Is the 4L70 really any better?

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Join us in the PerformaBuilt Learning Lab to take a look at the differences between a 4L60e, 4L65e, & 4L70e. We take a look at the subtle differences between the 3, and discuss whether the 4L70e truly is the pinnacle of the 4L60 series-- or if that's just another myth to be busted...
#4l60e #4l60e #performabuilt #performabuilttransmissions #1000hp #oem #transmission #performance #performancetransmission

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  • @brandonblake1723
    @brandonblake17233 ай бұрын

    Love the way you break it down for the guys that just have money to spend and don't know shit about anything else.

  • @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    3 ай бұрын

    Thats 95% of the car community sadly. And stubborn boomers.

  • @MegaBill502
    @MegaBill5022 ай бұрын

    Very nice job Ryan. One of the most no nonsense, easy to understand transmission videos on YT. Thank you !!

  • @hotroddude6551
    @hotroddude6551 Жыл бұрын

    I love Ryan's No BS, straight to the point. vids. Love my Performabuilt trans. Was behind a built 383 LTx, now it's getting ready for more abuse from a built LS2. I've had it since 2002 and no complaints. Only thing to ever fail was the converter that my tuner broke on the dyno. I may just send it to Ryan to have it inspected and possibly updated with all his new stuff.

  • @davidkraus910
    @davidkraus9109 ай бұрын

    I'm only stopping after the 4L70 because im tired and have to work tomorrow early. But I'll watch the rest tomorrow. Great info dude, thanks for taking the time to film and edit. This answers a shot load of questions I have about the 4L series.

  • @charlessagona4582
    @charlessagona4582 Жыл бұрын

    Always a informative video . Thanks for you time putting these out.

  • @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    Жыл бұрын

    Your welcome!!

  • @djlowfreq
    @djlowfreq8 ай бұрын

    Excellent Video! I have ADDDDDDD and watched the whole video. I'm lying, I listened to the video while I read the comments. LOL

  • @ryno6101
    @ryno61014 ай бұрын

    Great information thanks

  • @richknudsen5781
    @richknudsen57817 ай бұрын

    Thanks kid, I have been wondering how to order the right parts for my 4l60e rebuild. Very helpful.

  • @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    7 ай бұрын

    Check out some of my older build videos for performance parts suggestions if you havent already

  • @richknudsen5781

    @richknudsen5781

    7 ай бұрын

    @@PerformaBuiltTransmissions Been there done that but I have been confused a bit as to which parts are used in the different vintages of 4l60e like harnesses and valve body components. I have C5 Vettes and a cherry 2010 GMC canyon with the 5.3 v8 option and low rider handling kit so they all have different 4l60 requirements. Thank Again.

  • @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    7 ай бұрын

    Valve body and harness setup for the c5 from 1997 to 2004 will be the same and you can use any valve body and harness out of any 4l60e or 65e from 1997 to 2006. The gmc canyon has a unique core and is set up in the style of 2009-2013 model valve body and harness. The only time the 4l60e got super weird is the three standalone years i.e 1993, 1994, and 1995.

  • @richknudsen5781

    @richknudsen5781

    7 ай бұрын

    @@PerformaBuiltTransmissions Appreciated Ryan, Thanks.

  • @kufa2187
    @kufa2187Ай бұрын

    Hi, I have a Trailblazer SS and its 4L70e transmission is broken. Can I put a 4L60e or 4L65e transmission? Will there be a difference in acceleration?

  • @allanapplebee4952
    @allanapplebee4952 Жыл бұрын

    I have a 4L60E and a Terminator X Max and added a pressure sensor. Are the standard pressure setting ok or do you have a base recommended starting point? To find someone with knowledge and the Holley is hard to find.

  • @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    Жыл бұрын

    Depends on your trans builders build. We require a stock line pressure setting for ours.

  • @ITZ_CHERRY4EVER
    @ITZ_CHERRY4EVER4 ай бұрын

    Thanks for the honest information brother. I have a 07 Chevy Silverado Crew Cab 4.8L 2wd and i needed to know the right stock remanufactured transmission replacement to go back into it. Which of these transmissions you talked about should i get to put back in it? If it was your truck? Which stock trans would you put in it?

