Great video. Clear points and explanation. Wonderful job.

@ChristopherMichaelLaw

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, mate. I'm glad it was of help to you.

I agree with you on the points you make. Please don't get disheartened by the soreness in the comment section. All the best for your future videos!

@ChristopherMichaelLaw

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, my friend. This video seems to have ruffled a few feathers. I appreciate the words of support.

You only have 494 subscribers?? You answered all of my questions. *Subscribed*

@ChristopherMichaelLaw

2 жыл бұрын

Glad it was of help and thanks for the sub

Excellent Analogy.

I agree. I also had my BMPCC4k modified by Tilta. And I cannot justify getting a bigger heftier camera now, when my 4k has an internal 1TB NVME and a flip screen.

@ChristopherMichaelLaw

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. With the Tilta mods there is less reasons to upgrade. Cameras are just tools, use the one you feel gets the job done.

Жыл бұрын

@@ChristopherMichaelLaw where can I get that tilta screen?

@sergioknuf

Жыл бұрын

How you get 1tb internal?

@rayanayash

Жыл бұрын

@@sergioknuf tilta flip screen modification

Жыл бұрын

@@rayanayash but there is no longer for sale so you cant get internal NVME anymore

Excellent, thanks.

@ChristopherMichaelLaw

2 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

i totally agree with your thoughts bro. i have bmpcc4k with 0,64x metabones and its most versatile camera ever does

@ChristopherMichaelLaw

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, speed-boosters open up so many options.

A few additions: 1. The file sizes. A lot of people don't realize the difference of cost in media when comparing these cameras. 2. The feel of the footage (this is VERY subjective, so take it with a grain of salt). The look of a shot is affected by resolution - P4K is softer than the P6K due to the lesser resolution. Showing each hair and skin detail of a talent is sometimes detrimental. On the other hand, in a product shot you might want to squeeze out every inch of detail.

@ChristopherMichaelLaw

2 жыл бұрын

Both good points. I didn't go into resolution because of all the compression options, thought it might get a bit complicated for this video, but I agree that media costs and storage need to be considered. I'm a big fan of how the footage looks from the P4K. People who use the Alexa a lot talk about the difference between detailed and sharpness. I feel the P4K is detailed without being over sharp. But as you said, it's subjective.

@stevenfries7032

2 жыл бұрын

all of which is easy to edit in post production if you dont wish to have that kind of sharpness. you can literally take away details in DR with softness filters and Mid tone details that pretty much match the 4k. I have done this between my 6k pro to match me GH5 details. its rather easy.

@user-zv7lm8uk7h

2 жыл бұрын

EXACTLY. In wasy the p4k is sharper too because generally smaller pixels, it really is not even scientific it depends on variables. I went from a 6kpro to a p4k and it can be just as sharp is not sharper. By the way sharpness isnt even what people look for in cinema cameras.

@donndior1536

Жыл бұрын

@@user-zv7lm8uk7h do you still use the p4k now?

Thank you!!

@ChristopherMichaelLaw

2 жыл бұрын

No worries!

hey any camera nerds out there... I have a bmpcc 4k and just bought the sinui 35 anamorphic mft mount. I usually use my metabones ef mount to mount all my canon glass and that has worked great up to this point... However, I did by an adapter for the sinui 35mm to convert it to eft (it is semi permanent so i haven't done that yet, was hoping to get some clarity). I am just wondering if there would be any change or benefit to the actual image if i were to go from sinui 35mm (MFT) -> metabones ef -> MFT or if i should just take the metabones adapter off when shooting with this lens,.... and then just put the adapter back on when i use my other lenses that are ef mount. I thought that metabones adds a stop of light or something like that? Am i crazy? Probably. Thanks yall

brilliant video mate

@ChristopherMichaelLaw

Жыл бұрын

Thanks

I think, for most of us laymen that can even barely afford a set up like any of these. An important factor is actually lens possibilities. Yes, the 4k has MFT and the 6k has EF. But have you ever had a look at the prices of full frame EF glass? Those lenses go new for roughly the same price as the camera itself. Let alone if you want a cinema lens. Im talking ofcourse about not buying a second hand 50mm 1.8 II for 65 $. While for the MFT mount there are amazing MFT lenses out there such as the Meike cine for 300 each which are arguably better than a EF FF lens in terms of image.

