This reminds of the mindset we had when synths started using samples. We would spend hours comparing sounds to see how real they were. If banging on a key was exactly the same as banging on a real instrument. Some guy bought a drum module because it used multi-samples at different velocity levels. I then realized we stopped making music. No body listening could tell one sound from another especially if it was buried in the mix. We learned that when the new thing landed, we would do this dance again. The original Ampero sounds great. Most agreed until the NEW Ampero came out. Inside the box is a DSP and computer chips. All modellers use the same method only the programing is different. Every parameter is just a 'tone' control. A new control is just a short cut or routine in a program. I just make music now and hopefully it sounds good. Ask anyone in the audience what amp is being played and is it real. No body cares. I enjoy your reviews and I am not knocking you. We are just spoiled for choice now.

@Obssy

7 ай бұрын

Man, you nailed it with this comment. They both sound good. The people in the crowd don't care if something else is 10% better, but they do know a good song from a bad one. Let's make some great music and stop chasing tones.

Hey! Im the guy who asked for this vid! Thanks a lot man! \m/

I actually like the stock emulation better on the old unit in the mix, but the newer one sounds better solo with built in, and the newer unit also sounds better with a cab or IR's.

@TheSason666

2 жыл бұрын

The new has fresh powerful ADSP-21573 chip !!!

I went for the Ampero One simply because it has a 100 second looper and 100 drum patterns which I need to jam on my own at home.

Lucky to pick up the Ampero || recently, I think the high gain sounds on par if not better than the Neural DSP plugins i have. Really happy with it.

@metaldreams3595

2 жыл бұрын

Cool. In the video they sounded similar, the high gain. Thinking about going with the OG. Its pretty cheap. WHat do you think?

@TheSason666

2 жыл бұрын

No wonder probably because of a newest ADSP-21573 usage in it !!!

@alvarg

Жыл бұрын

@@TheSason666 Man you really have a hard on for that ADSP-21573

@IridiumZero

Жыл бұрын

I don't think any of the Neural DSP plugins sound very good. Is the Ampero 2 not substantially better?

Thanks for translating your videos into Spanish! Your channel is excellent. I am always attentive to your videos. The fact that it is translated gives you a greater reach to the world public. Greetings!

@TaylorDanley

Жыл бұрын

I didn't. But that's cool that KZread must have done it for me! Muy Bien! 🥳

@yhoffreyrojas4102

Жыл бұрын

@@TaylorDanley Ok, it's great to be able to fully understand what your content says. I'm sure that many of us who follow you here in Latin America will greatly appreciate it, brother! Greetings from Venezuela

On the first pass, the OG sounded better to my ear. Then I adjusted my system's EQ and after making it flat, same thing! There's that tiny bit of harshness up there at the top but it can be tamed real world, I don't know, OG wins for me

The best battle of 2021 !!!

I prefer the Ampero 1 for stock cabinet emulation but they both sound good through the same IR in my opinion. Very interesting video overall 🤘🏾💯

@alvarg

Жыл бұрын

I disagree stock cabs on ampero 1 sound weird nothing like a real cab or mixed up cab imo

@macbeth642

Жыл бұрын

Nah , as someone whos had both, the celestion high quality IR'S make the newer one sound much more realistic.

I had a stomp ii for a few weeks. I didn’t see much master volume effect. Best way to test would be to fully crank it. Should flub out for sure with high gain preamp focused models and it really didn’t. Not a bad modeler at all for tone but accuracy of controls and range of tones achievable with a particular amp model was not realistic enough (ie on some modelers you could get a crunch lower gain tone from a recto modern model but here it was just classic recto roar). For the price though it rocks. Love your channel btw!

@TaylorDanley

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@Zordid0

2 жыл бұрын

Even de POD HD kind of did this.

@hb8482

2 жыл бұрын

@@Zordid0 true. And helix definitely nails this nuance as do many of the other higher end modelers. On the flip side it does sound pretty good but you just need to dial it in differently and shouldn’t expect the hyperrealistic experience that you can obtain with fractal, neural, or line 6.

Love the video shoot out, man! Thanks! 🤘🏽

Really great pedal for practice. I love the ad/da converters on the aux in. I plugged in tidal and it is great to be able to jam with really good quality music. Most aux in modellers destroy the sound. That one does not.

There definitely is some sort of change in the amp voice but I think for home use my trusty Ampero One still rocks

@TaylorDanley

2 жыл бұрын

🤘

@arielcrdz

2 жыл бұрын

Only for home use? I think it would sound great on a live show too.

@TheSason666

2 жыл бұрын

Still is the main word here...

this two sounds diffrence but they sounds good in a diffrence flavour.

The biggest difference to me is the ability to use longer irs, which to means a whole different type of feeling and clearer low end sound. Sadly right now the reverbs, many other effects and the longer ir take up tons of cpu, which will be fixed a bit in the next update. They released an unfinished product imo.

@TaylorDanley

2 жыл бұрын

That's a good point, I'll cover that more when I review it.

