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@benlecluyse

4 ай бұрын

Hell yeah !!

I’m not a big BMW guy myself but if I had to choose I would pick the 540i purely for A) running costs B) servicing costs

@tonygoshive785

4 ай бұрын

Yea the b58 are incredible engines. I think bmw made these machines way too good almost as comparable as their m cars.

@huiputka1

4 ай бұрын

Yeah and to achieve M5s sort of power (and still be slower) you'll also have a very unreliable car. There is no way having 700hp out of non built 3.0 6 cylinder with meth be as reliable as M5. I bet in the long run you'll be spending much more on the 540i when things start going. And you have a car that looks like a 520d...

@ESKATEUK

4 ай бұрын

Utter bollocks. If you can’t afford to run the m5 you can’t afford to run the 540i. No bmw fan would take a 540i over an m5 if they were offered because of servicing costs.

@Bilboswaggamuffin

4 ай бұрын

Clearly you didn’t read the comment properly because I said “I’m not a BMW guy” be honest I’m not a huge fan of saloons it’s just my opinion dude

@usercs_2682

4 ай бұрын

I used to own 535i then M5 F10 and now F90 M5 competition. I never regret paying extra on my car. The M is always special compare to the non M

Classic B58 heat soaking, it is a great engine though. M5 would be my choice. Chassis dynamics, brakes and engine are the difference. That's worth the 8k to me, but each to their own! Can't believe M5s are now 38k, bargain!!

@TheAlbaniaGaming

4 ай бұрын

Also, don't forget that the 540i is highly modified in order to make that type of power, and modified cars are ALWAYS a nightmare to keep, especially in reliability. And the B58 is not made for that kind of power. It even has a lower capacity, and it will get much, much more consumed than the S63, making the same level of power. If you have the money, the M5 is 100% more worth it.

@aj2734

4 ай бұрын

@@TheAlbaniaGamingwrong, with an intake manifold it will not heat soak. It’s just ethanol and a bigger turbo, that’s not highly modified at all in the bmw world. Literally 6k in mods. The b58 is a true 700-1000 hp daily

@aj2734

4 ай бұрын

@@TheAlbaniaGamingalso 540s are not developed like the 340 platform. The 540 is too big for the b58

@aj2734

4 ай бұрын

@@TheAlbaniaGamingalso if you m swap the drivetrain it’s going to handle like an m, many people add lsd to x drive to make it handle like a g80

@Sextusheap

3 ай бұрын

@@TheAlbaniaGamingGenerally would agree on that but b58 is a unicorn when it comes to BMW reliability. Even Toyota puts their name on it.

That 540i did really well. Definitely worth the name M5 Cheat code!

Despite the legendary status and epicness of the b58,most people are still taking the M5 simply because it's an "m"

@ozzyalis

4 ай бұрын

I'm taking the m5 bro because of its potential truthfully your comparing a stage 1 m5 with a stage 3 540i M5 value dropped massively now. Hass is a top lad though who does some good work been in a few of his tuned cars now

@techbutter2877

4 ай бұрын

@@ozzyalis the b58 platform has way more performance potential than the s63. no one really modifies their s63 other than an exhaust and maybe a tune.

@ozzyalis

4 ай бұрын

@@techbutter2877 I can tell you for certain my mates stage 2 m5 he had was a rocket ship for example bro I am one of the only people on the planet who's pushed a b9 car to its limits. Appreciate the b58 engine has been around for a while but the s58 is the one now that car downpipe alone pushes over 750hp on pump that to me it's nuts no b58 is touching that

@ozzyalis

4 ай бұрын

​@@techbutter2877also potential is not the one this is already stage 3 and its just touching stage 1 number a stage 3 m5 is night night on stage 3

@zootlee8323

4 ай бұрын

Yea but M5 has a V8, and who dont love a big ol V8 motor

That 540i with that wheel and tyre combo not only looks sick, but also looks like it could really lay it down on a twisty B road. Tuned 700hp B58 the 540i gets my vote.

@MaackyD

4 ай бұрын

M lights have always struggled in the handling department which is why the M cars exist, entirely different support. It'd see a -20s on a good track vs the M5, but for the cost you can't discredit it

@bigash_n54

4 ай бұрын

Your a mad man. An M car is better all around simple.