@ChristopherMichaelLaw

2 жыл бұрын

Yep. Full frame lenses can cost a small fortune. I've not used any Meike lenses. I'm going to look into them. Thanks.

I keep like the image on the 4k is sharper for some reason. 6k pro is softer with better colors but image isn’t better if that makes sense.

Love my 4K with the Metabones!

@ChristopherMichaelLaw

2 жыл бұрын

It's a great combo!

I’m wanting advice I’m shopping around for the 4K even though I worked on the 6K but I’m finding suppliers keep pushing me onto the 6K and aren’t helping me with finding a suitable lens for the 4K. Im starting a small advertising business to make vids for peoples Facebook pages and ideally want a versatile lens that is good for close up interviews as well as good for wide angle outdoor location shots. Im only starting out and want value for money. I found your video really helpful because I’m trying to keep all my costs to a minimum starting out. Please if you could let me know of a good affordable suitable lens I’d appreciate it. I was using for the 6K a canon 24-105 mm image stabilizer ultra sonic lens which was fantastic for what I needed. Just needing something that will have same versatility that’s not so costly ?

@shueibdahir

2 ай бұрын

Buy the f0.95 and 1.2 lenses for the bmpcc 4k. They're absolutely gorgeous and make the image feel more like they were shot on a fullframe sensor

As a BMPCC4K user I can mostly agree with you on the points you make. I'm using the Canon EFs 17-55mm f2.8 with OIS and the metabones speedbooster ultra x0.71 and I'm really happy with the quality I get out of it. But there is one major downside many people forget about. The 6K Pro has built in ND filters. Something that's missing from the 4K and normal 6K models. And since all the BMPCCs do not have sufficent IR filtration you have to use external ND filters with IR cut, which makes that a quite expensive add on. If you, like me, use an APSC lense with a speedbooster on the 4K you can quickly run into the problem of vignetting when using filters in front of the lense. If you use the x0.64 speedbooster with APSC you will have strong vignetting for sure. I use a mattebox with 4x5.6 cinema filters to get around the vignette, but a single IRND filter costs easily around 250 bucks. And that's just one strength. So you would need several of these and have to switch them everytime you want to adjust for exposure changes. I was thinking about getting the new Tilta mirage with VND. But since that VND filter does not have IR cut it would not work with the BMPCC4K. So you would still need an extra IRND cinema filter in front. These are all extra costs you have to consider. So that's a clear point for the 6K pro with internal ND filters. The ease of use, no vignetting etc. all really hard to reproduce with the bmpcc4k when opting for a speedbooster. Of course you could go for a full frame lense on the speedbooster, but those lenses especially if you want a run and gun setup with a zoom lense with 2.8 or better throughout the whole range and image stabilisation will get exponentionally more expensive. So to make a long point short, the BMPCC4K does give you more options in regards of what lenses you can choose but it does come with a price and it's own set of problems. With the 6K Pro you can get around with just slapping on a good APSC EF lense, use the internal NDs, use the flip screen (it's good and bright enough for outside use) and not have to think about all the work arounds you would have to do with the 4K model.

@ChristopherMichaelLaw

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, the internal NDs on the 6K Pro are a massive plus point. It's the main reason I bought the camera. I'd love to see a 4K Pro with built in ND but I don't think it will happen. I'm no expert on IR and I've read conflicting things about it (cloud cover reduces it vs cloud cover increase it - not to be confused with UV). My understanding is there is an IR absorption filter in the P4K it's just not very strong. Have you seen the Rawlite OLPF? It's an Optical Low Pass Filter and IR cut replacement filter for the camera - not cheap though.

@hethfilms

2 жыл бұрын

@@ChristopherMichaelLaw Yeah I saw the Rawlite OLPF, price aside, the video showing how to get that thing into the BMPCC4K scared the living s*** out of me. :) Not touching that one. But I can definitely confirm the BMPCC4K has a really servere problem with IR pollution out of the box. When I first got it, I used an older VND with no IR cut and got really bad IR pollution with a very brownish tint to the whole picture, especially the shadows, black shirts becoming reddish etc. I personally would not trade my fully rigged BMPCC4K for a 6K pro at this point, but anyone starting out should consider getting the latest model and enjoy the internal NDs, the better screen and the larger sensor and resolution. There is quite the large amount of money to to pay to work around all the little prblems of the pocket cameras. The 6K pro got a few of those sorted out already.

