Is The Canon 18-135mm Lens Any Good? The 3 intriguing features of the Canon 18-135mm IS USM Lens
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What's The Canon EF-S 18-135mm Good For? This Review of the Canon 18-135 IS USM Nano lens will show you weaknesses and the strengths of this lens. You'll see plenty of 18-135 sample photos and video clips.
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Please comment below on what camera you plan on attaching the 18-135 lens to.
@robertosantos8777
4 жыл бұрын
I would really like a video about the comparison between Canon 90D and 6D MI and your thoughts about each body.
@seltunkoko
3 жыл бұрын
I’m using this on my 80D
@BruceLovelace-Canon
3 жыл бұрын
@@seltunkoko Good fit!
@jamesbuddell195
3 жыл бұрын
Would this work for canon eos 4000d?
@seltunkoko
3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesbuddell195 yes.
Awesome review... covered all my questions 🙏
@BruceLovelace-Canon
3 жыл бұрын
Glad it helped!
Happy Christmas and Thank you for this tutorial
@BruceLovelace-Canon
3 жыл бұрын
Hi @arty595, Glad you liked it and thanks for your comment.
Thanks for the information on the the canon 18-135 usm lens ...i don't have the usm version have the canon stm 18 135 mm version and just got myself the 90d after just selling my 77d ...but after seeing your video I'm defiantly going to keep my canon 18-135 stm is lens ,keep up the great work 👍
@BruceLovelace-Canon
3 жыл бұрын
Great, thanks for you comment. Good luck with your 90D. I really like mine a lot!
Great review I just got that lens today as a replacement to the 18-55 III lens that came with my beginner T100. Wanted a good all around lens that had IS feature for my new 90D. I have a couple primes 24mm with 50mm and the 10-18 also 55-250 I'll add a couple more primes later on. But feel I'm in a pretty good spot with what a have now.
@BruceLovelace-Canon
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Eric. Glad it was helpful!
That is absolutely comprehensive, thanks for sharing your experience
@BruceLovelace-Canon
Жыл бұрын
Glad it helped!
Thank you very much for a very comprehensive and helpful video. I do not have the USM version, but the STM version and use exclusively on my Canon EOS 7d Mk II body. I find it to be an exemplary performer for shooting close-ups of flowers and a few animals. I am looking forward to re-venturing into Landscape photography and will be happy to report on the results I experience. Again, many thnx for a great video. Rgds, Tony :)
@BruceLovelace-Canon
3 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful, Tony
Thank you very much for this helpful video. I use the Nano USM IS on my Canon occasion EOS 7d Mark II.
@BruceLovelace-Canon
11 ай бұрын
Glad it helped you!
Thank you for your great review of one of my favorite lenses. I like the 18-135 lens because of its wide range of focal length, 18 is wide enough for group shots and 135 is a good distance zoom. It is also light in weight and easy to carry along for travel or street photography. Sharpness is good, not great, but with the use of Lightroom, sharpness and clarity could easily be enhanced. The Image Stabilization is very helpful for handheld shots and can compensate for the use of a slower shutter speed needed in dark surroundings or indoors. I have the first version of this lens and I paired it with my 50D. It was a great match and I hardly took it off this camera.
@BruceLovelace-Canon
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your comment!
@MrRFasters
2 жыл бұрын
With all due respect. Lack of sharpness can never be corrected. Information which isn't there cannot be created.
@BruceLovelace-Canon
2 жыл бұрын
@@MrRFasters Fortunately, there have been remarkable developments in software (some using AI) that can sharpen from inaccurate focusing and also for motion blur. It's a really a great time to be interested in photography.
@BruceLovelace-Canon
Жыл бұрын
@@MrRFasters Try Topaz Sharpener AI. It really is remarkable.
@MrRFasters
Жыл бұрын
@@BruceLovelace-Canon Tx for your suggestion. I will give it a try. As IT guy Im aware of the AI growth and breakthrough kinda steps. And great news when there is nowadays a chance to sharpen that unique, one in a million years - missed shot cause it proves lacking sharpness ... I will try and check. Hope it doesn t introduce noise and infringements ...