M5 better brakes, better suspension, better chassis, better interior, better engine, better everything. Doesn’t matter who won

@harrisr1018

4 ай бұрын

Better engine for performance? Yes. For reliability and durability, BMW 6 cylinders are legendary

@W0ULDY0ULIKE

4 ай бұрын

​@harrisr1018 the legend lost every test though

@Bl4ck__Bull3t

4 ай бұрын

@@harrisr1018🤣 who said that 💀 after all that’s done to the 540 that thing won’t last a year 💀 I have more than 700hp in a 2020m550 with 3 simple things and my car doesn’t even feel it

@Bl4ck__Bull3t

4 ай бұрын

Don’t compare them mate that’s a boi wanting to be a man 😂 but it’s a really good car also.👍

@harrisr1018

4 ай бұрын

@@Bl4ck__Bull3t BS people have been pushing 700+ from b58 engines for years now with no issue. BMW v8s are notorious for catching fires and general unreliability and heavy maintenance

Close. Very close. I suppose if you factor in running costs,the ease of fixing / servicing a B58 over a 4.4 V8 and then the notoriously good reliability of the B58 then the 540i becomes a very interesting prospect indeed.

@SH7SH7SH7

4 ай бұрын

M5 will hold its value way better than spending 10k on mods though

@Buck3366

4 ай бұрын

@@SH7SH7SH7 I don’t know, the price of big V8 super saloons has been going one way for a while now,especially now the used car market is levelling out. Add in running M car costs, big insurance hikes it all adds up and even people with deeper pockets than average are feeling it. Undeniably the far more frugal B58 when tuned is 8/10ths of an M5 in terms of power, that’s enough for most people. The M car is the more special car though obviously.

@huiputka1

4 ай бұрын

@@Buck3366 that's bull. No way that non built b58 would be as reliable when it has more than double the hp and a meth. I bet it would actually cost more in the long run to maintain than the M5 when things start going and you're still left with a slower 540i that is close to unsellable

@Buck3366

4 ай бұрын

@@huiputka1 Why does it need to be built exactly? They are more than strong enough. It’s one of BMW’s most over engineered engines of modern times in fact. Does a B58 suddenly implode when it surpasses 699 bhp? I’ve seen them get way more and not go bang. Strange. Incidentally if you think a B58 is in any way similar to maintaining an 8 cylinder Twin Turbo 4.4 V8 I think you need to give your head a big old wobble. After you pay triple for a major M5 service that might in part show you just the fundamental and simple basic running costs of each in stock form or we would all be driving round in them instead of M140/240/340 etc. Notoriously brutal to run even when running well and that’s before you start to piss about modifying them. They plummet like a brick because they are killers on the wallet. Try a V12 M760Li like my friend did. 90k loss in under 3 years. Running costs of most houses! Big BMWs especially M cars are the bargains of the century until something goes wrong. Then need half the value of the car again to fix it! ( I’ll let you do the research to price up a replacement M5 engine over a B58, a price most don’t have tucked away for a rainy day).ANY modified car is susceptible to breaking but to say a modded 540 is going to be more costly than a modded M5 in terms of like for like running or hypothetical engine failure is just daft! Like I say, go price 2 engines up.

@mogulme6190

4 ай бұрын

@@huiputka1y’all just talk…review big hp b58s.

One massive advantage of the 540i over the M? Wagon! Yes you can get a 540i wagon, breathe on it for a proper under the radar sleeper. Loving the stance of both these cars, maybe more so the 540i with its pothole proof wheel/tyre combo.

@Sakosaga

4 ай бұрын

M5 wagon coming soon

@Slowwagonftl

3 ай бұрын

540i wagon sounds like the absolute perfect car

I feel like this B58 had a strong showing here but was ultimately just becoming more and more heat soaked. The M5 appeared to have better repeatability of performance which would make sense as bmw crams as many heat exchangers as they can in the M cars which is often why they weigh quite a bit more. B58 showing how versatile it is once again.

@Sextusheap

3 ай бұрын

Big intercooler should reduce that a lot.

2nd Launch from the M5 was mint. Even though on paper it looks to have slightly less legs, that secret M power pulls its weight over the imposter. But you get the 540i and you could probably run it for 2 years with the difference

I can’t believe I’m saying this but the 540i sounds much much more mental than the M5 😮

@onuohafamily

4 ай бұрын

M5 got stock cats

Great sportsmanship on the day. The M5 deffo needs a set of downpipes to get the most from a tuning session. Although still did a great job.. against its lighter sibling👌

If u compare the costs of both cars I'd say the 540i was very impressive

@user-fi5hc9um6q

4 ай бұрын

well, you can also compare the "price hold" of both cars, then it isnt as impressive since the m5 comp will hold its value ALOT better than a totally clapped out 540i.

