Hellcat if you are in California or any other state that limits mags to 10 round. For 60% of the cost you can buy a Shield or Kahr CW9 with 7 or 8 round mag.

@GruntyCaveman

4 ай бұрын

Keep in mind that magazine capacity is different than performance, muzzle rise and recoil impulse. Shoot the Kahr, Shield and the P10C with a 10 round mag back-to-back and you’ll quickly understand the benefits.

@EB-nz1qv

4 ай бұрын

Silly to live in California.

I have the p10f. I absolutley love it but its a bit large to carry. It shoots flat pushing the recoil into the shoulders. I put a holosun 407c on it and there isnt a large space. The k optic is more suited for micro sized handguns

@GruntyCaveman

5 ай бұрын

Yep, the P10F is a tall boy. The grip length on the P10C is Glock 17 sized, and that’s the absolute max for me to conceal. For the red dot, my larger RMR footprint optics are currently saddled on other guns, so I had to temporarily make do with the smaller 507K.

Inexpensive, great trigger, excellent ergonomics.. what more do you need??

@GruntyCaveman

5 ай бұрын

Bacon. Because, America.

Considering there 3-350 now yeah ...seems like a solid choice

Should check out the x macro. Concealable, easy to shoot, very flat and best in class mag capacity.

@GruntyCaveman

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, I have the P365 XL and the X Macro. Pretty nice shooting for their size, but the grips are tiny, made for Girl Scouts. In an upcoming video I’ll be doing some custom grip mods to make the X Macro suitable for grown man sized hands.

Great video. I popped my cz cherry with the P07 SR urban grey and fell in love. I think cz p10sc will be my next build. Its basically a p10C frame with a p10F slide. Unsure if i want to do a roland special using a p10c slide and comp or get the slide a barrell ported by floyds customs. Either way i love the fact that both can share mags with each other. New subscriber here

@GruntyCaveman

4 ай бұрын

Hey Panther. That sounds like a great setup. I prefer porting over comps. I also run a red dot, so I bought the optic ready version. In hindsight, I should have bought a non-optic ready version and have it milled for an RMR so it would be direct-mount, rather than requiring an adapter plate. Best of luck with your build.

@ncpanther

4 ай бұрын

@@GruntyCaveman definitely appreciate it. Will give some updates potentially once I get one and the build going. I'm a big fan of direct milling also but there is quality metal plates out that can make things robust.

Great review man!!!! I shot a lot of Colts growing up,cuz my dad shot 45ACP in competition.I just got back into shooting,and was wondering why Colt wasn’t really a thing anymore,and I found out Cz bought them,so I have been looking into Cz,and they seem like they make amazing guns.I plain on getting me one here in the near future.Also I think there are many guns that are better than a Glock out the box.I feel Glock is overrated…

Very good review, I don't own a CZ p10 yet, but I'm thinking about buying one. Unfortunately, I keep hearing about minor problems with this CZ P 10 model. Glock is not an option for me because I don't like the grip angle, which is crucial for hitting the target. Sorry for my poor English

@GruntyCaveman

5 ай бұрын

Same thing for me, I don't like the Glock grip angle either. In hindsight, I should have bought a Shadow Systems MR 920. Normal grip angle, and already includes all the upgrades you'd normally do to a Glock to modernize it.

@dawwlo

4 ай бұрын

Grip angle is just another bs guntubers are selling... If you have one edc weapon, as you should, you'll learn how to make a deadly weapon out of it, regardless of any potential design flaw. If something fits your hand, that does not imply you'll shoot it like a pro. I shoot faster, flater and more precise my unmodified 19x, then any gun on the market, including my only edc, p10s... Why? I've run tousend of rounds through 19x, but the thing is to big for an edc option. Also to note, there is no difference in the feel of both, or to name the one grip uncomfrontable to shoot. Finally, IMHO, grip on p10 is a bit small for my hands, and backstraps only fill the hand, not the trigger reach. That said, M hands should go for p10, while L or larger for Smith or Glock.

@GruntyCaveman

4 ай бұрын

@@dawwloI have to disagree that grip angle is BS. If you're accustomed to handguns with a normal grip angle and then try a Glock, you absolutely have to alter your natural point of aim. Yes, you can train and adapt, but it doesn't change the fact that grip angle does change things. Same goes for if you carry and train with a Glock, you must alter your presentation for standard grip angle guns. In all stressful and competitive situations, you rise to the level of your training. As you eluded to, master your carry gun, whatever it is. Thanks for your comment.

