The difference between the first and the second season is staggering

@danielchequer5842

Жыл бұрын

After watching season one I was hyped for a second one. After watching season two I'm really hoping there's not a third... Season two was just cringe. I was expecting some historical distortion but they threw historical fidelity completely out the window

@velorn8927

Жыл бұрын

Yes if they had improved in 2nd season this show could have been one of the most popular but i dont think there will even be a second season now and the writers and producers must know it

@ArkusVI

Жыл бұрын

Typical Netflix.

@OptimusMaximusNero

Жыл бұрын

To be honest, I think the show was already terrible from the beginning. People just loved it at first because of the use of latin, but the story was basically a piece of garbage where the characters who are good people are perfect beings and those who are bad people are completely monstruos. Not even the sword and sandal films from the 60s had a so superficial conflict

@mbattalionenjoyer5162

Жыл бұрын

I mostly agree with The Last Caesar. Season 1 was only good because of the Latin and the aesthetics. The story was pretty mediocre and I didn’t like how they portrayed the Battle of Teutoburg Forest.

Season 2 was a cash grab because they didn't expect season 1 to do so well. Historically, it's all down hill after the 1st season.

@RomabooRamblings

Жыл бұрын

They always leave possibility of a sequel open. I think they hinted at it showing the rider with Varus' head in the end.

@danielchequer5842

Жыл бұрын

Who could've guessed when you make an accurate historical show it gets positive atention

I just glad we got a show where the Romans speak in Latin but it a bit distracting that the German is very contemporary. I have not seen Season 2 yet.

@roach590

Жыл бұрын

season 2 really is one of the seasons of all time

@danielchequer5842

Жыл бұрын

Don't watch it buddy. They have a black woman on the middle of germania who hates rome bc they sacked carthage... 200 years before the battle of teutoburg and talks about it like it was last year

@Pan_Z

Жыл бұрын

It's understandable modern German is used. That era's German isn't entirely known to us, and it's already admirable the show uses genuine Latin.

@Pan_Z

Жыл бұрын

@@danielchequer5842 That's like a modern American hating the British for burning down Washington DC in the War of 1812.

@stevemiddleton5278

Жыл бұрын

@Pan Z Ha ha. They use German only because it fits their German nationalist agenda lol. I guess the show they're going to do next is to incite German nationalism in Austria, Luxembourg, Switzerland, South Tyrol, and Liechtenstein by portraying the Anschluss as a big hug from the Germanic Brotherhood. Germans are now too drunk on international flattery because outsiders don't know how the EU works. So they think that Germany has completed the impossible task of unifying almost all of Europe.

One of the things that I remember hearing about the ambush at Tuetoberg was that the Roman army's march made it several kilometres long. If the troops at the back got ambushed, the troops at the front... wouldn't know about it. They wouldn't hear it, or see it. You mention it's three days long, and I remember that notion of just how big it was, and therefore how you'd have had to chip away at it. We think of ambushes as being quick and decisive. I don't think we ever conceive of just how something like Teutoberg would work because it's not common to our conceptions and portrayals in media. I don't even know how you'd do it, realistically.

@cmur078

Жыл бұрын

I think it would have been worth trying. When have we ever seen a three-day ancient battle on screen?

@olorin3815

Жыл бұрын

Its not that they wouldnt know about it they could pass the word along fairly quickly probably its just that there isnt a whole lot they can do about it

@randomlygeneratedname7171

Жыл бұрын

@@olorin3815 Easy abandon formation and go Free for all! Rush into the woods and give them hell boys better than nothing.