@mEmEzMaN...

4 ай бұрын

​@@user-fi5hc9um6q I'm pretty sure that's obvious

@Jmarzx

4 ай бұрын

@@user-fi5hc9um6qI can buy a 18’ 540i for 28k 30k miles nd 10l in mods its worth it if ur not at m5 spending level

@lewiscannon8213

4 ай бұрын

​@user-fi5hc9um6q Don't be thinking the M5 is 100% bullet proof tho .

@huiputka1

4 ай бұрын

@@lewiscannon8213 M5 would definitely be more reliable with that Stage 1 than the more than double hp from stock b58 with a meth. Not to mention that the 540i is clearly still slower with all these mods. M5 can easily get to 1000hp+ with the same mods as the 540i. You'd be a fool to spend as much on a 540i when you can get a M5 for pretty much the same money.

Heat soak affected that 540i, no doubt about it. Those elite top 15 are still a madness and proving difficult to break in to 👍🏿 !

That first roll was epic!

M340 vs. that 540 would be a good race. Love the M5👌🏼👌🏼💨 ( 540 did a hell of a good job )

@darrelp8345

4 ай бұрын

M340i would get gapped unless its on an upgraded turbo just like this 540i.

@mitk1

3 ай бұрын

@@darrelp8345m340i is running 10s on stock turbo 😹

@mohammaddalloul9891

3 ай бұрын

Basically 690hp vs 382hp? Bro is new ro racing

That 4.4 v8 is madness. Sounds insane as well. M5 all day everyday❤

Those tuned m5s are no joke, when they launch properly theyre crazy fast.

Now I see why I didn't hear back about the stock M5 vs the 540i, then again a stock M5 I think wouldn't have been too far behind. Nice runs and good to see both drivers actually going at the same time.

No one can mess with that s63 v8 inside the M5. The last launch was epiccc

@Areku06

4 ай бұрын

Except for model s plaid :) for the same price and no maintenance.

Yes..Jamie..! I too have a 540 and after seeing the Hass video…I wanted to see this battle…! Great battle..Team 540i

@oneildixon9482

2 ай бұрын

Team 540

This vid his beyond sick big up Jamie and all of the crew… music popped off btw. The crazy thing is for me my dream is that F90 M5 but an option I was looking at is that 540i and the fact that it can keep with that M5 and saving 8-10 bags is nuts. That being said a few sent M5 would eat it alive. Still sick vid 🔥🔥🔥

Really interesting comparison, thanks Jamie I enjoyed that video!

M5 all day. That extra 8,500 is well worth it to have the M suspension, interior, and actual M engine. Plus the potential for the S63 for more power with just a stage 2 tune, maybe even an ethanol map, would mop that 540i. Oh yeah, and you keep resale value 😄

I love how you 1st did the 540i then had it on the match-up. Cool flow there.

540i performance is amazing , not to mention how much cheaper is to buy/maintain/tune

The F90 5 Series and M5 will forever be a legend! That 540i is so sweet. Much love and respect for both builds and owners.

Nice close race…nothing better!

outstanding jamie nothing better than a bmw race down the strip epic mate 💯💯💯😛😛

Is it weird that the host helps to feel good.😂 Such a positive energy man. Sick channel.

540i sleeper vibes does it for me ❤

“If the M5 was stock, it would’ve been a totally different story.” Yeah, what about if the M5 was also given £10k in mods?

@Hellafast2uDude

3 ай бұрын

Stock m5competition 1/4 11.1, while 540 stage 3 11 straight. Its a hair difference

Daaymnnnn didnt except so close roll races! And those 0-60 times are mad impressive for both cars. I was about to trade my e92 m3 for 540i last summer but still glad i didnt. Even tho it might still be my next car in future but those non m cars doesnt have the same character as real M cars. Its easily faster when tuned but the feeling is a different story. Anyway great content keep it up!!

For a 8.5K difference, I would take the M5 any day of the week.

Epic races... nxt week races looks spicy

Bro the amount of hair on Mo's arms must affect the weight 😂 differentl levs

OG battles, its what Sundays are made for

Thought the 540i would have one with shorter gear ratios, 0-60 very impressive

The 540i was really impressive but I’d still go for the M5 just for the v8 engine alone.

M cars are just better built than non m cars its the underneath not the power. It's about refinement. But ya know with people rating teslas refinement has gone out the window

@fAG-ku1sx

4 ай бұрын

100%

I think the difference was that the m5 can do multiple runs not being tuned to the max like the 540i. Probably heat playing a factor.