@dawwlo

4 ай бұрын

@@GruntyCaveman Honestly, I do run a cut medium backstrap on 19x, so this may be the reason for a "more" natural aiming than on a regular glock, and for no hump to press your hand.

@ejohnson7062

4 ай бұрын

​@@dawwlogrip angle is def a thing. Why buy a glock, if the grip angle is a problem, when u can buy another gun that's just as reliable with a grip angle that suites u? Stop trying to justify buying your glock instead of a cz 😅

Debating on getting a P10C, currently have a CZ 75C.

@GruntyCaveman

3 ай бұрын

If you can find a range to rent one, I definitely recommend doing so before buying. The CZ 75 platform has soul, and the P10C is just another striker fired polymer 9mm. A nice one, but somewhat bland. If that matters to you.

@andylastname566

3 ай бұрын

​@@GruntyCaveman one issue is 75C have some heft to it and I'm more on the lightweight side, though it fits my hands very well and very accurate gun.

@GruntyCaveman

3 ай бұрын

@@andylastname566 The 75 is definitely heftier and thicker. Just run plastic snap caps so you don't have to lug around all that heavy lead...

@andylastname566

3 ай бұрын

​@@GruntyCaveman......🤔

Want to love this gun, but 2 of mine the mags really drag when I hit the mag release. Let it be 32 or below and the mags will only drop 3'8 of an inch. Those are the US made ones. Not an issue with the CZech made ones. I have attemted to polish the insides of the magazine area but it dosen't help.

@GruntyCaveman

4 ай бұрын

I see your problem. You live where it gets below freezing 😁

You wear that holster 14 hours a day? Sheesh that’s savage haha I never really cared for the sidecar style I’ve been carrying light optic eqipped p365 macro without comp in a Haley strategic incog lately and it accommodates a mag holster off to the side but I much prefer a single mag pouch around my 8 o’clock and I’ve found it prints much less and is much more comfortable than having the mag in the way, then again I’m carrying stuff and bending over all day and have to have my shirt tucked in sometimes so I like having as little in front of my stomach as possible cuz it’s in my way, just an input no shade being thrown or anything ! Thinking about picking up a cz lately cuz of the price!

@GruntyCaveman

3 ай бұрын

Haha, yep, long hours. I do start to feel it around the 13 hour mark, but not bad. It’s worth the trade off compared to a tiny gun that I can’t shoot worth a damn.

@user-og5ff4rj7c

2 ай бұрын

Yeah that is longggg asss hours my friend haha that’s how we afford the guns though right? Haha and kids …… insurance……. Wife ….. house …. Damn now I’m upsetting myself 😂😂

I’m reluctant to buy anything CZ, they discontinued a ton of firearms and seem to be having problems as a company.

@GruntyCaveman

6 ай бұрын

I think you have valid concerns. It’s sad, because they’ve cranked out some amazing firearms over the years.

@garyjustgary5059

5 ай бұрын

For sure! The Shadow 2 compact is awesome as is the full size.

@red2977

4 ай бұрын

What problems is the company having? Seems like they are selling a lot of firearms.

I own one from the first year it came to the us. Thought I’d work my way apart from Glock. It truly is a great firearm, but everything around it for support stinks. Not all - but so much more has now steered me back and I’m going to get a Gen 5 mos 19 soon. My favorite I love to shoot is the Steyr M9-A1 - but to carry- again aftermarket support.

@GruntyCaveman

4 ай бұрын

Yep, aftermarket support really sucks.

Yes, Absolutely worth it, hands down one of the best kept secrets from Glock fanboys............and recently they've been on sale on many websites. So I was able to get an optics ready version and a P10F optics ready version. Only downside, is there are only a few companies that make holsters for them, but I've been able to get them to fit in a couple of Glock compatible holsters, your mileage may vary.

I love the color combo of the elite holster, how do you like the side car? I have their xiphos holster? I run a Glock 48 and been looking into the side car holster but hesitant with the added weight and it just being more upfront to carry

@GruntyCaveman

5 ай бұрын

I've been running sidecars for years, but even when I first started carrying them, I found them to be more comfortable that just a pistol holster. I think because it spreads the body contact area over a larger surface. The added weight doesn't bother me all that much. With the thinner, lighter G48, it shouldn't be bad at all. Coincidentally, I did just order a Xiphos for the P10C for the upcoming summer season. Figured I try one out for lighter clothing. I haven't received it yet, so we'll see.

