Awesome video as always!

"It leans into corners like it's running for president and theirs lobbyist money over here" 😂 Love to hear new similes from Matt and Zack when it comes to reviewing cars!

@BenTroxell

9 ай бұрын

@@OneIssueVoter You sound like a miserable human. Get better bro.

@mik3ymomo

9 ай бұрын

@@OneIssueVoterawwww someone was offended… imagine that

@wadeboardman

9 ай бұрын

Loved Zack’s jokes and commentary today! 😂

@eb110americana

9 ай бұрын

*there's

@darkmatter6714

8 ай бұрын

I once read in a British car review, “it corners like a pig on skates and squeals like it knows it’s going to the slaughter”

Harry's garage also made the same observation about the DCT. Keep the DCT in sport auto & it shifts super quick but if you shift it manually its a delayed shift.

@wiegraf9009

9 ай бұрын

That's so strange

@santyclause8034

9 ай бұрын

What's not so great is a blip of the throttle, spotting a traffic light change, decelerating the rpm, and a laggy upshift punches your back into the seat at a couple g's. It's a very intense coupla seconds that requires mopping your brow after.

@grigorioschristodoulou5229

6 ай бұрын

I think the limiter is lower than what’s shown on the display, so you often hit it and then you get a very delayed up shift

Lotus perfected the V-6 sound, handling and steering; if I bought this version, I would always regret not getting the V-6 and a manual.

@nezabytes

6 ай бұрын

You mean Toyota!

@eurly93

2 күн бұрын

@@nezabytes No. Toyota didn't design the exhaust, Lotus did, and they certainly never cared about engine sound when designing the 3.5. Lotus just spent a lot of time making it sound good

Turbo noises are fun but do they beat the V6 howl? Not for most people, probably. This is an interesting alternative powerplant for the Emira and will, no doubt, be a popular choice. But for now I am glad the supercharged V6 with the manual lives on.

@joeracer302

9 ай бұрын

“Will it sound as good as the Camry V6?” is such a wild question to hear asked, but leave it to Lotus to make a Camry V6 sound so badass

@evansc3580

9 ай бұрын

Amin Brother

@bliglum

9 ай бұрын

@@joeracer302 Camry/Lexus V6. It's a damn fine engine! Smooth and powerful! And of course, it would undoubtedly be more reliable than this Merc 4 banger, that's been boosted to within an inch of it's life.

i'd go with the supercharged v6 manual all day every day

@sc705

9 ай бұрын

+100

I have been waiting on this video for a while now. As i am interested in the 2.0 DCT variant as i live in Trinidad (Caribbean)🇹🇹 where we get taxed on the CC of the engine. Very highly, between 50-150% the price of the car

@meenboli

9 ай бұрын

How much?????? almost the price of the car again? How does anybody buy one??

@sebastianconstantin5176

Ай бұрын

thats some crazy sh it. like really crazy. in my country for the 3.6 engine we pay like 1800 usd every year tax, while the 2.0 is like 50 usd per year :)))) it makes no sense. it should be like double the engine, double the tax. if it was 100 usd for 3.6 engine, my god, everybody would have engine over 3000 cc :)))) but what u saying, i dunno how to call it. i think robery its in my country. in your country....

The potential good news is that resolving all the transmission issues will probably be just a future software update or aftermarket tune away...as is even more power

@zackklapman3569

9 ай бұрын

I'm sure there's an Emira S in the future.

@hmmboost

9 ай бұрын

Yeah and they have at least 2 years to resolve it, given current order fulfillment lol. I cancelled my order when they pushed it out another year and raised the price $15k.

I'd still have the manual V6, but the 4 makes an excellent alternative if you don't like a stick 🤩

@looped7979

9 ай бұрын

JUBU makes dct7 gearboxes for exige and evora models

@JD-eo7dr

9 ай бұрын

You can get the V6 with a Auto aswel

@NicholasNormile

8 ай бұрын

@@JD-eo7dr just because you can doesn't mean you should.

@Max-fe3cp

3 ай бұрын

@@JD-eo7dris the v6 auto faster than the i4?