540i stage 3+, M5 just a standard map with stock cats etc and he had no chance whatsoever! Proper M car anytime of the day! 🇱🇻🤟👊

The 540i has a better power to weight ratio & more power, but still lost so fair play to the M5.

I think it’s safe to say a tuned 540 is quicker than a stock m5 , cheaper to run insure and buy

If ‘Moe’ is reading this, that’s the best sounding B58 I’ve heard. *standing ovation*

That 540i must of been suffering from heat soak after the first run as it was much closer. Either that or Trap speed of the m5 suggests it’s got more power than quoted

@BestKiteboardingOfficial

4 ай бұрын

Looked like it, bigger gaps each run.

@NVMotorsportUK

4 ай бұрын

Stock downpipes are biggest restriction 👌

@jordbart

4 ай бұрын

Sure the 540 runs Meth too

Man in the M5 SWEATING in that first roll man you can feel the relief in that sigh 😂

M5 for the win. Thank you for video

thanks for the video ! what a great perf of 540, amazing ,respect for owner ! m5 is m5 ofc!

That second launch on the drags from the M5 was SAVAGE !!! Would take the M5 every time.

If I had that 540 I would 100000% slap a 520i and make it a sleeper look Beautiful cars though

@smashb3766

3 ай бұрын

Ew no

That 540i did amazingly well to stay so close with that M5 !

Krass das ihr mein und eventuell auch von anderen die Kommentare an herz genommen habt und diesen Vergleich gemacht habt geil !!! 🤙🤙🤙

I've got an f36 440i gran coupe running a flowmax 2.5+ turbo which is up at around 700 crank on e85. M cars are different class of chassis all together. It fantastic what can be done with the b58 cars but they will never outhandle an m car mod for mod

@dash-kt7uf

4 ай бұрын

A B58 smashes any M car when modified highly bro - this is so well documented, not sure where you have been. In fact a M car isn’t even in the conversation and the main rival is a DAZA RS3 to who is quicker over the quarter mile - both platforms in the 7’s - no M car is close bro

@pissywilly

4 ай бұрын

@dash-kt7uf in a straight line. If that's the only criteria that you measure a cars performance then I think you're missing the point. Like I say. I have a b58 running decent power and I've driven many m cars and the chassis and soul of an M just isn't there with my car. A tuner car they are better and over the 8th and 1/4 but that's not everything. I'm not bashing the b58 cars. I own one. But they aren't better all round cars than their M version, no matter how much money you put into them.

@dash-kt7uf

4 ай бұрын

@@pissywillyit’s all good bro - straight line is all I meant and that was all that was being tested on the video But just so you know, we are talking about a bus length hammering against a well set up B58 or DAZA - not even close

@timmie426

4 ай бұрын

​@@dash-kt7ufthats the problem i have with some B58 drivers, they think they have the fastest, best car in the world and act accordingly. They are unmistakenbly awesome performing cars but there is more to the automotive life than winning every stoplight race. There was a lot of trash talking of B58 boys with their freshly bought stage 1, Alixpress Akrapovic exhaust tipped, crackle tune M140i's here in the tuner scene in the NL. Talking trash about a well respected Honda tuner with a K20T MR2 and 4x4 EG Civic for driving a shitbox that they mostly take to drag events and not the street. Thats the kind of people i really don't like. Yeah B58 is great and all but not like you've accomplished everything in life 😂

@pavelovcear1274

4 ай бұрын

This is bullshit

There are more to performance variants than peek horsepower figures. You have looks, suspension, features, etc. But I definitively acknowledge that is a 🔥 540.

Crazy close! If your on a budget, 540i no brainer!

The 1/4 AWD leaderboard is all Quattro and Porsche PTM. That says a lot

I would love to see what their power bands look like side by side or overlayed to see the real differences.

sick race

Killer m5 for a reason, taking another victim #TEAMNVM 😮‍💨

The B58 easily can perform with 700bhp run after run, but it needs an aftermarket intake manifold (by Wagner for example). Then the IATs stay down low until the last run.

Absolutely dig these 540i's... Even if they faster and cheaper Unfortunately still ain't a M5

great content. detailed 👍

I guess it all comes down to engine size and torque figures with the m5 having more displacement and torque, that being said was the 540i suffering from heat soak after all those runs? Great racing though and comparison

That 540 heatsoaked like crazy

Two absolute machine. What a launch the m5 got second drag race 😂😊

M5 all day everyday, just cant beat the overall experience the M gives you.

