This channel is criminally underappreciated.

@burgess_and_his_bike

22 күн бұрын

Brother, it’s shit like this that keeps me going. I appreciate you. Spread the gospel if you can. Certainly wouldn’t hate you for it.

props to not ignoring the nitty gritty politics about MyWhoosh, and giving your honest thoughts and review

@burgess_and_his_bike

21 күн бұрын

Thanks mate. Thought a lot about this script but I don’t think you can explore MyWhoosh without discussing that first. The greatest thing about the app is the price (or lack of one) and there’s a reason behind that which I think you need to consider.

I talked with someone at whoosh. Since the Zwift price increase, they have had a record influx. Not surprised.

@burgess_and_his_bike

2 күн бұрын

Yeah no surprises there mate. Already the world looks more populated, and with that new update it’s looking really good.

Nice timing on this vid my friend. Plenty of us considering our sanity as we line up to pay $30 for Zwift's video game. Like you say, the barrier to entry for indoor training is the trainer itself which already sets us back a grand. Why am I paying so much on top of that?! To their credit, the marketers at Zwift have created a sticky product and leaving all those levels and people behind will be hard at first. I've set it up, just need to jump across now. Appreciate you covering the tough stuff in this video 💪

@burgess_and_his_bike

19 күн бұрын

Thanks buddy. The timing was intentional. My last video was on Rouvy and next week IndieVelo. I’m making the switch because, with twins under two and my mortgage coming off Covid level fixed interest I’m going to be cutting back where I can. Figured if I’m struggling with the morality of MyWhoosh it’s probably a good angle. Looks I was right.

Thanks for this, matey. Been questioning my use of zwift for a while, especially with the increase in price and i don't race, nor do i do the social stuff either. It's the training, and something to look at rather than different coloured blocks with watt numbers under it. It looks like mywhoosh will be just the thing for me.

@burgess_and_his_bike

6 күн бұрын

Yep, MyWhoosh has you covered my friend

Big update from MyWhoosh today when I ran it on my AppleTV4k. New courses including California which was pretty good (although I only touched the surface of it) and another UAE themed one plus some new graphics options and other stuff. Surprised at the speed new roads are being rolled out but maybe that's easier than bug fixing. Still nothing the size of Zwift's Watopia but then that took ages to get where it is today. Still feels like lots of the riders are bots but it is quite hard to be sure.

@burgess_and_his_bike

5 күн бұрын

Yep, updated on my laptop. Tried this thing called outdoor cycling today so I haven’t played around with it but will be back on tomorrow. Keen to get my zwift profile rolled over.

This app looks pretty damn sick. Hopefully it’s still free in winter. Don’t really feel like paying new Zwift prices since I’m only an occasional user.

@burgess_and_his_bike

18 күн бұрын

It should be mate. Seems to be their firm position.

My zwift subscription runs out in January. MyWoosh already on the Apple TV for the few times my wife borrows my Kickr bike. It looks quite good and rather sure I’ll be switching in the new year.

@burgess_and_his_bike

21 күн бұрын

Yep, just test the Apple TV app. All of this was done on my computer so I could also capture footage. I now can’t get the Apple TV app to work 😓

Well here it is, the mywhoosh video that i was waiting for. Now, as someone who mainly rides indoors for training and follows a structured training plan (who just wants to track vanity miles) mywhoosh and indievelo are more than enough for me

@burgess_and_his_bike

19 күн бұрын

IndieVelo coming this week brother. Do you have a coach or are you using the MyWhoosh plans?

@hucklejoko4838

19 күн бұрын

@@burgess_and_his_bike I made my own patterned after empiricalcycling and Dylan Johnson's plans. it's great that you can create workouts in app too so I don't necessarily have to remember what I'm doing

The quality of zwift is so much more alive. Plus it's actually a game with collectibles and things to research. It's worth paying for in my opinion. Although I understand why this price increase rubbed some people wrong.

@burgess_and_his_bike

18 күн бұрын

I agree that the product that Zwift has is the best. I just don’t think that’s even up for debate. The question is whether you see the value that zwift brings being worth the price, and for me the answer is no now. Should the economy stop shitting itself that may change, but I don’t see that happening any time soon.