  • @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    4 ай бұрын

    You actually might have a rare exception because most of those came with 4L60Es not 4L70Es.

  • @user-rn2fv2fo8b
    @user-rn2fv2fo8b Жыл бұрын

    in an AWD truck, like a 2003 Silverado SS, can a 4l70 be used? do you make adapters for the AWD transfer case? I know the 4L80's need new drive shafts, a new adapter to connect to the Tcase, and a wiring harness adapter.

  • @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    Жыл бұрын

    Why do you want a 70 in a 2003?

  • @ucantfadebee
    @ucantfadebee Жыл бұрын

    I have a tbss with lsa with piston rod and stage one cam stocks transmission went out, so I don’t know what transmission should I get?

  • @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    Жыл бұрын

    To spec out a build you must call us at 888-744-6542

  • @rom.6.23
    @rom.6.236 ай бұрын

    Is a 03 4l60 interchangeable with a 03 4l65? Current 4l60 shredded reverse have an option to pick up a 4l65 is it plug and play?

  • @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    6 ай бұрын

    yes interchangeable

  • @josefranjul9418
    @josefranjul9418 Жыл бұрын

    Hey man, whats the real difference on the 1 Piece K housing and the non K housing on Fbody cars?

  • @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    Жыл бұрын

    Casting is slightly thicker around the starter and dustcover area. Was meant for 4x4 trucks mostly and gm cut the ears off of each side for Fbodies because the cut would weaken the non K case around the cut area.

  • @BrettAirsun
    @BrettAirsun Жыл бұрын

    Gosh DAMN IT! i just routed all my harnesses for my Terminator X max yesterday!! Is this 13 pin connector absolutely necessary? Only thing i see in the instructions from Holley is pre-2009 4L60-65e W/1.75 second gear ratio or W/1.63 second gear ratio

  • @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    Жыл бұрын

    Holley x max usually requires a 15 pin not a 13. They list it broadly from 1996 to 2008 but left out the part that 2007 and 2008 are totally different from 1996 to 2005 / some 2006s. Consult your controller and harness you posess for a pin count. 13 is 60e and 15 is 70e

  • @dalehall2993
    @dalehall2993 Жыл бұрын

    Guys a beast!...😎👊🏻

  • @taylorh3930
    @taylorh393010 ай бұрын

    I like the long videos I mix a drink and sit back 🙂

  • @atlasintegrations4114
    @atlasintegrations4114 Жыл бұрын

    Well, if you don't wear panties they can't get in a bunch. Love the vids Ryan. Keep doing what you do. People will always find a reason to be offended by the truth. Good night! What's this world coming to?!

  • @highlander8198
    @highlander819810 ай бұрын

    My 4L60e in my ‘02 Sierra has crapped the bed, and a friend has given me a great condition 4L70e (case code 6KMD) to swap in. I’m assuming I can just do a direct swap using my current harness and ignore that additional speed sensor…?

  • @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    10 ай бұрын

    Will work just fine. Pcm wont see the sensor

  • @CorEdmonds

    @CorEdmonds

    8 ай бұрын

    Can a 60 be used where a 70 once resided? What type of codes would it have and can hptuners tune out the fault code?

  • @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    4 ай бұрын

    It can but you will have to go into the pcm and change the iss function from fitted to not fitted. This wont work with all pcms but most of them.

  • @williamcurry6412
    @williamcurry641218 күн бұрын

    I work part time at Orielly’s Auto Parts. The 4L60, 4L65, and 4L70 are priced the same. Trying to figure out which one to get.

  • @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    16 күн бұрын

    Its because they are the same in general. No difference that matters in function except the 70 iss if your vehicle requires it and is not on a standalone.

  • @XxFalametartxX
    @XxFalametartxXАй бұрын

    Dude I’ve got a 87 blazer with a vortec 350 fully freed motor and 700r4 and man I love it but hill climbs I just lose so much speed momentum power idk but she drops the trans is healthy so idk where to go more tq n hp or better trans?!

  • @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    Ай бұрын

    Stall speed, and rear gearing adjustment. Many videos available on the math to acheive what your trying to do.