@olorin3815

Жыл бұрын

@@randomlygeneratedname7171 i mean thats what happened probably but doesnt work well while you are being ambudhed lol and romans dpecialty is fighting in formation they lose mucj of their effectivnes outside it. Also keep in mind romans are stretched out in a long ass line where the germans can just concentrate at certain points cut sections off and murder them before moving on and repeat

@nicmagtaan1132

Жыл бұрын

You can get 3 main shots of one part of the army in chaos, one who has no idea they stopped and the rest is normal

The part where Varus says "there is no Germanic law, only roman law" lives rent fucking free in my head. Also, their Latin sounded dope. IDC if it's not authentic, it sounded cool and hey, they tried their best! As for the second season...yeah! That shit was ,shit! Couldn't even watch past episode 2...

It's interesting to find out that Segestes may have been more of a principled objector to Arminius' rebellion. The show really made me think he was a conniver, or mainly driven by self-interest. I wonder if there was a genuine ideological split, or at the very least a discussion between the German nations over whether they valued their independence or thought it was better to enter the Roman fold.

Short answer Yes Long answer No

@Michael_De_Santa-Unofficial

Жыл бұрын

Correct.

What I like about the battle scene is that it depicts Germanic warriors using some wrestling moves which holds true to Ringen and Rangeln traditions in Germanic cultures and fits historical Roman sources describing Germanics as "fighting with their bodies" which could indeed be interpreted as them practicing some forms of martial arts (read some years ago about "staf" being the name of a supposedly Germanic martial arts form though I am not sure about their credibility and wether it is not more of a nationalistic fantasy)

I couldn’t get passed the first episode of the first season. Between the girl boss and the mustache twirling Romans who take all the village’s food. Yeah, it’s about as much as I expect outta Netflix and German production.

@powerist209

Жыл бұрын

Also I thought Season 2 would be tragedy where Germanicus destroyed his alliance and his reputation with Segestes betraying him. Also maybe his evil brother Flavus.

@LannisterFromDaRock

Жыл бұрын

Same here. I watched rome 8 times (yes, l did) but stoped after episode 2. If S1 is regarded as good, I don't want to see what they say about S2. The only thing I really liked about Barbarians were the latin speeches.

@gadpivs

9 ай бұрын

The girl boss thing is dumb, but as for the rest: "Varus's name and deeds were well known beyond the empire because of his ruthlessness and crucifixion of insurgents. While he was feared by the people, he was highly respected by the Roman Senate. " "The Romans were mostly interested in conquering areas that had a high degree of self-sufficiency which could provide a tax base for them to extract from. Most of Germania Magna did not have the higher level of urbanism at this time as in comparison with some Celtic Gallic settlements, which were in many ways already integrated into the Roman trade network in the case of southern Gaul. In a cost/benefit analysis, the prestige to be gained by conquering more territory was outweighed by the lack of financial benefits accorded to conquest.[86][87]" "After his return from Rome, Arminius became a trusted advisor to Varus,[30] but in secret he forged an alliance of Germanic peoples that had traditionally been enemies. These probably included the Cherusci,[22] Marsi,[22] Chatti,[22] and Bructeri.[22] These were some of the fifty Germanic tribes at the time.[31] Using the collective outrage over Varus' tyrannous insolence and wanton cruelty to the conquered,[32] Arminius was able to unite the disorganized groups who had submitted in sullen hatred to the Roman dominion, and maintain the alliance until the most opportune moment to strike.[33]" People don't nail enemy hands to trees and drown them in lakes because they were invited to a tea party.

Wish we got more shows like this (with the quality and authenticity of season 1). Seriously history itself is full of incredible events/larger than life figures. The director/writers wouldn't even need to make shit up, just follow the historical events and that's it. Better stories than anyone could make up.

Honestly I think stirrups were probably used for the actors safety.

German nationalism? I wasn't aware that was allowed in the Current Year. :D Great video, thanks!

Bruh do you actually make a decent living from these videos? I love your channel, just curious if it s something i should try seriously too

@RomabooRamblings

Жыл бұрын

The short answer is no, I still work my regular job, but it's not impossible. You can message me on discord, if you want more details.