Don’t worry. 18-135 will never disappoint you. Overall performance is great.
@BruceLovelace-Canon
3 жыл бұрын
The only time I switch lenses is for shooting distant wildlife (birds) with my 100-400 ( 160-640 angle of view equivalent or for super wide landscapes, 10-18mm
Excellent review , I use one with my 90d , it is lightning fast ..
@BruceLovelace-Canon
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing
I’m using it on my 90D as a take anywhere combo and am happy with the versatility v quality aspect
@BruceLovelace-Canon
2 жыл бұрын
Great!
@RichieColemanSr
2 жыл бұрын
Are you still using the lens?
@renenugent9827
Жыл бұрын
I love mines too
I primarily got this lens for my Canon C100 MKII. The facial autofocus lock is enabled with this STM lens. The autofocus is ultra quiet compared to my Sigma 18-35mm 1.8. The Sigma has way better glass but doesn’t have IS. Any who, great review.
@BruceLovelace-Canon
Жыл бұрын
Glad it helped! :-)
Very informative! Thank you. I have an option to keep either of my Canon 18-135 mm or Tamron 18-200 vc ii lenses. Which lens do you think I should keep (( I use a Canon 200D mark ii APSC camera)? Thanks in advance for your help!
@BruceLovelace-Canon
Жыл бұрын
I don't know anything about the Tamron 18-200 vc ii, but it certainly has more reach at 200mm.
Bruce - Really enjoy the clarity of your videos! I have a Canon APS-C camera (M6 MkII) but I am an old Nikon 35mm film guy. I have not yet achieved the satisfaction of sharpness in detail I had expected with my APS-C. I guess I'm looking for that Full Frame quality - out of something 2/3rds or 3/4ths the size. If I want to buy another lens to achieve that... what would You suggest? Canon EF-S? Canon EF w/the adapter? EF-M -- Like the 55-200? (I already have the EF-M's: 32mm F/1.4, 18-150mm, 15-45mm & 22mm). Or maybe Sigma 24-105mm F/4? I know too many choices... but it sounds from your video... that is Not the EF-S lens (or therefore likely the EF-M's either). So that leaves the EF's with Adapter or the Sigma's???
@BruceLovelace-Canon
3 жыл бұрын
You can get outstanding sharpness with smaller sensors and most quality lenses. Your technique matters most, as well as post processing with software.
@kchambers8102
3 жыл бұрын
@@BruceLovelace-Canon Not questioning the APS-C sensor's quality... just want to shoot with the lens that gives me the best out of it - without doing the post processing. Again, any particular lens you would recommend for the M6 MkII ? Thanks again.
@BruceLovelace-Canon
3 жыл бұрын
@@kchambers8102 I'm not sure what focal length you need, but any of the "L" lenses are top notch for quality. :-)
Liked your video was thinking about this for Canon RP ,what's your thoughts
@BruceLovelace-Canon
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your comment Ron. The Canon RP is a fine camera. I ended up delaying a dive into mirrorless and going with an upgrade to my 70D and got a 90D for 5 specific reasons: kzread.info/dash/bejne/pWeB09CElpSugqw.html Here's the blog post on the 90D: www.canoncamerageek.com/Canon-90d-good.html because of its mirrorless-like abilities
I genuinely have no idea what I’m doing, but I found this lens at goodwill for $2! It works well with my T5i.
@BruceLovelace-Canon
2 жыл бұрын
That is a great find! Congrats!
@kaylayangx
2 жыл бұрын
@@BruceLovelace-Canon thank you!
I'm using this lens for Canon 200D MK2 APS-C to replace the kit lens. It's a great lens for everyday photography and travelling.
@BruceLovelace-Canon
Ай бұрын
Glad it's working well for you!