@jamesmckenzie3532

18 күн бұрын

​@@burgess_and_his_bike It costs real money to keep Zwift alive. Nothing like the buckets of money the UAE Government is pouring into MyWhoosh. It Zwift had a major corporation or government behind it, we would be screaming to the Heavens. Thus, they had to raise their subscription price just to stay alive. Might backfire and kill them in the end. Add there are features coming soon that users asked for, I'm sticking around. As to MyWhoosh, hard stop nope. I'm not buying "sports washing". I believe in and fought for Freedom.

@lewmishmiles9469

16 күн бұрын

Once you’ve got all the warm and fuzzies on Zwift then what? That’s when it becomes a bore. How many times can you ride around watopia and pay for it? I left Zwift two weeks ago and only use Rouvy and MyWhoosh now.

@burgess_and_his_bike

16 күн бұрын

Fair enough mate. I think I’m pretty clear in my belief that Zwift is the superior platform. As for fighting for freedom, choice is freedom.

I personally like paying a sub fee for this sort of game, it usually means a higher quality game. The problem with zwift is the money seems to not go back into the game but into trying to make hardware and sponsoring things instead of more functionality for clubs meetups and the social side which is its strength. Or a training plan/calender that lets you use zwift racing with structured workouts.

@burgess_and_his_bike

19 күн бұрын

Yeah I agree with you mate, they’re focused on making the game a titan instead of focusing on actually building the game. I feel Zwift have gotten lazy of late and take their subscribers for granted, which is the main reason for this series. Competition would force Zwift to come to the table.

Zwifts latest price increase made me cancel, need somethin new for next winter untill then I'll be usung me garmin watch suggested workouts

@burgess_and_his_bike

22 күн бұрын

Yeah MyWhoosh has some pretty good workouts but I’m with you r.e. Price increase.

@Cableguy72

18 күн бұрын

Also cancelling so testing things at the moment. If you're not both bothered about pretending you've got friends online and just want to ride rouvy is pretty good and a more reasonable price for what you get. Indievelo isn't a million miles away from being very usable for free either.

You sound like a Victorian slowly waking up

@burgess_and_his_bike

21 күн бұрын

I honestly have no idea what to make of this comment brother, but I’m a New South Welshman and I’m always slowly waking up.

CADEN Carbon wheels luvs a bit of the Burgs

@burgess_and_his_bike

22 күн бұрын

Burgs loves CADEN Carbon Wheels. It’s great when love is mutual

Peter Kennaugh was on last night when I was doing a couple of the Australia courses.

@burgess_and_his_bike

19 күн бұрын

That’s crazy. Did he rip your legs off?

Im waiting on the Indievelo Review^^ Can you check if its possible to use virtualshifting? for me its a huge plus because we have 3 bikes and different groupsets Sram and Shimano and use the same Trainer

@burgess_and_his_bike

20 күн бұрын

I can ask but I’d need to know what hardware you’re using to signal your virtual shifts. Are you using Zwift remotes? It has the ability to adjust gears to make your hearing harder or easier without actually changing your equipment but I can’t see anything for virtual shifting like what Zwift has with the new kit.

@jasonhurst2491

19 күн бұрын

IV does have virtual shifting, although it's one feature I've never used. Old school sprockets and derailleurs for me and at 100% trainer difficulty/feel/whatevs it's called in IV. 'Cause the tears I cry while climbing help with my dry eyes 🥹 Hopefully the link I posted above works. Chris at The Zommunique does awesome work spreading the good word about all platforms.

@jasonhurst2491

19 күн бұрын

I believe the secret to IV virtual gearing is to pick a relatively easy gear combo with a good chainline as your base. Then use whatever trigger (I think keyboard or any mapped device like USB gaming controller can be used) to change up to harder virtual gears from there. This is best because it's easy to add resistance via the trainer, but difficult to reduce it beyond a certain point (virtually change down to easier gears) because the trainer can't go into negative resistance. Not without a motor to drive your cassette at least.