Overall a decently historically accurate though unfair against my man Segestes Postscriptum when will part two be out I can't wait to see you sink your teeth into that shambles

@RomabooRamblings

Жыл бұрын

Won't take more than a week, mb earlier

Do Sky Atlantic's Domina next! It covers the life of Augustus' wife Livia Drusilla.

I like the use of CK3 music in the video, I think it’s the soundtracks from northern lords?

@RomabooRamblings

9 ай бұрын

yup. I have the track names in the description

It’s funny how Romaboos around the world held the 1st season in such high regard despite it depicting one of Rome’s greatest tragedies. Only for the G*rms to cope and seethe when it came time for them to get btfo’d.

@HorrorUberAlles

Жыл бұрын

Dovahhatty has taught me everything there is to know about the G*rms.

@laisphinto6372

Жыл бұрын

red flags when they depicted the civilized german as a coward despite actually him argueing with Arminius about Roman greatness and wanting to fight the traitor in a duel which he of course declined .

@gadpivs

9 ай бұрын

And yet the Romans could do absolutely nothing to stop the onslaught on all sides from hordes of Germans fleeing the Huns, from the Alemanni near Switzerland, to the Franks near the Rhine, to the Visigoths who wrecked the city in 410 after just strolling in unopposed on their way to Spain, something that literally caused the population to gasp in shock, because that just wasn't supposed to happen. The Ostrogoths then made Rome their bitch and inherited the entire empire after literally half a millennium of all the tribes being a thorn in its side, followed by the Lombards who were welcomed by the citizens with open arms to deal with the disorder of the increasingly degenerate Roman elites, whom the citizens despised quite passionately by this point for their complete disinterest in the welfare of the people. Who ran the Holy Roman Empire again? Sicilians? lol.

They put a KWEEN in the german army A KWEEN

@HorrorUberAlles

Жыл бұрын

How do you say "WE WUZ GERMANS AND SHIT" in German? 🤣

@stayunknown3421

Жыл бұрын

@@HorrorUberAlles ALTER ICH SCHWÖR WIR WAREN DEUTSCHE BRUDER

@DogeickBateman

Жыл бұрын

@@stayunknown3421 DAS IST RICHTIG!!!!!!!!! WIR SIND KONIGE UND SCHEISSE

I for the most part enjoyed the first season, the finial battle irked me a little but otherwise it was enjoyable enough, unfortunately, the same can not be said about the second season, I was shouting at the tv by the fifth episode.

Damn even the Germans confirm that they were mudhutters

Thanks for this fair review. I was looking forward to season 2 was a woke cash in. The vengeance raids and basing operations, plus personalities would provide enough, but sadly it wasn't to be. An black African woman crying in Germany about something that happened 200 years before her is a bit odd. In fact, it's hard to think of a more cringeworthy insert. The Carthaginians were in origin Levantine and dwelled in North Africa, Spain or wherever they placed their cities. They were not, or at most very rarely (North Africa has a few) sub-Saharan Africans. It was a problem, but only one of many. Anyhow, the central problem was that while 1 was good, 2 was irredeemably bad (unless it was to get a genius re-edit, which has rescued some films like Kingdom of Heaven). It's like this Gaumont production got the Netflix original curse.

the real Thusnelda had brown hair!

I didn’t realize season 2 had come out but I guess I won’t be watching it

Season 1? Some (even big) mistakes but still historically accurate. Season 2? One of the greatest disgraces ever, on the same level as Netflix-Cleopatra regarding historical falsifications, what saved them from controversy is that there is no "black/white" issue.

Season one was overall impressive historically and in delivery. Season 2 was an abomination in the first regard and much weaker in the second, a great disappointment...Looking forward to the next video, many thanks.

I was actually looking forward to watching the show someday. But if Season 2 is really that horrendous then I might just pass

@ycasto1063

Жыл бұрын

It feels like that they didnt expect season 1 to be so successful and didnt plan to continue the story. I'd recommend the first season and treat it as a finished story.

