Kieth, you are one of the best interviewers on the web , I have watched many of your interviews , they are very productive and i enjoy them. You have such a nice disposition as a person and interviewer . God bless you & richard.

@ConversationswithaCalvinist

3 күн бұрын

That is so kind of you, thank you!!!

Never watched a whole video before but the intro is amazing "he's nice" hahahahahha

RPCNA here about to become a member myself ..We hold strongly to inerrancy of scripture, sovereignty of God , and the Lordship of Christ over every area of human life ..take the bible serious as it should be ..GOD Bless

Apropos of nothing, my 12yo legit just looked over my shoulder and asked "Is that Doug Wilson?"

@JoWilliams-ud4eu

3 күн бұрын

You are raising thar boy right

@ConversationswithaCalvinist

3 күн бұрын

Greatest Comment Ever.

@toolegittoquit_001

3 күн бұрын

Harbor Freight Discount Doug Wilson

@PaDutchRunner

2 күн бұрын

Take that kid to Harbor Freight- he’ll love it!

@Mulerider4Life

2 күн бұрын

It's the Doug Wilson if he was more graceful with folks 😁.

You guys are my two favorite Christian KZreadrs to watch. I love your collabs and I get giddy with excitement when I see a new upload. Thank you for another amazing interview!

Congrats on the wedding, RZ. I was 20 when I married my wife who had practically just turned 18. We are almost 12 years married with five children. Wouldn't do it any other way.

I really love RZ's energy and vision. Great interview.

This is nuts. I learn from you Keith and Redeemed zoomer on Instagram probably the most these last 6 months. I would never have thought this collab was coming. This is awesome. Idk how I missed the collaborations y’all had before

“Then I heard another voice from heaven say: “Come out of her, my people, so that you will not share in her sins or receive any of her plagues.” - Revelation‬ ‭18‬:‭4‬, MCSB 😇

You could rename this episode “A case for congregational church polity”

Enjoyed the podcast👍

@ConversationswithaCalvinist

3 күн бұрын

Thanks for listening!

"I feel like these offshoot denominations do this and say that..." This keeps coming up, but can RZ demonstrate any of these feelings as actually systemic within said denom? These claims are lightweight strawmen coming from someone who doesn't seem to have any meaningful lived experience of church life within these denoms. He is also coming across as heavily institution-centric about his describing the influence of a church on the surrounding culture. Programs and more institutions are the assumption, but what about all the non-material influences on the culture? No one one in the PCA for example, is walking around espousing the institutional grounding of the PCA, claiming it's closer to the "True" Knox church or whatever, flexing it's hereditary roots, polishing it's 18th century stained glass windows, or boasting about the cool Universities it built then left to rot under liberalism. "We're older and bigger. So... you know.. more better?" Maybe these denoms don't look as institutionally impressive, because they know that Christianity's influence on the culture is multi-dimensional, and is ultimately guided by the Spirit moving through people's hearts. I.E. Perhaps they know that the church was never measured according to institutional prowess, and instead measured by faithfulness to The Gospel which "leaks" out into the culture, even doing so at the expense of institutional unity just to preserve an image of a strong institution. I'll be critical of RZ's attitude towards other denoms, and will defend all of these "offshoots" until he can see these rather arbitrary presumptions he's operating under. I'll also pray his reconquista work.. works. I hope he changes his mind about ECO, PCA, and OPC being schismatic and can better sympathize with those who would rather not attempt to worship underneath an established institution that hates you. Depending on how you look at it, those communities that split off from the PCUSA can be viewed as the stubborn cowards, or as heroic refugees that got bullied and scandalized away from their home country. If you only ever adopt one of these views, then you're being reductive about the situation and you'll be equally reductive about the people in these smaller denominations.

@Taterstiltskin

3 күн бұрын

you can pretty much sum it up as kid got no xp. i want to like his content, but he has consistently proven he knows more about his favorite institutions than actual good theology. my bet is in 5 (maybe 10 at most with a pit stop in conversion to anglican or rc) he'll be on the tic toks talking about his deconstruction with the likes of piper's boy. i don't like it, just what i see.

@toolegittoquit_001

3 күн бұрын

Your summary - okay, it wasn't a summary ... - encapsulates my perspective. I need a snippet of life experience before I consider his opinion little more than a young Don Quixote tilting at daffodils 😐

@SilentEcho4178

3 күн бұрын

He’s just an elitist and Christianity is the subject/identity/vehicle which he uses to express it. I’ve lost a ton of respect for him recently, especially since he got called out by another pastor for always “punching right” and being overly critical of conservative denoms, and he gave a fake apology to sound good and then kept on doing it anyways.