I agree, v6 model is the way to go. More raw experience, reliable motor and fun with the manual

@Beer_Dad1975

9 ай бұрын

Also less likely to start leaving a puddle of oil under the car after a couple of years ownership, like most German engines do.

@jaioncebollero1168

9 ай бұрын

⁠@@Beer_Dad1975he literally said reliability already wtf… 2:01

@rollinthunder8671

9 ай бұрын

​@@jaioncebollero1168buy one

I saw Harry's Garage review right before this one and it is interesting how you point out so many of the same things. It shows the knowledge and quality of both your reviews.

@Jay-xr3sb

9 ай бұрын

Think we all knew the center of gravity would be lower, higher sense of speed with a torque dump but turbo lag and finding the would be a bit of work vs NA. It's also too expensive, a 1 year old v6 is nuch cheaper and basically unused by flippers caught out. Cayman doesn't look as good but is the better car.

Was curious about how the DCT is going to perform in the Emira since they announced it. It’s too bad it’s laggy and won’t give gears when it should, would absolutely be a deal breaker for me on the auto if I was waiting for one.

@TranceFur

9 ай бұрын

It is a shame, especially since that transmission is pretty snappy in Mercedes’ own vehicles.

@joshuasterling2144

9 ай бұрын

The auto is actually snappy, so there is a lag in the input when to shift or a delay in the input. Should be very fixable.

@notrixamoris3318

9 ай бұрын

It is a laggy turbo its by design but I do wish it has a PDK like shifter...

@coreyw427

9 ай бұрын

@@TranceFurIs it? I thought it was quite slow in the A45 S and was hoping it would be good in this car 😢

@NicholasNormile

8 ай бұрын

I've extensively driven a CLA45 AMG which has the same engine and transmission. Engine was pretty wild and definitely has to be driven hard to be enjoyed, so I think it would fit well in a more pure sports car like this. However the DCT was disappointing. To be fair, I prefer real manuals, but I went in with an open mind. It was a bit herky jerky at parking lot speeds and there were some occasional rough shifts, which were mild annoyances that I could deal with, but the gearing was terrible. 1st, 2nd, and 3rd were ridiculously short, meanwhile 6th, 7th, and 8th were stupidly tall. 8th was essentially unusable for cruising below about 95 mph, 7th was just barely usable at interstate speeds but you had to drop down to 5th or maybe 6th to pass anyone (even on the interstate) or even make it up a minor hill. In full auto mode it wouldn't downshift aggressively enough which made the car feel absolutely lethargic, and sport mode was too far on the other end of the spectrum in that it wouldn't upshift enough which was obnoxiously loud. Full manual mode was really the only effective way to cruise around comfortably while also being able to drop a couple of gears when you needed more power, but it felt like Mercedes was trying to make it feel like a highly strung pocket rocket and a relaxed cruiser at the same time, and the end result missed both targets. I suspect the same mostly holds true with the Emira as well. V6/6MT is the no-brainer configuration.

Love the Loti & damn glad they're still around. Thanks for the vid!

@18:59 I wasn't sure at first. But this car is a looker. Especially this 3/4 angle 😘

This is such a fun video! keep up the great work fellas! love the podcast and the videos a lot!

It sounds dreadful. I’m assuming that’s fake noise being pumped into the car? Sounds like something off of gran turismo

Excellent as always. Thanks guys.

Out of the park y'all!🏁🍾🙌 & great ad content!

Very informative, guess the only review that has mentioned the different in steering feel! Kudos for that! For me personally, if i would be in the market for a sports car, it would be a turn off to have a less communicative steering of the 4 cylinder vs its bigger brother (V6), having in mind that this is the main differentiation for Lotus vs rest of its competitors: HPS

@Gmoneyluv4u

9 ай бұрын

Everyday Driver made a quite good case about the Emirs go check it...

Love the channel! Cant believe you were at Hethel. Literally 10 mins from me. Would love to have met you guys! 😦 Great as usual 😀👍

Thanks for the information!!!

A comment on editing. When the two of you appear in the same video/review I always find it somewhat jarring when Zach appears seven minutes into the video. I feel having Zach include some VO of his own, along with Matt's, would be helpful. I understand this format is more labor intensive but I for one really appreciate and enjoy it. Keep up the good work!