  • @budthechud3408
    @budthechud340811 ай бұрын

    I have a 2004 gmc yukon 5.3L vin code z with a 4L60e thats got a failing pwm torque converter. Can i swap it out for a 4L65e or 4L70e with no modifications or problems? Will the computer system be ok with the newer trans? Any info is greatly Appreciated disabled dad in need if help.

  • @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    11 ай бұрын

    Yes, You can swap it out for a 4l65 or 70 and there will be 0 issues with the computer.

  • @budthechud3408

    @budthechud3408

    11 ай бұрын

    @@PerformaBuiltTransmissions thank you so much for your response!! 2nd question..will running John Deere Hygard low viscosity tighten up the torque converter and buy me some time? lot of old timers recommend this but don't know the veracity if such a claim

  • @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    4 ай бұрын

    I have lots of people that use hyguard no issue.

  • @domingoperez8156
    @domingoperez81569 ай бұрын

    I have a 2007 4L60E can I use it in a 99-06 application

  • @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    9 ай бұрын

    Ys you can

  • @mariotillery8459
    @mariotillery84594 ай бұрын

    My 2006 Sierra Vortec Max code claims to be a 4L70. Thanks for any information

  • @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    4 ай бұрын

    Might be might not be. For the sake of video time and todays attention spans i did not cover every little vehicle. Some 06 models did have 70s like the trailblazer ss but its is extremely extremely rare. Youll just have to start running numbers your vin and rpo codes.

  • @lylegoodluck
    @lylegoodluck Жыл бұрын

    I'm in the market looking for 4L60e that can handle up to 500hp for my 2008 silverado. Monster trying to sell me stage 2 4L70e.

  • @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    Жыл бұрын

    2008 silverado needs a 4l70E because of the electronics. You cant use a 4L60E. I would sell you our level 2 as well, you can veiw it and order at www.performabuilt.com

  • @hardball107
    @hardball107 Жыл бұрын

    Hate your delivery but love your facts and knowledge. I have run a cammed 5.3 LS with a 4L60 in an S10 up to roughly 475hp with great success. My current ride, A '68 C10 has a similar engine with a hotter cam and long tubes and I opted for the 4L80 because of the weight of the truck, larger tunnel and available space. Both trucks are very reliable and in a cruiser IMHO the 4L60 works just great, want to step it up ? 5 pinion planets and all the aftermarket goodies are out there for the 60 so have at it but the 80 handles the power and doesn't cost you an arm and a leg.

  • @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    Жыл бұрын

    In the inner talks of the industry, the 80 isnt going to be cheaper much longer. Cores are getting destroyed and harder to get, the drums cant turn near as much rpm and are costly for aluminum ones. Reid just increased their prices immensely a few days ago. The 80 is about to cost more than the 60 by alot.

  • @ohane1

    @ohane1

    Жыл бұрын

    I have about 800hp going through a highly modified 4L70E... in a Saab 9-7X Aero. I'm seeing a little more metal flake than I like in the fluid but have done 0-60 in 3.37 w/ 1 ft rollout. 3.69 w/o.

  • @ohane1

    @ohane1

    Жыл бұрын

    My 4L70E has 5 pinion planet, 800hp Saab 9-7x Aero. (TBSS)

  • @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    Жыл бұрын

    Might need to check your converter spacing as in its too tight past 1/8 or more likely your flexplate is wearing out and chewing up the pump backing. Not alot sheds metal flake in these transmissions except that.

  • @ohane1

    @ohane1

    Жыл бұрын

    @@PerformaBuiltTransmissions did that recently & was correct per Yank instructions. Thanks 4 reply! I will see when I open it up if it gets worse or stops working I guess. I just figured heavy vehicle + power = clutch wear? By "shavings" meant glitter btw...

  • @davidwamboldt7974
    @davidwamboldt79743 ай бұрын

    Is the 60e just as strong as the 75e other than the pinions.

  • @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    3 ай бұрын

    Depends how you build it. Making hard parts strong and last through function starts with the basic fundamentals of hydraulics.