Love to see you interview Jeffrey Rickman from the PlainSpoken podcast. He is from the newly formed Global Methodist Church. They will be deciding several things at their convening General Conference.

Umm...the RPCNA never split off from the "mainline" Presbyterian Church. In fact, the RPCNA never split off from anyone. Always been since 1560.

@redeemedzoomer6053

3 күн бұрын

That’s correct

@dantownsend761

Күн бұрын

When did the first covenanters come to the new world? And wasn't there a period when they settled temporarily in Ulster?

It's not a retreat. Tactical redeployment...

@davewhite756

3 күн бұрын

How is giving up your vote tactical?

@bcvpiper8356

3 күн бұрын

@@davewhite756 It's a joke...

For disclosure I am very pro CREC, the Federal Vison people have never been opposed to continued discussion. They still hope that newer pastors in other Presbyterian groups will not be so quick with the extreme reactions. CREC is also very open to various interactions. It's theoretically possible for a Reformed Baptist church to join the CREC.

So excited to watch this

God has to be sitting in heaven shaking his head at us.....

@Michiganman800

2 күн бұрын

Yeah, but that's why he sent his Son.

@nvrprfct9176

Күн бұрын

that implies he's surprised by our behaviour lol

@scriptwriter1268

Күн бұрын

Someone is about to get a Revelation letter. 😂

The pro-life movement should listen to Redeemed Zoomer's attitude of playing the long game and not the short game. If someone is running for a state legislature seat and will support an abortion limit of less than the moment of birth, support him/her.

Another great conversation between you guys!

How does "do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers" fit into this conversation?

Couple of general questions; 1. Are the two Westminster seminaries conservative, liberal, apostate, or whatever? 2. Congrats on getting the amendment changed to the requirement that all ministerial applicants conform to the historical teachings of the Presbyterian Church. Where would one go to find the accepted historical teachings? Thanks.

@mj6493

3 күн бұрын

I'll give this a try. Others can correct me if I get this wrong or leave out too many details. Yes, the Westminster Seminaries are conservative, but there are other seminaries that are committed to the historic Reformed faith. For example, Reformed Theological Seminary (RTS) which has multiple campuses, Covenant Seminary, the official seminary of the PCA, and other seminaries of the smaller Presbyterian Churches like Erskine Seminary of the ARPC or the Reformed Presbyterian Theological Seminary of the RPCNA. Of course, if your goal is to stay within the PCUSA, you can still get a good Reformed education at Princeton even though conservatives may be in a minority. There are also non-Presbyterian seminaries that have a largely conservative student body and faculty and a significant Presbyterian presence. The two schools that most often get mentioned in this category are Fuller Seminary and Gordon-Conwell Seminary. You can still get ordained in the PCUSA from these two seminaries. Sorry if I've missed some other good schools.

@stephengriffin4612

2 күн бұрын

@@mj6493 Very complete response. Thank you for your efforts.

I take exception with RZ's comments about fundamentalism. Either he does not understand historic fundamentalism or he is buying into all of the extra nonsense that has clouded what fundamentalism once stood for! He really needs an education on this matter because if you are not standing on the bedrock of historic fundamentalism, you are basically standing upon NOTHING!

Does he not realize Luther is the Macchen of his day?

Anti-paedo-communion is not based on the visible/invisible church distinction, but rather the minority/majority distinction, or said differently: the transition from childhood to adulthood. The analogy would be the bar mitzvah, where the boy though born into the community now publicly affirms it standing on his own two feet. There are several other problems with paedo-communion, for example: if a 3-year-old is communicated, then can he not also be ex-communicated? Yet what parent would tolerate that? So no, neither our paedo-baptism nor rejection of paedo-communion is based on the visible/invisible distinction.

If that is the minisrty God has called him to, more power to him! It is a noble cause indeed. I would urge the greatest caution and humility as bad theology corrupts good in the most insideous ways. Being the spiritual head of the family is also a huge responsibility that may be impacted by such a ministry. I am all for not conceding ground to the enemy, but I will not have my children attending a church that teaches heresies. I love my PCA church and am grateful to have witnessed the amazing work God has used us for over the last 25 years in our community. Learning YEC and TULIP in Sunday school is a much better foundation than the initialisms they would get at the USA church.

Is that Hans Fiene singing?

@ConversationswithaCalvinist

3 күн бұрын

Yep! Hans wrote and performed the song :)

I belong to the Church, the Bride of Christ. It's a spiritual building.

Organizations do not matter. If you ordain women you reject what the Bible directly states. If you do that you cannot really claim to be following God's command. You are not conservative.

That's hilarious

I like your updated gospel message a little better it this video. It is more boiled down in my opinion.