@TheSmokingTire

9 ай бұрын

we try to do this, but in this case, zack got sick and lost his voice (hence the zoom podcasts for 2 weeks) so matt did all the VO on this one.

@TheSmokingTire

9 ай бұрын

Normally we do that but I (Zack) was sick when Matt recorded all this VO. My voice was broken so this was what we had to do. But we appreciate the feedback! - ZK

@bobroberts4934

9 ай бұрын

Totally get it, honestly you sounded like you were hurting. Hope you're feeling better! I really enjoy your work as a co-host!

Great review guys, as always the best! I too would have the V6 manual

They should’ve left the horsepower at 415bhp especially for 77-80k car. First edition will be going for over $100k for a 4 CYL what are they smoking over there at lotus headquarters.

@tallguysix8

9 ай бұрын

Just needs a tune to be well over 400hp

@TheHesK9

9 ай бұрын

Mercedes probably didn't let them

@720sobsessed6

9 ай бұрын

It's 97k base now for a v6 unfortunately

@jareknowak8712

9 ай бұрын

Its not the engine from AMG 35?

@TheHesK9

9 ай бұрын

@jareknowak8712 not AMG 35. It's the engine from the AMG 45. M139 engine

One of your best reviews ever, and the best review of this car, at least IMO, even though you didn't go on the public roads.

Using Toyota's engines was a win/win partnership. In return, Lotus tuned the handling of many of Toyota's sports cars.

@computerhelpcc

9 ай бұрын

Which T cars?

@WSKRBSCT

9 ай бұрын

The only things in my Elise that let me down were the engine (broken rocker arm - there were many of these in early cars) and transmission (bad 2nd-gear synchro); both Toyota-sourced.

@phantommedia9964

9 ай бұрын

@@WSKRBSCT broken rocker arm is a common issue in those toyota engines I believe

@WSKRBSCT

9 ай бұрын

@@phantommedia9964 It definitely is. I suspect that's part of the reason firms like MonkeyWrench Racing have OEMs and other options. I knew multiple guys who had it happen and every rocker arm looked the exact same and, IIRC, they typically broke on the same cylinder, too. Lotus kept moving goalposts not to cover it, so I got rid of it instead of getting legal or taking a $5K loss on a car that was going to be out of warranty in a few months. The problem seemed to have gone away, which says to me they probably changed their tune. I could be wrong, though.

@JD-eo7dr

9 ай бұрын

​@@WSKRBSCTearly Elise's had the rover 1.8 k series engines the Toyota ones didn't come till half way through the S2 production run

Great video guys...lovely car.

Sounds really good for a 4 cylinder. I'd have to go for the 6 also though. Good review boys!

@joetacchino4470

9 ай бұрын

I bet it’s all fake engine noise. Certainly sounds like it.

@hmmboost

9 ай бұрын

It sounds like a dying whale.

@theunknown302

9 ай бұрын

@@hmmboost lots of fun turbo noises inside...doesn't sound great from the outside though

@bliglum

9 ай бұрын

Sounds like a typical four banger to me.

@R03333

9 ай бұрын

@@joetacchino4470 Why does it make such a sad noise if its fake thats my question

Both are excellent power plants/drivetrains for the Emira and will serve their respective markets well. I would love a go in both!

I know they gotta get paid, but a 3-minute long single ad read is rough.

Not quite right over the engines as the original Exige used a K series rover engine then the supercharged 4 cylinder Toyota power plant in the S2 but the series 3 Exige pictured in the intro also used the Toyota V6.

Thanks for the review. Been waiting for hands on on the i4 and I just placed a deposit on one a week ago. Simply because it has less lead time (6-8 months) in the US. Not worried about the DCT delay as I have no plan to take it to the track and I assume there will be software update between now and delivery if there's any major issues. I'll buy/place an order on a V6 before they close down the production line on the Emira just to have one in my collection.

Crazy thing is a 4 banger with a manual might have been a lot of fun. They missed the mark on this one.

Zack thanks for talking about the difference in steering feel.

