The talk about realistic dps was amazing. I’m big on outputting the most dps but I’ve been used to constant ammo crates in onslaught but like you said it’s easy to dump your whole mag and not have anything else unless someone running ceno. even then, it won’t fill your mag for envious bait if you need to.

Anyone else think tizzle has become a new Ehroar? Our new damage tester and build making guy but actually in hard content instead of ONLY normal lost sectors. I like both guys but Ehroar hasn't posted in quite a while and Tizzle is doing great at a similar role :)

@Kylehels

2 ай бұрын

what happened to Ehroar

@BrockPurdysBurner13

2 ай бұрын

@@Kylehelssomeone people say he’s dead, but i don’t believe it

@SlongestKongest

2 ай бұрын

​@@BrockPurdysBurner13he jus doesn't upload much anymore bro isn't dead

@Stereo-hb2lo

2 ай бұрын

Pretty sure Ehroar just streams, or could be taking a break from content creation and just doing real life things

@scalf_

2 ай бұрын

Cept ehroar hyped every single build he made with “best [insert built here] ever!!”

Its not optimal damage but it is consistent damage and thats why im glad this loadout is back

@Mrdood999

2 ай бұрын

Good for solo dungeon runs if you struggle with other optimal loadouts. I might use this for Ghosts of the Deep final boss tbh. I hate that witch.

@elgermin519

2 ай бұрын

@@Mrdood999 good luck hitting the boss witb anarchy tho

@Mrdood999

2 ай бұрын

@@elgermin519 Yeeeee... it moves so damn much. Reason why I hate it. I'll make it work.

@elgermin519

2 ай бұрын

@@Mrdood999 for my solo flawless run I used xenophage. Trust me, really easy to use and gets the job done pretty well. Gonna take a lot of damage phases regardless

@Mrdood999

2 ай бұрын

@@elgermin519 That's true. Might do that tbh. It just sucks to have to hunt for heavy ammo so much, but ease of use might just work out better.

technically the most meta roll for mountaintop is hard launch implosion rounds as it does a mind boggling 23 more damage, than spike...

@DashieFan5

2 ай бұрын

23 extra damage in PvP 😮 23 extra damage in PvE 😒

@knayvik

2 ай бұрын

destiny 2 players losing 0.06% dmg 🤯

@Fxde-fv9fb

2 ай бұрын

@@knayvik MY OPTIMAL DPS!!

@hypoii

2 ай бұрын

@@knayviktime to spend 400 hours farming for it, spike unusable now

Some great points made in this video. I greatly enjoy theorycrafting damage for multiple situations and for different players in my clan, because it’s all so nuanced. One player might be insanely consistent with complex damage rotations and can pull off izi swaps consistently, while another might be incapable of getting a single white nail proc in full whisper reserves. Coming up with realistic loadouts that you can execute on reliably is super important and I’m glad to see you bringing attention to this.

@bob-859

2 ай бұрын

Note: this is also why div is still extremely good. It turns potentially punishing damage strats like whisper or retrofit into menaces.

For legend onslaught I’ve been using mountain top (auto loading + recombination), indebted kindness (lead from gold + voltshot) and anarchy. So good with ads and DPS (ran on Orpheus Hunter)

Another thing I like about Anarchy/Mountaintop… no crits required lol

bro is just casually flexing on us with THAT roll on his wilderflight

Good video on a topic I don't think get's talked about enough - optimal vs consistent. The Speed guys like Llama and Ageis do excellent work covering optimal set ups, but I like to see the Solo guys like yourself covering the consistency side of things. I find it more useful for how I play end game.

@bolotniy

2 ай бұрын

check out chablo 91

Long time watcher, first time subscriber. You do a way better job than others in providing objective assessments and practical advice for most content ppl care about. Keep it coming!

@itztizzle

2 ай бұрын

Thank you!

Opitmal dps is exactly that, optimal, under the perfect conditions and everything has to go as planned. For 99% of players this is almost impossible to have consistantly. For me, consistant and reliable but still powerful damage will always win

@elgermin519

2 ай бұрын

Good for you bud

@jakewhite2600

2 ай бұрын

It depends on the boss because if you’re going into master ir yut not bringing the best dps just consistent dps it’s a great way to get asked to leave. Consistency is great but not in all situations