@iDeathMaximuMII

Жыл бұрын

@@ycasto1063 Gotcha. I hope that if there is a Season 3, then maybe they try to undo or fix alot of their mistakes in Season 2

I could say the first is more historically accurate than the second, if not for the barbarians speaking modern day German to one another, that continued up to the second season. And how the hell did some African tribes end up in Germania?! Man, Netflix can't catch a break. It seems like they were holding their breaths to not include woke sht on Season 1 but decided to fck it and go all out om Season 2...

@0deepak

Жыл бұрын

What woke stuff?

@sickfvckkkkk

Жыл бұрын

@@0deepak Black people randomly in 1st century Germany.

@0deepak

Жыл бұрын

@@sickfvckkkkk So one person existing is what ruined the whole show for you?

@sickfvckkkkk

Жыл бұрын

@@0deepak Well that and how atrocious the second season was in general. If Mansa Musa was a white guy or if white people were somehow deep in the Congo before the advent of modern medicine it would be equally as tacky and stupid.

@0deepak

Жыл бұрын

@@sickfvckkkkk She is a minor side character and they gave us a backstory on how she ended up there. 2) The opposite does happen a lot and yet we don’t see people like you complaining. 3) Your comment got hidden because you included skin color.

Lol when I saw Arminius get captured I stopped watching.

One major inacurracy is that they portrayed Arminius and as a Roman regular legionary officer, not the Auxiliary cavalry officer he was.

@Monsieur_E

Жыл бұрын

Huh? Didn't Arminius say he's the prefect of the auxiliary🤔

to be frank the actual history is better, but they want to make the Romans the villains and that's where the reason for the differences in the narrative

Netflix's "Barbarians" is more historically accurate than HBO's "Rome" series, in particular their depiction of politics. "Rome" gives a very biased version of what happened, ignoring the politics of the majority of people: i.e. the slaves and lower class free people. Rome's lower classes supported Julius Caesar because Julius Caesar enacted many policies that benefitted them. Most of Rome's upper class people were against Julius Caesar because his politics benefitted the lower classes by reducing the wealth & power of the upper classes. For a more accurate depiction than "Rome", of the politics of the late Roman Republic, I recommend the TV series "Spartacus", or Michael Parenti's book "The Assassination of Julius Caesar: A People's History of Ancient Rome". Here's a video introduction to the topic: kzread.info/dash/bejne/kX2Dwa6dnpWuZNI.html

@Schwachsinnn

Жыл бұрын

Don’t mention the series Spartacus when it comes to historical accuracy, just don’t. Also in all honesty Germanics were depicted too primal and especially in second season romans are depicted far too snobby.

@jilhaneyisaiahdanielb.8878

Жыл бұрын

@@Schwachsinnn Barbarians season 2: Segestes was beheaded after solding out Thusnelda and the way he was decapitated was hilarious.

Sorry but I found this TV drama to drag, I skipped to the last episode to watch the battle, that was all I needed.

I'd definitely say the worst part of the series (both seasons) is Segestes. Why wasn't he killed at the end of season 1 blows my mind, he's so awful and boring. Spoilers for season 2 regarding him, his final words sums up how awful his character is and just how badly he dragged the show down.

Second season was so bad even taking out historical context it was just horrible

Thank God I've finally found more people who don't like the show. Most of the reviews I have found on webs largely praise it just because the Romans speak Latin, completely ignoring how utterly melodramatic, clichéd, and superficial the story is, not to mention its obvious SJW and German-nationalist overtones. The show "I, Claudius" did a far better job depicting the conflict (even though it never shows it) from the point of view of Augustus and his family

I absolutely loathe this show. Everything was just so cliche and predictable and spewing with modern era style story telling.

When I saw a black woman in the second season trailer, I decided not to watch it. Forcing again Neflix woke bullshit propaganda at the viewer.

@ToniDelgadoAbellan

9 ай бұрын

Read your first sentencw again - you might be racist

no... this is not accurate in any way..... not even close....