@ChristopherMichaelLaw

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think I'd be brave enough to install the Rawlite OLPF myself either ; ) And thanks for all the feedback regarding the P4K and IR, it's something I need to look into more.

@tds3653

2 жыл бұрын

You can also use step up/down rings as long as it’s just 1 or 2

@xaralamposmaniada6009

2 жыл бұрын

@@ChristopherMichaelLaw it is better for the filters ND to be before the lens and not after the lens because the rays have entered the lens and spoil the image

Good stuff man - I think Im getting a 4k again ha - will do a compare over on my channel too ha

@ChristopherMichaelLaw

2 жыл бұрын

Cool. I'll check it out when you upload it.

How did you get that many resolution options for the bmpcc4k?? I can only choose between HD, UHD, and 4K.

@ChristopherMichaelLaw

5 ай бұрын

make sure the camera is updated to the latest software/ Switch from ProRes to Blackmagic RAW in camera.

Doesn’t matter how good your image quality is if your filming shite! I think this was a good review!!

@ChristopherMichaelLaw

2 жыл бұрын

Very true. What you point the camera at is the most important thing.

I have used both extensively and must say that the without looking at the price difference the 6K is far better than the 4K. The tilting screen, the built in ND’s, the better quality, the ability to record better in low light. Its not even a question that the 6K is better but there’s nothing wrong with that, the 4K is still amazing for what it is. It’s like looking at the iPhone 5 VS the newest iPhone, both are amazing for the time they were built and can be respected but the newer one is just plain better.

@ChristopherMichaelLaw

2 жыл бұрын

It's true, the 6K Pro has some great features. I love the built in ND's too. But to claim "the newer one is just plain better", without also stating what it is better for, doesn't mean anything. If it's better for your needs - that's great. But everybody's needs are different and every job has different needs. In some areas the 4K outperforms the 6K Pro, and in others the 6K Pro has the advantages.

@stevenfries7032

2 жыл бұрын

@@ChristopherMichaelLaw the advantages that the 4k has over the 6k pro is very insignificant. 6k pro, larger sensor and better for low light. Can use native APSC and full frame lenses without a speed booster. Internal ND filters which saves a lot of time and hassle. Not to mention high in quality. Tilt screen with BETTER overall brightness. the ability to not use the screen at all and use the add on view finder. The added audio inputs. the obvious ability to record 6k and 5.7k. better picture quality when downscaling to 4k. oh and a slight bump in dynamic range too. its not because it is newer. it is superior in most regards....and it reflects that in price point.

@ChristopherMichaelLaw

2 жыл бұрын

@StevenFries It could be superior in a million things. Doesn't change the fact that in the areas I talk about in this video the BMPCC4K is better. Things that you find "very insignificant" other people might find significant and the things you find significant might be insignificant to other people.

@stevenfries7032

2 жыл бұрын

@@ChristopherMichaelLaw but it’s not really better in 4K. You can literally record 6k or 5.7k and down convert to 4k and the picture quality compared to native 4k recoding is better. Yes, the crop is terrible for native 4k recording. But a lot of folks who know what they are doing are going to be recording 6k and down covert if needed. Let’s be real.

@ChristopherMichaelLaw

2 жыл бұрын

@StevenFries Haha, my bad. I didn't mean the 4K resolution, I meant the 4K camera. I should have said "in the areas I talk about in this video the BMPCC4K is better."

Hi Chris. How well do they work together? I'm planning to buy both shortly. 6K Pro as my A-camera, the 4K as the B, obviously.

@ChristopherMichaelLaw

10 ай бұрын

I think they work great together. If you;'re working with BRAW then they only difference is resolution and file size.

The last camera I had was a Nikon F2, some 40 years ago. I know nothing about "auto" this or that. I spend my time composing a shot, whether it be a 'photo or film.

@ChristopherMichaelLaw

Жыл бұрын

The Nikon F2, a classic.

Hi, you mentioned rolling shutter, how badly does this affect handheld shots with the 6KP?