@kevinb6835

18 күн бұрын

@@burgess_and_his_bike yes i have this zwift click ^^ i could also use a keyboard if it works

Zwift has the one thing the others don't, size of community. More people, more events, more times to ride with others

@burgess_and_his_bike

19 күн бұрын

That’s true, but it didn’t to begin with. If that’s all Zwift has, is it worth paying for? That community can just move.

@EastbayGolfer

13 күн бұрын

@@burgess_and_his_bike The community doesn't move. Ask RGT and all the others. Imagine, you offer a FREE alternative and still can't pull numbers away from Zwift. I've tried them all and keep going back to Zwift. It is just better because I can can ride and race pretty much whenever I want.

Don't know how I landed on this but I'm glad I did. Thumbs up!

@burgess_and_his_bike

17 күн бұрын

Hey thanks brother ❤️

100% agree

@burgess_and_his_bike

22 күн бұрын

Good to hear. Appreciate you buddy

Moved over to mywhoosh last week as the zwift price increase just felt like a 100% money grab. If they had gradually increased the price over time and had actually been providing something worthwhile in return then fair enough but a few new routes and then, wham, a 50% price increase just feels like a lazy way to line their pockets. I mean how hard can it be for the actual zwift developers to create a new route? Lots of pc and console games have free user created mods including whole new maps and visual upgrades etc. Maybe mywhoosh should allow user created mods too. I think that might be a game changer!

@burgess_and_his_bike

18 күн бұрын

Yep, I agree. With Zwift I pay +200 AUD every year for a game. No game is like that. If they can’t make a successful business model selling a game for $200 a year there is an issue with their business that they need to fix. Stop sponsoring the Tour de France and instead focus on this.

@burgess_and_his_bike

18 күн бұрын

Mods would be crazy. I think if you’re going to see that it would be through IndieVelo though.

Great review. I'm trying it out today

@burgess_and_his_bike

9 күн бұрын

Keen to hear what you think. I started an 8 week ftp program this week. So far I’m enjoying it. Check out the one on indieVelo if you’re up for some racing.

@wildlifewithshaun1209

9 күн бұрын

Ummm well I have a new laptop with good specs and it frooze and crashed my laptop and I can't get it to turn back on. I grabbed my old rubbish laptop and zwift ran perfectly so maybe I'll be having to stay with them!

@burgess_and_his_bike

9 күн бұрын

@@wildlifewithshaun1209 MyWhoosh did? You’re kidding me!

@wildlifewithshaun1209

9 күн бұрын

Yeppp. Maybe I'll have another go somewheb

@burgess_and_his_bike

9 күн бұрын

@@wildlifewithshaun1209 I’m sorry to hear it mate. Try out IndieVelo. It won’t crash your laptop.

u make some great points

@burgess_and_his_bike

19 күн бұрын

Thanks mate

I switched like a week or two before Zwift announced their price hikes. For two reasons. One, it's free. Two, I don't have a laptop at the moment and MyWhoosh allows me to create workouts on my phone. The other points you discussed were on point as well. I think the workouts by Kevin Poulton are very well designed. I also like the fact they have a totally flat map and endurance climb map. Great for Z2 or long threshold efforts respectively. The only thing I miss is seeing large groups of people fly by or busier maps. But considering I don't race or participate in group rides it's more of a vibe thing for me anyways. Only reason I haven't cancelled Zwift yet is I want to do their new climb coming out next month. After that Im cancelling. Maaaaybe pick it up for a few months in winter. Have everything I need with this app.

@burgess_and_his_bike

19 күн бұрын

Yeah I am with you that there’s a lack of overall vibe. No chat going on, feels a bit more dead, but overall I think it’s pretty damn good and competes well enough considering it’s a free app. Didn’t know you could make workouts on your phone. That’s pretty cool.

@starlitshadows

19 күн бұрын

@@burgess_and_his_bike yeah it's convenient. And maybe videos like this and Zwift's price hike will help increase the player base.

@burgess_and_his_bike

19 күн бұрын

@@starlitshadows well I’ve been pretty surprised by the videos performance considering the size of my channel so there’s obviously some interest there which is cool. Often it can feel like you have a great idea for a video and it goes nowhere so this has been rewarding. Appreciate all the engagement too. Thanks buddy.