Updates to this line supposedly coming in July

at some time later this year they are getting ready to introduce new P10c gen 2

@americanguy87

5 ай бұрын

Ohhh? I'm listening.

@GruntyCaveman

5 ай бұрын

Interesting. I've vowed to never again buy the first generation of any new gun. Manufacturers rarely get it right on the first release, and they let the customers find the defects, rather than spending money on R&D. That being said, my list of demands are: Direct-mount RMR footprint. Grip texture all the way up, where it should be. A factory magwell option, in concealed carry size- The XMacro Tac Ops magwell is a perfect example. Replaceable backstraps that go all the way up under the beavertail, so they don't alter the grip angle. A functional slide stop/slide release. Better slide serrations. A slightly slimmer design while retaining 15 round capacity. In fact, the above list should be mandatory for all manufacturers. There's really no excuse not to have all of these things in today's market.

@ronolson2024

4 ай бұрын

You mean Gen 3. I bought the Gen 1 which had the ambi mag release. 2nd Gen has the switchable mag release. They also did changes to the trigger, backplate, & grip module.

well done.

@GruntyCaveman

6 ай бұрын

I think it was medium rare, but I hope to someday achieve well done :)

I bought two of them

@GruntyCaveman

5 ай бұрын

I guess you’re now required to change your username :)

@Precocktrigger

5 ай бұрын

@@GruntyCaveman 😂 nope

As an attorney who has defended many clients involved in shootings, you are nuts if you modify your EDC. Do some reading on the topic of modifying firearms used for self-defense and you will understand where I am coming from. Therefore, your modifications to a great firearm might come back to bite you in the a** as this firearm is perfect for EDC out of the box. For all you 2A EDC people, remember: never modify your EDC and stay away from colored frames, and ammo like DOA and the such. I recommend Hornady Critical Defense as the name in it of itself is an asset plus it is made for short barreled EDC guns. You will thank me if you ever find yourself on trial in one of those blue states.

@GruntyCaveman

5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the feedback. I’ve heard both sides of that argument from attorneys. Some who say modifications aren’t a factor in outcomes, and some who say you’ll hang if your EDC is modified in any way. It would be interesting to see case studies and juror statements. As for Hornady Critical Defense ammo, check out my other video to see why you shouldn’t run that garbage in any semiautomatic firearm.

@Angela1991ish

2 ай бұрын

@@GruntyCaveman Wrong again on the ammo. But, I am not going to argue with someone who thinks modifying an EDC is the way to go. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

@GruntyCaveman

2 ай бұрын

Lol. So an aftermarket trigger is the devil, but you’re ok with ammo that has severe setback the first time it’s chambered? That’s ok, we all have different priorities.

@mattrobinson1803

2 ай бұрын

Highly disagree. I was in a shooting and my gun was “modified” red dot, different game color and light. Not a single issue at all. Took 11 months to get it back due to investigation and blah blah. Again, not a single issue with how my carry is setup. I don’t know what state you work but sounds like its a bunch of fluff

@user-og5ff4rj7c

2 ай бұрын

@@GruntyCavemanTHANK YOU CRITICAL DEFENSE SUUUUUUCKKKKKSSSS federal anything or maybe gold dot although I haven’t been much a fan lately of gold dot, been carryin underwoods +p+ hollow points

What optics plate and holosun model are you using?

@GruntyCaveman

2 ай бұрын

It’s from CZ Customs, but I’m not a fan of it. It has no spacers to take up the gaps front and rear, so all of the recoil stress goes directly to the mounting screws. If I were to do it over again, I would buy the non-optic version of the gun and then have the slide milled for direct RMR footprint mounting.the optic that was in there at the time was a Holosun 507K.

What kind of optic plate do you have On the Cz?

@GruntyCaveman

5 ай бұрын

It’s from CZ Customs, but I’m not a fan of it. It has no spacers to take up the gaps front and rear, so all of the recoil stress goes directly to the mounting screws. If I were to do it over again, I would buy the non-optic version of the gun and then have the slide milled for direct RMR footprint mounting.

P10F gang

@GruntyCaveman

9 күн бұрын

And if you run out of ammo, the F is large enough to be used as a clubbing device.

People act like theyre going to battle. Thst holster is not comfortable its the tacticool thing nowadays. U dont need a full size gun for a defensive situation which is only a few yards. Now police and military who get into duty situations need something like this or the 19.