I have it on good sources he is starting his own denomination, zoomerism. The first zoomerist Presbyterian reformed Church at 1123 is the name they are considering. You can trust me as a KZread commenter that is what is being discussed behind closed doors.

@leullakew9579

Күн бұрын

😂😂😂

RZ at Zoom discussing Doom and Groom

I dont think his plan will work ussually if you give someone an inch they take a mile. I think alot of these liberal pastors need to get saved and out of lgbt affirming churches or fix the one they have. Didnt know that much about federal vision appreciate that discussion!

As a PCA member PCUSA = Methodist. The fact that he claims that PCA boast on their members growing and he states that doesn't depict the church's health, he's crazy. The fact that PCA believe in Sola Scriptora is the reason why the PCA is growing.

I have a hunch this will result into another split ala the UMC and GMC over the same issue. You merely delayed the inevitable

Just my 2 cents, but any denomination that ordains women to be ministers of word and sacrament are not conservative.

As I listened to the conversation I just kept hearing the terms liberal and conservative. Why don’t we call it what it is, churches that hold to sound Biblical Doctrine and churches that teach unsound Biblical doctrine plus heresy. Anyone that teaches that Jesus Christ didn’t come to earth in human form, was scourged, mocked, crucified on the Cross where He died physically as a human being then put in the tomb then the most important part was raised from the dead via the Resurrection is committing heresy. As far as conduct, embracing and accepting the practice of sexual sin is like crucifying Jesus Christ all over again. The Bible is quite clear as far as sins like homosexuality or this whole trans gender movement which is like a cancer in a church body. This is where a strong Bible believing pastor is needed and the leading of the Holy Spirit to call people to repentance in Jesus Christ’s Name. It’s not complicated but pastors need to take a hard stand and not be afraid of losing money from the reprobates.

Wow the very first line of the podcast shows why we need the Catholic Church to present to us the infallible list of fundamentals

Cool

A denomination that supports worship practices that go against what is made clear in God's word, is not conservative, it's just one of the many faces of progressivism. Period.

No the CREC is not Presbyterian in origin nor in its organic structure. The Patriarch was self-ordained. Their McPresbyteries do not ordain nor even approve ministers in a binding way.

Does RZ hate on baptists on his channel just to troll them/us/me?

@redeemedzoomer6053

3 күн бұрын

there's not a single denomination I don't hate on at some point

@jacobgrubb6601

3 күн бұрын

@@redeemedzoomer6053 fair and valid point lol

@1001thhill

3 күн бұрын

I love an equal opportunity hater 😂 ​@@redeemedzoomer6053

@1001thhill

3 күн бұрын

​@@redeemedzoomer6053💯 same here

@toolegittoquit_001

3 күн бұрын

​@@redeemedzoomer6053Oh, that's not an uplifting, click-seeking post 🤦🏻

Zoomer talking about the mess of how the fundamentalists are, I’m glad i went Catholic. Sure we have problems. But we have a foundation laid out and we stay and fight.

@leullakew9579

Күн бұрын

Even though Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, and the Church of the East have a lot of hierarchy, centralized structure, stricter rules and procedures, and believe in the “one true church” doctrine, many of them, even some of their priests are just overtly “Cafeteria Catholics”/Nominally Orthodox (who are very nominal or only culturally Catholic/Orthodox), or even Folk Catholic/Folk Orthodox, some aren’t really devout Christians even by their own Catholic/Orthodox standards thus creating a huge variation in beliefs and huge deviation from core Christian tenants of the faith among individuals that are supposed to be shared by all true (Mainstream-Nicene) Christians regardless of denomination even though on paper there are strict outlines of dogma & hierarchy. While Evangelicals are very decentralized, believe “in essentials unity, in nonessentials liberty, in all things charity,” and put a higher emphasis on understanding and living out correct Christian teaching as opposed to obsessing over structure and hierarchy like Catholics do; so people who have wonky and unorthodox beliefs when it comes to primary issues tend to leave because in Evangelicalism there’s no point in staying (for the exception of non-Christian Republicans/political conservatives in the United States who don’t go to church & are stealing/co-opting the term for political reasons in collusion with secular media who want to fit their boogymen into neat boxes) because by definition you can’t be an Evangelical or a Christian if you no longer hold to those beliefs; Catholicism, Eastern/Oriental Orthodoxy, and Mainline Protestantism are the opposite, Catholics/Orthodox who don’t hold to Catholic/Orthodox beliefs or even basic Christian beliefs are guilt-tripped into staying and are encouraged to stay because a baptized Catholic/Orthodox is still a Catholic/Orthodox even if they no longer believe in the tenants of the faith - most stay because simply being in the Catholic Church or the Orthodox Churches is more important than upholding Catholic/Orthodox or even broadly Christian beliefs. … … A similar occurrence also happens in Mainline Protestant denominations not because they believe in the “one true church” doctrine (which they don’t), it’s because Mainline Protestant denominations are ready and willing to bend their core beliefs via theological liberalism/theological progressivism to maintain membership, plus (some also obsess over maintaining power/hierarchy as opposed to maintaining biblically orthodox theology and) many maintain membership and participate in church practices (like Baptism, Confirmation, etc.) solely for social and cultural reason even if they don’t believe in the tenets of the faith.