@Olgod2004

2 ай бұрын

Yeahhhhh but like mountaintop isn’t good at dps at all. It has huge single shot damage, but even with impulse amplifier and a damage perk it’s like substantially worse in dps than a bad roll fusion rifle or rapid fire sniper, and if you have good rolls on those specials then mountaintop looks even worse for boss damage. Fusions aren’t even hard to use and they are decent in neutral game as well. So consistent dps isn’t even an argument for mountaintop. Its total damage is impressive, but there isn’t a single boss where total damage on a special weapon matters, as most heavy weapons last through a lot of damage phases. Even then, any sniper with triple tap or fourth times the charm beats mountain top in the total damage area. Ammo wise, mountaintop is fine. It’s solid. But like, all specials are solid on ammo. Snipers and fusions and slugs have pretty deep reserves as they stand. Along side literal perks that generate ammo from thin air. and special drops fast. And heavy ammo is constant in today’s game unless your crew has zero finders, no aeons or cenotaph, and no scavs at all. Basically, using mountaintop as a consistent dps special is a horrid idea for any level of player. However, if you are decent at boss damage rotation swaps, mountaintop with autoloading and a damage perk is impressive. And one shotting majors is where it thrives as well. Have fun with it in normal mode content, but by no means is it the most consistent, optimal, practical, or anything else for boss damage unless you use it in a swap. Get a really good roll of mountaintop because it’s an incredible weapon right now, but don’t get a roll for boss damage is all I’m saying players.

@fishnutz5196

2 ай бұрын

@@Olgod2004 oh im taking scatter signal over mountaintop for dps anyday of the week tbh

@boom-jr8vi

2 ай бұрын

@@Olgod2004 maybe get that recomb mountaintop for the one shot of big dmg, then use a sniper or fusion or the rest of dps once bns gl has no ammo? dont play d2 anymore but been kinda keeping up, maybe this could be a decent dps method.

I was using anarchy this week in onslaught in boss room. Orge was dancing

I would recommend switching Anarchy by Dragon's Breath if you are running solo or with another person. You may still implement mountaintop but you get insanely higher damage with your DB for the cost of little difference in the way you do your rotation.

This is far better than the spike vs implosion video. That video was so convoluted comparing sticky grenades randomly and not just showing best roll vs best roll. Anyways glad I watched this, yeah anarchy+MT is great. Sure its not optimal for damage but its optimal for lots of content especially something like onslaught since its both add clear and damage.

I hope so.. I got a sick MT roll last night, that pairs perfectly with a Reconstruction rocket or Anarchy or a Bait & Switch heavy.

This video made me sub. Great vid

Envious + B&S edge transit is good. BUT if you die at any time prior to the boss encounter, your mag dump is pretty much gone. Hence though I have a Envious + B&S edge transit and a ALH + B&S edge transit, I still use the ALH + B&S edge transit more frequently. Plus it pairs nicely with Izanagi/Witherhoard or MT while still freeing up up your exotic if you decide to use MT.

Love the idea of realistic dps. I’ve found heavy Gls hit and miss because they can easily kill you when ppl aren’t play attention even in a well. Rather stick to something simple and near the same rather than getting too fancy. Keep up the good work man!

@kingcurmudgeon8685

2 ай бұрын

I can’t tell you how many time ls my teammates in onslaught walk right in front of me while I have edge transit going. I have basically put it away and stuck with Machine guns as a result

@yourbrojohno

2 ай бұрын

This is why parasite with a solar loader is so good. Crazy burst damage, high total DMG, and no risk of killing yourself if you have some healing or a well.

@xthecre8or735

2 ай бұрын

@@kingcurmudgeon8685I literally got fried earlier in an onslaught where my teammates left me against two demolitions and he slammed while I was shooting Edge transit and knocked me behind a wall… and I died and wiped..

@iconic8986

2 ай бұрын

@@kingcurmudgeon8685I booted a member of mine just because he did that shit 5 times in that one run. We were also at wave 45. I did not care about wiping at that point.

@bryanho7376

2 ай бұрын

Solar holster works with Parasite, giving it auto loading holster

Found that apex pred mountaintop is really good damage while also freeing up the exotic slot. Gonna be huge for final shape

Been using it myself for a solo Warden's Ruin. Wasn't a solo Flawless (would have been if I didn't die in the spinning rocks room), but I can say this is the comfiest DPS choices I've ever used, and made me go back to the Crown of Sorrows days of bullying Gahlran. For Hefnd, I feel I even beat out my usual Cataclysmic loadout in time and efficiency. I'd 100% recommend Mountain top and Anarchy, always make sure you have a weaken effect!

We've gone full circle now, amazing

This loadout is so nostalgic

Every singld point made was the most spot on shit. Great stuff 👏👏👏

Duality Gahlran having PTSD from his raid encounter just hearing mountaintop return.

The bit about optimal vs consistent/realistic dps is important, so many people get lost in spreadsheets and use the most meta loadouts possible, then their actual dps is garbage cause they mess up rotations, run out of ammo or miss shots. The game doesn't exist in a vacuum, human error and randomness exist and nobody is always 100% optimal, as much as some people are reluctant to admit. Yeah Mtop is not the highest theoretical damage, but it's so consistent and all you need to do is literally hold 1 mouse button down, anyone can do it, it's nice.