@GruntyCaveman

4 ай бұрын

If you're in a gunfight, you ARE going to battle. If you don't think that's the case, then why bother carrying a gun at all? And who says every defensive shooting happens only a few yards away? FBI statistics say otherwise. If I'm going to be in a gunfight, I want a gun that allows me to have a good grip, allows me to be more accurate, and allows me to better manage recoil for faster follow up shots if necessary. My setup happens to be very comfortable for ME. You do what's right for you, and I'll do what's right for me.

@seanwhitman4365

4 ай бұрын

@@GruntyCaveman which statistics are u looking at?

@GruntyCaveman

4 ай бұрын

@@seanwhitman4365 The study that indicates 93% of shootings occur between 3 and 7 yards. One could infer that the remaining ones occur closer and farther away. I watch people at the range get deltas and mikes at 5 yards under ideal conditions. I prefer to train and give myself every possible advantage, including using a compact sized gun. Why does that bother you enough to berate my choice of weapon?

Donde compro la funda ?

It's the new CEO of the company which is taking it in a different direction

@GruntyCaveman

5 ай бұрын

That's unfortunate. When they make the decision to crank out unreliable firearms and to stop providing customer support, there is only one direction they can go.

ive seen them 379.00 optics ready.

What anodized washers are you using?

@GruntyCaveman

2 ай бұрын

Those are #8 countersunk aluminum washers from Holstersmith.com.

Who has the best price currently for this CZP10C ?

@GruntyCaveman

3 ай бұрын

I'd only recommend buying at a local shop that has one in stock that you can inspect. That goes for any gun nowadays. Manufacturers are cranking out a huge volume of firearms trying to keep up with demand, and quality is suffering because of it. You can pick up 4 versions of the same gun and experience wildly different trigger pull weights, trigger actions, levels of friction, etc. I no longer buy guns online because of the poor level of quality on the market.

$350… you can’t buy anything better at that price

@cluckbent6466

4 ай бұрын

g23 or g22 leo trade in

Does anything else think the grip is too skinny?

@GruntyCaveman

4 ай бұрын

Andre the Giant agrees with you. I wear an XL glove and the grip feels just about perfect for me. But I’m also coming off carrying micro compacts for a few years, and those are mostly made for Girl Scout sized hands, so my perspective may be skewed.

i think the space for the optic is too long...i mean it is much better if the slide has no extra unuse space when attached with optics

@johndomz.jupiter101

3 ай бұрын

and you are right... metal mounting plates for different optics should be included in the box just like the canik did

@GruntyCaveman

3 ай бұрын

The space for the optic is correct for an RMR footprint optic, but all of my full sized dots were on other guns at the time. The little 507k with an RMSc plate that I had mounted for the video just looks goofy. It now has a 407C with an RMR plate installed and the gaps are gone. But I still wish I had bought the non-optic ready version and had it direct milled for an RMR.

@johndomz.jupiter101

3 ай бұрын

@@GruntyCaveman yes, i heard from other gun lovers that they prefer the direct milled rather than with mounting plates... they say that they can mount optics a little bit farther from the extraction port, and with the exact mill size specially when you want a specific optic...

@johndomz.jupiter101

3 ай бұрын

@@GruntyCaveman great video... i really love the look of your cz p10c and your holster too... they looked perfectly matched for an edc

@GruntyCaveman

3 ай бұрын

@@johndomz.jupiter101 Yep, and direct mounting allows the optic to sit lower on the frame, so you may be able to co-witness without having to get taller sights. I can't think of any downsides to direct mount, other than an extra $125 or so for the labor. But an optic mounting plate will run $50-$75, so that narrows the price gap too.

what trigger are you running?

@GruntyCaveman

3 ай бұрын

That’s a Killer Innovations trigger.

If you don’t like the mag well then take it off… 🙄

@GruntyCaveman

5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the tip.

@LuckyDogGaming

5 ай бұрын

@@GruntyCaveman lol no worries

It's under $400. Of course it's worth it

Which holster is that?

@GruntyCaveman

4 ай бұрын

It's a Tier 1 Concealed Axis Elite.

What's your reddot?

@GruntyCaveman

4 ай бұрын

That’s a Holosun 407K. A little small for the gun, but all of my larger RMR footprint optics were on other guns at the time. I now have 407A3 on there.