@BigMetalDaddy1301

2 жыл бұрын

@@TaylorDanley they will release the next update in the end of the month, at least their staff told me so.

@BigMetalDaddy1301

2 жыл бұрын

Still no update. Also i sold my ampero 2 stomp, because they are unreliable and slow.

@TheSason666

2 жыл бұрын

Of course new powerful ADSP-21573 plus ESS Sabre chips allow that all !!!

@TheSason666

2 жыл бұрын

@@BigMetalDaddy1301 Are you waiting for their next model? They just can't go over today's DSP and other chips manufacturers... They just have to follow progress of chipmakers.

I have the impression that the difference is mainly in the band (ampero has a cut off midrange), but I think it can be set to sound almost the same as ampero 2

I have to go with the ampero one! Sounds indepth fuller the ampero 2 sounds way more compressed & choked! 🤘🏻🎅🤘🏻

@TheSason666

2 жыл бұрын

But newer model has its newer and more powerful ADSP-21573 !!! Plus ESS Sabre converters. That's the obvious way of progressing!!!

Bro. I don't know if I'm crazy or something, but I heard weird frequencies or noises when you were showing both modelers "in the mix". But over all, awesome. I will continue with my Ampero OG, maybe a Headrush MX5 could be a possibility for me.

@Tecom38415

2 жыл бұрын

Playing with the stomp live is an absolute bitch literally I had to lower the gain on the mixer to 20% that’s how bad the high again models are with Feedback

Bro your channel is fantastic ! Keep going with the great work, you have such a simple and nice way to explain and show the gear and test, we can feel its simple, direct and nice! I love it brother ! keep ruling ! cheers \o

Well, I don't know if it's more "smooth", but it is for sure way different...

The new one sounds better. There's a 2D feel to the old sounds (which are still very good).

@TheSason666

2 жыл бұрын

Of course! No wonder! Because new model utilizes one powerful ADSP-21573 chip with two DSP cores plus one ARM core inside from Analog Devices circa 2018-2020.

The Ampero II really punches way above its price in my opinion. But the original is not bad either with a good IR.

@TaylorDanley

2 жыл бұрын

I agree to both things!

6:10.... Huh, I guess I like it rough.

I have a question. Is it possible to blend two IRs in the ampero 2?

What amp modeler peddel would you recommend for a beginner, I've played for a while, just new to amp modelers. I like the idea of replacing my rig "peddel board and all" with the single peddel. I was looking at the headrush prime and really liked it, but it was a little intimidating. I like what you're playing in the video, too. For reference I play in a punk/thrash band, but I've been taking jazz lessons to expand my technique. I'd like a one size fits all peddel. Thanks for your time.

When reading about their mix of black and white box modelling it actually did sound like they count the IR convolution as "black box modeling" and the amp modeling as white box modeling. So not really that different to anything else

Does "new" mean "better"? Well, I suppose sometimes it does, and sometimes it doesn't...I think it's a matter of trying the "new" thing within the application or musical situation you're wanting to use it in...for sure, though, "new" will more than likely mean "different"...if you are moving from something you've used for years, and then try something "new" in it's place. Now in regard to using a "new" processor in a cover band application, and you are shooting for the songs you are playing to sound as close as possible to the original tracks you are attempting to cover, I would think that a lot of the newer products out there now, like Ampero products, or Headrush products, or others that I don't even know about, I would think what we have at our disposal will get you where you are shooting for way easier, with a whole lot less tweaking to have to do to find "that sound"...and both may work well within a particular application, but one may be a better fit than the other, depending on the situation...which makes me wish there was such a thing as "the Demo Store" where you could go in and rent a couple of prospective units you are interested in, so you could take them home and try them both in a band practice setting to see which fits your needs better...or even "The Demo Club" which would be like a guitar player membership club that gets in the latest processors to check out...pay the yearly fee, and it's like a pedal library, where you can go in and check out gear like checking out a book, hahaha!... haven't watched the video yet...on to watching, and thanks for taking the time to do the video...hope you and yours are doing great!

16 k..hell yeah..🤜🤛..sounds the same to me..killer riff bro

@TaylorDanley

2 жыл бұрын

🥳

AMPERO II has ADSP-21573 powerful DSP inside !!! Tony McKenzie showed inside of it here for us!!!

I definitely dig your writing/compositions overall, but with my own playing am definitely more into the obnoxiously technical riffing, like Soreption or something….BUT for real pard, you’re literally the only tuber that’s reviewing modelers, sims, VSTs, etc that doesn’t skimp on the gain. Seriously. Just about every other gear reviewer that’s playing some type of metal is heavily influenced by the absurdly dry, mid-boosted, almost choked off guitar tones popularized by Periphery….which just doesn’t help me at all in getting a feel for how these digital amps sound for death metal. It’s incredibly helpful to hear these modelers in this kind of death metal/blackened death/deathcore kind context dude….pre-emptively to all the genre police, go take care of your wife or something…it’s a way to convey information, that’s all. Anyways, it feels like No one else is really reviewing profilers/modelers/software with these type of tones. Ola is I suppose, but I don’t really like how he dials his tones in…it’s definitely not thick death metal. Your tones are way more what I’m into…saturated, thick, sometimes a tad scooped and almost out of control. No idea why I went off like this…KZread comments are just fools shouting into the fuckin’ void…but a thanks felt necessary.