@purpleguy3924

2 ай бұрын

it heavily depends on what boss u are doing and what the goal is. if u are not planning to 1 phase, then mtop could be the move. but learning how to izi swap and do some dps rotations will benefit ur dps a lot. even if u mess up the rotation once it will still be better then mtop dps or safer dps options like 1k or leviathans. theres also a million ways to generate heavy now, so ammo economy matters a lot less than it did before, obviously it takes some coordination with builds and whatnot so it depends how competitive and competent u and ur friends are haha

Question: I got a auto loading and deconstruct role on edge transit and I found out that if you use sticky grenades as well, every other direct shot loads a grenade into the mag out of thin air. I was wondering if deconstruct is better than envious assassin edge transit (or even anarchy) because of the ease of use. Or using envious and deconstruct for like 30 ammo in the mag. The downsides are that you don’t get a damage perk and you have to hit direct shots with sticky grenades on.

one suggestion i would give is to use Dragon's Breath instead of Anarchy. It has higher total damage and higher DPS than Anarchy. I'm speaking specifically for solo though. since Dragons Breath does not work well with multiple people.

@digiorno1142

2 ай бұрын

Mountaintop with anarchy is the whole point

@Markezie867

2 ай бұрын

@@digiorno1142 if you watch the video, the whole point of it is the simple, easy and ammo efficient DPS options, not anarchy and just about that.

@digiorno1142

2 ай бұрын

@@Markezie867 Bro mountaintop anarchy is the og loadout from forsaken and shadowkeep the video is about if that’s meta again

@lunarstrikeok9756

2 ай бұрын

I think dragons breath is better with the caveat that you need to use solar with it no?

@nullandvoid7524

2 ай бұрын

​@@lunarstrikeok9756it's not affected by Solar Builds, the Scorch Stacks and Ignitions are exclusive to it so you don't really get any benefits from running it with Solar over anything else.

No one talks ab this, in non speed running master dungeon/raids what’re me and my group using? What we feel comfortable on, what works, what doesn’t eat tokens like candy etc etc even if we lose the ability squeeze out a little more damage. It’s practicality.

Anarchy is back BABYY

People often forget that total damage is something that can matter big time in raids, dungeons, and even grandmaster nightfalls. Nightfalls. Remember caretaker how difficult it was after one or two floors when your runners no longer have heavy ammo and everybody's out by the time he comes to last stand? As long as you have enough damage to hit the thresholds, total damage can be a game changer for clearing encounters.

@Olgod2004

2 ай бұрын

Yeah but I don’t see a place for mountaintop in any damage phase at all ever unless you use it with autoloading for dps swaps. Anarchy has solid total damage when paired with a good special for boss dps. But if we are being realistic, and for the sake of the video, consistent and comfortable, there are too many better and simple options. Linears with any sort of ammo regen perk like fourth times or even whisper will have comparable if not better total damage while having easy annd strong dps. Even bipod rockets compete well against any anarchy loadout for non crit based encounters. Now as for specials, I said anarchy can be good for boss dps and total damage when paired with a good boss damage special. Mountaintop is not it, and it’s not even close. Mountaintop has some of the lowest dps numbers across special weapons, rapid fire snipers and slugs and fusions blow it out of the water. How about total damage? Well yeah, I get that, but if we’re really nitpicking, any rapid fire sniper will have more total damage when given the perk triple tap or fourth times the charm. And I’m not even adding in a damage perk yet. Fusion rifles and slugs are also much more practical in many cases. And as for this video, he did almost 600k less damage than an optimal swap, which mind you, is somewhat comparable to a simple bait and switch rocket. He didn’t even use izanagis or witherhoard, which many players usually do. No 600K for a whole damage phase might not sound like much, but multiply that by 5 or 6, and that is millions upon millions of damage lost for the sake of comfort. In no way is that good for boss damage. Even a rocket with explosive light, and then a suboptimal fusion rifle after you run out of heavy is better. Ammo isn’t in issue in the game anymore with finders, scavs, crazy dps supers and buffs/debuffs, cenotaph, and aeons. Most teams have at least one person rocking one of the things I just referenced. I don’t wanna sound too negative, but if you are going to go for mountaintop, which is an insanely good weapon, go for the right rolls. Something that has autoloading for boss damage swaps, or some good roll for maximizing the damage of a singular shot to nuke majors. And if you want to use anarchy in a damage phase, because trust me it isn’t bad at all, pair it with a better boss damage special. Almost any special is better than a special GL for straight up dps. I’d go for something like supremacy/succession/scatter signal/cartesian/loaded question/eremite/ikelos sniper/etc. as those are all great special dps weapons and all have solid total damage. You don’t even have to do high level content for these weapons anymore as they are all either war able from xur, zavala, onslaught, or mars sov now. And a little tip. If you have dragons breath, it’s better than anarchy in every aspect. Total damage and dps. And it auto reloads. You don’t even need the catalyst really. It’s simply better in every way. However, sadly only one person in your team can use it on a boss.