I have one it’s still not as good as my Glock 45 . Good pistol for 400 bucks but not great

@red2977

4 ай бұрын

Is your glock 45 stock or did you do a lot of stuff to modify it to your liking?

🔥🤠👍

Magwell?

@GruntyCaveman

5 ай бұрын

That’s covered at the 8:25 mark of the video. Anarchy Outdoors garbage.

Is it just me or does it feel too heavy. Not balanced to my liking.

@GruntyCaveman

4 ай бұрын

I feel the weight on the draw. I’ve been working on my draw times with a shot timer and it definitely feels slower, like it’s nose-heavy. I think that wight helps with recoil and muzzle rise, but I’m ever so slightly slower drawing from concealment with the CZ.

You have one in the chamber

@GruntyCaveman

4 ай бұрын

During the video? The gun was clear. Do I carry one in the chamber? Always. Sometimes two in the chamber, just to be extra prepared.

@koongfu00

4 ай бұрын

@@GruntyCaveman it looks like the loaded chamber indicator is not working properly?

@GruntyCaveman

4 ай бұрын

@@koongfu00 It looks normal to me. The leading edge of the extractor is flush with the slide with no round in the chamber. When a round is chambered, the extractor bumps out a few millimeters. In the video I pull the trigger at the 5:54 mark, no kaboom. Maybe its just the lighting in the video that makes it looks bumped out.

It's better than a Glock out of the box. Glock Perfection is now Glock No Innovation.

I probably got 6k on my gun

heavier than the g17 with smaller barrell?,....pass.

@GruntyCaveman

4 ай бұрын

Sometimes a little extra weight in the right places is a good thing. Just ask competition shooters and Sir Mix-a-lot 😁

🇮🇱👍👌❤️💋🇮🇱

Nobody should even consider Glocks anymore for purchase or comparison. They are overpriced, overrated, and underdesigned. Their slobber factor has long passed. Compair your pistol to something more compatible.

@GruntyCaveman

Ай бұрын

I have a different perspective. The G19 and the P10C are both dated designs compared to some more modern options. They a very similar, with some small differences that come down to user preference. They are the grandpa guns of the polymer, striker fired market.

😂😂😂. You complain about what's going on with cz. Dude all glocks are exactly the same with caliber differences. And those that say i love cz, but i have to go with glock for the after market support for bs crap that is a desire to impress is ignorant. Sure glock has support but cz and most other hand guns are much better shooters. And by the way any gun you own that functions be it 100yrs old or new is still relevant today.

😂😂😂

They just don't work for me. These guys will say anything and buy anything. Wtf, why buy a glock wanna-be?

@andershilmo1866

5 ай бұрын

I ran a Glock for some time, among other guns. The p10c fits in most Glock holsters. As far as the just don’t work for me my hand hangs off a g19 unless I have a magwell on it. Probably not a problem for most. Have an old wrist injury. I can shoot longer with other grip angles than a Glock. The g19 is fine but I don’t have to put up with fine. Glocks are freliable get the job done. For guys that aren’t really big gun guys. I run other guns walters sigs and probably get a hk soon. Will build a Glock clone cuz why not but it will have a nicer grip angle than a regular Glock. Won’t be my edc. Know a couple guys running p10F in my home town PD they love them. Good guns Glocks good to. I build/buymy ar for my preference and to the spec of my preferred features why not buy a pistol closer to my preferred spec, and set of features.

@kentoncarter5613

5 ай бұрын

@@andershilmo1866 You can give me any excuse for your lack of awareness. The truth is buyers like you are gullible and what manufacturers are looking for when they make a similar product to gain market share.

@GruntyCaveman

4 ай бұрын

I'm in the same boat with wrist injuries, and that little bit of extra grip angle on the Glock just bites me under recoil.

What magwell is that?

@GruntyCaveman

5 ай бұрын

That’s covered at the 8:25 mark of the video. Anarchy Outdoors garbage.

@bmf572

5 ай бұрын

@@GruntyCaveman oh yea I forgot about them. I was just curious. I own a P10S and used CZC magwell that interestingly enough also fits my P07 perfectly. So you don’t like anarchy’s products?

@GruntyCaveman

5 ай бұрын

@@bmf572I don’t have experience with any of their other products, but this magwell is terrible. It is a flawed design with horrible execution. The magwell is a completely different shape than the grip opening. They didn’t even try to get it right.

@bmf572

5 ай бұрын

@@GruntyCaveman huh, interesting. CZC’s magwell is perfect as far as I can tell.

P07 is good