The M5 already produces close to 685 bhp at stock, there is a video at carwow where they dyno all three german competitors

Need some more BMWs on them leaderboards

Great Sportsmanship, all respect. M5 S63 Exhaust is just beast, 540i Exhaust from that venerable B58 hits the spot too lol. Between the two I would choose M5 however I enjoy that B58 as well.

Yeaa the M5 definitely showed why it’s more superior here, although the 540 was close you have to spend more just to get close to what a tuned M5 can do imagine if the M5 had 10k in it or even 5k

this is the design we like mann, BMW TAKE NOTES

The extra torque of that M5 is crazy

Gg is real G

The B58 had to pass Toyota’s stringent quality control. No wonder BMW desperately wanted a partnership with Toyota. Not only did BMW get Toyota’s knowledge on how to build a great inline-6, they also get to use Toyota’s hydrogen technology. And Toyota in return got a new sports car.

@MyTubeUser321

4 ай бұрын

this is incorrect

@snowfall6767

4 ай бұрын

B58 is german art of engineering and nothing to do with Toyota. Toyota just uses the B58 engine from Germany it has nothing to do with Japan.

this is what sundays are about! 2 german beasts smashing gears and smoking tyres. this one’s gunna be close 👊🏻👏🏻👏🏻

The gearing on the cars seemed very different which may have played a part

540i put up a convincing fight

At the end of the day a 540i is not a M car for a reason. The Letter M is a heavy one… ❤️❤️ especially with the M5

Can we get details on that 540i exhaust? Sounds really good

15:27 uff, I thought it was the end of my graphics card

There is so much more to a real M car than power. I never really understood, until I wrote off my tuned/modified M140i ... I thought it was a great car, even if it was a little bit lairy and unstable for the power (455bhp/634nm) with it's open diff and standard adaptive suspension. I did upgrade the brakes to M Performance dimpled and grooved. I then got a standard OG M2. The difference was immediate. The steering should not have felt any different, they are both electric racks right ? The M2 steering was completely different, and while not Lotus Elise quality, it was much better than the numb M140i. The damping was on another level, and the whole stability, no pogo over bumps, no wobbly back end, no snaking under acceleration, the diff helping put the power down evenly. The whole feeling was on another level, no doubt down to different (M3/M4) suspension, and the lack of sound deadening in M cars, making you hear and feel everything. Yes the OG M2 is slower in a straight line than my M140i, but it's much faster in real terms, on a twisty, undulating, REAL road.

Looks like a different gear ratio for each car.

Disappointing times for a b58 with those mods. Our b58 was doing 6.14 100-200 with the smaller DAW flowmax

NVM sauce 🔥

@NVMotorsportUK

4 ай бұрын

❤️‍🔥

I run a 2017 G30 540i msport xdrive at 545bhp and 707nm and that's not at max capacity either.. Effortless power with the mods I've done all in under 30k.540 b58 especially in xdrive gets the power down well especially when you have a stage 3 gearbox xhp flash.

m5 for me just love the car and how it sounds

I would go with the 540i just because I’m guessing it would be cheaper maintaining.

Be good to see a tuned m550i Vs m5

The guy with the 540i needs to do something and get his revenge !!

It's one sided more than I thought it would be 😂 . Was thinking it would be back and forth victories . But isn't the M5 got a little more better set up on the gearbox from the M factory . Basically the same by name but set just a little more special .? But I do like the 540I sound . Sounds pretty damn good .

Love me the b58, it's almost bulletproof but as an f90 owner; that s63 is limitless on power gains more when compared to no M engines + luxury, looks and swag. You got the wallet 99 percent you'll be pimping f90 s63.

Nice comparison. I think it would be a nice comparison to bring in the m550i. As a previous 17:51 owner of a B58 540i and a current owner of the N63tu2 m550i, the way they feel when moving fast (over 100mph) is so different. I haven't had the opportunity to drive an m5, but I would pick the m550i over the 540i, concerning performance. If I'm after reliability, there's nothing like the B58. Both cars are phenomenal. It's the once choice that's a win win, regardless

Crazy 540

Two less cylinders and still does a good job keeping up that’s pretty impressive. Those M cars are no joke though.

Johhh bro in the 540 needs a wax😂😂

How good would a drone Birds Eye view be for the finishing line

Jesus! Absolutely incredible arm hair on that creature.

Especially with being lighter, either that 540 doesn't have 700hp or that m5 has more than 700hp lol