Great content! Subbed

I just had the godroll MT drop last night, for my final token drop; Hard Launch, Autoloading Holster and Recombination. Masterwork was reload (would’ve preferred handling), but I’ll take it after two days of constant farming. 😂

Damn anarchy need a auto-loading catalyst man😩

@csnation

2 ай бұрын

We can only pray it gets one. Too many older raid exotics still don't have their own catalyst (Anarchy, Tabarah etc)

You should try it with parasite, with impulse amplifier the reload lines up exactly to the autoload timer

I like using an auto loading and vorpal mountian top with dragons breath. It gives me high dps and damage during reload. I shoot mt, swap to dragonsbreath, and shoot it, reload (as soon as db has loaded/says 1 in mag, then Mt has auto loaded), switch to mt then repeat.

Awesome video! Love it

Only reason i just say use edge transit is bc you can use witherhoard and use a trace rifle or fusion for ad clear, and then swap loadouts tonlike witherhoard wilder transit or something

Honestly though ammo economy isn’t that big of a deal, if your doing that much of a load of damage in one go then you really aren’t gonna need much more for the rest. With how easy it is most times to get ammo back with the right setups going this is normally not a big concern. The biggest killer if anything isn’t ammo availability but team composition and communication combined with their ability to synergize in the encounter with their callouts and executing the mechanics. Doing good dps throughout a damage phase is the easiest aspect of any raid.

Implosion rounds and hard launch give give around a 12% damage increase.

@slytheninja

2 ай бұрын

Wrong, someone tested hard launch + spike and it did a total 28 damage less than implosion. It's a 0.04% damage loss with spike

I'm definitely a fan of having comfy damage phases and I'd totally forgetten this combo was even a thing. Thanks! One encounter I've never managed to get comfy with is the planets boss in Root of Nightmares, I find the 3 plates mean things like rockets, gls and 1kv can get really messy, never mind swapping plates with complex rotations. What's your go to there?

@Olgod2004

2 ай бұрын

Anarchy and mountaintop together are pretty bad for dps don’t let this video fool you. Both weapons are incredible in destiny, but not for dps. It looked like a small gap between the “optimal” rotation and the anarchy one but, imagine that gap across six players. That’s the difference between a one phase and potentially a three phase. Anarchy is fine for bosses when paired with a good boss damage special like a rapid fire sniper or a fusion rifle or a slug shot gun. Mountaintop melts majors and can be used in very optimal damage rotations with auto loading, but using it as a dps special itself is not where it belongs. Its job is to melt majors fast. In terms of comfy damage phases, the mountain anarchy is fun, but don’t do it for any boss unless your team is fine with you goofing. You can outperform this loadout with a semi decent rocket launcher and then a semi decent special weapon with no swaps. On planets, I’d recommend high g high burst damage. Don’t be scared, it isn’t hard to do. Just run a subclass with an instant pop super, and then follow it up with a rocket or heavy gj. Go with a bait and switch rocket or gl if you are comfortable with that, but if you aren’t, I’d recommend explosive light rockets as a second option as they are still good, and don’t require any preparation or swap as long as you have picked up some orbs of light from killing things or even just the well of radiance. If you are good at swaps, or at least are interested, a very simple swap is one shot of izanagis x4, then swap to your energy weapon and shot one tiny bullet at the boss of any weapon type (primary or special doesn’t matter), then switch to a GL or rocket with bait and switch and ammo dump as much as possible. Do this on each plate. TLDR For “comfortable” damage, and I assume you mean easy, non swap damage methods, just use a dps super like golden gun, thundercrash, etc. and follow it up with all your heavy ammo from a rocket launcher. Then for the remainder of the damage phase, use a fusion rifle or rapid fire sniper. Farm mountaintop because it’s super good, but get a roll that either A. Has good perks for killing majors or B. Can be used in a damage rotation. Don’t get a straight up dps perk combo.

I am wondering how dragon's breath mountaintop holds up to the meta as it is kinda the new anarchy in terms of damage over time also is an insanely ammo efficient weapon. Also jeesh hefnd's vengeance got friggin blasted in that gameplay.

ammo economy? sounds like whisper is back on the menu

What are your thoughts of using Edge Transit with a Sticky Grenade and Deconstruct roll instead?

I completely 100% agree with the section regarding aegis's spreadsheet. Ive found that it feels like he gets very speedrunner minded sometimes where they're running on level shit where izi+wilderflight+rocket or whatever can work because theres no actual combat difficulty. In some ways its felt the spreadsheets have harmed certain parts of the community more than its helped, with somepeople's overfixation on running the most "optimal" thing, failling, and hitting less numbers than the people using easier to use setups. That said anarchy+mtop hitting 2m isnt really that amazing when you can hold left click with 1k voices or leviathan's breath and hit 2.5+m with similar ammo economy.