Good review guys!!! And as you, I'll take the V6 and manual gearbox and the hydraulic steering EVERY day! No computer and mercedes crap for me, thanks. So are most other people saying. Ditch the i4 autobox car, and get he manual (V6). Everyone knows that Mercedes and AMG doesn't make handling card. They are about big horsepower, brutish inside and outside. Fair enough. But forget that. Go fast around a track or b-roads in a proper sportscar - a Lotus. Thanks for sharing. Kind regards.

That's a great sounding 4cylinder

As a huge lotus fanboy (owned 7 S2 eliges) the emira (and especially this 2.0T DCT) interests me so much more than any of the evora sub models. If any lotus guys know, aftermarket on those Toyota engines truthfully sucks , and making more power is a pain (or insanely overpriced because lotus market) The 2.0 amg motor at least gives me hope that it’ll probably be insanely easy to eventually throw a downpipe/tune/dct tune and make 400whp~ reliably (as the motor has proven in other platforms) and with the combination of the DCT is truly amazing to keep up with the modern market of cars. I’d like to add I didn’t believe in sophisticated cars for a while until I got my F80 M3 and the customization and how amazing the DCT is really always had me thinking what it would be like to drive a lotus chassis with something that shifts that easily/maintains low end power band torque

Don’t know much about the suspension but that Toyota engine is definitely reliable I have 16yro tundra that doesn’t burn a drop of oil with 134k miles on it

@1183newman

9 ай бұрын

Only negative to the toyota v6 in the emira/evora is to change clutch its an engine out job.

@AidanRitchie

9 ай бұрын

tundra has a totally different motor than this 3.5

Matt's looking svelte, good work my man

I hate to sound bitter, but the sound didn't come up. When the 718 came out folks couldn't shut up about the sound. :/

In a lot of countries, any car with an engine bigger than 2999cc goes into a higher tax bracket. So this car makes a lot of sense. They will probably sell more of these than the 3.5 superchargerd V6 models.

@electrikoptik

9 ай бұрын

The cost to maintain the AMG engine will negate the savings above the Toyota V6 engine.

Forget the four-banger, even though I have a CLA 35 and LOVE its sound, if I'm dropping $100K on this I want MANUAL ONLY!

Good looking car. Nice proportions!

@steveguzman6141

9 ай бұрын

Front is great back looks like doodoo imo

I don't mind light steering if it retains it's "feel." Kudos to them for maintaining the hydraulic rack! 👍

"They (Porsche) don't want you to wish." That's a Zach goof that got me good. Like it was off the cuff. I really enjoyed this one! Great production and super balanced review. Genuinely excited about both models of this platform.

The laggy problem with the DCT is also present on the A45 AMG. It is improved. I'll buy it used, mainly because for 3-4 track-days a year I do I prefer not being able to money-shift...

Proud to have M139 AMG 387 PS in my 2023 GLA 45. What a machine. Swiss army knife of an "SUV".

you guys are back in the saddle with great reviews

Not a world in which I'd take this over the lovely Toyota V-6 with manual. But also not a world in which I could swallow ~$100k starting for the car, and I'm legitimately in the market. Unfortunately, I do understand the challenge of their economies, so I don't think they're being greedy.

That thing sounds wicked!

Is there some sound tube/speaker action going on, or does that 4 cylinder just sound that bad? That alone would push me to get the v6.

This gives me mini-MC20 vibes

@jareknowak8712

9 ай бұрын

Definitely MC20 vibes here.

@VarioFelce

9 ай бұрын

@@jareknowak8712 especially with the peaky turbo engine

The Exige also used the 3.5 V6, in case you forgot that...

@nitrostackr

9 ай бұрын

The US never got that version

Interesting thought experiment. would the G16E-GTS from the GR Corolla paired with 6MT have a place in the line up at all?

@bhyphen8234

9 ай бұрын

That would be a rad combo. Though 😅I bet toyota isn't letting anyone have a go with their new hot shot engine just yet. Maybe in some years down the road.

I really want a Lotus Evora or Emira someday...most are beyond my budget even onvthd used market unless you wantvthe ones from early teens

Looking amazing 🥂👏🍾👏👏

i imagine you can take the i4 to renntech or any reputable tuner and make big safe power from the restrictions lotus puts onto their car to make it "inferior" to the v6. the lack of a manual transmission is sad but cars are fun as long as youre driving them, regardless of any differences they may have

This thing might make some sense if the base price was $69,999. At $100k, they are out of their minds.