@starlitshadows

19 күн бұрын

@@burgess_and_his_bike yeah I noticed the views. Happy to see it and same to you.

Me too. Am done paying.

@burgess_and_his_bike

20 күн бұрын

I feel ya

Thanks for the honest review. I've been toying with the idea of trying it out too, but I'm also having difficulty reconciling taking advantage of something that comes from a pretty terrible regime. That said, like you said, we're probably a fair whack more harsh in our judgement of Middle Eastern countries- Western countries aren't angels either! Anyway, I really enjoyed the analysis mixed in with a bit of politics! Keep up the good work- I've subscribed.

@burgess_and_his_bike

6 күн бұрын

Appreciate you taking the time to watch. Glad you enjoyed it. I hope it helped 🤙

very honest review.

@burgess_and_his_bike

19 күн бұрын

Thanks mate

Canceled my zwift sub due to the price increase. Thanks for discussing the issues with the app. It's good to go into these things, eyes open. I'll probably still give it a try. I dont think it will change my political opinions on the UAE.

@burgess_and_his_bike

18 күн бұрын

That’s it mate, and as long as you know and are aware of it, you win.

My issue in MyWoosh app is sometimes it crash in the middle of the ride and the ride history is lost and cannot be continued. Tried both using window desktop and iphone app, experience crash on both devices and never tried it again. Imagine riding for about 150km then not saved, feels like the ride didn't happen if it is not on Strava 😭

@burgess_and_his_bike

20 күн бұрын

Mate, I feel your pain. How long ago was this might I ask? I had no issues with the PC app crashing, though 4 rides is a small sample size. I can’t, however, get the Apple TV app to work at all.

@dakalla

19 күн бұрын

Had the same issue on mac os and on iphone. The ride is completely lost, no way to recover. That also messes up your weekly training data.

@sfasto1

19 күн бұрын

Yeah a autosave would be a nice touch..

@sbrusgaard

19 күн бұрын

@@sfasto1 should be fixed in the next version, roling out start of June.

@sfasto1

19 күн бұрын

@@sbrusgaard That's great news.

I did the exact same moral self assessment earlier this year. I only do workouts and the odd race on the trainer so paying for Zwift makes zero sense when this exists for free.

@burgess_and_his_bike

19 күн бұрын

Yep, 100%. Glad it’s not just me 🤙

@kamilkurzynowski3836

Күн бұрын

I'm even tempted to just start using garmin head unit for the same reason. It never tells me to download 1Gb update, which always happens just when I'm trying to squeeze the training into the final waking hour of the day.

@burgess_and_his_bike

Күн бұрын

@@kamilkurzynowski3836 can’t blame you mate. Used to really do my head in on Zwift

Nice that someone finally talks about mywhoosh, good video! But your end comparison is weak. Just say that you accept that you dont know where the kickback for the developers is, and that other people can make their own decisions on whether that's something they want to support that or not. Keep it up!:)

@burgess_and_his_bike

21 күн бұрын

I think it’s a pretty fair comparison, but it is a stretch haha. Thanks for watching the video mate and appreciate you taking the time to comment

Reposting to see if KZread disappears my comment again 😒 Well played mate! 👏 Short, sharp and insightful review of the app and a no bullshit review of where the money comes from and why they do it. I am "that guy" and appreciate that I'm fortunate to be able to make those choices. Also at that age (early 50s) and sufficiently jaded and cynical where I yell at liars and arseholes on the TV as if they can hear me 😂 Can't blame anyone for being drawn to a freebie though and there's a growing racing community in the Virtual Cycling Users group on Facebook. Might be worth a quick note somewhere that there's a MyWoosh Go version as well for older/lower spec hardware. The full fat version can be a rough experience on older hardware from what I've read and heard due to the demanding graphics. The Go version was released recently to broaden the potential user base. And IndieVelo is basically one guy and some friendly assistants. George Gilbert. Worth checking out his background as it, as well as community feedback at each iteration, is why IV is what it is. Agree with the other comment that this channel is an undiscovered gem. Reminds me of the early Francis Cade, but less random 👍

@burgess_and_his_bike

22 күн бұрын

Mate, I don’t know where to begin with this. Firstly, thanks for going to the effort of recommenting. That means a lot. Second, I’m normally that guy too so I appreciate you being that guy. The world needs more of those guys. Finally, thanks so much for the kind words. They mean a lot more than you know.