How do you prock envious assassin twice? Is it as simple as prock it to max, swap to the weapon, swap to your primary/special and reprock it again?

hey man! great vid not sure if u know but having high blast radius on mtntop actually hurts it so running spike nades might be the worse way to go , fallout has a great vid of him explaining it and shows like a graph

@itztizzle

2 ай бұрын

Yeah I have a video also

Great video. “Realistic DPS” is something many people need to start coming back to and not just trying to go straight with “the optimum meta roll is the only roll” mentality. Edge Transit is definitely one of the easiest examples. Bait and Switch is the most important because it’s the easiest and highest damage buff. You’re going to be just fine with Frenzy because now it’s only 10% less. In the first column, talking about boss damage here, if you have Envious Assassin, Auto-Loading Holster, Field Prep or Impulse Amplifier… you’re going to do just fine. Cascade Point is very min-max (and I think THE god roll has to be a shiny with both Envious Assassin and Cascade Point if I remember right). All these perks either help you get a larger mag, play a mag dump and rotate style or give you much faster reload (with one giving you more reserves). Most situations you’re going to do nominally less damage with a less than god roll than other people with a god roll… and barely ever unless you’re a bunch of sweaty people that play together often is it going to make a noticeable difference in your boss bakes or the amount of damage phases. Especially, like you showed here, when you can literally chill with something like Mountaintop and Anarchy and accomplish basically the same thing… especially in team settings. With no chance of getting blown up because of a teammate or missing 10% of your total heavy damage because the boss does the dumbest of little sidesteps and your rocket misses. The conversation reminds me of Warden’s Law with Lucky Pants (slight tangent from meta load outs but kind of the same with optimal perks or shard). I ended up getting basically “the god roll” (both Enlightened Action and Fourth Times the Charm / Vorpal Weapon) minus Extended Mag (I got Tactical) and I did some testing (I didn’t shard the only halfway decent ones I had before)… and I might be missing something and I’m a dummy but basically with Enlightened Action and Tactical Mag you just BARELY run out of shots and it’s slightly more optimal to use Backup Mag than Big Ones Spec. When you have Fourth Times the Charm and Tactical Mag you are well into Out of Luck so a Backup Mag instead of Big Ones Spec and/or an Extended Mag seem to be completely irrelevant when it comes to using it as damage. Frenzy is going to be up almost all the time as well and it’s only 5% less damage. So if anyone had Vorpal or Frenzy and threw a Backup Mag regardless of the first column perk it perfectly fulfills the use with Lucky Pants to 90-95% of its potential. I bet hundreds of thousands to over a million that were in that situation were sharded.

Optimal damage rotations may be what’s needed for the next raid race. Remember war priest, well he stopped a lot of teams as the dps check. Linears alone couldn’t do it comfortably. I love this load out but I’m skeptical it’ll be enough for dps checks as dps matters almost more then reliability in day ones

I feel like in terms of total dmg, add clear utility, survivability and ease of use, you shod talk more about Parasite fusion swapping with a solar holster. With 89k dmg per shot 17 in the mag and a 1.2-1.0 sec load time its basically a better version of a rocket laucher that cannot blow you up. (81k base rocket dmg, 105k with BnS, 3.5s load time with reconstruction) rockets aren't on top anymore, but many people liked doing dmg rotations. Something like 2 mountain top shots in between parasite would give insane dmg. Ive only ever used it with fusions and snipers, but since you have the impulse amplifier roll id like to see what it does.

Consistent and easy to use, those are the main ingredients to becoming meta

Were you using solo operative in this scenario?

would be cool to see a hefnd kill with a meta rotation for comparison

@itztizzle

2 ай бұрын

sneakybeaver has a video with edge transit. He shared a clip to twitter. Takes 2 cycles instead of our 3. But you don't see them farming ammo and getting bait and switch perfect. And uses star eaters gathering storm. We were far from optimal and did a 3 cycle

I'm 100% whipping out my Mountain Top, Recluse, Anarchy loadout again, even if it may not be completely meta, lol.

I wonder if Supremacy would be good in place of Mountaintop

when using Edge Transit with BaS, i prefer to use Witherhoard

what if you used an exotic for your dps like witherhoard or izanagis

Using witherhoard is more optimal with the edge transit loadout

itzTizzle: Looks like this meta's back on the menu boys!

I love mountaintop with dragons breath. Double autoloading. With a primary in the middle.

The old times!!!

I'm trying to find a good kinetic special to pair with Anarchy to see what damage it can pull. Any other good options besides mountaintop?

@itztizzle

Ай бұрын

Supremacy

Lowkey wished they put bait and switch on the mountaintop just for that loadout. Wouldn't change that much but would have been nice. I'm glad this loadout is back in buisness! Now Anarchy just needs a god damn catalyst!

Time to use anarchy again

I don’t have anarchy so I would probably use dragons breath instead.

One word Reliable

not the perfect one for dps, but is a good roll for mt, thanks for the info

Glad you talk about realistic damage. I have a friend who is all about optimal damage as he is into doing low mans and what not but he’s actually so bad at the game I don’t think he’d ever be able to hit optimal damage.