My Canon 80d came with this lens as part of the kit, but I would like to go with a prime lens, but I'm not sure which lens to go with. I already purchased a Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM, so now I was thinking about a Sigma 20mm or 24mm f/1.4 or the Canon 24mm f/1.4, what would you recommend? I did purchase a Canon ef 50mm f/1.8 STM lens, but after a trip to the aquarium it was hit or miss on getting good shots in low light, and the quality was definitely noticeable between the lenses. When I purchased my camera, I didn't want to spend a great deal at the time, but now I can actually invest in something better, I would say a good price range is $500 to $1500, but would like to stay towards the lower end of that spectrum as possible since this is just a hobby for me.
@BruceLovelace-Canon
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your comment, Patrick. Sounds like you've got enough money to get the lens you really want. By the way, the 50mm f/1.4 is far superior to the f/1.8
I'm going to use the 18-135mm on my recently purchased 7D mark II. I also have some L series lenses
@BruceLovelace-Canon
Жыл бұрын
Great!
I'd love to learn how to get decent nighttime photography with slower aperture lenses like this. Since the 18-135 mm is such a good all-rounder, it would be a shame not to be able to keep shooting as the light goes down.
@BruceLovelace-Canon
Жыл бұрын
High ISO shooting and noise reduction software
Is there any noise from the lens during a video using auto focusing that the camera will pick up like the Sigma 17-55mm lens does?
@BruceLovelace-Canon
3 жыл бұрын
Very little
The lens looks good i would like to try these and see how my pictures come out.
@BruceLovelace-Canon
Жыл бұрын
Good luck! 🙂
@johnthomas3941
Жыл бұрын
@@BruceLovelace-Canon let me ask you something I have the 16-35 and the 50mm do I just need to buy the 55-250 and the 15-85 from Canon and the 24mm pancake lens and maybe the 24-105 later on so that will be a total of 6 lenses and I'll be straight right and a good flash speed light help me out
Hi can you use this lens to canon M200, I have a camera M200 but I don’t know what lens is better to get, can you please recommend me some some the best lens for my camera, thank you God bless.
@BruceLovelace-Canon
19 күн бұрын
Here's your answer: www.canoncamerageek.com/canon-lens-compatibility.html
Easy to travel with. Took to Europe to shoot aircraft in museums. 18mm used to capture whole planes. Like to zoom up on cockpits
@BruceLovelace-Canon
3 ай бұрын
Great!
I'm shooting with a Canon EOS 700D with a Canon EF-S 18-135mm 1:3.5-5.6 IS USM lens, and it's working out beautifully.
@BruceLovelace-Canon
Жыл бұрын
Great. Glad it's working!
Thanks 🙏
@BruceLovelace-Canon
2 жыл бұрын
Glad it helped
I am about to buy this now , is this work well with group photos in short distance
@BruceLovelace-Canon
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, although it depends on how may people and how much room you have. It's wide, but not SUPER wide on a "crop" camera.
Excelente performance
@BruceLovelace-Canon
6 ай бұрын
Thank you!
Have you had the opportunity to test this lens on an R6 or R7 for sports photography?
@BruceLovelace-Canon
7 ай бұрын
No. I use a 100-500 or my 70-200mm f/2.8 for shotting sports.
Am attaching to Canon eos 7d ...
What's the best lens for taking pictures at night i want a good lens cause i have a Canon 80d
@BruceLovelace-Canon
Жыл бұрын
There is no one best lens for taking pictures at night. It depends on your subject, but generally prime lenses with wide apertures (fast lenses) with f/2.0 or faster maximum aperture
My new M50 with a Viltrox adapter...Hopefully it will work
@BruceLovelace-Canon
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, please give us an update!
What's you opinion of the USM autofocus speed and noise for video? Thanks.
@BruceLovelace-Canon
3 жыл бұрын
Focusing speed is good, not great. I've had no issues with noise with video, although I haven't used it much for video at all. I use a 10-18 on my "crop" Canon 90D for video
@LawrenceMeisel
3 жыл бұрын
@Bruce Lovelace Thanks for the reply.
What's a good lens for photography for eos 3000d
@BruceLovelace-Canon
Жыл бұрын
Canon EF-S 18-135.
Is this camera len good enough for indoor photography?