@mumblecake251

19 күн бұрын

The KZread moderation AI is unfortunately overzealous. Any slightly hinted suggestion of crossing washing machines with sport and your comment gets unceremoniously deleted. Happened to a lot of my comments about myWhoosh on many videos before (let's see how this one fares).

I loved Zwift, but the price increase was too much for me. Enjoying MW a lot tbh

@burgess_and_his_bike

17 күн бұрын

That’s good to hear mate. It does the job and that’s what matters

Love the vid, no BS as always. So I've used mywhoosh and I like it it's clean and simple. Something great about riding Circual Quay surrounded by Arabic banners. Plus links to nearly everything. Onlyne critism of this platform... On pc this needs a dedicated graphics card, I'll be swapping to using this exclusively from phone.

@burgess_and_his_bike

22 күн бұрын

Yep, just doesn’t link to Garmin Connect (ironically) which is disappointing. I have been tipped off to a light version for older hardware. Might be worth a shout.

@burgess_and_his_bike

22 күн бұрын

MyWhoosh Go

I switch to mywhoosh back in December and never looked back

@burgess_and_his_bike

19 күн бұрын

Yeah I can’t blame you. Quality app if it fits your needs

So true, later ZWIFT

@burgess_and_his_bike

15 күн бұрын

Check out the latest one on indieVelo. Might push you in another direction.

Outdoors season is starting. Makes no point to pay for zwift only to use it 2 or 3 times a month. This is a good solution.

@burgess_and_his_bike

19 күн бұрын

Absolutely dude. Heading into winter here, but our winter is like Europe’s spring so glorious conditions to ride. This is a good training option.

Is it on Apple TV?

@burgess_and_his_bike

19 күн бұрын

Look it is, and honestly I should have given that a run before closing the review. I used my laptop so I could capture all the footage in OBS for the video and have since not been able to get the AppleTV app to load at all. Am on IndieVelo this week for Saturday/Sunday’s video so haven’t played around with it too much but it may be shit.

@robg5753

18 күн бұрын

@@burgess_and_his_bike works fine for me on apple tv

it's free but there's too many bots and too many races so there's nobody most of the time. I would prefer a race everyhour to get more people. Now I don't know if it's something about their servers. Same with categories if there is. I used to be on wahoorgt before they cancel it and i thought mywhoosh would be a mx between that and zwift but so far that the lack of category. visibly you upgrade only by doing miles/km but not thanks to the racing rank. The main problem is really races with only one , two or no opponent at all, not even knowing their level and seeing them dropping you from the start.

@burgess_and_his_bike

6 күн бұрын

Yeah you’re supposed to get categorised but I agree. The racing is poor. Like I said, IndieVelo for racing. I find the bots lifelike and can’t tell which ones are and aren’t bots.

Not that anyone asked, but the in game mensage was something like "shut up and Ride"

@burgess_and_his_bike

19 күн бұрын

Haha do you mean the message in another language? I did ignore the microphone function on there which I assume is for team time trials or races, but that would just annoy me if one random dude was heavy breathing into his mic the whole time.

@sbrusgaard

16 күн бұрын

@@burgess_and_his_bikeI have had that in a couple of races. A guy chit chatting, huffing and puffing throughout the race. Quite annoying when I record the races!

I use it because I can't afford zwift ,

@burgess_and_his_bike

19 күн бұрын

I feel you brother. There’s enough bloody subscriptions out there

Ahhh KZread. Seems you've disappeared my comment again. Although comment count says 4 and I only see 2 🤷‍♂️

@burgess_and_his_bike

22 күн бұрын

It’s been doing that to my videos lately. I don’t know what I’m doing wrong but it seems to hate me.