More important than just ease of use is team efficiency, Dragon's Breath is stronger than Anarchy... when solo. If anyone else wants to use it you can use Anarchy with it instead. This has been a problem with me this season with other Dragon's Breath users ruining my Dawn Chorus DPS rotation. Right now you can realistically only have a single person running a solar heavy weapon for DPS because of ignition procs. The real strength of these good heavy damage options to me isn't their use with swap loadouts but rather with DPS supers instead, tack something on to do passive damage while you do a big burst with a super. The super recharges, your heavy ammo doesn't.

My take on this matter. Mountain top is an incredible weapon, but not for straight up dps. It is outperformed substantially but any decent fusion rifle, slug shotgun, or rapid fire sniper. As for total damage, mountaintop is surprisingly ok at it, but it’s not substantially better than anything else by any means, and loses to any sniper with triple tap or fourth times. However, if used for either a dps swap rotation with autoloading, or for nuking majors, it is definitely up there as optimal. If you want a roll of mountaintop, look for something that can do either of those two things. As for anarchy, it’s actually not bad, but for boss damage it needs to be paired with an optimal special to even compete with other optimal or even comfortable dps options (I’ll reference better comfortable damage options soon). As stated above, please use something like a rapid fire sniper or a fusion or even a slug. Don’t use mountaintop if your goal is to do comfortable boss dps with anarchy. (P.S. dragons breath is much better than anarchy in every regard, and it auto loads. Buuuut only one player can use it. For solo content this clears anarchy by miles and if you really want to do some anarchy type of stuff on bosses, dragons breath is much better if no one else wants to use it) As for the video itself, I like the idea. In day one content or even normal stuff, you need to have gear that is both good enough to clear the encounter, ur also good enough to not overly stress yourself out to the point where damage phases aren’t happening consistently. However, this video actually shows that anarchy, when paired with mountaintop, can only do this on NORMAL mode content. In the video, he does like 500K less damage than the displayed *optimal* option I believe (could be wrong but I’m too occupied typing this to re check. It’s in the ball park.). Ok, doesn’t sound too bad right? Well now imagine this across 5-6 players. That’s millions of damage lost. And this isnt even taking into account that he chose to use a primary hand cannon in place of common optimal dps specials like witherhoard and izanagis, which are very commonly used even amongst players that aren’t into damage rotations that much. That’s an easy 300K+ damage per phase he missed out on. Anarchy and mountaintop together is by no means a good *comfortable* raid damage loadout, but I could see it for solo content and maybe dungeons if you were really reluctant to try anything else and you really wanted nuke majors and clear some ads in normal mode. Now; I don’t want to cry and moan this whole post as I’m not the happiest when I’m being negative, so as promised, here are some common alternatives if you truly desire a comfortable damage phase. Options: 1. An explosive light rocket, followed by any ok fusion rifle or rapid fire sniper after you burn your heavy (no swap needed, only need orbs which you get from a well or killing ads. Dps and total damage is solid) 2. Any triple tap linear fusion rifle with firing line (dps is questionable but it’s easy to do, works with divinity well, and has incredible total damage) 3. Aggressive frame linear with any damage perk at all (better dps than the previous linear, but less total damage. Can get mag overflowing perks though so no need to reload) 4. Gjallarhorn and a solar fusion (can match the weapon surges as they are both solar, can buff your team for rocket Strats, and has ok dps and solid total damage. Gally got an ammo reserve buff) 5. Witherhoard + a bait and switch rocket (may be slightly more work than the other options, but give it a try it’s not hard to do at all after one or two attempts at the enclave. Has great dps and solid total damage) 6. Lament/falling guillotine (yeah, swords aren’t too hot, but if it’s a close range encounter then use them. Surrounded bequest is much better but obviously I’m going for comfortable loadouts here, although I’d argue surrounded on a close range weapon is pretty easy) 7. Bipod rocket with a good perk along side it (never would I ever recommend bipod personally, but I can’t say it’s a bad perk. It’s better than anarchy with mountaintop for sure. It’s dps is solid and its total damage with bipod is solid too) 8. Xenophage (the ultimate easy weapon. It’s not great at anything, just solid neutral game and ok damage. Wouldn’t use it personally tho, but it has a lot of use cases outside of damage too which is nice) 9. Izanagis + an autoloading Gl (there are plenty of ok autoloading Gls now. It’s not the greatest option, but it works if you are good with reloading the sniper into 4 shots in one go) 10. Dragons breath with a rapid fire sniper or fusion (yeah, it’s just better than anarchy, easier to use, and auto reloads) 11. Anarchy + arc fusion or kinetic rapid fire sniper (fine fine fine. I’ll let the anarchy copium people breathe it in. Yes, you can make anarchy not suck. Just maximize your special weapon potential. I like loaded question here as it gets the same rolls as eremite, is free for all players, and you can match arc surges with anarchy. Supremacy is great for dps and total damage for kinetic snipers) TLDR use better specials for boss dps if you want it use anarchy for boss dps. Use mountaintop for major killing only, unless you want to make it a swap weapon for boss dps using bait and switch. Don’t use these two weapons together if your intention is to do boss dps comfortable. Yes, it’s easy; but it’s worse than most other easy boss damage methods. Anyways, that’s my rant. Hopefully my post helped educate you.