@elKarlo

Күн бұрын

@@leullakew9579 those are all very true criticisms of apostolic churches. But that does not really address the issue at hand. For instance you do have a lot of Catholics who do not know anything about the Catholic faith. That is very true. But those Catholics are not driving church doctrine. They are also not causing schism. Nor are they the cause or the reason behind having three different conservative Presbyterian denominations in the USA. Yes we all have issues, But a lot of the protestant issues are of constant infighting and becoming their own denomination

No sound?

@ConversationswithaCalvinist

3 күн бұрын

Try now. Sometimes the first few minutes it’s still processing.

@jonathanclemens4660

3 күн бұрын

👌

Why was there no discussion about how can they as a Church come to an infallible ruling on what is God’s Truth in these issues????? Jesus started a Church with authority for this very reason.

No, Richard. A pastor who affirms LGBTQI is anathema. Another gospel. You need to repent. That is nonsense.

I must require puberty before I will even consider the words of a 20 something. And no, he is no Timothy 😬

'Conservative' but believes in 'evolution' ? That's a nope from me dawg

Reconquista is such a waste of time. 😮‍💨

This is why Christian's shouldn't be beholden to a denomination.

@dman7668

3 күн бұрын

I am sure that's exactly why Christ established an institutional Church government that consisted of the Apostles and Saint Peter who then went on to appoint their own bishops and all that. It sounds almost like you are indeed subject to some instituonal Church when we see that was how the Church understood it from day one.

@geraldhill7547

3 күн бұрын

Yea right, Jesus railed on the corrupt Jews, wouldn't tell the apostles who was greatest, then appointed one to be High Priest 😂

@dman7668

3 күн бұрын

@geraldhill7547 Jesus wasn't against authority. He was the authority, this is a misunderstanding people make. He clearly puts the apostles in charge and historical writings from the early Church prove that beyond reasonable doubt. Your view of a rudderless church never happened..someone is definitely in charge.

@geraldhill7547

3 күн бұрын

@@dman7668 That someone is Christ. Today's internet and literacy rates are all a part of God's plan. The churches are losing people daily because of the world creeping in but Christ is online and the holy spirit is within us. Have a Blessed day 🙏

*The 5 points of CALVINISM summarized:* *1.* "God" in his sovereignty creates 100 souls that hate him, totally depraved although they bear his image. *2.* Before giving them life, he lovingly chooses 96 to be in hell forever. *3.* In his infinite mercy he sends “His Son” to die for the other 4 that remain. Those whom he has chosen, because he is sovereign, because he wants to. *4.* "God", with great love, forces the 4 to believe in his “Son”. *5* Finally, two of them finished the race well, one ended up tied to pornography and another, getting entangled in sin, ended up worse than he was. But “God” forces them all to enter in Heaven. If God says that He has died for all, *it is that He has died for ALL:* *Isaiah 53:6* ; *John 1:29* ; *John 3:16,17* ; *John 4:42* ; *2 Corinthians 5:14,15* ; *Romans 5:18* ; *1 Timothy 2:6* ; *1 Timothy 4:10,11* ; *Titus **2:11* ; *1 John 2:2* ; *John 12:47* ; *1 John 4:14* ; *Hebrews 2:9* …etc Let us be very very careful, lest we be found liars before God.

@Jordankulbeck

Күн бұрын

Sin is not a thing though it has consequences. We cannot say God created something that doesn’t exist.

@nvrprfct9176

Күн бұрын

how do you square that belief with what romans 9 says? "does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use? What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction? And He did so to make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory" romans 9:21-23 (please read the whole chapter though)

@elsamusoy

Күн бұрын

@@nvrprfct9176 how do you square calvinism with the whole Bible and the loving, merciful and patience character of God?

@PurePuritan

Күн бұрын

​@@elsamusoyonly makes sense w chadvinism bro

@nvrprfct9176

Күн бұрын

@@elsamusoy not a response. please interpret romans 9 through your framework. If your framework cannot account for something in scripture like romans 9, it can't be a valid framework. that doesn't mean calvinism is true, it just means your framework is false.