@BruceLovelace-Canon
3 жыл бұрын
Hi George, yes it can work fine for indoor photography, but it is not a "fast" lens in itself, so it is not ideal for low light photography, which you may encounter during indoor photo shoots. It really depends on how much natural light exist, if interior lights are bright, or if you're shooting with flash. Newer cameras shoot really good quality using high ISO camera settings too.
Is this lens have background blur option?
@BruceLovelace-Canon
3 жыл бұрын
You can control the amount of blur that the background will have using any lens in several ways. 1. Using a telephoto setting. 2. Have the background be a large distance from the subject. 3. Having the subject close to the camera. 4. Using the widest aperture of the lens as possible. See this post: www.better-digital-photo-tips.com/what-is-depth-of-field.html
So will a camera actually stop allowing the aperture numbers to change based on your lens? So the aperture range on a Canon 90D is f/3.5 - f/22 and then I put on a EF-S 18-135mm which is f/3.5 - f/5.6, does this mean that my cameras screen will stop at f/5.6 because of the lens instead of going to the cameras f/22?
@BruceLovelace-Canon
3 жыл бұрын
Hi James. The camera does not have an f/stop-it's just displaying the aperture (f-stop number), that the current lens that is mounted on the camera, is set on.
@jameswestii454
3 жыл бұрын
@@BruceLovelace-Canon Thank you. Rookie here, lol.
@BruceLovelace-Canon
3 жыл бұрын
@@jameswestii454 No worries, hope it helped!
I'm using it with my Ls3/250d canon
@BruceLovelace-Canon
3 жыл бұрын
Great ! Thank you!
Can I use it on a rebel t100
@BruceLovelace-Canon
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, the Canon Rebel t100 is an APS-C "crop" camera, so this EF-S lens will fit and work on it. Here is a simple video that explains the EF versus EF-S differences: kzread.info/dash/bejne/iIKox5t6ebjcgcY.html
Mine is very blurry on edges when I'm shooting with higher f-stops and at 18mm focal lenghth
@BruceLovelace-Canon
2 жыл бұрын
Hmmmm. that's not good
@yipsalanimich321
Жыл бұрын
go into the menu and adjust you lens correction.
can this be used on Canon Rebel t7?
@BruceLovelace-Canon
Жыл бұрын
Yes
Is this work for canon m50?
@BruceLovelace-Canon
3 жыл бұрын
Maybe with the right adapter
Canon 800d is it good for it?? Or should i buy tamron 18-200 mm
@TravelingPhotographer
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Adnan, thanks for your question. Maybe another reader has experience with the Tamron 18-200 and could make a comment. I don't know anything about it. It certainly has more reach than the Canon 18-135. Both the Canon 18-135mm lens and the Tamron 18-200mm(Canon Mount) will work well with the Canon 800D (Canon t7i in USA).
@Akash_Banerjee
4 жыл бұрын
I have 800d with 18-135usm its good for me as i use my camera for travel photography(hobbyist not a pro). The sharpness of the lens will be better than 18-200 for sure. It's decently sharp but if you want the best image quality then don't buy these type of long zoom lens.
is the 70d and the 80d a solid cameras to have cause i wanted a full frame camera as well
@BruceLovelace-Canon
3 жыл бұрын
Both the Canon 70D and 80D are good cameras. You can get a 70D very cheap because it's so old now. I love my 90D even more because of its sensor. If you want full frame too, your budget needs to be high.
@jeremypinder4436
3 жыл бұрын
@@BruceLovelace-Canon this woman is selling her full frame camera a canon 5d mark 4 for 250 dollars she said she doesn't want it so i was asking questions about it. so what about the 90d that you like so much? i want a camera that is good in low light and sweet in the day timei just want a wide angle lens and a prime lens and a telephoto lens. i was looking at the tamron 18-400
@jeremypinder4436
3 жыл бұрын
@@BruceLovelace-Canon well one camera at a time i have to be working first lol i want a full frame camera but they're expensive but i hope to find a good used one to add to my collection. i but an old camera from 2006 in 2020 it was 14 years old but it still took nice pictures but no video and i want something that can shoot video. well i want 2 camera bodies that does 2 different things but i do want a full frame camera before i turn 50
@sdkj24jay41
3 жыл бұрын
@@jeremypinder4436 you have any more info about the women selling her canon mark 4? Is she still selling it
What's a step up from this lens for the 90d
@BruceLovelace-Canon
3 жыл бұрын
Perhaps one of the EF "L" lenses, like the 24-105mm f/4.0 II (www.canoncamerageek.com/canon-24-105-lens.html) which won't give you as wide of a view, or the 16-35mm f/2.8 III which won't go near as long.