@Olgod2004

2 ай бұрын

For reference, in this specific videos case, this anarchy mountaintop loadout is not easy to obtain. For most players that raid enough to purchase the anarchy and play enough onslaught to ensure the god roll of mountaintop (especially when grinding the other 11 weapons), they will already be skilled enough to use much more optimal dps methods comfortably. In other situations, like not having apex predator due to needing to raid (which is now given to you through mara just like supremacy is), I could understand casual players not wanting or being able to accomplish optimal dps. Buuuut, if you own anarchy and a good mountaintop, and happen to also be on KZread looking for dps Strats and looking at dps numbers, I would be hard pressed to believe that anarchy and mountaintop is your only option for comfortable dps. If you happen to be a casual player, please pick up both weapons. They are both great, and even if you don’t like them, they are iconic and look bad ass. Both have uses cases. I just wouldn’t hunt these weapons down with the goal of consistent boss dps. Like yeah, ur gonna do consistent dps, consistently lower than your average rocket user.

@Olgod2004

2 ай бұрын

Also, i know it seems like im hating on this video. I promise you im not. I actually thoroughly enjoy this channel, and this has become my main channel I watch for a lot of damage testing as I find this all interesting and I get really passionate about raid content/boss damage. MMOs rock lol If you ever read this comment, I have a cool video idea that fits the theme of “comfortable yet effective boss damage”. Maybe try making a video to educate players on some very simple dps methods that are commonly effective going into the day one raid. I’m sure you have done this before or someone else has, but like a final shape updated video or something could be big for a ton of people that want to try the raid. Anyways, good work as always.

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What about Dragon’s Breath instead of Anarchy?

Why aren't you using witherhoard with the edge transit dmg rotation ??????

@Olgod2004

2 ай бұрын

I know bro. His swap was easily not optimal. Witherhoard he could have easily gotten 300k+ more. And even if only one person can use witherhoard, the other 5 players can use izanagis for similar results. Also, him debuffing the boss randomly was a dumb idea. And he sells this idea of comfortable damage. If we’re being real, he is doing potentially around 1 million less damage than an optimal loadout. Imagine 1 million damage less per player per damage phase. That would suck. That literally would make you 3 phase normal mode raid bosses at best. And if I brought this into a day one raid, I would never ever ever beat a raid on contest because the dps checks tend to demand optimal loadouts in some regard. Hell, even hot head from way back when is stronger when paired with literally any other type of special aside from like wave frames.

I use anarchy with a bait & switch deliverance

With just a mag mod you can get 21 rounds and still run spikes🗿, 21 rounds is the perfect amount for b&s since the timer ends just when the last shot is fired. You just need to switch to boss spect before damage and profit🤑

@yourbrojohno

2 ай бұрын

You can get 24 if your second perk is mini frags and you use a back up mag on your non DMG loadout. It's what I use for raids or dungeons with other people.

@Maxb0-__-

2 ай бұрын

@@yourbrojohno imo there’s no point in running 24. I have the god roll adept cataphract and I could run 24 if I wanted to by just running adept mag mod but the last 3 grenades don’t get b&s since it stops at 21 so you’re really just wasting those rounds

@HughGWeiner

2 ай бұрын

🤡

Is Anarchy worth the 240 Spoils though? I have 240 but don’t want to dump my spoils on this if it’s not great

@itztizzle

2 ай бұрын

Yes

can u share the full build with mods?

Great video and good points all around. My question is if you’re talking about ease of use, why not ‘just use Thunderlord?’ There might be some nuances between damage phases, but maybe instead of “realistic” DPS, should “consistent” DPS that maximizes DPS be a better goal. Obviously lots of variation between all players though.

ive been doing this for over a year yall just jumpin on the bandwaggin now

@100subsandilleatanonion7

2 ай бұрын

Yep the mountaintop that you have been able to use for the past year

ALH is the next option here. Envious is great for the ad clearer players. ALH for the mechanic players.

In a head to head, I don't see this thing surpassing d breath. Both weapons do essentially the same thing. H gls are already very consistent damage. And in a decent team, does enough dmg to 1 phase all normal mode bosses. Is only if you are "carrying" a lfg team or doing a master raid where you would need something like this. (or solo but once against d breath does that better) and in master mode content is very commonplace to have ammo generation exotics on someone in your fireteam. Same with day 1 scenarios. The common misunderstanding for total dmg requirements of reserve is that more is better. Is not, you just need the boss to be dead, and due to varying factors such as team mates, you should make a decision based on the team and encounter you are facing to decide on loadout. And not fall back on a loadout that fits all. But of course most importantly at the end of the day make sure is fun for you.

Mountaintop used to be disgusting damage BUT let’s not forget lunas made every gun broken back then lol

Maybe dragon's breath would be better than anarchy, seeing that it has way more dps and a similar ammo economy?