@jasonhurst2491

22 күн бұрын

Seems to be the anti-spam/anti-whateverspeech algorithm going rogue. Has been happening to several channels I follow and is fairly random. Sometimes comments appear days later and sometimes not at all.

@burgess_and_his_bike

22 күн бұрын

@@jasonhurst2491 well I appreciate you helping me overcome it. Thanks champion.

Zwift racing is the nuts and i am happy to pay to do TTTs, ZRL and other races. Having said that if MyWhoosh get the numbers to make racing a thing I may move. You can guarantee that once they have a decent amount of people using it vs Zwift, it will all of a sudden not be free.

@sbrusgaard

19 күн бұрын

Well, they have made several public statements, that it WILL be free forever. So unless they backtrack on that, you may be wrong. 😉

@burgess_and_his_bike

19 күн бұрын

Consider looking at IndieVelo (this weeks video) as well, as racing on that looks crazy

For your introduction, your mind is washed about the countries in the region (GCC to be specific) If you want to know about human right and which countries actually care about people, go and check what every country did during covid, then you know the truth.

@burgess_and_his_bike

12 күн бұрын

Bro you’ve got to be a bit more specific here. I get the feeling you think Covid is a conspiracy though, so I think we’d disagree seeing as I’ve had it three times.

You need at least a low level gaming rig to run this piece of crap, it's far too heavy for most peoples laptops. Please take the time to check system specifications before you bother to install it.

@burgess_and_his_bike

6 сағат бұрын

The standard MyWhoosh app (ex MyWhoosh Go) is what you’d be looking for then. It runs a lighter version.

The MyWhoosh people aren't doing this as a charity. As soon as they get numbers on their platform, they will probably be charging more than Zwift. The Zwift price hike sucks, but I love the racing there...

@sbrusgaard

19 күн бұрын

Unless they backtrack on their recent public statements, MW will stay free forever.

@burgess_and_his_bike

19 күн бұрын

Yeah look it’s a great app. I think Cade Media summed it up well when they said if the hike came with some big improvement or new content, but it’s just paying 1/3 more for the same game.

@burgess_and_his_bike

19 күн бұрын

Which they may… but yeah looks good for now

@Cableguy72

18 күн бұрын

This is marketing budget for the UAE government not a revenue generating stream. The UAE has an extremely big marketing budget and keeping mywhoosh running is a financial blip when compared to their other sports washing ventures.

@burgess_and_his_bike

18 күн бұрын

@@Cableguy72 100% brother

Oh... I assumed everyone knew... it's only free for now... subscriptions will turn up along with riders.

@burgess_and_his_bike

19 күн бұрын

Perhaps. MyWhoosh has very much made it part of their business model that it is free and they will seek revenue streams elsewhere so we shall see.

This looks absolutely abysmal!!!!

@burgess_and_his_bike

19 күн бұрын

I reckon that’s a little bit of hyperbole mate.

People are mostly just virtue signaling all the time. Like a woman I know that went on the climate strike 🪧 protest and then the next weekend she flew London to go shopping with her girlfriends 👯‍♀️. That’s when I stopped crusading and just said F it. I’m not dying on that hill. Soccer is also full of clubs with sponsors with dubious sponsorships, other sports too. People are selfish and most are not willing to suffer any discomfort for doing something better for society or the planet 🌎. I also knew this woman who was very concerned about the environment, but then drove to the gym to run 🏃 on a treadmill! I said: you live in a very safe neighborhood, why don’t you just go running outside? No answer. I got a lot of other examples too like nobody cared about the Olympics that’s now mainly being hold in totalitarian regimes. Still everyone is watching it. So I’m now on MyWhoosh too.

@burgess_and_his_bike

20 күн бұрын

I think it’s important to have your morals, but setting boundaries that you can stick to is important, as well as not making senseless protests. What annoys me is people that share instagram stories about issues and then don’t do anything about it. I get what you mean r.e. Sport. In Australia a lot of our clubs are sponsored by gambling companies, which I disagree with, but I still watch the sport. I think with MyWhoosh so long as you’re aware and don’t fall into the trap of thinking these guys are philanthropists you are getting something for free. I think you win then.