@piggeneral1275

9 ай бұрын

Lotus out here helping people realize the 4 banger Caymans are actually kind of a bargain.

@beerwolf2836

9 ай бұрын

Really? I own both - a V6 Emira, and my Porsche cost the same when ticking the essential option boxes. Both are 115k US$ equivalent in Switzerland. There is no such thing as a base price Porsche

@Ficon

9 ай бұрын

Cayman T is $30k less for the same performance (Cayman S is not the right comparison as it’s substantially faster). Any options would be cosmetic.

@lorisherman-lh9gq

9 ай бұрын

And in a few yrs the Lotus is worth how much vs the Porsche ? Love ‘em both but we all know the answer.

@Ficon

9 ай бұрын

@@lorisherman-lh9gq Do we know the answer? All I can find is 2k-mile Evoras and 45k-mile Caymans of the same vintage. Not to mention running costs - my Lotus dealer sells Ferrari and the closest indy is 8 hours away in another state.

Can't wait to tune one of these bad boys, that engine should easily make 500+ wheel

How cool to get to tour Hethel, especially at the end of the ICE-era of production. (At least the alleged end, lets hope that changes)

assuming this doesn't have the MGUH hardware from the A45 and the '24 C63. Seems the boost profile is modelled after the Turbo Esprit?! I'm thinking the slow shifts at higher revs are blunted by the rev hanging, necessary to get the emission compliance on overrun.

Two monster videos back to back. What a weeek!

Which original alarm system does have he i4?

I wonder if the shifting can be fixed with aftermarket tuning.

A tune on this car is going to be EPIC. My Mercedes E400 got a Eurocharge tune and it is now a beast hanging with M4 and C63s

@EmekaIheanacho

6 ай бұрын

How much you pushing

Everyone else is saying it's 12kg lighter than the V6, not 30kg. Either way, it's not remotely significant. It's a horrid sounding engine and assuming the power delivery is like it is in the AMG A45, that's fairly shite, too.

*if you can't swing for the 6 cyl, personally I'd swing for a 981 Cayman GTS instead of this, nor the A110 nor 718 Cayman 4 cyl, because** 1) it sounds better. Like a LOT LOT LOT better than all 3 of these (Franky all 3 of them don't sound all that nice) 2) its design isn't outdated at all. Common folks would be hard pressed to tell differences in age across these cars 3) also a great handler, not inferior to any of these especially at the GTS package and even more especially with SPASM (x73) but does dimish comfort with that option. 4) it's $80-85k USD in price which idk if that's higher or lower than the other three but I'd assume to be around $5k-$10k gap down or up MAX in your region 5) it's not slow. 4.4 sec with PDK according to Porsche and likely even faster IRL. Plus do we really care about speed THAT much in a straight?

Does anybody know what supercharger they use for the v6 Toyota engine?

Zack's president and lobbyist money quip was gold!

Why wouldnt they pay that much when they did for the Evora. I just drove the prototype and it was incredible. Reminded me of the Esprit and Evora. It is worth every penny.

@cbotten106

24 күн бұрын

Because the were "promised" a lower starting price. That would be my guess.

Matt you're looking practically svelt. Congrats my guy!

Anybody know the brand and model of the helmets they're using? I'm in the market for a new one, cause mine is comically large.

Dear people who always have to tell us what L.O.T.U.S stands for: thank you in advance for your very funny joke. We have all heard it 10k times, but it’s very funny and we are very impressed by how clever you are. Sincerely, the car enthusiast community

@AndreKlebleyev

9 ай бұрын

This

@jareknowak8712

9 ай бұрын

L.O.T.U.S. = Fix It Again Tony :)

@GTC4cam

9 ай бұрын

Fu#*er Only Runs Downhill

Looking forward to the MPG testing of the Turbo4 version, maybe in a few years it will replace my ND. the 718 Cayman is so common and meh.

Wish it was manual steering, but that's an Elise, as an Elise would have handled that 16:25 more progressively and communicatively. I think this is like an ultra-touring Elise in essence. There was never a "too much" on an S2.