@TaylorDanley

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks a ton for the comment! I used to try and tone down a little because I thought "this is what people want" and then at some point I realized that I just wanted to be myself and play extreme music and not tone it down for anyone 😂 I'm really glad that there is a group of people out there that appreciate my channel for doing that.

new one sounds better for sure

@metaldreams3595

2 жыл бұрын

you thought so huh? Your hearingh must be a lot better than mnine, I thought they sounded very similar. I mean, I did hear a difference btu wasnt sure which was better if either. Was almost like the differnce wasnt tone

Yes it is

You said you gigged with the original Ampero into a solid state amp. I do the same with Amplitube. My question is do you run it through the front end of the s.s. amp or through the effects loop?

@alessiogagliardi4436

2 жыл бұрын

He's using a power amp. A seymour duncan power stage 700 precisely.

@jreagle58

2 жыл бұрын

@@alessiogagliardi4436 I ask because I use a Crate PowerBlock solid state power amp head. I always went through the effects loop because I read going through the front would color the tone. Now that I'm shopping for a multi-effects pedal I still have the same question; run it through the front or back? FWIW I see many claiming to go through the front but I'm not sure if that's attributable to being uninformed or or just plain works.

@jreagle58

2 жыл бұрын

@@alessiogagliardi4436 Btw, the setup on the SD Powerstage 700 is not much different than my Crate CPB 150 Power Block. The Crate has a gain control. The SD does not.

@mightyjb5261

2 жыл бұрын

It looks like the Seymour Duncan power stage 700 doesn't have an effects loop - which I wouldn't expect for a straight up power amp (clean amplification) anyway.

@TaylorDanley

2 жыл бұрын

The solid state amp is only a power amp, so there's no loop to run it through, it just goes straight in to the input. But if I was using an amplifier, solid state or not, I'd use the effects return to bypass the amplifiers preamp.

Hey! Great video. I dont know if you already did, but could you make a video showing the Ampero 2 stomp's polyphonic pitch shifter? From what ive heard better than the OG's pitch shifter

@johnong2655

2 жыл бұрын

It's definitely better, just that you can't do drop tuning. It sounds bad when going full wet. At 50/50 dry wet mix it sounds perfect

@gustavomazonave8536

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnong2655 Thanks!

@johnong2655

2 жыл бұрын

@@gustavomazonave8536 To give an idea how it sounds, there's a factory patch that sounds like a realistic jazz synth solo by layering 3 pitch shift effects. It's something like Cory Henry's tone. You can also get polyphia's OD intro tone or Miyavi's No Sleep to Tokyo subtle octave. However, if you're looking into accurate drop tunning or nice wet octave bass, better go for HX stomp.

Does it have an on-screen editor for a PC like most multi-effect pedals? I hate using the pedal itself to edit.

hi, do make some Impulse response from this test?

can I connect the ampero stomp via 4 cables?

I prefer Ampero One.

Very cool indeed...

Cześć masz zajebistą koszulkę, gdzie mógłbym taką koszulkę kupić?

Wow, is it just me, or when you do the shoot out mixes, the original model is winning every time? Do you think it's just because you're more used to being able to tweak the original model because you've had it longer, and know it better? Going to check the comments to see if I'm the only one...and I'm not a metal player, either, but do like a good dose of metal...

Hi, nice video... I see a lot of people cranking the phisical master volume pot on most of the amp modeller, what do you suggest about that? How this master volume interacts with the sound? Thanx

@BigMetalDaddy1301

2 жыл бұрын

The physical master volume is just the level of volume going out of the unit - no change of tone. The Master on the amp section is another thing, since it also increases the power amp tube saturation.

@oris81

2 жыл бұрын

@@BigMetalDaddy1301 thanx, I asked that because some people say that going more than 11 o'clock of the master volume on the MOOER PREAMP LIVE do degradate the sound and the best is from 9 o'clock to 11 o'clock.. I did a live show 10 days ago with the preamp live direct to PA with 50% of master volume cranked and it sounded great...so I wonder why some people continue to say that it ruins the sound. Most of the people using quad cortex, helix, ampero use the master volume at maximum

@BigMetalDaddy1301

2 жыл бұрын

@@oris81 as far as i know, the mooer preamp live also has a volume and a master knob, which should be identical to what i said above. (i really liked the preamp live, really great sounds!)

@oris81

2 жыл бұрын

@@BigMetalDaddy1301 Yes, I love it both for its amps and by the face that I put my Triaxis, Valvestate 8100 and Kraken on it by the tone capture

@BigMetalDaddy1301

2 жыл бұрын

@@oris81 great amp taste!

OG AMOERO sounds better to my ears has more bite and clarety

How is the guitar called

@migueltay2803

2 жыл бұрын

Jackson Kelly

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