This is an extremely relatable video well done tizzle 🔥👍

@itztizzle

2 ай бұрын

Thank you! I was shocked this combo was this good!

@Chablo91

2 ай бұрын

@@itztizzle we have a Issue about the misconceptions regarding SMG vs hand cannons in PVE It needs to be addressed in video format 👍👍

@itztizzle

2 ай бұрын

@@Chablo91 hahaha I don't think I will have the time to investigate this. It's all yours!

just saying tho if u shoot an extra anarchy at ground thats a hell of a lot more damage and then put auto loading on mtop and a fathers sins in the energy slot its an easy 3 mil, you just dont have an optimal loadout

Only reason why this combo doing damage is cause it’s 25% grenade launcher damage this week

just cause something is optimal doesnt mean its optimal with room for error. this is why in solo runs dragons breath and a fusion kicks ass its consistent high dps with plenty of room for error and abbiltiy to get your ammo back. Agesis in his video even says rocket are still probably a better option with ease of obtaining max heavy ammo in a day 1. Day 1s if your not going for worlds first arent a contest of damage and speed but consistency and survivability along with good solid damage. Anyone who says different is either a god or has never really understood how to beat a day 1

@zPyre

2 ай бұрын

This is well and good but there *is* a required dmg floor regarding consistency. If there is a dmg check from past day 1s that's rough (CT, warpriest, etc.), this damage rotation wouldn't hit the threshold you would need to get a clear. Important to find a nice balance. I do think your sentiments are accurate but I don't necessarily agree with how the video portrays that concept (even in the scuffed/messed up Envious proc rotations the dmg surpassed the mtntop anarchy combo by like 600k? Gives the wrong impression imo but still good presentation

What about dragons breath and mountain top

Why no body is talking about anarchy + indebted kindness, easy to use, arc pair to buff both weapons and great ammo economy.

anarchy catalyst plzzzzzz bungie

People hitting 3.6 mill with edge transit optimum dps rotations. They are hard, but thats whats needed for day 1 raids. 2 mill is nothing on a dps phas this long. Edit: you can hit 2 mill or more just running a linear fushion of heavy machine gun.

IDK Mountaintop just does not work for me could be my roll, we'll see maybe I'll get a roll that feels good.

it's just a reliable, swiss knife of a loadout. it can do any PvE activity you want it to do. jack of all trades, master of none.

How good is anarchy against tormentors?

@itztizzle

2 ай бұрын

trash

@PsychoticGaming22

2 ай бұрын

@itztizzle lmao good to know thank you

This has been a style of play Bungie has been pushing for a while now. That being, using one weapon to charge up the power of another weapon. It’s such a situational thing that requires the perfect micromagament of various weapons. I prefer straight up options that always work. Hence, why I choose Frenzy over recombination on my mountaintop. It just works even when stowed. Some people like the micromanagement and the mini game aspect of it but I think it’s just not realistic.

@shaunmacready701

2 ай бұрын

They are 100% loving the charging and rotation of weapons, but the old ways stoll work well. I use briars content here with reconstruction and surrounded and in an LFG I drop 8mil damage paired with witherhoard and another or matching special in the energy slot. Its a simple shot long press for heavy and fire off thered always ads around to keep surrounded active

wish i had anarchy :/

@roysourboy358

2 ай бұрын

you can solo farm spoils using the soloable raid chests each week (there are a fair few guides for this if you look it up), then buy it from the kiosk

@joe18083

2 ай бұрын

can also do what i do and just setup fireteam finder on vault of glass to farming spoils and get the first 2 chests

@yourbrojohno

2 ай бұрын

It works better with parasite with a solar holster or dragons breath.

No.the Anarchy still sucks. I just ran this combo on the Whisper mission last night and it was shit. I literally had to switch heavies in order to beat the timer. Legend.

@itztizzle

2 ай бұрын

I beat it solo with anarchy. And in 10 minutes with a fireteam. Doesn't suck

@GhostVapeKIlla

2 ай бұрын

@itztizzle yeah, with a Fireteam! 😆 I could clear it with RatKing and a fire team as well. Listen, I absolutely love Anarchy. It is only second to Witherhoard as my favorite weapon in D2. Just because you want something to not suck, doesn't make it so. I pull this out every now and then since the nerf and have been disappointed everytime, including the Heavy GL buff and now. I just used it last night and it sucked. My HGL from Gaurdian Games with Chain Reaction/Volt Shot does more damage, and it is a Wave Frame Legendary..

Take off solo op and see the dmg

@itztizzle

2 ай бұрын

take the numbers in the video and multiply by 0.85. There you go

Practical damage > no damage

mountaintop was never good or strong the whole reason why it was even used was because of the easy auto-reloading stuff we had, without auto-reloading it's just a pretty average grenade launcher

I hope not as it’s all things veteran players PAID for then Bungie sunset just to give away for free players. That’s bullshit.