@TheSmokingTire

9 ай бұрын

Manual steering and paddle shifters is a bad combination. Didn't work on the Alfa 4C, wouldn't work here.

Even though the Supra 3.0 AT and Emira DCT are in different price brackets, I'm curious which transmission and/or engine/transmission combination works better between the two.

@bman1668

5 ай бұрын

Probably similar performance

If I ever get a Lotus, more likely than not it will be a manual. Especially those with the open linkage thingy, that has to sound amazing at every shift. And for a DCT that shifts like a regular auto, better get the manual for engagement... But overall it seems like Lotus did nail as much as they could this package! That sounds amazing and I'm sure the DCT will open up a whole bunch of opportunities for countries where manual shift is not as widely used or where they are taxed on displacement =)

Earlier Lotus cars used modified Ford 4 cyl engines.

718 Cayman S with PDK is 4.4 0-60 officially. The two cars from a power perspective are almost identical. A track test would be VERY telling.

My goodness you guy's videos are on fire right now. Podcast is always superb, But your videos deserve all the views. Beautifully done and wonderfully presented. A class act boys 👏🏻

Thank you Zack Presidents and Lobbyists Move over JC. Great writer approaching

I’ll stick with my C8 Z51, but a manual Emira with the V6 is very nice

@craigthescott5074

9 ай бұрын

I would agree C8 is superior.

man the slow laggy shifts are disappointing. I know early gla45 models had a similar problem, I was hoping they would have fixed that by now

Hopefully if you can tune the “laggy-ness” out of the transmission with the aftermarket support this car is going to be a STUD in the used market. The tuning potential of that engine? Shoot. Nutty

Matt knew people looking at a $100k 4 banger might need an extra long segment on mental health

People arent gonna pay that much for a 4 cylinder plain and simple, i'd be shocked if they sell more than 100 a year

Will Lotus stick to their commitment to all electric going forward or will they change their mind?

@rescyn1190

9 ай бұрын

Depends on EU regs. Gordon Murray did a vid a while ago talking about the engine in the T50 saying they expected it to be the last... but there may now be certain exclusions (probably related to volume). No firm details that I've heard since then.

@TheHesK9

9 ай бұрын

They have too atm

Good video. 6 for me.

Beauty of the DCT is, it can be tuned for lightning fast response.

Seems like a nice alternative. But I'd take the V6 MT. Better sound, more driver engagement. And in the long term, it will undoubtedly give the owner FAR fewer problems.

100k.. pass.

This may well be quicker on a track, and easier to drive as a daily too, but id still have the V6 manual .

How a manufacturer like Lotus (with such high expectations about his new cars) can release a car with such an issue with the transmission? something that EVERYBODY notices immediately when driving the car....unbelievable.

My issue with the 4 banger AMG is that's not exactly cheap to upgrade, or maintain. The V6 toyota you can get off the shelf parts for. Plus the V6 has been around for so long that the performance market for it is a lot more saturated. It's cheaper to upgrade for big numbers. Smaller pulley, exhaust and tune for 500 HP isn't going to break the bank. While the AMG will run you $8000+ for a turbo upgrade, $2000 for an ECU, and you might see 450-460 HP. And there's no denying that the V6 just sounds better.

Amazing how changing the engine changes the character.

Love you Zack

I love telling people that my 2013 Toyota Highlander has the same engine as a Lotus

@bman1668

5 ай бұрын

You mean lotus has same engine? Your Toyota doesn’t have lotus engine lol 😂 it’s lotus that has your Toyota engine

I think the most important difference is the SOUND.

One thing thats not talked about is how tuneable the 2.0L will be

@ThatRosco458

9 ай бұрын

A lot of customers don't want to tune because of time, money, and reliability

@jareknowak8712

9 ай бұрын

On the 3.5 you also need only different compresor pulley.

@FZ6Lucas

9 ай бұрын

An A45S makes 475hp and 460tq on a stage 1 reflash. That would move this car pretty good.

@beerwolf2836

9 ай бұрын

With a mid-engine layout, heat dissipation is a critical issue with a tuned i4

@Birmingham_racing

9 ай бұрын

They will probably release faster versions later

Watching in full cause I need these guys to get paid