@navsreef5869
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the quick reply 👍
i liked youer vidoe
@BruceLovelace-Canon
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
do you recommend this lens for vlogging
@BruceLovelace-Canon
3 жыл бұрын
I usually go a little wider for my own vlogging with a more compact 10-18mm lens, but I've used the 18-135mm lens too with no issues. It's bigger than the 10-18, not as wide, but more versatile.
@ChapapaTV
3 жыл бұрын
@@BruceLovelace-Canon thanks a lot for the reply and info Bruce
It dosent zoom far for me. I use a m50 2 with the adapter and i can only zoom like 5 meters. What should I do to get your kind of zoom ?
@BruceLovelace-Canon
Жыл бұрын
Canon EF-M 18-150mm f/3.5-6.3 IS STM Lens
@AnimationAirlines
Жыл бұрын
@@BruceLovelace-Canon i have 3.5 - 5.6 IS, is the zoom same ?
@BruceLovelace-Canon
Жыл бұрын
@@AnimationAirlines Sorry, I don't understand what your asking. Is the 3.5-5.6 the same zoom as what?
@AnimationAirlines
Жыл бұрын
@@BruceLovelace-Canon im using a lens adapter, but the zoom is badly reduced. Is the adapter the cause of this ?
@BruceLovelace-Canon
Жыл бұрын
@@AnimationAirlines No idea, but it certainly should not do that.
How would you rate this lens for realestate photography?
@sambanksbankseditingphotoa3088
3 жыл бұрын
Really looking at wide angle indoor photos and videos, but with minimal distortion.
@BruceLovelace-Canon
3 жыл бұрын
You'll probably want a wide angle zoom that goes super wide and less zoom range to minimize distortion, such as the 10-18mm lens. The best quality would be had by using a prime lens.
I had the 2nd version of this lens in about 2013 & used it with my 60D. It was a fun lens and great to learn on. I had considered getting another apsc cam as a walk around but nowadays I'd have to go with one of the RF mount cameras like the R7 or R10. I just picked up 2 solid lenses for my R5 & R6. The RF 70-200 2.8L to replace my beloved EF 70-200 2.8L IS III And the RF 100 2.8L IS Macro to replace my Tamron 90 2.8 G2 Macro. The "kit lens" makes me nostalgic for when I was learning. I Couldn't justify $600 for that 18-135 but, under $300 is fair.
@BruceLovelace-Canon
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your comment. I'm getting the R7 shortly! 🙂
@njrivetelite
Жыл бұрын
@Bruce Lovelace When the R6ii is back in stock I'm going to pick one up
@BruceLovelace-Canon
Жыл бұрын
@@njrivetelite That's a great camera!
I use Canon 750d with this lens, and pictures are werry good.
@BruceLovelace-Canon
3 жыл бұрын
Glad it's working well for you!
You can very easily modify that lens to use on fullframe and speedbooster
@BruceLovelace-Canon
20 күн бұрын
Thanks for the info
i think canon 24-105 mark ii f4 is better option for 90d
@BruceLovelace-Canon
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your comment @iron man. The 24-105 is a great lens. For me, with the 1.6x crop that comes along with using the 90D, that narrower angle of view being equivalent to a 38mm to 168mm, it's not wide angle enough to be a general purpose zoom lens for me.
@hmfilms3506
3 жыл бұрын
@@BruceLovelace-Canon agree,and it's absolutely fantastic lens . I think for price what 18-135 coast is a must have lens in every camera bag.. I have 90d and all what is missing in this camera for me,is unlimited recording and just a hair better dynamic range.