@ChristopherMichaelLaw

2 жыл бұрын

I feel the 6K pro suffers from heavy rolling shutter problems, unfortunately - handheld shots without stabilisation are very hard to active

@kprotsenko1877

2 жыл бұрын

@@ChristopherMichaelLaw Interesting. I had the original 6k (which I sold in order to upgrade to the pro) but I haven't noticed any strong rolling shutter. Sure there was some but only really visible when I panned fast which I normally don't do. When I was panning normally or just filming handheld, it seemed ok to me. But I guess it's in the eyes of the beholder - what seems normal to me may not seem normal to a more discerning user.

@ChristopherMichaelLaw

2 жыл бұрын

It's not so much in panning. It's that any little shake or wobble creates a strange jello effect - mostly on the edges of the image - maybe my hands are less stable than others - things in the footage can look squished, which really annoys me. I'ts hard to describe in words.

@kprotsenko1877

2 жыл бұрын

@@ChristopherMichaelLaw it sounds like an artefact of image stabilisation… it’s exactly for this reason that I avoid IBIS (and for a different reason - stutter while panning - I tend to avoid optical stabilisation). I haven’t noticed those things. However when I film handheld, I do use a stabilisation device - a thing that sits on my shoulder with a plate in front of my chest. It’s very, very basic but gets rid of micro jitters under 85mm FF-equivalent. On a related but another subject, do you find that overall you enjoy using the 4k more than the 6kP or vice versa? When you reach for a camera, and both can do the job, do you reach for which one?

@ChristopherMichaelLaw

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, it's to do with micro jitters. A little stabilisation when shooting fixes it. Your device seems like a good solution. I'm looking into building something similar but with a v mount battery as well. As for which i enjoy more, i'd have to say the 4K. There's no real science to this. The built in NDs of the 6K Pro are super helpful but the 4K is just more fun. Could be because the work flow is easier or maybe because of the smaller size or maybe it's all in my head!

As a BMPCC6K user I want buy one 4K and sell the 6K only for the size of the 4k sensor, more big in 4k (15X8 IN 6k VS 19X10 IN 4k....crop factor 2 in 4K vs 2.5 in 6K). I use the camera only in BRAW so I use the only 6K mode in full size sensor for 10%, the 90% of time I shot in 4K. So ise better to have a bigger sensor. Second MFT lenses are less expensive. But in Prores 6k is a good camera.

@ChristopherMichaelLaw

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, makes sense if you don’t need the extra resolution. 6K files get big fast.

i wanna invest in the 4k but i dont want to spend that much extra for speed booster.. anyone have footage video of the 4k with a regular cheap ef mount?

@ChristopherMichaelLaw

2 жыл бұрын

sorry, but I don't.

Bro I am planning to purchase BMPCC 4k.....My PC has gtx 1650.......can GPU GTX 1650 4gb ddr6 can easily edit footage and render it easily or I need to upgrade graphic card.....

@ChristopherMichaelLaw

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry I don't know. It depends on what you want to edit 1080p vs 4k. The more ram the better. I think you need a graphics card with at least 6gb vram but you would need to look that up. If I was you I would download Davinci Resolve and some test footage from the Blackmagic Design website and see if it runs. It's free so can't hurt.

@madedigital

2 жыл бұрын

8gb GPU is smoother you can use 4gb but frames will be dropped in full quality preview ...it run if its a proxy

@LakeHowellDigitalVideo

9 ай бұрын

I've edited 4k on integrated graphics. It's not pleasant and the render times suck -- a 1650 is okay, but obviously something with 8gb or 12gb of VRAM would be a lot better.

I'm filmming a movie using both.

@ChristopherMichaelLaw

6 ай бұрын

Awesome! Best of luck.

I'm not with you on this review. The paramount reason for the Pocket 6k Pro being better than the 4k, is the image quality. Though Blackmagic Design claims that both cameras have 13 stops of dynamic range, it's very clear that this is incorrect, and that the 6k Pro has a significant advantage in dynamic range, having 1 stop more in the highlights and 1 more in the shadows. There are other reasons, but this is the most important one

@bmefilms6879

2 жыл бұрын

its hard to get people to see this. you can clearly see on every video people post with the 4k, the shadows are dark or crushed...less dynamic range than the 6k pro. once you use internal Nds, game over! the monitor...nuff said!