  • @bradbeasley7669
    @bradbeasley7669 Жыл бұрын

    👍

  • @wickedwolverine350
    @wickedwolverine3506 ай бұрын

    An ISS does not make it a 4L70E. There are 4L60E RPO M30 with an ISS, these had 4 pinion planetaries and controlled by a TCM. I believe when GM went from PCMs that controlled both the engine and trans to separate ECM and TCM that the TCM required an ISS, so to keep using the 4L60E it had to be upgraded to have an ISS. The 4L65E RPO M32 has 5 pinion planetaries, 7 clutches in the 3-4 pack, stronger input shaft, and a stronger forward sprag. The 4L70E RPO M70 has the same upgrades as a 4L65 plus a stronger output shaft. A 4L70E RPO M70 was only found in the TrailBlazer SS, 2006 GMT800 with LQ9 engine, and 2007 and 2008 GMT900 with L76 engine.

  • @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    6 ай бұрын

    99 percent of this was mentioned in the video minus codes... most people watching this dont want to get that into it and want it put simply. Simply is, The biggest difference between the 70 and the rest being basically a iss sensor is the key and major difference that came about in 2006 and primarily in 2007 and 2008 various model codes. Transmission slang is 2007 and 08 were pretty much in fact dubbed the 4l70e unofficially by nearly everyone in and out of the industry. Said 2006 trailblazer was mentioned in being the true 70 as well. You can also change most pcms or tcm iss input selection from fitted to not fitted as it was not an essential peice at all. Great info thats more detailed than i was tho.

  • @raylaux8295
    @raylaux8295 Жыл бұрын

    Know for years the 60e just needed better internals.

  • @hotroddude6551
    @hotroddude6551 Жыл бұрын

    BTW, Ryan, I emailed you a while back about doing a vid on standalone controllers. I've had 3 guy, recently, ask me. I just told them to call you. I can't recommend something good that I don't know about.

  • @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    Жыл бұрын

    Sorry, Working on it. And its been on my list. A video like that takes alot of time to put together and its getting peiced together but it will be awhile before all the screen captures are edited in. Im having staffing issues and a high demand lately so ive had to put alot of these kinds of things for youtube on the back burner for now. Quick videos like this dont require alot of work.

  • @Peewee0413

    @Peewee0413

    Жыл бұрын

    US Quick Shift is awesome. I have one running my Heavy Hauler.. TCI's EZ TCU sucked.

  • @chrisscott2647
    @chrisscott26475 ай бұрын

    Thumbs up right off the bat for doggin on the smooth brain dudes that can't stand to sit still and pay attention long enough. LMAO

  • @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    5 ай бұрын

    Its sad too many people want a racecar but shouldnt have one

  • @sierravmax
    @sierravmax Жыл бұрын

    My 06 Sierra has a 4l70e.

  • @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes. Quote "Some 2006s namely the trailblazer ss" please rewatch

  • @sierravmax

    @sierravmax

    Жыл бұрын

    What I am getting at is that those are the oddball years, because mine does not have a ISS. It has a 13 pin green plug. But has M70 RPO code.

  • @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    Жыл бұрын

    @@sierravmax Then its not a 4L70E. a 13 pin non iss 70 does not exist. If it has that code, it has to have ISS.

  • @sierravmax

    @sierravmax

    Жыл бұрын

    @PerformaBuilt Transmissions Not true. Truck has a 4l70e. Even the brochure they gave me says it when I bought the truck brand new. It is a Vortecmax with a LQ9. Reason is because it does not have a T42 TCM. ECU still controlled the trans. No point of installing a sensor.

  • @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    Жыл бұрын

    @@sierravmax we can agree to disagree. you may have a rare case but overall its not truely correct, no iss means its just a glorified 4l65E

  • @fenycott5631
    @fenycott5631 Жыл бұрын

    Really good info but you come off extremely condescending

  • @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    @PerformaBuiltTransmissions

    Жыл бұрын

    I am extremely condecending. I dont do feelings, just information. Im sick of people whining about every little thing tbh. If you had to deal with what i do everyday for the past decade + ... youd be pretty numb and fed up too

  • @Peewee0413

    @Peewee0413

    Жыл бұрын

    Well he's building your transmission, not trying to marry you. Ryan looks like a "No Filter Included" guy I'd drink a beer with.

  • @Low760

    @Low760

    Жыл бұрын

    I think it's just a general public idea of the customer is always right, when you're not, he's not mincing his words and that's about it.

  • @chrisscott2647

    @chrisscott2647

    5 ай бұрын

    You better harden up. This world isn't a kind place for soft people.

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