Is this lens good for canon camera Eos 750D?
@BruceLovelace-Canon
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, this lens will work perfectly with the Canon 750D (t6i)
@qjexperiments1102
3 жыл бұрын
Bruce Lovelace thanks
@BruceLovelace-Canon
3 жыл бұрын
@@qjexperiments1102 You're welcome!
Can I use it with canon full frame camera
@HesH_WT
4 жыл бұрын
No
@TravelingPhotographer
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Bikramjeet, You can think of the S in the EF-S lenses as meaning "small" so the EF-S lenses, like the 18-135, only fit on the smaller "crop" APS-C sensors, not the full frame Canons. Here is a short video to help you understand: kzread.info/dash/bejne/iIKox5t6ebjcgcY.html
@anoopa3547
4 жыл бұрын
You can use with EOS R with an adapter.
is this good for my canon 80d
@BruceLovelace-Canon
Жыл бұрын
Yes it is, because the 80D has the same size sensor. Good luck! thanks, Bruce
@crayshaunhenderson1265
Жыл бұрын
@@BruceLovelace-Canon here's my question i have the 16-35 L series lens and the nifty fifty do i buy the 18-135 and the 55-250 and the 15-85 and the 24mm pancake lens for my canon 80d or i don't need all of them 6 lens is enough right and if i already have a crop sensor camera do i need to buy a full frame camera as well i'm just asking so that i don't make a mistake and waste my money
@BruceLovelace-Canon
Жыл бұрын
@@crayshaunhenderson1265 You've got quite a few choices I'd say. It depends on your total budget, what you shoot, and how much you want to carry along with you.
The Canon lenses people talk about are actually fantastic lenses and great glass. It's the crappy Rebel cameras people put them behind like their Rebels. I have the Canon 55-250mm on my Sony a6000 and that sucker shoots like a freakin Ziess. You WILL NOT be disappointed in this lens for sure.
@BruceLovelace-Canon
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks AP Dallas Photography
@Food-is_Life
3 жыл бұрын
T7i body is not bad at all for this lens or 55-250mm. I have both and it shoots awesome pics.
@BruceLovelace-Canon
3 жыл бұрын
@@Food-is_Life Makes it a telephoto zoom with some good firepower!
this lense is hard to find i sold my camera but kept the lense
@BruceLovelace-Canon
3 жыл бұрын
Hard to find?
traded my insta360 one Rs for a canon EOS 80D and this lens want to try photography as a new hobby
@BruceLovelace-Canon
20 күн бұрын
Thanks for your comment
Thanks
@BruceLovelace-Canon
3 жыл бұрын
No problem
I have one of this lens. The sharpness is not that great. It isn't as sharp as my Canon 75-300mm lens.
@BruceLovelace-Canon
2 ай бұрын
Sorry to hear that
Omg ! Stop complaining about this lens ! It’s an amazing lens !
@BruceLovelace-Canon
Жыл бұрын
It's certainly versatile.
Ok well It’s not showed to be a 1.8 price either
@BruceLovelace-Canon
20 күн бұрын
Truth!
S/be the Sigma 17-50mm lens.
@BruceLovelace-Canon
3 жыл бұрын
Right
Omg Al zoom lens have a full open and full closed !!!!!!
@BruceLovelace-Canon
Жыл бұрын
Truth!
Focus is so nosey for video
@BruceLovelace-Canon
20 күн бұрын
Yup
It is not the sharpest lens
@BruceLovelace-Canon
3 жыл бұрын
Agreed George, it's definitely a good lens, not a great lens in terms of it's sharpness. I've found it more than sharp enough to shoot portraits for my clients and landscapes for my own purposes, but for the ultimate out of camera sharpness, the Canon L lenses are the sharpest.
18-135 miliLiters 😂
@BruceLovelace-Canon
20 күн бұрын
Thanks for your response.
Non sense..
@BruceLovelace-Canon
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the valuable feedback, Ed