@leebrandt8597

2 жыл бұрын

@@bmefilms6879 I still think that the Pocket 4k is a really good camera, but since image quality is what's the most important to me, Pocket 6k Pro wins

@ChristopherMichaelLaw

2 жыл бұрын

I totally agree. If your only consideration is image quality, then the 6K and 6K PRO win hands down. The point I was trying to make, was that in some areas, the 4K can have an advantage. Not every area. Just some areas. And depending on the requirements of the job, it might be useful to understand them. For some people image is the most important, for others it could be getting the most out of their full-frame lenses (where a 4K and speed booster would be best) If I was filming a lot handheld I would pick the 4K over the 6K pro because I hate the rolling shutter wobble that effects the 6K heavily. I probably didn't make it clear enough in the conclusion, but I was trying to say "BETTER" or "BEST" is only important when asked with a particular requirement in mind. 80% of the time the 6K is a far better camera, but 20% of the time the 4K could be better.

@ChristopherMichaelLaw

2 жыл бұрын

I agree @Bme Films. Internal ND's are awesome. It's the main reason I got the 6K pro.

@Frontigenics

2 жыл бұрын

I'm also just after the best possible image quality... but IMO, the P4K with Speebooster Ultra wins as it's nearly Full-Frame with only a 1.2x crop. The image just looks way better for the way I shoot.

Angry people in the comments 😅

@ChristopherMichaelLaw

2 жыл бұрын

It's touched a nerve with some people, that's for sure.

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I dont get point of video

@ChristopherMichaelLaw

Жыл бұрын

The point is, some features in the 4K could be considered “better” than the same ones in the 6K pro.

I don't agree. The super 35 is 200% better

@ChristopherMichaelLaw

2 жыл бұрын

okay

You forgot one important thing and that's the PRICE The 4K might be more expensive than the 6K pro The 6K pro is basically ready to use right out of the box The 4K you have to build it up -speed booster -monitor -ND filters -ssd card -vmount battery -cage All of a sudden the a $1200 4k ends up costing you $4000 to rig up I say if you're new and want to get a high end cinema camera go for the 6K pro It's newer and all you basically need to get is a few extra batteries and a cfast card. And the rest of the stuff you could get as time passes.

@ChristopherMichaelLaw

2 жыл бұрын

No, I didn't forget price. I just didn't mention it because it's irrelevant to the point of the video, which is - In a small number of areas the 4K has an advantage over the 6K Pro. Obviously in other areas the 6K Pro has advantages over the 4K.

Yea black magic fucked up and it's a better price

@ChristopherMichaelLaw

2 жыл бұрын

haha, I wouldn't go that far but it's a good camera.

no

First , you should build a very strong fan base than put videos like this. Because, who are you? Why would I trust this review?

@ChristopherMichaelLaw

2 жыл бұрын

It's just my opinion. Hopefully you wouldn't just trust me but use it as a starting point to look into the points I make. But that's entirely up to you.

@Aaron_Smith_OM

2 жыл бұрын

Petru B. that's a bad take. Like, REALLY bad. There are examples in the video to show some areas of why some may lean more toward the P4K versus the P6K Pro. Another thing is that having a larger fan base doesn't equate validity. If someone online posts math videos and they are correct (showing formulas and all that) but has 300 subs is somehow less valid/trustworthy than someone with 3 millions subs saying 2 + 2 is actually 5, then your logic pinpoints one of the biggest problems with the YT tech and commentator realm. Amount of subs = validity. Not true at all. How many reviews out there have people posted about Sony cameras because Sony has been known to give YT techies free gear like cameras? Especially during the Canon vs Sony craze, when Canon refused to give out free cameras, but did agree to send out loaners. Points here are valid, for him. It's his opinion and well thought out comparisons. If anything, it's videos like this that would bring in more views and subs.

@chiokehart-kelly3481

2 жыл бұрын

Buddy who are you? YOU need to build a fan base, why would anyone trust what you say? The points made were valid and it could save some people from buying more camera than they actually need.

@madedigital

2 жыл бұрын

@@ChristopherMichaelLaw fan base what is this guy a rapper keep making your points it was interesting ...PS fan base should not form your opions.

@ChristopherMichaelLaw

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, mate. Appreciate the support. And don't worry, if i ever have a massive fan base I won't let it go to my head!